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post Jul 21 2014, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 20 2014, 03:54 PM)
gift of the Holy Spirit come in many forms, one does not simply be a missionary just because they wanted too, but it's an calling, some has the gift on interpreting the words of God, some has the ability to serve as a musician in the church and international level, this is how your spread the Words of God................i am sure you heard of Hilllsong brand before. They has been in the music gospel industry for more than 10 years spreading the love of God through music also producing many talented international artists. This is the work of Holy Spirit. smile.gif
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your answer both are humbling and inspiring to me. the gift of the Holy Spirit... but i dislike to think of a separate entity to Christ. i'm afraid to claim i have what i don't understand. even to say God is on my side is too boastful for me i think. i need God but God may not need me.

i like the song Jesus take the wheel ~ Carrie Underwood. It has a story that i can really connect based on my own exp.
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post Jul 21 2014, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 20 2014, 03:57 PM)
I have tried different kinds of churches.

1. Since childhood till primary sch.the preach monotonous. The songs are so so.
2. Primary till jc: preach good songs great
3. Jc: preach monoton songs so so but people there are great and friendly
4. Univ: monoton preach good song
5. Working: song boring classic but preach amazing
6. Now: song good preach amazing but I don't hv a friend in my church
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haha same to me. youth like to form group. i oso shy to approach anyone.
sonido
post Jul 21 2014, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 21 2014, 10:12 AM)
Salvation is a gift.

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV) - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

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Notice in Galatians 5:22 as you quoted, the word "fruit"?  Fruit of the Holy Spirit not effort. Fruit in this context means the result of being already Saved not the condition to be saved.
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We are born with the ability to think, to reason, to make decision and to act on that decision. This is what God intended us to do. He expects us to fail and He wants us to cry at Him for help.

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post Jul 22 2014, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 21 2014, 08:47 PM)
God loves you, trust me.

He came to seek those who are lost in their life, including those who are humble enough to admit they need God, this type God really honours.

Read this whole Passage

Romans 5

Peace and Hope

1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we  have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
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The truth is, i did not seek God bcoz i want to be saved. I didnt care about salvation. I didnt care i go to heaven or not. I dont want things that i do not know. But what i know is i need God to help me in my life and i need His protection. And i seek Him for help for things that are beyond my pwer, like the protections to the people i care.

I must admit this is a lifetime journey of discovering God. I know im changing sloely, with my behaviour and personality which i feel very fascinating. Must be God is changing.me. He never fail to amaze.me.
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post Jul 22 2014, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 21 2014, 08:53 PM)
Yeah... but this one is difficult lah... overseas pulak... they have no passport to bring them to malaysia .. (assume we agree to share 50/50 pay for airline & living cost).
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This is why i said i wish.. but i hope prayers from the faihtfuls here can help, prayers from many are very strong more than individual prayer.
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post Jul 22 2014, 02:57 PM

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[quote=de1929,Jul 22 2014, 12:31 PM]
This church in indonesia:
http://www.jkiinjilkerajaan.org/

has sent some intercessor to Syria but not to help those 2 kids, but to bind the strong man and principalities there. When the effects of bindings strong man can be realized on earth (aka revival) dunno... hopefully soon enough...

Quite interesting that those intercessor were so afraid cuz those locals able to identify them as christian, but syrian say "indonesia adalah kawan". Later i know that our races (btw: i am indonesian), my country indonesia and dark skin does not resemble a threat that compared to westerners such as white american / caucasians. So i think malaysian oso can go to syria i think...

c'mon malaysia... malaysia bolehhh... thumbup.gif
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Yeah.. you go hehe.. i ll give my full support from here. Good luck and God bless you.
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post Jul 23 2014, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 23 2014, 09:27 AM)
Salvation isn't just about the future, it's about now itself.

Having Salvation means being reconciled to God.

