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PJusa
post Jul 14 2014, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 14 2014, 09:42 PM)
Not really, the TNB newer digital meter run faster by 25% compare to old school meter.
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where did you get that info from? if the meter runs properly the reading will be (+-) the same.
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post Jul 15 2014, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 15 2014, 03:29 AM)
Off everything and only run air cond or washing machine, taking efficiency at 75%.
If the equipment to be test is 1000W(per hour), running it for 1 hour should be using less than 1 unit. But it moves 1 unit before 1 hour.
Not to mention people that complaint on this. Come out in most chinese paper every now and then.
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just by beeing in the newspaper doesnt make it true - more likely previous meter was undercounting.

your test also doesnt work that well if you dont ensure 100% load. if there would be an overcount of 25% surely you can a) get a new meter, b) get a refund from tnb. there is a margin of error in those things but it will be more like +- 1 or 2% - not 25%.
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post Jul 18 2014, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 17 2014, 11:34 AM)
Well, I like when some jerks like to deny something without doing more research. Tell you what, the English and Malay papers never have a news stating people are complaining about once the meter changed, their bill raise up buy 100-300%. Only Chinese papers has.
So instead of looking at the "rated" spec, I will dig more on typical rated spec at full or low load which is ~50% from it.
Analog meters are using mechanical parts, so wear and tear is there. Still it won't cause a huge spike when changing to new meter. Have to know that, no third party independent party to calibrate those digital meters and it is open secret that TNB asked their contractors to make it run faster than normal.
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i am not dignifying the race card game - this is a fav malaysian pasttime and serves no purpose besides dividing ethnical groups so that incompetent and possible c*** politicians can ab*** power. if you play their game, good for them bad for the country.

first of and again for the record. just because something is printed it doesnt become true (thank god). if i think of all the *** published in "newspapers" like berita hariam i am really thankfull for that.

second: if what you say were true then you can easily and successfully sue TNB for meter tempering which is a crime. since its on a large scale its more serious. demand a couple of millions compensation for kicks.

third: measuring power consumption through a meter can be verified. get your meter tested in a lab if you feel like it.

i am sure you will be able to get a credible finding with a definite answer. your tests just dont hold up to a test environment - sorry.
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post Jul 19 2014, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 18 2014, 06:07 PM)
first, everything printed in papers may not be true, but that will be more on political issue. On this, Chinese papers are more fair in some sense.
second, nobody can verify as no third party independent tester can be approved by government.
thirdly, I can use a FLIR camera to measure by comparing temperature between 2 meters. By cut off every electrical appliance and take temperature, the digital meter's incoming wire will still be warmer compare to analog type.
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seriously - if you are so sure about being cheated go ahead and file a claim. and this has *nothing* to do with government. the court will accept and expert witness with credentials. i encourage you to sue tnb if you think they cheat you. get evidence, confront them, demand compensation and rectification and if they dont budge, sue them - easiest is in small claims trial which limits your claim to RM 5000 but you can add side demands (working meter, affirmation of a no future overcharges etc. etc.). the problem i see is that ppl like to complain but they dont act on it. if i were you, i'd be breathing down tnb's neck already. no need to be scared of glc-companies - i personally took three to court before results: two wins, one settlement (which essentially was a win too). and mind you this involved a major local government controlled bank. no need to be afraid to use the tools at hand. but honestly: under normal cicrumstances their meters are spot on - i have my own data to compare to (old/new meter). so i dont see a case but then i havent seen your individual setup.

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post Jul 21 2014, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 19 2014, 05:33 PM)
Well, if there is a lawyer that willing to take this case, I already filed a law suit against them.
Even a lawyer from DAP also said this cannot be a case as there is no government certified third party independent company that can confirm the meter's accuracy. Or you want me to look for an UMNO laywer to sue his boss?
File a law suit is easy, but winning it is another story.
This is just like some people won in Indah Water's case. But did they specify clearly how they won it? Most of the people that won on  such law suit is mainly because their "dirty" water a routed to a tank rather than routed to a Indah Water's facility. And Indah Water are charging normal rate to them. So for such group of people they just only need to provide their floor plan and other legal documents and that's it.
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seriously you are going all wrong. why stroll to a pary lawyer? what for?

you file a small claims suit in your local court, provide evidence and serve a notice, wait for TNB to reply and then continue. you do not need (nor are you allowed) a lawyer in small claims court. max. damage to you is 100 RM court fees.

to win a law suit you need to have evidence and an argument. i told you before that your evidence and arguments are not good. that's your problem. you dont need a government certified blah - an expert testimony and witness statement is good enough (i.e. get someone from the field to check our your situation). if your evidence is good its TNBs job to proof you wrong. going for political parties for support is the wrong way to get anything done. personally i see the quality of the politicians in malaysia and i feel very sad. the incompetency and lack of knowledge in pretty much everything is sad and frightening and it persists across all parties with one no two standing out in this ocean of incompetence. but all that is irrelevant to a court case. try to read up on it instead of ranting around.

all that*s needed is your willingness to act if you feel someone it doing you wrong. small claims court is easy and even a laymen can get through it. the court helps and advises you. trust me if you have a case the court will be in your favour. been there done it. bank went against me with one lawyer, saw i had good arguments beefed up with 3 and in the end 4 lawyers, still they lost on all grounds and had to fullfill all my demands, i only was asked to skip the demand for a public personal apology in a national newspaper. as part of the settlement this was moved to a public apology in the bank's branch in front of all customers that happened to be there. mind you all my contract changes and damages demand had to be met and they paid me my court expenditures too.

so to sum it up: if i had actual evidence (which once again i dont think you have, gather proper evidence first) i would send tnb a warning and then sue them. we actually need more consumers to go and sue irresponsible companies. but only if there is a case.
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post Jul 22 2014, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 21 2014, 10:08 PM)
Well, it is easy for you to say. But again if 100% I can win then only I go for it. Else I won't waste time on it.
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then there is no need to complain.
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post Jul 23 2014, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 22 2014, 11:50 AM)
I never complaint, just to let more people know on TNB's dirty way of making money.
Does verbal statement from a TNB contractor's statement carry any weight? You think of it.
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i am lost - i really dont understand you issue then. nvr mind, i dont think this serves any purpose.

 

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