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 The Raw Selvedge Denim Thread V6, All of your raw and/or selvedge denims

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post Jun 11 2014, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jun 11 2014, 09:43 AM)
i went with my bro.

was so freaking hot there....

btw sorry no pics... hahaha
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What other booths were there besides The Yard?

any other denim shops/labels?
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post Jun 11 2014, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(chazychaz @ Jun 11 2014, 01:45 PM)
Theyard
Scythewear
Kerastangan
Oxleathergoods
27th heaven
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thanks for the info.

Scythe is gonna open a cafe/restaurant around ara damansara nearby citta mall, right?
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post Jun 17 2014, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(thelines @ Jun 17 2014, 02:30 PM)
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my first selvedge jeans..
hahaha..sorry for crappy phone camera..and still saving RM for leather shoes...
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Nice fit. Planning to hem/cut the excess or cuff/ lipat them?

For the leather shoes, take ur time saving the money, but invest in a good one. One reliable pair is all you need (but who am i kidding tongue.gif).
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post Jun 20 2014, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(rangerr @ Jun 20 2014, 07:25 PM)
I heard that I need to be sizing down when buying the jeans. What size should I go if my waist is around 28~29?
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Stay TTS (true to size). Most raw denims nowadays are most sanforized which makes minimal stretch or shrinkage.

If the new raw denims feels a little big snug but you are able to button up, means the jeans fit you well.


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post Jul 3 2014, 09:13 AM

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Steady ah g3n0c|d3. Berapa tu?


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post Jul 3 2014, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 3 2014, 10:49 AM)
RM250 je.... ade kat fb dier kan? hehehe... nak layan yang mahal tah bila nak sampai...

https://www.facebook.com/RoyaleworksLimited
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Not bad. Kain from mana? really murah kalau from Japan mills.
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post Jul 8 2014, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(arthur5011 @ Jul 5 2014, 12:05 AM)
hi guys.. i'm visiting japan mainly tokyo this oct.. may i know any recommended shop in tokyo to get some nice jean?
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Not so sure. But it has been discussed before in this thread. Probably the search function can help you.

QUOTE(macsonn @ Jul 7 2014, 12:00 PM)
HI all guru,
i saw a Lee Union made red selvedge in a mall in hatyai , may i ask what it means by Unionmade?
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Unionmade is the machine to stitch the jeans. Vintage machines for the authenticity of the stitching details.

QUOTE(kei_katsuga @ Jul 8 2014, 01:29 PM)
Can someone recommend to me what brand would be the best for the 1st timer.?

below 500 maybe?of course lower is better for my wallet..
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Good budget to start with. I'd recommend some local denim artisans like Cheese Denim or Ceremony Fine Wear. You can check out the first page first post on the shop locations.

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post Jul 10 2014, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(kurkuri @ Jul 10 2014, 12:47 AM)
First time upload pic. Ok ke? Dekat 3 tahun dah pakai. N&F x Momo.
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Nice one bro!

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post Jul 26 2014, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jul 26 2014, 04:01 PM)
Let's hear from chazychaz I think he can describe better of what really happened since he's involved in this project (was he?)
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you described it fair actually. i should know, i was one of their customers.

yeah, it wasn't handeled professionally.

IHUK and that local retailer didnt deliver as intended.

to have the cheek to say that we should be grateful in the first place shows the lack of respect they have to the customers.

they wouldn't even have secured the sales without Mydenim's help and commitment.

but bygones be bygones.
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post Jul 27 2014, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jul 26 2014, 03:40 PM)
All of them IH, Kronoz & Mydenim

First, IH for farking up the design... I mean it's a limited edition 100pcs design don't they follow a blue print or something? Ultimately the maker is liable for this if you ask me.

Second, Kronoz for not doing a first piece buy-off procedure. I mean they could have asked IH to make one/first pair first then send it to Kronoz for confirmation before start of mass production. Can't they even ask IH to take photos of the product in detail before proceeding to continue with the rest of the 100 pairs? At least by doing so they could back their arses a bit.

