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post Apr 17 2014, 03:59 PM, updated 11y ago

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KSK taps Kempinski for Conlay project
By SHAREN KAUR | 16 April 2014| last updated at 12:29AM
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KUALA LUMPUR: KSK Group Bhd will bring Europe's oldest luxury hotel outfit, Kempinski, to its RM4 billion Jalan Conlay project, here, adding another opulent accommodation to the city, said sources.

Formerly known as Kurnia Asia Bhd, the group is developing a mixed-use project on a 1.6ha site in Jalan Conlay, next to Prince Hotel & Residence.

KSK acquired the land for RM568 million from Suasana Simfoni Sdn Bhd in a deal that was completed last month.

The project will be developed by its subsidiary, KSK Land Sdn Bhd, and will feature three towers and a 200,000 sq ft retail podium.

The sources said the tallest tower is [cool.gif60-storey high and will house the five-star hotel and serviced apartments, which are expected to be managed by Kempinski.

The other two blocks, standing at 50 and 55 storeys each, will comprise luxury condominiums.
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According to the sources, KSK had considered either Kempinski and Nevada-based gaming and hospitality company, MGM Resorts International, to manage the hotel and serviced residences.

Kempinski is an international hotel chain founded in Berlin, Germany, in 1897.

It is majority controlled by Thailand's Crown Property Bureau, a Royal Thailand authority responsible for administering the properties of the Royal House of Thailand.

Kempinski operates around 80 historic grand hotels, city hotels, resorts and residences in 30 countries in Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia.

KSK Land will develop the Conlay project starting year-end. The project is slated to be completed by 2020.

"KSK Land will also launch the condominiums by year-end. No price is fixed yet, but it will surely be above RM2,500 per sq ft.

"There will be competition from Banyan Tree residences and Harrods Hotel, which are also under construction in Jalan Conlay. KSK Land, however, is bullish on property sales and is targeting 50 per cent local investors," the sources said.

The KSK group is expected to use part of the RM1.63 billion obtained from the sale of its core insurance business, Kurnia Insurans (M) Bhd, to AmG Insurance Bhd in September 2012, to fund the project's initial stage.

The group, which currently focuses on growing its two general insurance operations in Indonesia and Thailand, ventured into property development last year.

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post Apr 17 2014, 04:11 PM

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wa.... cannot afford..
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PuiiiiyoOohhh!!!.....puke rice price....
the price after heard can puke rice...

but Kempinski very got style..... + like

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Kempinski for RM2,500psf is like the "most affordable" of its kind in the world.
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post May 25 2014, 06:04 PM

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Coming soon...8conlay
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QUOTE(iskandarempire @ May 25 2014, 06:04 PM)
There is a huge article in The Edge City & Country this weekend.
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RM2,500-3,000PSF

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Luxury is the freedom to be your stylish self living in the most stylish adress in whole of Malaysia. Hence, a new icon emerges in the heart of Kuala Lumpur.

Inspired by the Chinese character for the number 8, this world-class development known as "8CONLAY" will feature a 51- and 56-storey branded residences; a 60-storey tower housing 260-rooms of what could be Kempinski's first hotel in Malaysia together with 350-units of serviced residences managed by the operator; atop a 8-storey shopping mall, associated facilities and "F&B Terraces" spread across 4 levels.

According to the developer, KSK Land, in an interview feature with The Edge City & Country last week, the developer plans to sell its branded residences at an average price of RM2,500psf.

8CONLAY is expected to be pedestrian-walkable to opposite developments such as Harrods and Pavilion KL and a short walk to KLCC.

8CONLAY now seeks your registration of interest at >>> http://www.8conlay.com/
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Hotel is either MGM or Kempinski.

Perhaps they would manage the Residences as well.
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Flashing out in the newspapers.

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anyone knows when it start selling? or who / where should contact?
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QUOTE(accetera @ Apr 17 2014, 05:34 PM)
Kempinski for RM2,500psf is like the "most affordable" of its kind in the world.
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Pat how many u plan to buy this round ?
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totally for expat market.
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3000 psft .......y dun put 5000 psft smile.gif
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QUOTE(PeriPeri2014 @ Oct 22 2014, 06:43 PM)
3000 psft .......y dun put 5000 psft smile.gif
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Susah.four season just nearby also 3k PSF. Macam mana hit 5k PSF... If really hit 5k PSF. I sibeh happy lor.

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Crazy price!! If ddd camp bear bear know, sure he curse kau kau this price is damn inflated.
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Oct 22 2014, 06:48 PM)
Crazy price!! If ddd camp bear bear know, sure he curse kau kau this price is damn inflated.
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if put 5K psft more easy to sales flex.gif flex.gif
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Oct 22 2014, 06:48 PM)
Crazy price!! If ddd camp bear bear know, sure he curse kau kau this price is damn inflated.
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Almost all nearby KLCC are priced crazily...
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QUOTE(natman @ Oct 22 2014, 06:40 PM)
Pat how many u plan to buy this round ?
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QUOTE(superpigchan @ Oct 22 2014, 05:58 PM)
anyone knows when it start selling? or who / where should contact?
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This one for richie's collective item purpose only.
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post Oct 27 2014, 06:23 PM

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Any info for the built-up? Got studio size?
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No longer investment but for people wanting trophy collection.
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QUOTE(webby88 @ Nov 2 2014, 11:12 PM)
No longer investment but for people wanting trophy collection.
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QUOTE(webby88 @ Nov 2 2014, 09:12 AM)
No longer investment but for people wanting trophy collection.
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Ya this kinda props if can cover half the installment(after maintenance) also consider good d.. good prop to buy during a recession when the prices will drop to Tropicana Gardens level tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Nov 3 2014, 01:28 AM)
Ya this kinda props if can cover half the installment(after maintenance) also consider good d.. good prop to buy during a recession when the prices will drop to Tropicana Gardens level  tongue.gif
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This is for investors who are in different league. Everything is premium and designer piece.
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QUOTE(MrHunter @ Nov 3 2014, 09:04 AM)
This is for investors who are in different league. Everything is premium and designer piece.
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QUOTE(MrHunter @ Nov 2 2014, 07:04 PM)
This is for investors who are in different league. Everything is premium and designer piece.
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Yeap agreed... these kinda investors don't spend time on LYN one..very suitable for rich yuppies..
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Kempinski will be announced on Tuesday in an event.
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today Preview price from RM2,700 psft

maintenance fee RM1.20 psft

benchmark in KL ?



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Kempinski is confirmed.

http://www.nst.com.my/node/54070
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QUOTE(jasonpang @ Nov 19 2014, 12:38 AM)
today Preview price from RM2,700 psft

maintenance fee RM1.20 psft

benchmark in KL ?
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rm1.20psf maintenance is kinda insane.
equivalent to leasing a whole unit in other locations.

good luck to them!
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QUOTE(kochin @ Nov 18 2014, 06:39 PM)
rm1.20psf maintenance is kinda insane.
equivalent to leasing a whole unit in other locations.

good luck to them!
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yeah, now must include the carpark for maintenance also..
This is more of a trophy property la, not one that can cover ur repayment!
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QUOTE(kochin @ Nov 19 2014, 08:39 AM)
rm1.20psf maintenance is kinda insane.
equivalent to leasing a whole unit in other locations.

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Good to see how they sell this project. biggrin.gif

I am sure the registration is overwhelming.
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QUOTE(jasonpang @ Nov 19 2014, 12:38 AM)
today Preview price from RM2,700 psft

maintenance fee RM1.20 psft

benchmark in KL ?
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they should put RM2.0 maintenance fees.....look more Grand Luxury ma laugh.gif
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wow, really hit the new benchmark
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Facing harrods hotel? woww..
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so fast they start the A&P liao....now rasio oso got.....geng smile.gif
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this residence tower like Hermes,

stay in here will increase your value so much
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Full weekend coverage.

Architect: Ar. Hud Bakar of RSP Architects

Landscape: Terrains + Open Space (TROP), Bangkok

Interior Design: Steve Leung & YOO, Hong Kong

Retail Concept: Benoy, London and Hong Kong

Hotel Operator: Kempinski Hotels, Switzerland

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KSK Land’s maiden project is a mixed-use development called 8 Conlay that has a gross development value of RM4 billion and is slated for completion in 2020. Located in 8 Jalan Conlay in the Kuala Lumpur city centre, it is within walking distance of Pavilion KL and Jalan Bukit Bintang’s shopping district. The 3.952-acre parcel that was purchased for RM568 million in 2Q2013 will feature three towers linked by a 4-storey retail podium. Kempinski will manage the three towers while the developer will supervise the retail podium.

The names of the towers have yet to be determined, so they are tentatively called Towers A, B and C. Tower C will stand alone while Towers A and B will be joined. The 62-storey Tower C will house a 260-room hotel and 403 serviced residences while Tower A (60 storeys) and Tower B (55 storeys) will offer a total of 1,092 serviced residences and will be linked at the 25th and 44th levels.

While the built-up of the units in Towers A and B will range from 682 to 1,295 sq ft, that of Tower C’s hotel rooms and serviced residences has yet to be determined as they are still in the design stage. The estimated selling price of the serviced residences is between RM2,000 and RM3,000 psf.

Source:http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/city-country-cover-story-bringing-branded-residences-kuala-lumpur?type=Property
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Was told soft launch after CNY, but no news yet. Anyone have info?
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If less than 2.3k than good buy lor. Btr than subsale unbranded condo... maintenance fee shld be 0.80 and above?
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Heard before is around RM1 – RM1.20 per sq ft for 8 Conlay. That time was like wah – so expensive! But now Pavilion Suites & W-Residence also estimating their maintenance at RM1 per sq ft. Think is pretty good deal lor considering u getting Kempinski wor at 8 Conlay. If want to buy, better book first – mana tahu the price will increase at launch or not. Got sales office – people probably already booking and registering
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when launching?
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Look like their corp video going around, got series one. but haven't say when launching.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuLzV9eevm6nd79D4lN62Uw
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Received a call for private preview.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jun 22 2015, 06:49 PM)
Received a call for private preview.
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Star Property Online just reported launching Oct 2015
http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...-news/8-conlay/

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Would appreciate if you could share some details here.
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Interesting that these posts are allowed when they are so blatantly solicitous in nature while others which are much less sales driven are quickly shut down. Thought the driving principle for lyn is information sharing.

I guess there are those who are quick to complain about other projects where they are not the selling agent....
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QUOTE(Hartamas @ Sep 9 2015, 10:01 AM)
Interesting that these posts are allowed when they are so blatantly solicitous in nature while others which are much less sales driven are quickly shut down. Thought the driving principle for lyn is information sharing.

I guess there are those who are quick to complain about other projects where they are not the selling agent....
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I can't control much about such postings but I would advice that particular photo to be removed. Tq
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agents fighting HAHAHA
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QUOTE(accetera @ Sep 9 2015, 07:06 PM)
I can't control much about such postings but I would advice that particular photo to be removed. Tq
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Sorry if my post caused any disturbance, sure will remove the photo as per advised.

anyway, me myself owned a unit at 8conlay too, just a bit excited to share the good demand of this investment, cheers~ blush.gif
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QUOTE(Rich_Rara @ Sep 10 2015, 12:56 PM)
Sorry if my post caused any disturbance, sure will remove the photo as per advised.

anyway, me myself owned a unit at 8conlay too, just a bit excited to share the good demand of this investment, cheers~  blush.gif
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Psf? Size.....
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Psf? Size.....
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You mean my unit? i reserved 1BR (around 700sf), the other units i keep for my own friends/clients are 1+1, frm 742sf onwards. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Rich_Rara @ Sep 11 2015, 04:40 PM)
You mean my unit? i reserved 1BR (around 700sf), the other units i keep for my own friends/clients are 1+1, frm 742sf onwards. smile.gif
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roughly how much psf?
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already mention rm 2500 psf

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List price is average RM2,700psf, after early bird discount is around RM2,500psf, interesting? drool.gif
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roughly how much psf?
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Hi all,

Those who keen to get a unit for this project can inbox me.

Will provide you the package and price for your convenience.

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QUOTE(rookienyc @ Oct 29 2015, 05:53 PM)
Hi all,

Those who keen to get a unit for this project can inbox me.

Will provide you the package and price for your convenience.

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Just wandering.... do you think Lyn forumners are the target for the luxury 8conlay project? hmm.gif
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Just wandering.... do you think Lyn forumners are the target for the luxury 8conlay project?  hmm.gif
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some lowyat forumer here can bungkus many kempinsky buyer..dun play play!
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Oct 29 2015, 07:09 PM)
some lowyat forumer here can bungkus many kempinsky buyer..dun play play!
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i didn't refer to the affordability issue.....

i suppose majority buyers who are going to buy this 8conlay will use it as "trophy property". Are the demographic here reflect the target market? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gks @ Oct 30 2015, 08:16 AM)
i didn't refer to the affordability issue.....

i suppose majority buyers who are going to buy this 8conlay will use it as "trophy property". Are the demographic here reflect the target market?  hmm.gif
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I really think some members here are already "trophy hunter" level liao.

Demographic here will not affect target market la.. bt then the demand from forum member will reflect SA income..haha laugh.gif
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Sales gallery of RM5.4bil mixed development 8 Conlay unveiled
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ries/?style=biz
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 19 2015, 10:48 AM)
Sales gallery of RM5.4bil mixed development 8 Conlay unveiled
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ries/?style=biz
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first time developer already so greedy
u can trust them with 2-3 mil condo?
these ex insurance people during their kurnia times also bad bad repo.....always delay claims
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first time developer already so greedy
u can trust them with 2-3 mil condo?
these ex insurance people during their kurnia times also bad bad repo.....always delay claims
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They will practice similar tactics during defect liability period?
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first time developer already so greedy
u can trust them with 2-3 mil condo?
these ex insurance people during their kurnia times also bad bad repo.....always delay claims
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seriously ohmy.gif shocking.gif
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first time developer already so greedy
u can trust them with 2-3 mil condo?
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to be frank, pricing seems ok for KLCC area i think. well, compared to many parts of asia, this is still considered fairly valued. but, the question is whether there will a sub-sale market for it. looks a little grim with the economy like this nowadays. going to be sitting at the side lines for this one...
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Multibillion 8 Conlay project in Kuala Lumpur sees 70% booking rate for first residential tower
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to be frank, pricing seems ok for KLCC area i think. well, compared to many parts of asia, this is still considered fairly valued. but, the question is whether there will a sub-sale market for it. looks a little grim with the economy like this nowadays. going to be sitting at the side lines for this one...
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This project targets rich ppl from Australia, China/HK , Middle East & Singapore. Mostly all foreigners buyer
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Wow! From rm2500psqf in start of thread, now the price has jumped to rm3200psqf!!

Really riches game!
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Last time i asked their staff, less than 5% available.

Now 30% available

will there be a ~~available + ultimately last batch of units released 40 % up for grab this sort of game again ar after CNY?😁😁
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Wow! From rm2500psqf in start of thread, now the price has jumped to rm3200psqf!!