If only you know what that actually means.  smile.gif 

.....the very thing that you asked for.
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hmmm.. you know im no wizard in word play. you use so many fancy and flowery words. but u know i hv bad habits. i rarely read Bible. i do not make myself involve in chruch activities. i skip mass most of the time. the last time i went about 1 hlf mth ago (my reason for going was to pray for someone) and i can honestly said an amazing miracle happened to me which i can believe it came from God... still i'm as lazy as i was before. i think God adjusts to my requirements by teaching me through my daily experiences rather than forcing me to study His Word. He understand me. but i need to emphasis here i'm NOT promoting my method to any believers, each relationship is unique and personal. we are children of God, we grow in Christ as time passes.
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post Jul 24 2014, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 23 2014, 08:38 PM)
I just feel Holy Spirit led me to write this. Perhaps because you wrote "each relationship is unique and personal"... Try to tell your self / your brain to think about what Jesus wants. In a deeper word, try to get Jesus heartbeat. No, i will not write about city harvest this time smile.gif
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thats too deep man... im a sinner and i just hope i walk the right path with Jesus alongside me. i hope He never abandon me even though i keep sinning.
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post Jul 24 2014, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 23 2014, 08:42 PM)
Actually he's using standard English. Despite being number 1 in Asia, Malaysia's English level is really low.

These are also the terms you'll encounter when you read the Bible. They use the closest translation, so it's not Unknown Warrior's fault that it gets fancy. Theological terms have roots in Greek and Latin words, which is also foreign for most Asians.

What version are you reading? If King James is way too out there, NIV is a good modern alternative.
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i think i use google. it not only points me to KJV but also to articles that explains those passages i remember long time ago. the prblm is, those articles do not agree with each other. so discerning which is correct and which is just empty flowery justifications to support their beliefs is not easy. i trust only God can guide me to the correct one.

the only bible i know i need to avoid is those from JW.

paper bible i long time never touch. too hard to read those small letters...
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post Jul 24 2014, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 24 2014, 12:27 AM)
If you have smartphone you can download the bible app. Then change the version settings to your preferred one.
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thanks. just did the installation. the name of the app is DailyBible. will see if its good enough...
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post Jul 24 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 24 2014, 08:25 AM)
no lahh.. you are a smart *ss one no worries. Just trust me (i mean including my earlier writings)... sorry for b*d words hahaha... see i oso not giving you good example but you know inside i am not trying to bully u rite ?
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hehe now i need to boast a little bit here. today i just remembered a card i received as a gift six years ago, which i always kept in my wallet. on its front and back got passages from the Bible. what it says made me think at that time that God made a promise to me, so decided to always keep it with me...

the front it says,

If the Lord delights in a man's way,
He makes his steps firm;
Though he stumbles, he will not fall,
for the Lord upholds him with His hand.

Psalms 32:23-24

at the back it says,

Where the God guides He provides

When you pass through the waters,
I will be with you...

For I am the Lord your God...

You are precious in my sight...
and I love you.

Isaiah 43:2-4

i feel really good man....
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post Jul 28 2014, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 28 2014, 01:10 AM)
Don't be too hard on yourself, I know God loves you.  smile.gif I don't know how to explain it but I just know it when I see your words.

Even the few Bible verses in the card of your wallet can bring you through many tribulation in life, you can hang on to those verse.

You don't have to force yourself to read the entire Bible.

Just enjoy your life and know that God has taken all your sins and nailed at the cross of Jesus Christ. All you have to do is acknowledge that and your joy will be made complete in Jesus himself.
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Thanks man.. i really appreciate yr kind words. Pls lead this thread. Make it alive and strong. And only i hope we can stop arguing wit the unbelievers. We cannot judge people.
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post Jul 29 2014, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 28 2014, 05:27 PM)
Allow me to kepo2x sikit smile.gif

About arguing wit the unbelievers, you need to show them who is the strongest. The strong one rules. The strong one ruled offer the weaker one, on the positive sides, the strong one offer protection for the weaker ones. The weak will follow the strong ones. That's the nature of human.

Break something if necessary to prove something. This is a deep word, please don't take literally. Literally, bless them. spiritually, bind / break something. actually, Only Jesus Christ knows how to deal with certain things.
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I tend to agree with Sophiera. Chances are they will start mocking God. Which we will be responsible as well, by willing to argue with them in the first place.
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post Jul 29 2014, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 29 2014, 08:16 AM)
if you are not willing to stand for your faith how are you going to defend yourself against the anti Christ at end of days? if not why there are many martyrs from the beginning of Christianity till now? that is because they are standing firm by their faith and willing to sacrifice themself for Christ............