Thirdly I'm not sure what's Mydenim role in this but surely they could also follow up with either Kronoz or IH to provide a monthly or weekly updates about what's going on. I was told this project started since last year?
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i'll comment the mydenim role:

mydenim had been requesting updates for this jeans for the longest time. we tried to follow up with the local retailer (being the official brand distributor) but the information flow was lacking.

it came to the point we just asked directly to IHUK to ask what's the status. only from there we got a glimpse of the status of the jeans. it was far from satisfactory, but at least something to update us.

it came to the point that IHUK just replied "No news is good news". imagine you spent rm1,250 on something which both the retailer and producer of the jeans cant even take the time to explain properly to their customers on the current status of their project.

after months of broken promises and deadlines, we only got an update UNOFFICIALLY via the retailer's facebook. no direct communication with Mydenim was made to say the jeans has arrived.

now, not only that showed the lack of communication, but to see that the jeans was not up to the request we wanted, that was the ticking point of our patience.

of course we made our displeasures heard.

at least i tip my hat that the local retailer admited their shortcomings and offered an option to their customer. i shall respect that and hope they honoured as to what they promised.

i cant say the same to IHUK. their arrogance to say that we should be greatful did nothing to impress me personally.

to say that it was a " gift" to have IH making the jeans for Mydenim since it is not a retailer, i shall summarise the absurdity of that claim:
1. a "gift" wouldnt cost you money
2. without mydenim, you wont be able to secure 62 out 100 sales.
3. initial order to final product didnt match means you didnt deliver the goods as per requested. no two ways about it.

but i hold my peace with the local retailer. amends were made and hope the promise can be delivered.
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post Jul 27 2014, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jul 27 2014, 08:21 AM)
Additionally and this is purely my opinion I feel that the local retailer might be trying to bite more than it can chew. They have only started their operations like 1 or 2 years ago?

I feel that they are too eager to establish themselves as the big guns of local denim and trying to do too much with too little experience or time.

I hope they will learn from this. I mean business needs time to grow and youngsters nowadays are a bit impatient. They want their brand or shop to explode in the local scene but instead it has imploded.

A collab with local brands first would have been a good starting point for experience.
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it could be the case. your suggestion of having the one off pair for inspection was a great idea. hope future collaborations can inplement this.

QUOTE(chazychaz @ Jul 27 2014, 11:24 AM)
@junkyman is correct..but others who do not involve should not make assumptions..unsatisfied customer can always get a refund..or else they can walk away with those iconic pair..it's a win win situation..yes we are pissed off but things already resolved peacefully..what was written over over kronoz facebook page is purely personal opinion, does not represent the whole mydenim community
The jeans is up to IH standard..no faulty at all i must say..after being tried on, i dont care much much about those missing details..but this is my personal opinion

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Iron Heart UK and Kronoz surely made mistake, but I personally try to forgive them..who doesn't make mistake especially since this is our first born baby..Kronoz management should be more well organized..and those refund thing is a nice gesture..as well lesson learnt for all of us
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its true the quality is still up to par, hence no complaint about it.

its a decent pair to have if you havent owned IH denims and to have that special patch to it.

i'd encourage anyone to check them out. see....no bad blood vetween me and the local retailer. wink.gif
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post Jul 27 2014, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(doom_eulogy @ Jul 27 2014, 02:57 PM)
i am one of the customers.
i don't really mind when i first heard that IH didnt follow the specs.
but after reading some of the customers saying the price is doubled for only the patch I sort of dissapointed a bit.
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Price wise is the same or a bit less from buying IH from their international distributor.

You cant get the japanese domestic price unless you buy it online.


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post Jul 27 2014, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(doom_eulogy @ Jul 27 2014, 03:21 PM)
the japan's price is about rm800?
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Should be below rm1k
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QUOTE(strynch @ Aug 3 2014, 09:38 PM)
Anyone can suggest a good shop to hem? Preferably Ampang (Selangor) area.
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you can check the 1st post of this thread.
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Aug 8 2014, 12:09 PM)
Just wondering, does anyone have issues with leg twist? Happened with my APC's, right leg twists inwards pushing the selvedge line towards the middle. Same thing with my current Levi's.
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leg twist is part of raw denim/selvedge is part of the allure. some people desire that look for the fades.

if you dont fancy it, try broken twill denim. left hand twill will also counter the leg twist if im not mistaken.