Really riches game!
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New kids on the block is very daring on the price psf
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frm what i hear, MANY foreign investors BAN KL! Esp those ARAB ones since a few recent incidents n RM depreciate.. its like 30-40% of moneh gone.. A lot of sticker game here i feel! if pavi elite suites selling at this price n high sales (which both are a YES), i believe rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Nov 21 2015, 10:27 PM)
frm what i hear, MANY foreign investors BAN KL! Esp those ARAB ones since a few recent incidents n RM depreciate.. its like 30-40% of moneh gone.. A lot of sticker game here i feel! if pavi elite suites selling at this price n high sales (which both are a YES), i believe  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Actually for now as a foreign investor, it should be the best time to buy due to the fact that Rm is much undervalued (based on Bank Negara statement). By the the time it recovers, it should have made the capital appreciation plus forex appreciation).


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Actually for now as a foreign investor, it should be the best time to buy due to the fact that Rm is much undervalued (based on Bank Negara statement). By the the time it recovers[SIZE=7], it should have made the capital appreciation plus forex appreciation).
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Interestingly enough with the recent The Edge interview, their COO claims 80% made up of Malaysian while foreign buyers made up the rest.

Not sure how reliable it is.
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Interestingly enough with the recent The Edge interview, their COO claims 80% made up of Malaysian while foreign buyers made up the rest.

Not sure how reliable it is.
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i would believe la. coz pav suites also same demographics. and they sold out the expensive ones first, left behind some "cheap" units now sweat.gif

who say malaysia is poor...
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Interestingly enough with the recent The Edge interview, their COO claims 80% made up of Malaysian while foreign buyers made up the rest.

Not sure how reliable it is.
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80/20 ratio between Malaysian & foreigner should be correct.

the best would be 55/45 but now it's not achievable sweat.gif
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i would believe la. coz pav suites also same demographics. and they sold out the expensive ones first, left behind some "cheap" units now sweat.gif

who say malaysia is poor...
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also politically connected people.....semua kaya raya.......

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I got a few Malaysian friends majority of whom are overseas working who have bought here.
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I got a few Malaysian friends majority of whom are overseas working who have bought here.
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RM3,200psf?
well, still far from Gavin's prediction of RM5,000psf.
so who's next to breach RM4kpsf?
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RM3,200psf?
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Interestingly enough with the recent The Edge interview, their COO claims 80% made up of Malaysian while foreign buyers made up the rest.

Not sure how reliable it is.
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8 CONLAY MAKES AUSPICIOUS GRAND ENTRANCE

Setting the benchmark for Malaysia’s branded residences.



THERE are reasons why branded residences, such as 8 Conlay, are exemplary in their own right. In addition to accessibility and location, much thought has been put into design, sustainability and value for homebuyers and investors, resulting in conducive environments that enhance the quality of life for the residences’ inhabitants.



Wood-themed Living and Dining Room at YOO8.



Standing strategically in the heart of Kuala Lumpur’s bustling Golden Triangle, 8 Conlay is a mixed-use development project with an estimated gross development value (GDV) of RM5.4 bil, targeted for completion by end of 2020.



The development comprises two YOOinterior designed branded residence towers of 57- and 62-storey blocks that will be connected via two sky bridges at level 26 and 44. The development is complemented by a 68-storey five-star hotel, service suites and a lifestyle retail component.



Europe’s oldest luxury hospitality group, Kempinski Hotels, will provide services for the branded residence towers as well as managing the hotel tower.





Targeted at high net worth individuals and young professionals, Tower A of YOO8 serviced by Kempinski, is fully fitted complete with interior decorations and furnishing by globally renowned interior designer Steve Leung & YOO. This landmark development will feature Steve Leung & YOO’s designs that integrate the essence of nature, as reflected in the Eastern Chinese philosophy, by incorporating both water and wood elements.



KSK Land Sdn Bhd managing director Joanne Kua explains, “Today’s property buyers demand homes that truly reflect their lifestyles. We are collaborating with the finest architect, interior designers and landscape architect to make 8 Conlay an elite and aspirational address for discerning homebuyers and investors.”





Kua explains that 8 Conlay offers much more than a stylish address. “It is a one-ofa-kind development that redefines urban living through three main elements – liveable architecture, world-class designs and bespoke personalised services,” she said.



In an exclusive interview with StarProperty.my, Creative Director of Steve Leung & YOO Steve Leung shares, “First of all, you have buyers who have different objectives. Some may use it as a first home. The unit has to be very practical.”





Leung states that the kitchen is usable, as they have the equipment that people can use to cook their own meals. He adds that the bathroom is sizable, and that there is adequate storage space for day-to-day use.



He comments that investors would consider the location of developments important. “The other thing is that because there is competition in Kuala Lumpur, especially in this area, our design has to stand out.” He expounds that investors could then rent out the space at higher rental rates.



Another matter of consideration for investors would be maintenance. Leung says, “The type of wallpaper and timber floor that we are using, are reasonable maintenance considerations.”



Leung adds, “First of all, in the selection, I think basically, all the wood is FSC-labelled (Forest Stewardship Council), which is actually environmental-friendly type of timber. I think Malaysia is very good in producing this.”



Leung continues, “In terms of automation, I think we have been working with our consultants to do the home occlusion design in order to save energy as much as possible. We are still in the process of doing that. We are still working on the details, involving the client, the architects, and I, who are having that kind of vision in doing this thing.”



Referring to those who want a unit as a second home, Leung comments that such buyers want something unique. He states, “For this project, we have 564 units. It is not a small number, so we have to design for different kinds of end-users. This makes it quite unique. At least it will stand out in the market in Kuala Lumpur. That is what we are intending to do. From my experience as a designer, this kind of properties will be welcomed by international investors.



Sharing his experience as an investor, he stresses that he looks for quality and uniqueness. “I want to own a piece of property in the best location in the city. It is a collection item.





“I have so many friends in Hong Kong and China. They buy properties all over the world because they like it. Of course, they have the investment concept in mind, but they don’t really care whether it is the highest yield, or they can gain the biggest capital gain at the end of a certain period of time, but they just want to own something that is unique and iconic, in that part of the city.”


“We have been encouraged by the positive response received for YOO8 serviced by Kempinski, both locally and from abroad. For many buyers of branded residences, they are looking for a ‘trophy’ home that perfectly blend finest designs with superb facilities and services, and YOO8 has been designed to fulfil this need. Branded residences also deliver exceptional value as they normally command better capital yield for the longer term,” concludes Kua.

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Went to their 8 Conlay sales gallery , really impress with their Iconic architectural design. The 'twist & Spin' smoothly of building structure really a WoW factor notworthy.gif thumbup.gif
Sales presentation was great also and Impressive sales gallery interior design. Overall BEST experience ! thumbsup.gif
Really Luxury feeling....
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Went to their 8 Conlay sales gallery , really impress with their Iconic architectural design. The 'twist & Spin' smoothly of building structure really a WoW factor notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
Sales presentation was great also and Impressive sales gallery interior design. Overall BEST experience ! :thumbsup: 
Really Luxury feeling....
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photo?
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You can see the attached photo taken at the show house. It is the most expensive show gallery ever built, they claimed.

Any serious buyer here? rclxms.gif


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how much is the maintenance fees? is this commercial title?
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You can see the attached photo taken at the show house. It is the most expensive show gallery ever built, they claimed.

Any serious buyer here? rclxms.gif
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most expensive sales gallery? no idea but the specs offered are quite good, but if not mistaken same as Stonor 3 ( if not wrong the name ) and BBCC. But slightly better than Damansara City.
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QUOTE(DavidKool @ Dec 16 2016, 06:03 PM)
most expensive sales gallery? no idea but the specs offered are quite good, but if not mistaken same as Stonor 3 ( if not wrong the name ) and BBCC. But slightly better than Damansara City.
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Maybe the kicthen is from poliform and not some loval brand called signature kitchen leh...

Gold tapwares........bbcc pun tak ada.
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not a big fan of the designs really. just me, or feels abit tacky...not "luxury"
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Rhese are the typical design concept to target potential buyers......
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may i know wat is the price for 1500sqf would like to introduce my buyer, if you are open for coagency.
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may i know wat is the price for 1500sqf would like to introduce my buyer, if you are open for coagency.
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Suggest you straight go to developer, they will be more than happy to offer you good commission since you able to get them buyer of 1500 sq ft unit.

Just curious your buyer is comparing 8 Conlay with which other projects ah? Pavilion?
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what's the size square foot for two bed unit?
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From 934sqft.

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Maintenance fee: RM1.05psf
Freehold Commercial title
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1+1 bedroom is 741 sqft
2 bedroom is 945 sqft & 960 sqft
2 + 1 bedroom is 1095, 1147 & 1155 sqft
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QUOTE(jibby28 @ Mar 29 2016, 06:04 PM)
Went to their 8 Conlay sales gallery , really impress with their Iconic architectural design. The 'twist & Spin' smoothly of building structure really a WoW factor notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
Sales presentation was great also and Impressive sales gallery interior design. Overall BEST experience ! thumbsup.gif 
Really Luxury feeling....
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thumbup.gif RM5.4b GDV bro hahah
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By the way guys, Tower B (Interior by Kelly Hoppen) was launched 2 weeks ago. Last weekend was our first private event post launch. Prices confirmed will be increased beginning Nov 1.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Dec 16 2016, 08:44 PM)
Maybe the kicthen is from poliform and not some loval brand called signature kitchen leh...

Gold tapwares........bbcc pun tak ada.
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Kitchen is SieMatic from Germany. It's the most well known German luxury brand for kitchens.

https://www.siematic.com/en/

https://www.independent.co.uk/property/inte...en-1879670.html

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Siematic ( siematic.com; 0844 3356595) might not be cheap – a full kitchen starts at around £15,000 – but it offers individual cupboards, worktops and a larder at more affordable prices.


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wats the starting price a? everything are luxurious now ><
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wats the starting price a? everything are luxurious now ><
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RM3000psf

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RM3000psf
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I remember got a guru said Msia prop can break 5000psf few years back, how much for four season now?
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I remember got a guru said Msia prop can break 5000psf few years back, how much for four season now?
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Four Seasons is RM3500psf now.

We'll be breaking 4000 soon that's for sure hahah.

In fact, price for 8 Conlay will increase next month.

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Four Seasons is RM3500psf now.

We'll be breaking 4000 soon that's for sure hahah.

In fact, price for 8 Conlay will increase next month.
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Very good! Btw, what is the highest % foreign buyer for strata prop set by local authorities? 49%?
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Very good! Btw, what is the highest % foreign buyer for strata prop set by local authorities? 49%?
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There is no quota on foreign ownership. The existing restrictions are price based i.e. min RM1m in KL, RM2m in Selangor.

But foreigners buying land needs to apply through EPU - Economic Planning Unit. So, land acquisitions is more complicated for foreigners.

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There is no quota on foreign ownership. The existing restrictions are price based i.e. min RM1m in KL, RM2m in Selangor.

But foreigners buying land needs to apply through EPU - Economic Planning Unit. So, land acquisitions is more complicated for foreigners.
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Msia so good! No quota on foreign ownership thumbup.gif
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omg RM3K??? did u hit a 0 at the back accidentally??
not RM300, but RM3000???? FML meaning one unit cost atleast 3MIL???? icon_question.gif
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omg RM3K??? did u hit a 0 at the back accidentally??
not RM300, but RM3000???? FML meaning one unit cost atleast 3MIL???? icon_question.gif
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RM2.2m for 700sqft. Designed by celebrity designer Kelly Hoppen MBE. She designed for the beckhams, trump, Clinton's, Hollywood A-list. Fully furnished haha.
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RM2.2m for 700sqft. Designed by celebrity designer Kelly Hoppen MBE. She designed for the beckhams, trump, Clinton's, Hollywood A-list. Fully furnished haha.
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Can get at nett rm1.95m for 707 sq ft after rebate for lower floor. Maintenance and sinking fund at rm1.15 psf.
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Got lan.....who says no...

Max 70%.

Balance still need to reserve for bumi.
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Got lan.....who says no...

Max 70%.

Balance still need to reserve for bumi.
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Don't have lah. Now only Govt looking to review foreign ownership policy because of Forest City whereby Johor Govt decides to place max 70% quota on foreign ownership.

Check this out:

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...ws-on-property/

Despite that, I believe they won't place a cap on foreign ownership quota. Govt has always been pro developers regardless of which opposing political coalition.

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Can get at nett rm1.95m for 707 sq ft after rebate for lower floor. Maintenance and sinking fund at rm1.15 psf.
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Don't have lah no more already. Anyway Nov 1, developer confirm increasing price by RM100psf. Maintenance fee is RM1.05 including sinking fund. Four Seasons is RM1.70 IIRC.
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Got lan.....who says no...

Max 70%.

Balance still need to reserve for bumi.
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ya, agree with this. johor revise to 70% coz forest city donno why can get 100% foreigner like medini/puteri harbour.. in melaka only 10% for foreigner.. so i believe KL won’t be 100%..

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ya, agree with this. johor revise to 70% coz forest city donno why can get 100% foreigner like medini/puteri harbour.. in melaka only 10% for foreigner.. so i believe KL won’t be 100%..
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Cnnot use forest city to represent the whole malaysia.
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how is the take up rate lately?

been there sometime back and was impressed with their showunit
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how is the take up rate lately?

been there sometime back and was impressed with their showunit
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 30 2018, 12:14 AM)
Got lan.....who says no...

Max 70%.

Balance still need to reserve for bumi.
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Should set a new rules for it at least 51% local, foreigners max 49% for a single project
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QUOTE(planc @ Nov 2 2018, 01:25 AM)
Should set a new rules for it at least 51% local, foreigners max 49% for a single project
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Like that how can?

Bumi 30%
Foreigners 49%
Non bumi makan apa?
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 2 2018, 12:31 AM)
Like that how can?

Bumi 30%
Foreigners 49%
Non bumi makan apa?
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Makan angin tongue.gif no..usually new project priority launch to local first..if bad response only sell it to foreigner..non bumi always can makan first right?
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Makan angin tongue.gif no..usually new project priority launch to local first..if bad response only sell it to foreigner..non bumi always can makan first right?
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Not every non bumi kemp at door one week before launch de....
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Not every non bumi kemp at door one week before launch de....
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Then is their problem jo..like dr m said din do anything still can get Rm500? Dream it
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Then is their problem jo..like dr m said din do anything still can get Rm500? Dream it
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Not the same issue bro.

You proposed bumi 30%, foreigners 49% balance to non bumi?

Now foreigners more powa than orang malaysians?????

In fact foreigners more powa than bumi also......
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Not the same issue bro.

You proposed bumi 30%, foreigners 49% balance to non bumi?

Now foreigners more powa than orang malaysians?????

In fact foreigners more powa than bumi also......
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Local non bumi priority use their finger power first, they dun buy foreigners only got chances buy up to 49% u get what I mean?
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Local non bumi priority use their finger power first, they dun buy foreigners only got chances buy up to 49% u get what I mean?
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How do you determine local dun buy baru foreigners can buy?

Buy means must buy immediately and off plan?

How if i wanna see the final product baru buy can or not?
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How do you determine local dun buy baru foreigners can buy?

Buy means must buy immediately and off plan?