Jesus said before to His disciple when was asked by how can they enter the kingdom of heaven, is to carry His Cross which means share the burden or the Word Of God without fear of death.
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you have a strong zeal in you... but its just temporary feeling. my faith is not about defending God word. i only want to obey God word not defending it. Jesus also did not defend himself.

The cross is not suffering. The cross symbolizes freedom, there is no burden to carry at all, at least for me. Living in Christ does not mean suffering. God is our father who will not want us His children to suffer in our life.
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post Jul 29 2014, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 29 2014, 04:09 PM)
Allow me to reply in two sections:

--- About this: I personally cannot hear God in a literal sense. Does that make me an unbelieving heretic?--

You are not an unbelieveing heretic. You are in a good shape, you inherit salvation and good lahh.... but not best / maximum.

If you cannot hear God, you cannot be maximized in your callings or your live.

God still love you, only you cannot be maximized in everything.

again...again..again sorry to be rude. I hope you understand the depth of the Love that our Christ wants to reveal, by disclosing this fact. It's true.

Can you imagine a wife reading his husband facebook post without never have quality conversation for 80 years ?

The symbol / representation above is below:
The wife is church in general (or you shall i say ?)
The husband is our Jesus Christ
The facebook is the bible in printed form.
quality conversations is literally to talk / discuss / meet face to face and do more intimate things, not only reading facebook post.
80 years represent human lifespan naturally.

-- about this: Perhaps all of us need to ask, 'should I write this'? We often say things that hurt others without thinking.---

Matthew 15:21-28 demonstrate Jesus simply does not want to serve the Canaanite woman. Jesus hurts Canaanite woman feeling. I think so; yeah so what, HE is the law anyway.

again...again..again sorry to be rude. But HE is the law... HE can do anything HE wants.... including to decline to help Canaanite woman.

I am not the law, but I have mandate to write, therefore i wrote. I know i may hurt others, I am truthfully sorry for that, but i have to write what i have to write  smile.gif If you ask me to choose God's will or other people feelings, For me, God's will first, even it's not a happy writings / rebuking in nature. Does Jesus ever offend anybody. Yes... see mat 15:21-28.
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i'm only commenting on Matthew 15:21-28 bcuz its very interesting.

no matter how i look at it the cananite woman was a believer. a non-jewish believer. just like us. she approached Jesus and was rejected. she kept being rejected until she humbled herself in front of Jesus, by admitting she was nothing but a dog. maybe.. this is a message to tell us to be humble to God in our prayer for salvation if we want to be saved ? maybe believing in Jesus alone is not enough.
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post Jul 30 2014, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(manickam123 @ Jul 29 2014, 11:01 PM)
doh.gif you got the whole thing half right.

it means you gotta seek god persistently then he will answer you.

or i think the word is earnestly.

now go and fill in your bible study answer. u should belanja me for helping u. even layman non christian like me can understand better.
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You are right. Persistence, perseverance and humility... Thanks for the help.
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post Jul 30 2014, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 29 2014, 10:24 PM)
unknownwarrior pehkay tolong jelaskan.

Actually I found a place that refers to the old translation also

http://www.gotquestions.org/salvation-gift.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/faith-alone.html

If you still have questions I cannot answer liao. Must call the pro people.
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Thanks man.. i'll check out the links.
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post Jul 31 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 30 2014, 09:58 PM)
God Bless U all :-)
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Brother, dis is a light hearted question. Since you like quoting Matthew so much i am intrigued on another "controversial" verse, the Matthew 5:28. I wish to know your view if its not burdensome. Sorry for the trouble hehe...
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post Jul 31 2014, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 31 2014, 10:34 AM)
This is my take on this verse

Matthew 5:28 - But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

God is just simply saying:

Respect her as a human being.
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Well yeah but respect is too broad a definition for such a specific instruction.
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post Jul 31 2014, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 31 2014, 11:15 AM)
One way to overcome this is to look at how God look at a person.

Jesus came face to face with many prostitutes during his ministries but I believe He loved them and respect them as human beings from his eyes.

That way If you respect the person from that point of view, you won't threat the person as a sex object, even though that person has no respect for him/herself.
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So your definitive answer is a yes, we must not look women with lust. My vote is a definite no. I'll describe later. But wish to see others views.

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