QUOTE(macsonn @ Aug 15 2014, 10:47 PM)
Opinion from sifu,  why is there fake samurai, flathead, etc... Come complete with selvage and only cost rm100 to rm 200? Is it so cheap to produce a selvage denim from a shutter loom?
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selvedge denim can also be source from countries like bangladdesh. lower production cost plus lower source cotton (non-zimbabwe cotton or non-texas cotton) can also produce cheap selvedge denim.

higher prices for jap denims is because of their source of cotton (zimbabwe being the best) plus the skill of the workers in the japanese mills contribute to more expensive but higher quality denims.
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Aug 15 2014, 11:44 PM)
So it's due to a similar twill being employed, I need to read up more on this.
Not to say dislike, but the actual hassle of constantly adjusting the lower leg does lead to some interesting creasing and fades on the right knee. A benefit I'd say, if one doesn't mind it. I just don't like the selvedge facing the front, it looks quite awkward in my opinion.

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never had that severe leg twist. are you wearing lose cut or tight?

QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 16 2014, 02:01 AM)
And sometimes the selvedge is just a patch/sewed on the denim lol!
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"half" selvedge. topkek.
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QUOTE(macsonn @ Aug 17 2014, 09:29 PM)
Got it.  Thanks for the answer. So does this mean some denim designer can source cheap selvedge  denim and sell it at a premium price around RM 400 to 600?
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im not sure about designer jeans. some swear those designer jeans (eg Dior and Burberry) makes decent selvedge and raw denims rather than jump on the bandwagon.

truth is, as a buyer, we know the trade off whether the quality meets the price.

QUOTE(James Bum @ Aug 17 2014, 09:56 PM)
This is just an example of how an RM40 imitation selvedge can do what it's much more expensive RM1K brothers can... which is to stand (proudly) on its own lol.

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I'm sure many would loathe it and say "oh it's just some imitation crap, can't compare to my real selvedge that I bought for >RM1K". But really, if using this same cheap selvedge denim and improving it's workmanship, much better quality stitching etc, some savvy entrepreneur could claim that the denim is Made in Japan and sell it for a premium.

What I'm saying is that to take everything in life including selvedge denims with a pinch of salt
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honestly i dont mind where the selvedge and raw denim is sourced from. if the quality and workmanship is there at the appropriate price, i'd buy it.

many had doubts initially on hearing about redcloud, a denim brand based in China. but the quality is there, and some buyers can appreciate that.

i just dont support fake denims. if they come out with an original brand, i have no qualms about it.
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Aug 18 2014, 01:17 AM)
With my Petit New Standards, they weren't so bad but still quite obvious. A bit worse with my current Levi's 511 I'd say, maybe due to it being looser.
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Ahh....A.P.C. eh?

I guess you have to factor those jeans are also unsanforised causing the leg twist.


QUOTE(macsonn @ Aug 18 2014, 10:39 AM)
yes.. i will rather buy a cheaper brand than buying a fake samurai.
just saying that if they can come out with a good quality selvedge,  might as well built your own brand. I guess thats the hard part of building up your own brand and convince people to buy it. but i hardly see why would anyone that know all this premium brand will buy fake one. Not everyone ( at least among my friend ) that really know about Samurai, Flat head , momotaro, etc ..  and i think for an average joe they wont even bother spending 1k for a pair of denim. Of course me myself couldnt afford it. But at least i wont be buying a fake one. I rather by a cheaper uniqlo.
or if other brand like local brand or other Thai brand with a reasonable price then i will prefer that.
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ada brand baru nampak gaya i guess.

it's the denim that makes the brand, not the brand that makes the denim. if that makes sense. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(macsonn @ Aug 18 2014, 10:57 AM)
yes it make sense! hahah
is that why there is this brand call unbranded brand? since they claim they use Japanese selvedge denim, not sure from which mill.
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Unbranded is the "brand" that answers your question. it's basically you are paying for the denim, not the brand.

Hence it is relatively cheaper in that sense as supposed you are not paying for the brand and marketing of it. just the denim and workmanship.

even their patch is empty of any logo.

But i believe their denim is sourced outside Japan like Turkey if im not mistaken.

QUOTE(chazychaz @ Aug 19 2014, 09:43 PM)
Mass produced vs handmade denim..source of material..attention to detail..workmanship..blah blah blah..end of conversation...

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QUOTE(chazychaz @ Aug 26 2014, 12:36 PM)
Nice kicks @genocide..

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Wow, those are some sweet "red wings" you got there! tongue.gif

Does it float on water? laugh.gif

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