How if i wanna see the final product baru buy can or not?
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Give certain period local to buy if no buy then pass it to oversea agencies promote it in their country..if want to see the final product cannnn..give higher price and chances ppl earn more lo, fair enough as ppl take the risk and pay interest for it
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at 3300psf here, wonder how one can compare this with banyan transacting at ONLY 2300psf with far better location and branding against this yoo
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QUOTE(susanboon @ Jan 26 2019, 07:36 AM)
Most people buy for the Kempinski Europe branding which is very already very long established since year 18xx
compared to  Banyan Tree.

Yoo 8 is Fully furnished by world-reknowned ID.
i think Banyan Tree was partial furnished is i am not mistaken ?

people here buy 8 Conlay for status & collectors item ie Trophy asset
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Besides price, what glamour does 8 conlay have to qualify as trophy asset? Calacatta marble? Paris Hilton and jho low live there? Kempinski is only a hotel operator like four seasons and Shangri la. How many years is kempinski contract with 8 conlay?

For similar price, one could buy in London, dubai, sg, nyc, etc, would be more prestige.

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QUOTE(susanboon @ Jan 25 2019, 05:36 PM)
Most people buy for the Kempinski Europe branding which is very already very long established since year 18xx
compared to  Banyan Tree.

Yoo 8 is Fully furnished by world-reknowned ID.
i think Banyan Tree was partial furnished is i am not mistaken ?

people here buy 8 Conlay for status & collectors item ie Trophy asset
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When u buy the condo here, do you have kempinski on your address or with the sucky yoo name. banyan tree partial furnish wont result in 1k price diff la. all units same furniture will lead to 0 avenue for differentiation upon completion when renting or selling out.
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QUOTE(susanboon @ Nov 1 2018, 06:35 PM)
smallest unit is 1r 1b, followed by 2r2b

already touched rm3300 psf

http://bit.ly/Yoo8_BrandedResidence_8Conlay
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jan 24 2019, 05:47 PM)
at 3300psf here, wonder how one can compare this with banyan transacting at ONLY 2300psf with far better location and branding against this yoo
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Early 2019 banyan was transacting at 2300psf, today it's hardly 1800psf.

Investors in this yoo is bound for a BIG surprise upon VP.

QUOTE(Babizz @ Sep 30 2019, 05:16 AM)
A quick search on iproperty will show how low yields are in many top KLCC n BB condos. Banyan n many condos have gross yields below 3.3% before maintenance and the likes.

Trying to think why would anyone pay 3000psf here when one can easily buy banyan at 1800psf. https://www.brickz.my/transactions/resident...orderby=med_psf
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QUOTE(ianrpf @ Oct 9 2018, 03:47 AM)
Four Seasons is RM3500psf now.

We'll be breaking 4000 soon that's for sure hahah.

In fact, price for 8 Conlay will increase next month.
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Where's your 4000psf???

Four seasons down to 2900psf.

QUOTE(restful increase @ Oct 31 2018, 12:42 AM)
If got holding power it will be a good investment in view of its branding. Branded service residence are commanding good capital appreciation in the subsale market ie 4 season and ritz carlton.
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Please show how good capital appreciation in the subsale market for branded residences.

Ritz any subsale transaction yet??
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Banyan tree is sinkapoh brand nia lah...
Not apa apa world wide brand name.

Trophy buy just leave them to trophy collectors lah..

You think losing 1000psf will render them bankrupt meh....

But only property wannabes that want to taste a bit of high life will get burn.

Am surprise how bad 4seasons doing in subsale.

Not only earlier they dont sell to you. But have to vetted yr profiles to see if you able to fit into their great profiles of owners baru nak jual or not to you.....si beh lansi.

Now what happens?? Many of those high profilers throwing their units in lelong market.
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Please look at the final design. It suppose to be twisted and slanted. So nothing wrong from this building design

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recent trend is who post 1st, who get de most like, who win...whos care about the fact lollllzzz
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[quote=shaoching,Dec 23 2019, 06:12 PM]recent trend is who post 1st, who get de most like, who win...whos care about the fact lollllzzz
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What is the price now for 8 conlay?
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http://idaman2.kpkt.gov.my:8888/idv5/98_eH...proj_kod_Fasa=1

http://idaman2.kpkt.gov.my:8888/idv5/98_eH...Nama=8%20CONLAY

About 75% sold at last update, of which about 85% bought by foreigners.

http://idaman2.kpkt.gov.my:8888/idv5/98_eH...Nama=8%20CONLAY
Phase 2; <20% sold at last update, of which about 88% bought by foreigners.

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I expect this to fare MUCH worse than banyan tree.

30-40% depreciation within 1-2 years post VP?

Location is quite inferior to BB also.
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The location is potential compare to BB which is already matured area
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RM3,200/sq ft with RM1.00/sq ft maintenance??? pffft

the epitome of luxury pigeonhole

Pavilion is walkable, but KLCC is definitely not.
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1. 1064 units. Not sure how's that even low dense or luxurious.
2. No mention on how this is benchmarked against the other branded condos in Klcc.

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The location is potential compare to BB which is already matured area
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If BB is matured and this has "potential", how can the price be much more than the matured area?

Moreover you're not buying Kemp residences. Your address will be yuuu😆
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Majority foreigners bought, most probably prc n koreans or sg lang?
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Just want to update on this project, main-contractor MCC (Metallurgical Corporation of China) has been terminated due to non-performance.

I doubt the new contractor (yet to be appointed) can catch up the delay, in the event they do, there's a high possibility of quality issues.

Buyers can look forward to some nice LADs payments, hehe

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QUOTE(machoman88 @ Oct 14 2020, 10:46 AM)
Just want to update on this project, main-contractor MCC (Metallurgical Corporation of China) has been terminated due to non-performance.

I doubt the new contractor (yet to be appointed) can catch up the delay, in the event they do, there's a high possibility of quality issues.

Buyers can look forward to some nice LADs payments, hehe
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main contractor termination is more likely due to cash flow issue than non performance.

unless main contractor is ensured of payment, few will take up.

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QUOTE(machoman88 @ Oct 14 2020, 10:46 AM)
Just want to update on this project, main-contractor MCC (Metallurgical Corporation of China) has been terminated due to non-performance.

I doubt the new contractor (yet to be appointed) can catch up the delay, in the event they do, there's a high possibility of quality issues.

Buyers can look forward to some nice LADs payments, hehe
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Sure new contractor will not be liable for lad, I believe there will be done legal language that will allow developer to avoid and reneg on lad payments now

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QUOTE(Akmal Azri @ Oct 14 2020, 05:09 PM)
Oh no, that's not good that you don't know that works are continuing on the facade, lifts, together with other external infrastructure... its sometimes hard to tell from your keyboard
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Workers, materials and work progress are invisible.

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Hi, just release today on "The Eedge Markets "-

"GDB executes LoI for RM1.25b job to complete 8 Conlay luxury project in KL" hmm.gif


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Hi, just release today on "The Eedge Markets "-

"GDB executes LoI for RM1.25b job to complete 8 Conlay luxury project in KL" hmm.gif
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yeah... saw that news also... this project is out of Malaysian's league.. with the current market sentiment... I dunno how long can they sustain. kempenski is beside there.. they have to die due survive it since they got their hair wet liao..
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Which location is better 8 conlay or Four Seasons? If buy how to sell next time when so many new development every year
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Looks like the development is going well, Pullman hotel needs to think about moving, so squashed now, but the area in front of the buildings has development potential so it's clear this whole area is going to be over developed, plus Hakka restaurant land sold also, supply is going to be huge
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QUOTE(doggmeister @ Dec 2 2020, 08:49 PM)
Looks like the development is going well, Pullman hotel needs to think about moving, so squashed now, but the area in front of the buildings has development potential so it's clear this whole area is going to be over developed, plus Hakka restaurant land sold also, supply is going to be huge
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No progress since main contractor terminated.
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No progress since main contractor terminated.
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What happen to the main con?
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passed by yesterday, construction ongoing, can see people and construction machines doing stuff
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8 conlay 2021 seem like they restarted the project
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The units facing each other tower look so near
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How is the progress for this 8 conlay?

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this a totally diff segment altogether, while other dev are throwing rebate and prices, this top tier branded residence is holding up very well
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this a totally diff segment altogether, while other dev are throwing rebate and prices, this top tier branded residence is holding up very well
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Developer price and subsale market is different story.

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Macam yes wor...

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this a totally diff segment altogether, while other dev are throwing rebate and prices, this top tier branded residence is holding up very well
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Interesting to see comments like this before VP.
Real test upon VP is the subsale transacted value, rental returns and rental demand.
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Oct 17 2021, 11:41 PM)
Interesting to see comments like this before VP.
Real test upon VP is the subsale transacted value, rental returns and rental demand.
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in Malaysia...property price will stuck at Rm1kpsf...same as stock market KLSE...stuck at 1600 level... never growth since 10years ago.. bangwall.gif

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QUOTE(bigman @ Oct 18 2021, 08:58 AM)
in Malaysia...property price will stuck at Rm1kpsf...same as stock market KLSE...stuck at 1600 level... never growth since 10years ago.. bangwall.gif
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Seems only landed will go up.
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Seems only landed will go up.
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you go see Setia Eco Glades...never goes up...same as other projects in Cyberjaya
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you go see Setia Eco Glades...never goes up...same as other projects in Cyberjaya
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em..."proiperty price never goes up"...this is a DREAM of the presidents of so many countries.

Those countries' normal citizen (not rich ones) suffered a lot from non-stop go up of property price for soooooo many years.
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Hi Askar, is Seri Mutiara Development Sdn. Bhd. related to 8 Conlay development?
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Hi Askar, is Seri Mutiara Development Sdn. Bhd. related to 8 Conlay development?
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I think his bracket lari already. Should be Damai City Sdn Bhd, 2 rows above.
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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Jan 3 2022, 05:25 PM)
I think his bracket lari already. Should be Damai City Sdn Bhd, 2 rows above.
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Oh I blind liao. So KSK Land = Damai City. Memang sick project, many subcontractor payment sangkut because MCC terminated.
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Oh I blind liao. So KSK Land = Damai City. Memang sick project, many subcontractor payment sangkut because MCC terminated.
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Ya, normally developer will set up one subsidiary company for each development, so that if they screw up one project, the buyers only have legal recourse against that specific subsidiary company. The mother company and other subsidiary companies still safe.

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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Jan 4 2022, 09:33 AM)
Ya, normally developer will set up one subsidiary company for each development, so that if they screw up one project, the buyers only have legal recourse against that specific subsidiary company. The mother company and other subsidiary companies still safe.
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Are there no precedents of completion guarantee extended by the parent company? In the 90s?
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Are there no precedents of completion guarantee extended by the parent company? In the 90s?
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I am only in my early thirties, so not aware of this completion guarantee by parent company. For the few properties that I invested, there is no such guarantee given. Perhaps someone more experienced can enlighten us.
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Please be informed that we have suspended the execution of the works under the main contract. We hereby direct you to suspend performance of the sub-contract works in accordance with Clause 26.16 of the sub-contract’s conditions of contract,” GDBSB said in a letter to its sub-contractors sighted by The Edge.
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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/8-co...-suspends-works

All the best to buyers of this severely overpriced project.
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Ohh....no

Project BBQ???

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Kind of wasted. Hopefully not another plaza rakyat.

Will pavilion group take over? Can build a sky bridge link to Pavilion KL lets more richy's moolah come in. 🤑

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Aug 18 2022, 09:42 PM)
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/8-co...-suspends-works

All the best to buyers of this severely overpriced project.
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Oh dear the hailatness has set in. We are not immune from all the woes that are afflicting property developers and contractors around the world.

Chinese affluent are disposing their luxury goods as seen in SCP. Is the time of conspicuous luxury consumption over?

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I visited their showroom. Very posh.

Even more atas than TRX Residences.
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I visited their showroom. Very posh.

Even more atas than TRX Residences.
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Since when TRX is atas?
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Oh dear the hailatness has set in. We are not immune from all the woes that are afflicting property developers and contractors around the world.

Chinese affluent are disposing their luxury goods as seen in SCP. Is the time of conspicuous luxury consumption over?
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The western brand myth of SCP slowly dismentle in the eye of China.

Those so called luxury brand name just over glorified and brainwashed by the West so many years. Now they are loosing the light and dimming out slowly.

Especially when China can produce equally quality or even better quality product with reasonal price.

Over the time, China could re-setting the benchmark of SCP. 😲

It's all about international discourse power.

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QUOTE(wotpian @ Aug 18 2022, 11:59 PM)
The western brand myth of SCP slowly dismentle in the eye of China.

Those so called luxury brand name just over glorified and brainwashed by the West so many years. Now they are loosing the light and dimming out slowly.

Especially when China can produce equally quality or even better quality product with reasonal price.

Over the time, China could re-setting the benchmark of SCP. 😲

It's all about international discourse power.
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Sure or not.

Country garden, evergrande GG.

Reset the benchmark ? Whereby the largest property developer went broke ?
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Sure or not.

Country garden, evergrande GG.

Reset the benchmark ? Whereby the largest property developer went broke ?
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1 or 2 cases.. sure got failure along the way. Nothing as smooth as it can be. Sure many challenges.

Especially in property development, China govt already said and gave out warning many times and many years ago... enough is enough, house is for living, not speculation.

Like it or not or sure or not... China Space Station already up at the space. Time to wake up. 😉

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Seem the article being removed

This article cannot be found

QUOTE(Babizz @ Aug 18 2022, 09:42 PM)
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/8-co...-suspends-works

All the best to buyers of this severely overpriced project.
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Seem the article being removed

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Latest link https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1903351/8-c...-suspends-works
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also cannot open, seems like the developer trying hard to press down the news
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also cannot open, seems like the developer trying hard to press down the news
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just recently:
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/ksk-...inancial-stress
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Buyer nightmare.
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Buyer nightmare.
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The buyers for this project will be super atas and loaded. They will make a lot of noise.

I wanna see Tropicana Uncle v2. Peasants forget that people don’t become rich by being cincai. They can be your worst nightmare if things don’t go their way.

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KUALA LUMPUR (Aug 18): Grand Dynamics Builders Sdn Bhd (GDBSB), a subsidiary of GDB Holdings Bhd and the main contractor of the 8 Conlay development project, has suspended works at the mixed-use development in the heart of Kuala Lumpur.

“Please be informed that we have suspended the execution of the works under the main contract. We hereby direct you to suspend performance of the sub-contract works in accordance with Clause 26.16 of the sub-contract’s conditions of contract,” GDBSB said in a letter to its sub-contractors sighted by The Edge.

The letter dated Aug 16 (Tuesday) was signed by GDBSB's group managing director Cheah Ham Cheia.

A spokesperson for GDBSB confirmed the suspension of works when contacted by The Edge on Thursday (Aug 18), but declined to comment further on the matter.

GDBSB had bagged a RM1.25 billion contract to undertake the main building works for 8 Conlay, from Damai City Sdn Bhd, a unit of KSK Land Sdn Bhd, in 2020.

KSK Land, in response to questions from The Edge previously, had denied that the development worth RM5.4 billion was facing financial difficulties.

“No, we have not missed or defaulted on loan repayments,” its managing director Joanne Kua was quoted as saying in the June 27-July 2, 2022 edition of The Edge Malaysia weekly.

Sources, however, had said that KSK Land, a wholly-owned subsidiary of privately-held KSK Group Bhd (formerly known as Kurnia Asia Bhd), had come into financial stress and missed on loan repayments.

Rejecting the claim in an email response, Kua had said that the development continued to show steady progress. “KSK Land remains financially strong with sufficient resources to ensure the completion of the 8 Conlay project. We are now, in fact, looking forward to the increased interest in our project from investors from various markets, with the reopening of international borders,” said Kua, who is also the CEO of KSK Group.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...-suspends-works


SENARAI PROJEK PERUMAHAN YANG SAKIT SEHINGGA 30 JUN 2022
KATEGORI STRATA HIGHRISE
https://ehome.kpkt.gov.my/index.php/dl/5548...b5335775a47593d

Lacking buyers from prc and hk could be the reason.


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http://idaman2.kpkt.gov.my:8888/idv5/98_eH...Nama=8%20CONLAY

http://idaman2.kpkt.gov.my:8888/idv5/98_eH...Nama=8%20CONLAY

Mostly booked by foreigners. how realistic are these booking is another matter.

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if gg how about those buyer bank loan?
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That still binding on purchaser and will continue to haunt down the road

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if gg how about those buyer bank loan?
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The buyers for this project will be super atas and loaded. They will make a lot of noise.

I wanna see Tropicana Uncle v2. Peasants forget that people don’t become rich by being cincai. They can be your worst nightmare if things don’t go their way.
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Ya T20 buyer.

Looks like this project didnt cover by HDA.

GG buyers.

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if gg how about those buyer bank loan?
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Bank dont care, still need to pay until 'white warrior' take over and continue the project.

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Mostly booked by foreigners. how realistic are these booking is another matter.
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Very good info bro! I believe these are with SPA signed. The prob is whether the china buyers are paying?

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Most of buyers for this project are foreigners, it is out of league for majority of locals.

I thinks those buyers are looking to dump it off...

Actually many companies are financial distress, only that it is not known publicly....
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The fact that less than 20% sold and 80%+ of them are foreigners means that this project may not be viable.

Even wealthy locals aren’t really keen on something like this.

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Since the majority buyers are foreigner, maybe they use Cash to settle instead of taking loan up to 20/30/ 35 yrs (not like locals)?
Especially China big mom have lots of cash to sapu properties, gold bar.. etc 😍
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Since the majority buyers are foreigner, maybe they use Cash to settle instead of taking loan up to 20/30/ 35 yrs (not like locals)?
Especially China big mom have lots of cash to sapu properties, gold bar.. etc 😍
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Normally that would be the case but the protracted lockdowns have had a lot of negative impact on their wealth too. Already there’s talks of that market segment cutting back on discretionary spending. The fact that Malaysian property is so dicey in terms of holding their value is another added concern and they would likely walk away. Only those that are sought after by both locals and expats like DPC truly hold their value if not appreciate.
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1 or 2 cases.. sure got failure along the way. Nothing as smooth as it can be. Sure many challenges.

Especially in property development, China govt already said and gave out warning many times and many years ago... enough is enough, house is for living, not speculation.

Like it or not or sure or not... China Space Station already up at the space. Time to wake up. 😉
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Let's see in 5 years time. How many cases happen along the way 😁

Have a look at Henan since you're so familiar with the China.

Even the 3 largest developers facing liquidity issue and you say it is 1 or 2 cases. Haha


Besides,

I talk about properties you talk about space station. Haha.

Space station is for you chives to go ?

Let's shift our discussion back to 8conlay then.
Who will takeover next.

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Safe to say that super high spec high rises are not a viable business model anymore for developers unless you’re in a boom cycle.
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Let's see in 5 years time. How many cases happen along the way 😁

Have a look at Henan since you're so familiar with the China.

Even the 3 largest developers facing liquidity issue and you say it is 1 or 2 cases. Haha
Besides,

I talk about properties you talk about space station. Haha.

Space station is for you chives to go ?

Let's shift our discussion  back to 8conlay then.
Who will takeover next.
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Too bad for you. If 10 or 20 years ago, if you said let see 5 years time, maybe you can shoik sendiri for awhile. Now already 2022.

Bad and Good always happen... same as USA. just need to see overall end result how it solved or exploded. You heard of Xiong'an too right?

Why not for space station? don't constraint yourself. Outerspace may soon got property too. Or it could be very important infrastructure or research for future property.

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QUOTE(wotpian @ Aug 20 2022, 11:17 AM)
Too bad for you. If 10 or 20 years ago, if you said let see 5 years time, maybe you can shoik sendiri for awhile. Now already 2022.

Bad and Good always happen... same as USA. just need to see overall end result how it solved or exploded. You heard of Xiong'an too right?

Why not for space station? don't constraint yourself. Outerspace may soon got property too. Or it could be very important infrastructure or research for future property.
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Hahaha let's see 10 years then.
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Hahaha let's see 10 years then.
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Wahahaha... Too bad for you then. You can only blame yourself born in the wrong era.

You won't see China collapse in your life time. They have the best political system in the world compare to many others countries at the moment.

Maybe after 200 or 300 years, China maybe will only heading to downfall era.
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QUOTE(Nihonmaru @ Aug 20 2022, 08:51 AM)
Let's see in 5 years time. How many cases happen along the way 😁

Have a look at Henan since you're so familiar with the China.

Even the 3 largest developers facing liquidity issue and you say it is 1 or 2 cases. Haha
Besides,

I talk about properties you talk about space station. Haha.

Space station is for you chives to go ?

Let's shift our discussion  back to 8conlay then.
Who will takeover next.
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. Binastra or exsim will take over this project

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if gg how about those buyer bank loan?
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Buyer need continue service the loan otherwise lelong and sue you bankrupt
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Ya T20 buyer.

Looks like this project didnt cover by HDA.

GG buyers.
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Not under residential unit?
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Buyer need continue service the loan otherwise lelong and sue you bankrupt
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How to lelong when the unit is not even done?
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Wahahaha... Too bad for you then. You can only blame yourself born in the wrong era.

You won't see China collapse in your life time. They have the best political system in the world compare to many others countries at the moment.

Maybe after 200 or 300 years, China maybe will only heading to downfall era.
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You're so optimistic. Haha OK.
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Bank dont care, still need to pay until 'white warrior' take over and continue the project.
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Yup

Bank loan you is between you and bank
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Developer pokgai and didn't complete unit is between you and developer.

It has nothing to do with bank

Only can check if the money disbursed how many % to developer during project.
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Wahahaha... Too bad for you then. You can only blame yourself born in the wrong era.

You won't see China collapse in your life time. They have the best political system in the world compare to many others countries at the moment.

Maybe after 200 or 300 years, China maybe will only heading to downfall era.
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China economic growth in the last decade is largely fuelled by debts is unsustainable. Overbuilt and overpriced residence is a reality. When the time comes, will likely follow Japan,
poorperly price will stay depressed for a few decades, and the time will come sooner than most expected.

QUOTE(alwjmonster @ Aug 20 2022, 06:22 PM)
. Binastra or exsim will take over this project
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Only if there is money to be made.

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It makes sense for them to just scrap this development and start over. Price it at just above 1k psf as a medium high end build.
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will have developer take over dont worry....
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When??

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It makes sense for them to just scrap this development and start over. Price it at just above 1k psf as a medium high end build.
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Start over? Won't that be even higher cost given the current construction stage?
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China economic growth in the last decade is largely fuelled by debts is unsustainable. Overbuilt and overpriced residence is a reality. When the time comes, will likely follow Japan,
poorperly price will stay depressed for a few decades, and the time will come sooner than most expected.
Only if there is money to be made.
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Too bad, China govt already start restructuring the property sector as they base on house is for living, not speculation principle.

So to follow Japan path will be unlikely.
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You're so optimistic. Haha OK.
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Looks like you're too optimistic China will fall anytime soon. We will see. Hahaha...
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Agree. They will survive definitely but bruised
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Looks like you're too optimistic China will fall anytime soon. We will see. Hahaha...
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Let's see 😄
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When??
Start over? Won't that be even higher cost given the current construction stage?
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I mean maintain the build but strip out the luxury stuff and price it lower. But I saw wrongly, the tower 1 has sold quite well. It’s the tower 2 that is slow selling.

Regardless this is such a capital intensive build and super luxury stuff is really being seen as quite unnecessary.
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Too bad, China govt already start restructuring the property sector as they base on house is for living, not speculation principle.

So to follow Japan path will be unlikely.
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The issue with the current China property market is it's based on speculation tho? Why do you think titans like Evergande and Country Gardens are facing financial difficulties right now? In the meanwhile, sure PBOC can cut loan prime rates to make it easier on mortgage payers but it doesn't solve the systemic issue that thousands of developments in China are stalling right now..
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This property got so many red flags yet ppl still wanna buy. Maiden project, young ceo, no HDA, unknown developer, 3-4k psft..what these buyers were thinking? Want all the style, hype and glamour in the end this what happen.
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QUOTE(puffyballzzz @ Aug 21 2022, 03:50 PM)
This property got so many red flags yet ppl still wanna buy. Maiden project, young ceo, no HDA, unknown developer, 3-4k psft..what these  buyers were thinking? Want all the style, hype and glamour in the end this what happen.
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It’s so much flash when in reality if you wanted to really dress up a 1 bedroom unit. 2-300k in reno would more than do the trick. People who can see through the gimmick will realise this is poor value.
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Despite all the negative comments, I believe this project wont be abandoned forever. Either developer appoint another contractor, or take over by another developer

If really abandoned then this is really Plaza Rakyat v2 considering the location
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at 3300psf here, wonder how one can compare this with banyan transacting at ONLY 2300psf with far better location and branding against this yoo
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When u buy the condo here, do you have kempinski on your address or with the sucky yoo name. banyan tree partial furnish wont result in 1k price diff la. all units same furniture will lead to 0 avenue for differentiation upon completion when renting or selling out.
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jun 20 2020, 11:16 PM)
I expect this to fare MUCH worse than banyan tree.

30-40% depreciation within 1-2 years post VP?

Location is quite inferior to BB also.
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1. 1064 units. Not sure how's that even low dense or luxurious.
2. No mention on how this is benchmarked against the other branded condos in Klcc.
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jun 21 2020, 01:55 AM)
If BB is matured and this has "potential", how can the price be much more than the matured area?

Moreover you're not buying Kemp residences. Your address will be yuuu😆
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Interesting to see comments like this before VP.
Real test upon VP is the subsale transacted value, rental returns and rental demand.
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I’m starting to think fully furnished doesn’t work for super high end units. If there’s one thing that rich people like is to be unique. Homogeneous design may not work for them but it works for low to mid range investment type units where it’s all bundled into the loan.

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The issue with the current China property market is it's based on speculation tho? Why do you think titans like Evergande and Country Gardens are facing financial difficulties right now? In the meanwhile, sure PBOC can cut loan prime rates to make it easier on mortgage payers but it doesn't solve the systemic issue that thousands of developments in China are stalling right now..
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So you mean China going to follow Japan path?

Do you know房住不炒that China govt already said more than 5 years? Not speculation?

So I assume you know Evergrande fundamental issue? It basically unsustainable for long run. If for other countries maybe can't solve. But this is China govt. 😉 They solved the problem 1 by 1 in front of the world. But the west just blindly chose not to see it.
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Agree. They will survive definitely but bruised
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 21 2022, 06:34 PM)
I’m starting to think fully furnished doesn’t work for super high end units. If there’s one thing that rich people like is to be unique. Homogeneous design may not work for them but it works for low to mid range investment type units where it’s all bundled into the loan.
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Hmmm this actually makes sense. However, for foreign buyers they do not want the hassle of furnishing the units. Ultimately, they would want a branded residence that they can stay in whenever they are in the country.
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At current mm2h requirement, few foreigners are interested. for the same amount of money, better to buy in thailand, cyprus, portugal, etc.

at 3k psf, most locals would choose landed in bukit damansara, bangsar.

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QUOTE(happyhaka @ Aug 21 2022, 11:44 PM)
Hmmm this actually makes sense. However, for foreign buyers they do not want the hassle of furnishing the units. Ultimately, they would want a branded residence that they can stay in whenever they are in the country.
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True also, having the convenience factor baked in. Paying Rm 2M+ for a 700 sqft place is still a lot of money especially when it’s so high above the median price point and more importantly will not hold its value. Many people assume the rich will buy something just because they can afford it. I can assure you it’s not true.

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at 3k psf, most locals would choose landed in bukit damansara, bangsar.
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The developer's generic response to the issue did not instill much confidence either.

1) No clarification on whether the suspension is true or false. If false, any action taken against The Edge?
2) No mention of the reason given by the main con for the suspension. Company's fault or contractor's fault? Has it been resolved?
3) "Shareholders remain firmly committed" but no mention of how? Pledging their hold co properties/personal wealth? New equity or loan?
4) "Continued to expect completion by 2023". Again, how? Already resolve the issue with main con? Already appoint/shortlist another contractor? Let's not forget that this is not the first time a suspension happens to this project. Original completion date was 2020, then changed to 2022 Q3 and now 2023?

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How to lelong when the unit is not even done?
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Genuine question, if buyer defaulted on the loan and the project is incomplete, what would the banks do to recover the money?
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Genuine question, if buyer defaulted on the loan and the project is incomplete, what would the banks do to recover the money?
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hopefully the developer able to sort this out with restructured loan. They are deep pockets but surely lack of developer experience.
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hopefully the developer able to sort this out with restructured loan. They are deep pockets but surely lack of developer experience.
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Well sometimes it’s no use flogging a dead horse. When you are priced 3X of a typical high end Malaysian property and only reliant on buyers not of the country. What justification is there? Malaysia is not a tax haven nor exactly a friendly place to get long term residency status so why the need to line the pocket of this fledgeling developer?

They need to pivot and they better do it quick. Locals who bought here - you should know better.

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hopefully the developer able to sort this out with restructured loan. They are deep pockets but surely lack of developer experience.
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How sure are you that they are deep pockets? Don't confuse this KSK with KLK.
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How sure are you that they are deep pockets? Don't confuse this KSK with KLK.
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it sounds like you know you pretty sure they are not. they have deep pockets.
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Umm it doesn’t make fiscal sense for any company to throw money at something that doesn’t work. Having money is one thing, investing in something that is not profitable is another.

Somehow people here thinking throwing good money after bad is the norm. How wrong they are…

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hopefully the developer able to sort this out with restructured loan. They are deep pockets but surely lack of developer experience.
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it sounds like you know you pretty sure they are not. they have deep pockets.
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If the developer has deep pocket, the project shouldn't stall and would complete on time; need bridging loan and default on bank loan is not deep pocket.



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I can still remember one of my friend who is a construction guru said that "the project should not suspend, otherwise the loss will be significant!"

I hope the buyers will be fine and the developer or someone will resolve the issue asap.

And regarding the China/HK property prices, I am not god, a economist or a real estate guru. It's complicated and there are manyyyyy factors.

!!!What I strong believe is that, our kids or next generation should NOT spend 60-70% of their income on housing mortgage for 30 to 40 years!!! Do you agree?
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I can still remember one of my friend who is a construction guru said that "the project should not suspend, otherwise the loss will be significant!"

I hope the buyers will be fine and the developer or someone will resolve the issue asap.

And regarding the China/HK property prices, I am not god, a economist or a real estate guru. It's complicated and there are manyyyyy factors. 

!!!What I strong believe is that, our kids or next generation should NOT spend 60-70% of their income on housing mortgage for 30 to 40 years!!!  Do you agree?
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The problem is that this is a product mismatch. Would you continue building something that no one will or can afford to buy? They are backed into a corner. If they lower prices now, the initial batch of VIPs will be pissed.

For all we know, the initial buyers may be looking to get out of their purchase also if they don’t see the value anymore.
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QUOTE(yushk @ Aug 22 2022, 09:57 PM)
I can still remember one of my friend who is a construction guru said that "the project should not suspend, otherwise the loss will be significant!"

I hope the buyers will be fine and the developer or someone will resolve the issue asap.

And regarding the China/HK property prices, I am not god, a economist or a real estate guru. It's complicated and there are manyyyyy factors. 

!!!What I strong believe is that, our kids or next generation should NOT spend 60-70% of their income on housing mortgage for 30 to 40 years!!!  Do you agree?
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Indeed, good to be lower % mortgage loan. More money can spend on others. If they speculate it that will be at their own risk.

With new technology a 15 storey highrise can be built within 2 weeks. It could be possible to build a 30 or 40 storey highrise within few months. No more 3 to 4 years building cost and waiting.
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QUOTE(yushk @ Aug 22 2022, 09:57 PM)
I can still remember one of my friend who is a construction guru said that "the project should not suspend, otherwise the loss will be significant!"

I hope the buyers will be fine and the developer or someone will resolve the issue asap.

And regarding the China/HK property prices, I am not god, a economist or a real estate guru. It's complicated and there are manyyyyy factors. 

!!!What I strong believe is that, our kids or next generation should NOT spend 60-70% of their income on housing mortgage for 30 to 40 years!!!  Do you agree?
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The problem is that this is a product mismatch. Would you continue building something that no one will or can afford to buy? They are backed into a corner. If they lower prices now, the initial batch of VIPs will be pissed.

For all we know, the initial buyers may be looking to get out of their purchase also if they don’t see the value anymore.
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it sounds like you know you pretty sure they are not. they have deep pockets.
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Well, back in 2012, when they were still known as Kurnia, they sold their main business, which is the insurance business in Malaysia for RM1.63 billion. Subsequently, they got delisted and acquire the 8 Conlay land for RM568 million. 8 Conlay has a GDV of RM5.4 billion. Assuming a profit margin of 25%, the Gross Development Costs will be ~RM4.0 billion. Simple mathematics: 1.63 billion/(568 million+4 billion) = ~35%. This means the development is 35% equity funded and 65% debt funded. This gearing ratio is considered high already in this industry. This also yet to take into account their land holding costs and admin expenses all these years.

Now, where is your evidence or reasoning that they have deep pockets? Empty can rings the loudest?

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Overambitious developer e.g m@mm@th emp@r@ often stumble.
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One has to be so wary of these first time developers. They bite off more than they can chew and it ends in failure and tears. This is a very ambitious one too.
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One has to be so wary of these first time developers. They bite off more than they can chew and it ends in failure and tears. This is a very ambitious one too.
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If the developer has deep pocket, the project shouldn't stall and would complete on time; need bridging loan and default on bank loan is not deep pocket.
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And this is not the first time a main contractor suspends the construction of this project. Back in 2020, the previous main contractor, MCCOM, a Chinese-state owned entity, which is also the contractor for Sunway Velocity, Tropicana Avenue, Platinum Arena etc. also did the same. If it happens one time, can give this developer the benefit of doubt, but to happen again, something must be wrong. Why other projects by the same main contractors can proceed but not 8 Conlay?
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Well in a way. This is a very singular committed development. It’s a do or die type scenario. If they walk away, then it’s game over for their brand.

In my mind, their background is actuarial and insurance so very by the numbers. Luxury marketing is a whole different ball game. There’s only 3 branded residences in Malaysia.
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Well in a way. This is a very singular committed development. It’s a do or die type scenario. If they walk away, then it’s game over for their brand.

In my mind, their background is actuarial and insurance so very by the numbers. Luxury marketing is a whole different ball game. There’s only 3 branded residences in Malaysia.
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In your opinion, may i know which 3 Branded residence in Malaysia?   smile.gif
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I’m just quoting the CEO of KSK. But of the top of my head, Banyan Tree and Ritz Carlton.

Uncle Google says 4 Seasons and St Regis as well so 4 completed. Yoo, Ascott and Sofitel are the upcoming ones.

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Usually, if the main con quits, it could be due to the following.

1. Payment stuck or not forthcoming.
2. Too many changes and cannot charge VO or VO payment denied.
3. Financial difficulty for the main con.

Problems can escalate due to 1 and 3 where even the sub con also quit or not send enough workers to complete the job. Most agreements with sub-con never state anything about late payment. All will have LAD for late completion or poor-quality work.

End of the day, it is always the sub-con losing out. Many were either enterprise or small partnership companies. Suing the main con is usually the last resort but could take years to settle. And in this case, the main con parked this project under a separate entity to avoid legal problems later.

I did various projects with main cons before and after getting burned by 2 previously, I am now wary of their tactics. Any meetings will have voice recordings, videos, and pictures. Any contracts need to refer to a lawyer. All works need to be documented with pictures, videos, and signatures from the main PICs.

Just recently, I have decided to stop work for one of the sites due to non-payment of over 6 months! The main con threatened to sue but I counter back with voice recordings and documents. They can sue but all the ingredients will be public knowledge. I told them to release the payment for all works done even partially also ok. But until today, still cannot do so.

For this project, 2 main cons quit so it must be something fishy going on there...

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Going through Google and social medias for the company... i dont know is it just me but the whole company seems more like a publicity platform for the CEO rather than a property developer. Money spent on luxury events when the building is not even done?

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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Aug 23 2022, 10:05 AM)
And this is not the first time a main contractor suspends the construction of this project. Back in 2020, the previous main contractor, MCCOM, a Chinese-state owned entity, which is also the contractor for Sunway Velocity, Tropicana Avenue, Platinum Arena etc. also did the same. If it happens one time, can give this developer the benefit of doubt, but to happen again, something must be wrong. Why other projects by the same main contractors can proceed but not 8 Conlay?
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Aug 23 2022, 12:05 PM)
Going through Google and social medias for the company... i dont know is it just me but the whole company seems more like a publicity platform for the CEO rather than a property developer. Money spent on luxury events when the building is not even done?
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Knowing how to spend doesn't mean is wealthy, many borrowed to spend, to impress others.

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Aug 23 2022, 12:05 PM)
Going through Google and social medias for the company... i dont know is it just me but the whole company seems more like a publicity platform for the CEO rather than a property developer. Money spent on luxury events when the building is not even done?
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They wanna play in this luxury lifestyle segment then they have to spend on frivolous things unfortunately. One can be smart about it but it’s a necessary evil.
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Usually, if the main con quits, it could be due to the following.

1. Payment stuck or not forthcoming.
2. Too many changes and cannot charge VO or VO payment denied.
3. Financial difficulty for the main con.

Problems can escalate due to 1 and 3 where even the sub con also quit or not send enough workers to complete the job. Most agreements with sub-con never state anything about late payment. All will have LAD for late completion or poor-quality work.

End of the day, it is always the sub-con losing out. Many were either enterprise or small partnership companies. Suing the main con is usually the last resort but could take years to settle. And in this case, the main con parked this project under a separate entity to avoid legal problems later.

I did various projects with main cons before and after getting burned by 2 previously, I am now wary of their tactics. Any meetings will have voice recordings, videos, and pictures. Any contracts need to refer to a lawyer. All works need to be documented with pictures, videos, and signatures from the main PICs.

Just recently, I have decided to stop work for one of the sites due to non-payment of over 6 months! The main con threatened to sue but I counter back with voice recordings and documents. They can sue but all the ingredients will be public knowledge. I told them to release the payment for all works done even partially also ok. But until today, still cannot do so.

For this project, 2 main cons quit so it must be something fishy going on there...
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After two main contractors left prematurely, won't be easy to find the third. for a 3rd party qs and consultants to assess will take time also. selling to another developer is a option but given how much face the developer has splashed on this project, it won't be easy for the family to let go.

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After two main contractors left prematurely, won't be easy to find the third. for a 3rd party qs and consultants to assess will take time also. selling to another developer is a option but given how much face the developer has splashed on this project, it won't be easy for the family to let go.
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Ya, I could not believe they still have the face to come out and make the statement that the project is not suspended and they expect completion by 2023. They think people are so stupid to believe whatever they say? One youtuber even use drone to shoot their site and guess what, not a single worker spotted!

They are most definitely going to eat their words come 2023.
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Ya, I could not believe they still have the face to come out and make the statement that the project is not suspended and they expect completion by 2023. They think people are so stupid to believe whatever they say? One youtuber even use drone to shoot their site and guess what, not a single worker spotted!

They are most definitely going to eat their words come 2023.
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Umm it doesn’t make fiscal sense for any company to throw money at something that doesn’t work. Having money is one thing, investing in something that is not profitable is another.

Somehow people here thinking throwing good money after bad is the norm. How wrong they are…
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You are right on this, deep pocket doesn't mean they will throw money at it. my earlier comments are if they restructured the loan, the bank will want more equity. And only if they restructured the loan, bank will continue to lend if they have cash and of course willing to put in additional equity interest
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If the developer has deep pocket, the project shouldn't stall and would complete on time; need bridging loan and default on bank loan is not deep pocket.
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Even genting gets bridging loan and higher debt equity ratio for any of its projects as high as possible. tell me genting is not deep pocket. then you are?
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Even genting gets bridging loan and higher debt equity ratio for any of its projects as high as possible. tell me genting is not deep pocket. then you are?
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Genting malaysia didn't default on bank loan.
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Genting Cruises did. My point is subsidiaries can be left to die if there’s no further viability. This is risk mitigation 101.

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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Aug 23 2022, 10:35 AM)
Well, back in 2012, when they were still known as Kurnia, they sold their main business, which is the insurance business in Malaysia for RM1.63 billion. Subsequently, they got delisted and acquire the 8 Conlay land for RM568 million. 8 Conlay has a GDV of RM5.4 billion. Assuming a profit margin of 25%, the Gross Development Costs will be ~RM4.0 billion. Simple mathematics: 1.63 billion/(568 million+4 billion) = ~35%. This means the development is 35% equity funded and 65% debt funded. This gearing ratio is considered high already in this industry. This also yet to take into account their land holding costs and admin expenses all these years.

Now, where is your evidence or reasoning that they have deep pockets? Empty can rings the loudest?
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Well, everyone can do that background check from googling, thats all you got from Kurnia sale, do you mean they have just kurnia in their pocket? do you know their family background ? basic mathematics and debt equity, gearing ratio are not evidence and doesn't make you less quiet than empty. get it?
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Genting Cruises did. My point is subsidiaries can be left to die if there’s no further viability. This is risk mitigation 101.
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cut loss. they are still deep pocket.
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As the developer is not a plc, bank loan of this amount is certain to have personal guarantee. with personal guarantee, cut loss is not by way of loan default.

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As the developer is not a plc, bank loan of this amount is certain to have personal guarantee. with personal guarantee, cut loss is not by way of loan default.
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Genting doesn't even accept parent corporate guarantee if any subsi ask for it. Personal guarantee, forget it.
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QUOTE(cannible @ Aug 24 2022, 03:53 PM)
Well, everyone can do that background check from googling, thats all you got from Kurnia sale, do you mean they have just kurnia in their pocket? do you know their family background ? basic mathematics and debt equity, gearing ratio are not evidence and doesn't make you less quiet than empty. get it?
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Well, at least that is what I gathered based on publicly available information. I am not going to pay money to get those private report, ssm report etc. just to argue with you. But you talk so much, what are their other major assets? How much is their family net worth? If you don't have those info, then again its an empty talk.

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35th richest man in Malaysia back in 2019. Net worth of $420 million, pocket deep enough to save 8 Conlay?
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Well, back in 2012, when they were still known as Kurnia, they sold their main business, which is the insurance business in Malaysia for RM1.63 billion. Subsequently, they got delisted and acquire the 8 Conlay land for RM568 million. 8 Conlay has a GDV of RM5.4 billion. Assuming a profit margin of 25%, the Gross Development Costs will be ~RM4.0 billion. Simple mathematics: 1.63 billion/(568 million+4 billion) = ~35%. This means the development is 35% equity funded and 65% debt funded. This gearing ratio is considered high already in this industry. This also yet to take into account their land holding costs and admin expenses all these years.

Now, where is your evidence or reasoning that they have deep pockets? Empty can rings the loudest?
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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Aug 24 2022, 06:26 PM)
https://www.forbes.com/profile/kua-sian-koo...sh=46493cde32af

35th richest man in Malaysia back in 2019. Net worth of $420 million, pocket deep enough to save 8 Conlay?
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No millionaire would pledge their personal wealth towards this. They should have JV for this scale of project.

Nonetheless a good case study for dynastic wealth family businesses and what not to do.

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ksk is not genting or lkt.
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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Aug 24 2022, 07:10 PM)
Well, at least that is what I gathered based on publicly available information. I am not going to pay money to get those private report, ssm report etc. just to argue with you. But you talk so much, what are their other major assets? How much is their family net worth? If you don't have those info, then again its an empty talk.
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don't snap. i am just saying if you just don't know how deep pocket some one is, then don't act like you know. Nobody will blame you if you don't engage money for a proper background check. it all can be libellous statement.
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 24 2022, 07:14 PM)
No millionaire would pledge their personal wealth towards this. They should have JV for this scale of project.

Nonetheless a good case study for dynastic wealth family businesses and what not to do.
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Their liabilities is likely higher than outstanding bank loan.

Had they JV with the China state owned main contractor, the development would probably vped.

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A RM 5 billion GDV project is humongous by any standard let alone for a first time developer which is privately owned.

The rapid interest rate rises will impact them just like everyone else. And of course the price hikes in construction costs.

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QUOTE(cannible @ Aug 24 2022, 07:29 PM)
don't snap. i am just saying if you just don't know how deep pocket some one is, then don't act like you know. Nobody will blame you if you don't engage money for a proper background check. it all can be libellous statement.
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Lol man, same to you, if you don't know how much they have, do not simply claim that they are deep pocket. Libelous just by questioning whether they are really deep pocket? You really make me laugh so hard.
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Why so much agro on the forums nowadays? All the poor SAs coming out of the woodworks to defend their projects. Wish they had a bit more finesse.
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8 conlay is revived : 8 conlay
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KSK Land’s shareholders remain firmly committed to 8 Conlay.

This is not revived my friend.

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KSK Land’s shareholders remain firmly committed to 8 Conlay. Despite the pandemic challenges, there has been steady progress in the YOO8 Branded Residences – Tower A which is currently at 60.31% completion with 100% completion of structural work and 85% of architectural work as of 3 August.

As a lifestyle and property design developer, KSK Land leads the way with transparency in construction progress through data-driven solutions and cutting-edge proptech. KSK Land’s unique 8 Conlay App details construction progress down to the unit level – a first-of-its-kind feature. This information is also available on discover.8conlay.com.

YOO8 branded residences’ steady construction progress and the 8 Conlay App have boosted KSK Land’s shareholders’ and 8 Conlay buyers’ confidence.

KSK Land continues to expect the completion of YOO8 Tower A by early 2023 and subsequently, YOO8 Tower B by the end of 2023. This will be followed by the completion of the retail podium, expected within the first half of 2023 while the 8 Conlay Kempinski Hotel is expecting completion within the first half of 2024.

The show units for YOO8 Tower B designed by Kelly Hoppen for YOO are available for viewing at the 8 Conlay Sales Gallery located in Bangunan KSK, Jalan Yap Ah Shak, Kuala Lumpur.
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QUOTE(mightyasian @ Aug 25 2022, 04:30 PM)
KSK Land’s shareholders remain firmly committed to 8 Conlay.

This is not revived my friend.
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no mer? you got read the content? they even say this wor :KSK Land continues to expect the completion of YOO8 Tower A by early 2023 and subsequently, YOO8 Tower B by the end of 2023. This will be followed by the completion of the retail podium, expected within the first half of 2023 while the 8 Conlay Kempinski Hotel is expecting completion within the first half of 2024.
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QUOTE(patpatpatpat @ Aug 25 2022, 04:35 PM)
no mer? you got read the content? they even say this wor :KSK Land continues to expect the completion of YOO8 Tower A by early 2023 and subsequently, YOO8 Tower B by the end of 2023. This will be followed by the completion of the retail podium, expected within the first half of 2023 while the 8 Conlay Kempinski Hotel is expecting completion within the first half of 2024.
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The news release has no substance. until a new main contractor is appointed and start work else is talk only, nothing will happen.

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QUOTE(patpatpatpat @ Aug 25 2022, 04:35 PM)
no mer? you got read the content? they even say this wor :KSK Land continues to expect the completion of YOO8 Tower A by early 2023 and subsequently, YOO8 Tower B by the end of 2023. This will be followed by the completion of the retail podium, expected within the first half of 2023 while the 8 Conlay Kempinski Hotel is expecting completion within the first half of 2024.
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Yes I did, the entire claim basically developer syok sendiri until a new main contractor is appointed, as highlighted by iceman
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QUOTE(patpatpatpat @ Aug 25 2022, 04:35 PM)
no mer? you got read the content? they even say this wor :KSK Land continues to expect the completion of YOO8 Tower A by early 2023 and subsequently, YOO8 Tower B by the end of 2023. This will be followed by the completion of the retail podium, expected within the first half of 2023 while the 8 Conlay Kempinski Hotel is expecting completion within the first half of 2024.
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The news talk about shareholders support 8 conlay. But the one constructing and doing the labor work is not shareholders.
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i see... get misleading by the article. thanks for the clarification.
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Usually this kind of "pull hand brake" scenario implies that the developer / client is a bad paymaster. No main contractor will pull hand brake to offend the client/ developer for no reason. For the main contractor to arrive at this point = they have very strong paperwork / evidences that the client/ developer have breached the contract & situation are in favor for the main contractor.

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One solution to complete the project is to sell the hotel block. And the developer may incur losses and lost of face, a very bitter pill.

Sg obs, Thai cpb and Thai CG could be interested.


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QUOTE(nihility @ Aug 25 2022, 06:40 PM)
Usually this kind of "pull hand brake" scenario implies that the developer / client is a bad paymaster. No main contractor will pull hand brake to offend the client/ developer for no reason. For the main contractor to arrive at this point = they have very strong paperwork / evidences that the client/ developer have breached the contract & situation are in favor for the main contractor.
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Money in owner’s pocket… I thinks is very difficult for main contractor to get the outstanding… Better write off rather than keep bleeding
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 25 2022, 07:25 PM)
One solution to complete the project is to sell the hotel block. And the developer may incur losses and lost of face, a very bitter pill.

Sg obs, Thai cpb and Thai CG could be interested.
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They may well have to. The main TRX buildings cost about 9 bn and 118 is about 5 bn. These are government agencies to boot. For a private company to take on a 5 bn project as a first timer is madness. They simply won’t have the same tolerance of loss.
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 25 2022, 07:38 PM)
They may well have to. The main TRX buildings cost about 9 bn and 118 is about 5 bn. These are government agencies to boot. For a private company to take on a 5 bn project as a first timer is madness. They simply won’t have the same tolerance of loss.
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Everyday delay in completion, loan interest is mounting and site conditions deteriorate i.e will cost more to complete.
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QUOTE(nihility @ Aug 25 2022, 06:40 PM)
Usually this kind of "pull hand brake" scenario implies that the developer / client is a bad paymaster. No main contractor will pull hand brake to offend the client/ developer for no reason. For the main contractor to arrive at this point = they have very strong paperwork / evidences that the client/ developer have breached the contract & situation are in favor for the main contractor.
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This does make sense. You wouldn't want to offend the company that gives you business is a general logic. They would have thought and discussed about it so many times before undertaking such action. After doing this stop work order it seems like they are already prepared to not continue the contract.
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too ambitious project but i really prefer to stay in quieter area with less tourist n traffic jam... architecture loook good looo ..

too designer for me the interior hahaha .. they spent a lot on marketing n now so kerlian ar..
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QUOTE(flautist @ Aug 26 2022, 01:23 AM)
too ambitious project but i really prefer to stay in quieter area with less tourist n traffic jam...
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When you are young (say below 35 or 40), you probably will like a vibrant place close within or close to the city centre or vibrant suburban areas with huge shopping malls & commercial areas.

But once you are beyond the abovementioned age, you probably prefer quiter suburban neighborhoods, but with easy access to nearby commercial areas / shopping malls (e.g. 10 min drive)

well, this is true at least for me, and many people I know
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QUOTE(jolmy @ Aug 26 2022, 11:42 AM)
When you are young (say below 35 or 40), you probably will like a vibrant place close within or close to the city centre or vibrant suburban areas with huge shopping malls & commercial areas.

But once you are beyond the abovementioned age, you probably prefer quiter suburban neighborhoods, but with easy access to nearby commercial areas / shopping malls (e.g. 10 min drive)

well, this is true at least for me, and many people I know
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A group that hasn’t been looked at in much detail are the perennial career singles or single retirees. It will become much more of a norm in years to come. They are appreciating city life a lot more.
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QUOTE(jolmy @ Aug 26 2022, 11:42 AM)
When you are young (say below 35 or 40), you probably will like a vibrant place close within or close to the city centre or vibrant suburban areas with huge shopping malls & commercial areas.

But once you are beyond the abovementioned age, you probably prefer quiter suburban neighborhoods, but with easy access to nearby commercial areas / shopping malls (e.g. 10 min drive)

well, this is true at least for me, and many people I know
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actually so wish can stay in those new york city or melbourne wat .. go out many cafe and shops... wub.gif but here city centre so busy and hectic plus so 'chap' (rojak)... no good feeling.. BB/sg wang area full of dodgy massage place or arab stuff.. takkan just go pavilion only..
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 26 2022, 11:57 AM)
A group that hasn’t been looked at in much detail are the perennial career singles or single retirees. It will become much more of a norm in years to come. They are appreciating city life a lot more.
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How many in number and %?
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How many in number and %?
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Don’t have an answer for you. Gotta refer to demographic studies. It’s anecdotal because those are the circles I hang in.

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HLIB Research downgrades GDB to ‘Sell’ call

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2022/08/24/...-sell-call/amp/
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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Aug 25 2022, 10:23 AM)
Lol man, same to you, if you don't know how much they have, do not simply claim that they are deep pocket. Libelous just by questioning whether they are really deep pocket? You really make me laugh so hard.
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if i don't know why would I waste time with you here. actually is a waste of time with you. i know that's why I said you don't know. get that. just too young too shallow. again didnt mince my word, you are being libelous not just about the questioning, is about simply putting things completely in your perspective (don't forget you made your basic calculation) then you make your conclusion.
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Apa status now ? Or they busy with more marketing events ?
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Actually the woes could be with the contractors themselves. Until someone sheds some light on what is going on, we’re all speculating.

Fixed price contracts have come to the fore as being a big issue for many large scale construction projects.

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QUOTE(cannible @ Aug 24 2022, 05:29 AM)
don't snap. i am just saying if you just don't know how deep pocket some one is, then don't act like you know. Nobody will blame you if you don't engage money for a proper background check. it all can be libellous statement.
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if deep pocket why suddenly stop project? come out in all the papers. not the first time got major issues like this.
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QUOTE(cannible @ Aug 27 2022, 07:00 PM)
if i don't know why would I waste time with you here. actually is a waste of time with you. i know that's why I said you don't know. get that. just too young too shallow. again didnt mince my word, you are being libelous not just about the questioning, is about simply putting things completely in your perspective (don't forget you made your basic calculation) then you make your conclusion.
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I voiced my opinion based on publicly available information and I welcome those with deeper knowledge and better insights to prove me wrong. I am not an insider and this company is a private company, so I can only make my own assumptions for certain things. Just by making some calculations is considered libelous? Then all analysts, content creator, bloggers should be sued in court because they do this all the time.

I asked you where is your evidence? What are their other assets? How much is their net worth? If you can provide those answers, then I can check back my assumptions and admit that I am wrong. But you never answer any of the questions. Just because you say you know, everyone should believe in you?

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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Aug 29 2022, 11:09 AM)
I voiced my opinion based on publicly available information and I welcome those with deeper knowledge and better insights to prove me wrong. I am not an insider and this company is a private company, so I can only make my own assumptions for certain things. Just by making some calculations is considered libelous? Then all analysts, content creator, bloggers should be sued in court because they do this all the time.

I asked you where is your evidence? What are their other assets? How much is their net worth? If you can provide those answers, then I can check back my assumptions and admit that I am wrong. But you never answer any of the questions. Just because you say you know, everyone should believe in you?

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Apa status now ? Or they busy with more marketing events ?
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their ig show many festive or artistic event... really got budget for dat .. but building stop? thumbsup.gif rclxs0.gif
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i dont see any chance of fallen... the location is too good to be collapse
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Hopefully yes. Could be like another Crest Residence issue near klcc last time.
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https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3287613

Pertaining to the publications by some news outlets on the status of works in 8 Conlay Project, the Board of Directors of GDB wishes to make an announcement that Grand Dynamic Builders Sdn. Bhd. (“GDBSB”), a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company had served a suspension notice to Damai City Sdn. Bhd. (“DCSB”) on 16 August 2022, which is pursuant to and within the terms stipulated in the agreement and contract.

Both GDBSB and DCSB are in talks with the aim of resolving the matter amicably.

The Company will make the necessary announcement upon any significant development.

This announcement is dated 29 August 2022.
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Who is lying now? Developer says not facing suspension, main contractor announced to Bursa that it has served suspension notice.
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Who is lying now? Developer says not facing suspension, main contractor announced to Bursa that it has served suspension notice.
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I take announcement to Bursa as the most accurate information.
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QUOTE(Timmy Tan @ Aug 30 2022, 10:13 AM)
Who is lying now? Developer says not facing suspension, main contractor announced to Bursa that it has served suspension notice.
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Rule of thumb is always refer to news posted on mostly reputable one, bursa, theedge. Not some I know you don't know insider news.

Fact is the news already in and further supported by fact thay work already stop and no progress.
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QUOTE(kwpp123 @ Aug 29 2022, 09:18 PM)
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Of course won't collapse. But may take ages to complete.

Just like another empire city.

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Of course won't collapse. But may take ages to complete.

Just like another empire city.
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Rule of thumb is always refer to news posted on mostly reputable one, bursa, theedge. Not some I know you don't know insider news.

Fact is the news already in and further supported by fact thay work already stop and no progress.
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P R is really die already...not this
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If profit could be made, there will be white knight. However, how much losses/hair cut the developer is willing to take.

New owner may has different concept and idea.

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Any update on the current progress? Or i shld say any progress?
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GDB Holdings Bhd is suing developer KSK Land Sdn Bhd to recover RM120.69 million that the builder claims is the sum it is owed by KSK Land's unit. #myedgeprop
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The name also buruk d. Con9lay
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GDB Holdings Bhd is suing developer KSK Land Sdn Bhd to recover RM120.69 million that the builder claims is the sum it is owed by KSK Land's unit. #myedgeprop
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For the second main contractor to suspend works, the developer is financially stretched. won't be easy to find the third main contractor.

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For the second main contractor to suspend works, the developer is financially stretched. won't be easy to find the third main contractor.
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This really does not bode well. Whatever fancy imported materials and fixtures you have promised are not feasible with the rapidly diminishing RM.

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Any updates on current situation/progress??
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This really does not bode well. Whatever fancy imported materials and fixtures you have promised are not feasible with the rapidly diminishing RM.
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If couldn't pay main contractors, unlikely able to pay foreign suppliers.

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Too ambitious. Inexperienced developer. There's possibility that this project will be abondoned looking at the debt to main con and low take-up of the units. Moreover, the nama ady busuk, dont think there will be new buyer on the remaining vacant units (which is alot) and it's not easy to get new main con to take over. Foresee that this project wont jalan back unless new developer takes over.
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Case study - is 3k psf high rises viable or not? Was it a case of bad timing or completely mismatched product? Or simply poor project management?
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Will end up as rotten tail construction.

Whatever imported fixtures and materials will rot by the time the construction resumes if ever.
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Parking for new update
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By the time you actually edit and fill in content you won’t come up on top of the thread and it fails to update anyone on anything unless they specifically go into the thread.

So don’t do moronic things for attention.
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Case study - is 3k psf high rises viable or not? Was it a case of bad timing or completely mismatched product? Or simply poor project management?
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Main con pun x bayar. Buyers pun foreigners. Foreigners pun tight finance you think they are able to buy markup price project. Too many stupid people in this world which do not deserve sympathy at all. Developers just wind up and open new company whilst idiot buyer is the one suffering

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QUOTE(Medusakia @ Oct 16 2022, 12:46 AM)
Main con pun x bayar. Buyers pun foreigners. Foreigners pun tight finance you think they are able to buy markup price project. Too many stupid people in this world which do not deserve sympathy at all. Developers just wind up and open new company whilst idiot buyer is the one suffering
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Well it’s interesting to note due process if foreign buyers were to walk away from a purchase and simply stop paying anything. It was happening in China and of course there’s limited recourse for a local bank to go after a foreigner and that may have impacted funding.
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Oct 16 2022, 05:46 AM)
Well it’s interesting to note due process if foreign buyers were to walk away from a purchase and simply stop paying anything. It was happening in China and of course there’s limited recourse for a local bank to go after a foreigner and that may have impacted funding.
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Mostly they are cash buyer local banks would not simply loan them.
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Is this dead or are there any saviours?

First time developers are a big problem. They should start small rather than build super ambitious projects.
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Shud just stick to kurnia insurance la..

Now panai panai sell inso bis.. and fresh in property 1st one ad play luxury ..

Haha.. somemore delisted the company.. now want raise fund to finish the construction also tak boleh lo
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Nov 19 2022, 08:37 PM)
Shud just stick to kurnia insurance la..

Now panai panai sell inso bis.. and fresh in property 1st one ad play luxury ..

Haha.. somemore delisted the company.. now want raise fund to finish the construction also tak boleh lo
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Nov 19 2022, 08:25 AM)
Is this dead or are there any saviours?

First time developers are a big problem. They should start small rather than build super ambitious projects.
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that's true though. first time developers should build rumahwip rm300k. easier rather than high-end projects
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that's true though. first time developers should build rumahwip rm300k. easier rather than high-end projects
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No la they don’t have to go down that low. But this is a 5 bn project almost on par with Mammoth Empire. These are simply too massive.

Can do a small boutique super luxury block also. And phase out the rest of the mixed development. People never learn from Mammoth.
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No la they don’t have to go down that low. But this is a 5 bn project almost on par with Mammoth Empire. These are simply too massive.

Can do a small boutique super luxury block also. And phase out the rest of the mixed development. People never learn from Mammoth.
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(Kuala Lumpur 3rd News) GDB Holdings (GDB, 0198, Main Board Construction Group) the main contractor for the 8 Conlay project in the center of Kuala Lumpur, which was unexpectedly stopped. The company was sued by the subcontractor and claimed nearly 30 million ringgit.

GDB Holdings said in a statement that its wholly-owned subsidiary Grand Dynamic Construction Sdn Bhd (GDBSB) has received a notice of arbitration from Syarikat Ong Yoke Lin.

The aforementioned arbitration is related to the subcontracted works of the 8 Conlay project.

According to the notice of arbitration, Weng Yulin Company requested GDBSB to pay a sum of RM8,794,676.94 and compensate RM20,166,695.33 for the suspension of the project.

At the same time, Weng Yulin Company also requested GDBSB to pay 8% annual interest on the amount of the arbitration award from the date of default to the date of full payment and settlement, and 5% annual interest on the amount of the arbitration award from the date of award to the date of full settlement.

The GDBSB intends to contest the said notice of arbitration and has appointed a Malaysian law firm to represent and assist in the case.

GDB Holdings stated that if there is any major development in the future, more details will be announced in due course.

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20230104/8-conla...5%943%E5%8D%83/
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Jang jang. The saga continues. Welcome to the exciting world of lawsuits and counter lawsuits.


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Just sharing what l read from this heads-up..maybe false hope.... Suggest buyers to verify further with the respective parties...

https://www.chinapress.com.my/20230109/gdb%...a4%8d%e5%b7%a5/

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Resume work liao.

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provided Damai City meets the agreed terms and settles the outstanding amounts as scheduled. And continue to fund it.

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Once upon a time, there was an ambitious skyscraper complex in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia initiated during the 1990s. The skyscraper complex is known as "Plaza Rakyat" and still under construction like laputa's castle in the sky


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Yes seem main con being terminated due to renegotiation failure, developer claim already have ready main con to come in let’s wait what happen next

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This project barraged with problems and the biggest joke they they are in discussion with Conlay Construction as their new main con.. goodluck to you buyers.
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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...b-for-8-conlay/

KSK Land terminates RM1.25bil contract with GDB for 8 Conlay

PETALING JAYA: KSK Land Sdn Bhd (KSK), the developer of the luxury 8 Conlay project in Kuala Lumpur, has decided to terminate its contract with Grand Dynamic Builders Sdn Bhd (GDBSB), a subsidiary of GDB Holdings Bhd.

In a statement today, KSK said the difficult decision to terminate the contract between Damai City Sdn Bhd (DCSB), a wholly-owned subsidiary of KSK Land Sdn Bhd, and GDBSB, follows a failure to achieve “agreeable solutions to various disputes”.

“(These issues were in relation to) construction site matters over a period of the last nine months, including scope of work, construction programme, and financial instalment payments following the Covid-19 pandemic,” it said.

Throughout the process of discussions, KSK said there has also been an increasing number of conditions imposed by GDBSB, culminating in a series of demands communicated on April 4.

“In the communication, GDBSB requested for DCSB to novate all existing nominated subcontractors (NSCs) within a two-week period, and to take on all liabilities and responsibilities thereafter as well as for any matters arising prior to the determination of the NSCs,” it said.

GDBSB had also asked to be removed from the main builder works, and for DCSB to pay for the loss of profits arising from that.

“These stipulations are extremely one-sided and unreasonable on the part of GDBSB as 8 Conlay’s main contractor, and despite best efforts to find a viable solution for each matter, it has become impossible for KSK and DCSB to accommodate or fulfil them,” it added.

Since then, KSK has been in discussion with new potential contractors, including Conlay Construction Sdn Bhd.

8 Conlay is a luxury mixed-use development comprising a four-storey retail block, the Kempinski Hotel in Malaysia, and two residential towers.

In a Bursa filing today, GDB Holdings announced they received a copy of the notice of determination (termination) from DCSB for the 8 Conlay project. It added DCSB’s notice of determination is considered by the GDB directors to be wrongful.

In response, GDBSB exercised its right to immediately determine the contract and has served a notice of determination dated April 19 to DCSB.

GDB said the execution of the determination is expected to have a material impact on the group’s earnings, net assets and net asset per share for the current financial year ending Dec 31, 2023.

Splitting after a tumultuous relationship

KSK and GDBSB had faced difficulties in their partnership early on. On Oct 6 last year, GDBSB filed a writ of summons and letter of claim against KSK at the Kuala Lumpur High Court.

GDBSB had claimed a total outstanding sum of RM120.69 million due in connection with the corporate guarantee made by KSK in favour of GDBSB.

It contended that KSK was in breach of its obligations under the corporate guarantee when it failed, refused and/or neglected to honour the corporate guarantee and effect payment for RM120.69 million.

Prior to this, GDBSB had served DCSB a suspension notice for works on the 8 Conlay project on Aug 16, 2022.

The suspension was lifted this year on Jan 9, with GDBSB set to recommence facade work for Tower A following the receipt of the partial payment of the outstanding sum from DCSB.

In a Bursa filing on Jan 9, the group said the full resumption of construction under the project was scheduled for early April, subject to the full settlement of the outstanding sums payable to GDBSB by DCSB.

The writ of summons and letter of claim was later withdrawn on March 21, according to a Bursa filing by GDB.

The contract for 8 Conlay

To recap, GDBSB accepted the letter of award (LoA) for the 8 Conlay project on Nov 9, 2020 to be the main contractor.

The contract sum in the LoA was RM1.25 billion with a commencement date of Nov 23, 2020.

With an original overall construction duration of 34 months, the project was scheduled for completion by September.

The project involved the construction of three tower blocks, which were the remainder of the building works for 8 Conlay, which is situated along Jalan Conlay in the heart of KL.

For the financial year ended Dec 31, 2022, GDB posted a net profit of RM17.2 million, down 39% from the previous year.

The lower profit is attributed to an increase in construction material prices and labour costs and higher project preliminaries and staff costs due to prolonged contract durations as a result of the pandemic.

“The group’s outstanding order book stood at RM1.28 billion as at Dec 31, 2022, which provides earnings visibility until the financial year ending Dec 31, 2024,” said GDB.

This outstanding order book consists of construction works for the newly-secured contract to build a logistic hub in Persiaran Bukit Raja, Klang.

The order book also includes Park Regent in Desa ParkCity and 8 Conlay as well as the sub-contract for bored piling works at Bandar Kuala Lumpur.

GDB’s share price fell 3 sen or 15% to 16 sen today, giving it a market capitalisation of RM154.7 million.
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This project barraged with problems and the biggest joke they they are in discussion with Conlay Construction as their new main con.. goodluck to you buyers.
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Who is here to play victim?

Just go back to the root lo who is the cutie paymaster 😊
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I assume the buyers of this project are all rich folks and this is just another investment (albeit a troubled one). Not much grumblings and protesting going on in the media by the public on this. Hopefully no average folk dumped all their hard earned savings in this project.... when i look at what is going on, there will be a lot of cost cutting going on since profit margins have been shrinking since the launch period. Probably to get the same bathtub, RM cost will have gone up like 3 x ... sigh
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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Apr 20 2023, 02:54 PM)
I assume the buyers of this project are all rich folks and this is just another investment (albeit a troubled one). Not much grumblings and protesting going on in the media by the public on this. Hopefully no average folk dumped all their hard earned savings in this project.... when i look at what is going on, there will be a lot of cost cutting going on since profit margins have been shrinking since the launch period. Probably to get the same  bathtub, RM cost will have gone up like 3 x ... sigh
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ASP for this project is like RM3k psf? I believe sales status is not that great. Furthermore, KSK is retaining the retail and hotel. If they do not have sufficient internal funds and unable to generate sales, that's maybe the reason of non-payment obligation.
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Who is here to play victim?

Just go back to the root lo who is the cutie paymaster 😊
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Like bbb/uuu, the developer was unrealistic, over estimated number of rich in maluhsia and under estimated knowledge of foreign poorperly investors. foreign poorperly investors in this level have higher exposure than wannabe. at this price psf, it is better to buy in sg, hk, dxb, lhr, bkk, etc.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 20 2023, 04:52 PM)
Like bbb/uuu, the developer was unrealistic, over estimated number of rich in maluhsia and under estimated knowledge of foreign poorperly investors. foreign poorperly investors in this level have higher exposure than wannabe. at this price psf, it is better to buy in sg, hk, dxb, lhr, bkk, etc.
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The MM2H debacle killed off any buyer prospects for foreign investors. The local rich will think twice before buying this.
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The MM2H debacle killed off any buyer prospects for foreign investors. The local rich will think twice before buying this.
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Be realistic, most if not all foreign poorperly investors who bought in the last 10 years are under water. Knowing their friends lost money, how many would buy?

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The buyer in hard time ready, jialat lor the developer no money pay the contractors. Main contractor no 3 ready kena terminate the contract.
Pay lawyer fee to go court also a lot of money ready.
Projek sakit or abandon later. Sakit Sakit oh.

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Prepare your popcorn and see if this gonna be another abandoned project
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Prepare your popcorn and see if this gonna be another abandoned project
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The developer is unlikely to revive the project alone, will need to accept hair cut for a white knight.
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Be realistic, most if not all foreign poorperly investors who bought in the last 10 years are under water. Knowing their friends lost money, how many would buy?
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It’s one thing to look at the symptoms, but what is the cause?

You have an increasingly uncompetitive economy with an unstable government with flip flop policies as well as racial and religious tensions. The country needs to settle down then there will be more confidence.

For glass half full people, the only way is up. For the bears, we will become Turkey.

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It’s one thing to look at the symptoms, but what is the cause?

You have an increasingly uncompetitive economy with an unstable government with flip flop policies as well as racial and religious tensions. The country needs to settle down then there will be more confidence.

For glass half full people, the only way is up. For the bears, we will become Turkey.
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Few mm2h visa holders could or managed to obtain mys pr or citizenship. as rental yield is poor and many cheated by re agent, most mm2h investors will need to sell their poorperly eventually. those development that have high number of mm2h investors, subsale price is likely depressed.

when mmh2 investors buy, they drive up price for own stay; when they sell, depress price for subsale vendor. mm2h only benefit developers, don't understand why retailers want mm2h.

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Few mm2h visa holders could or managed to obtain mys pr or citizenship. as rental yield is poor, most mm2h investors will need to sell their poorperly eventually. those development that have high number of mm2h investors, subsale price is likely depressed.

mm2h only benefit developers. don't understand why retailers want it.
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Lol. Can anyone still trust a flip flopoing mm2h program?

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Singapore is raising property taxes to cool its red-hot housing market, amid mounting concern that an influx of wealth into the city-state is hurting affordability for locals and its competitiveness as a financial hub.

The government is increasing stamp duties for second-home buyers and foreigners purchasing private property, it said in a statement. For foreigners buying any home, the tax rate doubled to 60% from 30%. Shares of Singapore developers fell.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...a&sref=bZ8VXc8U

If the country is safe, secure and conducive to business, rich and wealthy will flock to it even willing to pay premium price.

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Singapore is raising property taxes to cool its red-hot housing market, amid mounting concern that an influx of wealth into the city-state is hurting affordability for locals and its competitiveness as a financial hub.

The government is increasing stamp duties for second-home buyers and foreigners purchasing private property, it said in a statement. For foreigners buying any home, the tax rate doubled to 60% from 30%. Shares of Singapore developers fell.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...a&sref=bZ8VXc8U

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Where the stats for number of buyers after tax doubled ?
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Singapore is raising property taxes to cool its red-hot housing market, amid mounting concern that an influx of wealth into the city-state is hurting affordability for locals and its competitiveness as a financial hub.

The government is increasing stamp duties for second-home buyers and foreigners purchasing private property, it said in a statement. For foreigners buying any home, the tax rate doubled to 60% from 30%. Shares of Singapore developers fell.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...a&sref=bZ8VXc8U

If the country is safe, secure and conducive to business, rich and wealthy will flock to it even willing to pay premium price.
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Really mind boggling... imagine, the property you but is SGD1 mil, you need to pay stamp duty SGD600k.... doh.gif if foreigners still buy...means wow
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Where the stats for number of buyers after tax doubled ?
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Sg gomen don't rise tax hastily.

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Really mind boggling... imagine, the property you but is SGD1 mil, you need to pay stamp duty SGD600k....  doh.gif if foreigners still buy...means wow
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Many rich prc are moving their wealth to sg. Sg gomen is deterring them to compete with locals in property market.
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rich and wealthy will flock to it even willing to pay premium price
so it is speculation

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Ooooo glamour siut

Ade property dekat pavilion mall, walking distance kot, high society, etc

Tengok tengok abandon project pulakkkk


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Sg gomen don't rise tax hastily.
Many rich prc are moving their wealth to sg. Sg gomen is deterring them to compete with locals in property market.
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Don't forget ppl buying for kandang cow alike
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Ooooo glamour siut

Ade property dekat pavilion mall, walking distance kot, high society, etc

Tengok tengok abandon project pulakkkk
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So Aset Kayamas consider fair much better since they can complete their project behind Farenheit.
Also walking distance to Pavillion and Bukit Bintang area. laugh.gif
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“Progress for Tower A of YOO8 is at 61.60% completion, with the main scope of works going forward focusing on its interior.”

“Current overall progress for Tower B is at 37.27% completion, and the immediate focus of construction will be on the building’s façade.”

Source: https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1906512/con...80%99s-8-conlay

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Not easy, Tower A complete by 3Q 2024?
At least 600 manpower/day.

Using TRX China state red army? No sign in action...
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As long as money is there main con can push for the work. if no money sure it will slow again
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Conlay Construction appointed as main contractor for KSK Land’s 8 Conlay
EdgeProp.my June 30, 2023 | Updated 19 hours ago


“The much-considered decision to appoint CCSB as 8 Conlay’s new main contractor was made looking towards the future, and at our commitment to complete the project in the shortest time possible without compromising on quality,” said Joanne Kua, CEO of KSK Group and managing director of KSK Land.
KUALA LUMPUR (June 30): Conlay Construction Sdn Bhd (CCSB) is the new main contractor for KSK Land Sdn Bhd’s flagship 8 Conlay development.

According to a media release by the KSK Group, a Letter of Award was (LOA) signed between Damai City Sdn Bhd (Damai City), a wholly owned subsidiary of KSK Land, and CCSB on June 12, “after a period of pre-construction and operations mobilisation planning as well as site surveys last month”.


As of June 26, “CCSB started mobilising their site team, along with key sub-contractors, with the majority of machinery and equipment needed moved into the 8 Conlay construction site”.

“The much-considered decision to appoint CCSB as 8 Conlay’s new main contractor was made looking towards the future, and at our commitment to complete the project in the shortest time possible without compromising on quality,” said Joanne Kua, CEO of KSK Group and managing director of KSK Land.

“We have confidence in CCSB’s excellent track record and our shared understanding of the challenges as well as needs of a property developer, especially from the buyers’ or clients’ perspectives,” she added.

“We are pleased to be appointed the main contractor for this prestigious project. We will work together with KSK Land, its consultants and stakeholders, so that the 8 Conlay project can be completed successfully,” said Leong Soon Kiong, chief operating officer of CCSB.


“After careful consideration, both parties agreed that a revised timeline of completion is necessary to allow for the standard of quality promised to be delivered following CCSB’s appointment,” stated KSK Group.

The projected timeline for completion for Tower A and the retail podium is now 2Q2024, with Handover of Vacant Possession (HOVP) of Tower A planned for 3Q2024.

“Progress for Tower A of YOO8 is at 61.60% completion, with the main scope of works going forward focusing on its interior.”

Tower B is expected to be completed by 4Q2025, with the HOVP process to start by end 2025.


“Current overall progress for Tower B is at 37.27% completion, and the immediate focus of construction will be on the building’s façade.”

Meanwhile, the construction of the 8 Conlay Kempinski Hotel is expected to be completed by early 2Q2025, with the opening of the hotel planned for 4Q “within the year”.
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As long as money is there main con can push for the work. if no money sure it will slow again
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Will the buyers here live long enough to see the towers topping out confused.gif
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Will the buyers here live long enough to see the towers topping out confused.gif
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How on earth that a company which is not property related venturing into real estate development, kick start launching it’s 1st project with price record breaking
It has shown a high risk signal from day one in 2014, furthermore Kurnia Insurance is really sucks in those days
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How on earth that a company which is not property related venturing into real estate development, kick start launching it’s 1st project with price record breaking
It has shown a high risk signal from day one in 2014, furthermore Kurnia Insurance is really sucks in those days
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The princess lives in an exclusive environment; everything most expensive e.g handbags, watches, cars, jewelry, private jets, super yacht, etc are oversold and have long waiting list; so thought most expensive poorperly would be similarly oversold.

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good luck to all the buyer.

KSK just lost their courtcase against main con. Ordered to pay RM 98 million.

Anyway, this development uses high spec in their detailing tho, they are using DC drives + Lutron Smart home (which is the best smart system) .

So if project gets to complete, i would definitely check out their unit to see how IN their smart home is.
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QUOTE(FirstNoob @ Aug 1 2023, 05:42 PM)
good luck to all the buyer.

KSK just lost their courtcase against main con. Ordered to pay RM 98 million.

Anyway, this development uses high spec in their detailing tho, they are using DC drives + Lutron Smart home (which is the best smart system) .

So if project gets to complete, i would definitely check out their unit to see how IN their smart home is.
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Given the length of work suspension; by the time of completion, what they have ordered may be outdated.
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QUOTE(FirstNoob @ Aug 1 2023, 05:42 PM)
good luck to all the buyer.

KSK just lost their courtcase against main con. Ordered to pay RM 98 million.

Anyway, this development uses high spec in their detailing tho, they are using DC drives + Lutron Smart home (which is the best smart system) .

So if project gets to complete, i would definitely check out their unit to see how IN their smart home is.
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Thanks for the update. Link below on the news.

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/07/27/...nst-damai-city/
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Looks like developer will cut cost in many ways after drag so long and so much loses
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Those who could afford this property probably won't even visit Lowyat at all tongue.gif
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QUOTE(lotep @ Aug 1 2023, 08:15 PM)
Thanks for the update. Link below on the news.

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/07/27/...nst-damai-city/
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Adj determination made for 98mil with 60mil paid beforehand. 🤔🤔

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Given the length of work suspension; by the time of completion, what they have ordered may be outdated.
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No la bro.. lutron is really top notch product . The best lighting solution in the market. Won’t get outdated easily..

However, the developer has to find a way to complete the project. Good luck to all the naik kereta buyers. But I think not a big deal for them tho, ppl who buy these kinda project probably has multi millions sitting in their bank account
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Thanks for the update. Link below on the news.

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/07/27/...nst-damai-city/
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thanks for sharing the link.
what a humiliating verdict for the developer.

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thanks for sharing the link.
what a humiliating verdict for the developer.
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They think can buy time with the lawsuit, who knows so fast lose the court case ready.
Hopefully slowly the project can complete la.
Really eye sore right in the city center if abandoned. rclxub.gif

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The project GG liao....company windup by Maybank?
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Really a terhailat project. They coughed up so much cash for famous designers and branding for something that may never eventuate. All form no substance.

Sorry buyers. But if you could afford this then you really don’t need a lot of sympathy do you?
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GDBSB also filed a winding-up petition against KSK Land last month, seeking to liquidate KSK Land.
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The project GG liao....company windup by Maybank?
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Eh. What is the latest news? I miss SK ething major?
Thought developer revived it with another contractor ?
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Eh. What is the latest news? I miss SK ething major?
Thought developer revived it with another contractor ?
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Developer continues to buy time:

KUALA LUMPUR (Feb 13): GDB Holdings Bhd’s legal actions against Damai City Sdn Bhd (DCSB) and KSK Land Sdn Bhd over the 8 Conlay project disputes have been put back on hold for three months.

This was after the court granted the pair (DCSB and KSK Land) and their parent KSK Group Bhd, another restraining order against their creditors.

The restraining order, which restrains all actions or proceedings against the three companies (collectively KSK Group) for three months, was granted by the Shah Alam High Court on Feb 8, to make way for them to hold a creditors’ meeting to consider a scheme of arrangement to settle their outstanding debts.

The court order was granted in response to an ex-parte application made by Stafford Financial Capital Ltd, a creditor of DCSB, according to GDB’s bourse filing on Tuesday.

Source: https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/700796
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Really a terhailat project. They coughed up so much cash for famous designers and branding for something that may never eventuate. All form no substance.

Sorry buyers. But if you could afford this then you really don’t need a lot of sympathy do you?
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At this price, locals are likely to buy landed in ampang, Bukit Damansara, etc; foreign buyers would rather buy in Dubai, London, etc. pricing has been unrealistic.

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At this price, locals are likely to buy landed in ampang, Bukit Damansara, etc; foreign buyers would rather buy in Dubai, London, etc. pricing has been unrealistic.
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I reckon they would have gotten a fair few Mainland, HK, SG and Arab buyers. These demographics tend to respond to brands. Locals I don’t think so unless super into collection or it’s hot money.
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I reckon they would have gotten a fair few Mainland, HK, SG and Arab buyers. These demographics tend to respond to brands. Locals I don’t think so unless super into collection or it’s hot money.
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The fact remains, it is not enough.
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Mar 13 2024, 01:45 PM)
I reckon they would have gotten a fair few Mainland, HK, SG and Arab buyers. These demographics tend to respond to brands. Locals I don’t think so unless super into collection or it’s hot money.
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KSK land is branded developer? this project will be their first and last project.
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KSK land is branded developer? this project will be their first and last project.
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Incorrect. It doesn’t count if it never gets executed. A figment of the imagination perhaps with fictional brochures and buyers who maybe have coughed up a few hundred k at this point. We never learn from history. Empire anyone?
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The dispute with KSK Group
GDB’s net profit shrank by 53% to RM8.03 million in the financial year ended Dec 31, 2023 (FY2023), from RM17.19 million a year ago. The earnings contraction was mainly due to the impact of work suspension on the 8 Conlay project.

This was exacerbated by higher project costs incurred at a completed project.

GDB was appointed as a main contractor by KSK Land Sdn Bhd — a wholly-owned unit of KSK Group — in November 2020 to build the iconic three-tower 8 Conlay luxury integrated development in downtown KL. The contract value of RM1.25 billion was the largest-ever secured by GDB.

The project had a good start in its first year as KSK Land celebrated the structural completion of the first tower, Tower A, of the YOO8 branded residences, serviced by Kempinski, at 8 Conlay onsite in November 2021.

The bombshell dropped in August 2022, when GDB suspended its work on the 8 Conlay project over payment issues. It sued KSK Land for a sum of RM120.7 million arising from what it claimed was a breach of obligations under a corporate guarantee.

Nonetheless, GDB lifted the suspension in January 2023 and resumed work on Tower A’s façade after receiving partial payment.

Two months later, GDB withdrew the lawsuit with liberty to file afresh, and remobilised and recommenced construction works on Tower A after receiving further partial payment, while other sections of works remained suspended.
KSK Land, however, failed to pay the outstanding sum under instalment in April 2023, and subsequently both parties were not able to reach a settlement consensus after having held discussions and negotiations that aimed to resolve the matter amicably.

Towards the second half of April last year, GDB and KSK Land served notices of determination on each other to end the contract. About a month later, GDB filed a fresh lawsuit against KSK Land to recover about RM102.1 million, which it contends is owed for services rendered on the 8 Conlay project.

In July 2023, an adjudicator — in adjudication proceedings in relation to the same claimed sum under the corporate guarantee — ordered KSK Land to pay RM97.8 million to GDB.

In January this year, GDB filed a winding-up petition with the High Court against KSK Land. The filing of the petition follows the court’s setting aside of KSK Land’s restraining order against its creditors, as well as an ex parte court order for leave to summon a meeting with the creditors as part of a proposed scheme of arrangement.
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Is this project completing
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Is this project completing
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How to complete when the developer is wound up? At least that’s the way I’m reading it. Not sure what the latest updates are.
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The dispute with KSK Group
GDB’s net profit shrank by 53% to RM8.03 million in the financial year ended Dec 31, 2023 (FY2023), from RM17.19 million a year ago. The earnings contraction was mainly due to the impact of work suspension on the 8 Conlay project.

This was exacerbated by higher project costs incurred at a completed project.

GDB was appointed as a main contractor by KSK Land Sdn Bhd — a wholly-owned unit of KSK Group — in November 2020 to build the iconic three-tower 8 Conlay luxury integrated development in downtown KL. The contract value of RM1.25 billion was the largest-ever secured by GDB.

The project had a good start in its first year as KSK Land celebrated the structural completion of the first tower, Tower A, of the YOO8 branded residences, serviced by Kempinski, at 8 Conlay onsite in November 2021.

The bombshell dropped in August 2022, when GDB suspended its work on the 8 Conlay project over payment issues. It sued KSK Land for a sum of RM120.7 million arising from what it claimed was a breach of obligations under a corporate guarantee.

Nonetheless, GDB lifted the suspension in January 2023 and resumed work on Tower A’s façade after receiving partial payment.

Two months later, GDB withdrew the lawsuit with liberty to file afresh, and remobilised and recommenced construction works on Tower A after receiving further partial payment, while other sections of works remained suspended.
KSK Land, however, failed to pay the outstanding sum under instalment in April 2023, and subsequently both parties were not able to reach a settlement consensus after having held discussions and negotiations that aimed to resolve the matter amicably.

Towards the second half of April last year, GDB and KSK Land served notices of determination on each other to end the contract. About a month later, GDB filed a fresh lawsuit against KSK Land to recover about RM102.1 million, which it contends is owed for services rendered on the 8 Conlay project.

In July 2023, an adjudicator — in adjudication proceedings in relation to the same claimed sum under the corporate guarantee — ordered KSK Land to pay RM97.8 million to GDB.

In January this year, GDB filed a winding-up petition with the High Court against KSK Land. The filing of the petition follows the court’s setting aside of KSK Land’s restraining order against its creditors, as well as an ex parte court order for leave to summon a meeting with the creditors as part of a proposed scheme of arrangement.
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My question is was this caused by covid 2019 pandemic or the project itself was unsellable and therefore unfeasible?


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My question is was this caused by covid 2019 pandemic or the project itself was unsellable and therefore unfeasible?
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Unrealistic price.


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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Apr 29 2024, 12:03 PM)
My question is was this caused by covid 2019 pandemic or the project itself was unsellable and therefore unfeasible?
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My answer is both blush.gif
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Is this project completing
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It is "finished" thumbsup.gif
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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/681866

https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1906512/con...80%99s-8-conlay

Not easy, unless the developer sell the development with heavy loss.
I believe they try to drag the law suit with previous contractor and slowly pay the current contractor to make sure the job still moving.
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It is "finished" :thumbsup:
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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Apr 29 2024, 12:03 PM)
My question is was this caused by covid 2019 pandemic or the project itself was unsellable and therefore unfeasible?
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It’s Mammoth all over again. First time developer doing something super ambitious and capital intensive. It probably would have done alright if it was launched pre 2015.

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Apr 30 2024, 06:33 AM)
It’s Mammoth all over again. First time developer doing something super massive and capital intensive. It probably would have done alright if it was launched pre 2015.
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Experienced developer didn't priced in this range, novice developer unlikely to break even.

Most targeted local buyers would buy landed in Bukit Damansara, jalan u thant, country home, Tropicana, etc. targeted foreign buyers would buy in London, Dubai, Australia, etc.

This development could only revive after auction by high court with buyers total loss.

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Multimillionaires must be swearing. They have to wait for a white knight now to deliver this.
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KUALA LUMPUR (Sept 1): KSK Group's maiden property venture — its flagship 8 Conlay project that marks its ambitious pivot from insurance to property development — has been officially put up for sale.

Receivers and managers Adam Primus & Co listed the stalled RM5.4 billion megaproject, located in the heart of Kuala Lumpur, for sale over the weekend. Prospective buyers have until Nov 15 to submit their offers.

The sale is the culmination of over two years of legal disputes and financial impasse between the project owner, KSK Land Sdn Bhd, and its main contractor, GDB Holdings Bhd (KL:GDB). The development's listing for sale marks a disappointing conclusion to what was once a highly touted property debut for KSK Group.

The Edge Market - KSK's Conlay 8 for sale
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QUOTE(davwon @ Sep 2 2025, 05:41 PM)
KUALA LUMPUR (Sept 1): KSK Group's maiden property venture — its flagship 8 Conlay project that marks its ambitious pivot from insurance to property development — has been officially put up for sale.

Receivers and managers Adam Primus & Co listed the stalled RM5.4 billion megaproject, located in the heart of Kuala Lumpur, for sale over the weekend. Prospective buyers have until Nov 15 to submit their offers.

The sale is the culmination of over two years of legal disputes and financial impasse between the project owner, KSK Land Sdn Bhd, and its main contractor, GDB Holdings Bhd (KL:GDB). The development's listing for sale marks a disappointing conclusion to what was once a highly touted property debut for KSK Group.

The Edge Market - KSK's Conlay 8 for sale
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What a bad end to KSK Group's maiden property venture.
Curious what kind of buyer that got stucked with this project.
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Wow, this is KL Iconic Abandoned Service Apartment, Good Job KSK
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What a bad end to KSK Group's maiden property venture.
Curious what kind of buyer that got stucked with this project.
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Buyer that believe KL can achieve RM3000 psf condo smile.gif
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Not many will feel the pain for being abandoned.

All rich buy only. Small change
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