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post Jun 17 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 17 2014, 10:23 AM)
Bro.. how long has your this client been investing in UT. 90% FI to get 5.5% at current situation is amazing!
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Started early Qtr-3;Yr-2013, after he withdrew from his KWSP. At first he wanted to sai-lang everything into stock market (blue chip like Maybank and Public Bank). I told him... relax, man-man lai. No need to rush.

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post Jun 18 2014, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(azrash @ Jun 17 2014, 10:49 PM)
Xuzen, when using Modigliani, which figure do you use for the standard deviation of the benchmark portfolio. Or a more accurate question would be, what should our benchmark portfolio be? Do we track the KLSE? And normally how long is the time frame for period that you select to calculate the ratio?
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Sta-Dev of benchmark usually not easy to find, however, Pub-Mut, despite my criticism, has a very good internal data that, unfortunately less than 1% of UTC knows or will ever use it.

I get the Benchmark Sta-Dev from their internal data which they update quarterly to calculate Modigliani. It is only given to UTC and I bet if you ask any regular Pub-Mut UTC, they will give you a blank look. Even finding someone who knows what is a Sharpe is difficult. The data supplied by Pub-Mut is 3 years annualised. That is what you get when Pub-Mut decided to do UT biz like MLM style.

At first I wanted to write how I do the pay-out for my client, but I decided not too... called it trade secret, something for me to keep on cari-makan.

Actually it goes along the line of Pink Spider's line of thinking with some minor tweeks here and there.

J.passing.by, it is not so complicated.

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post Jun 19 2014, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 18 2014, 10:00 PM)
Bleh.. They charge 0.70 with FPX.. and their news is not up to date even tongue.gif

I mean think about it, suppose you put in Rm1000 at 1%. You save 1%.. that is Rm1? okay so you save Rm1.

Now you want to put in say Rm200 every month.. and then you get charged Rm0.70  every month, that's like Rm8.40 a year.

So you are going to spend Rm8.40 a year.. to save Rm1? smile.gif
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1% of RM 1,000.00 = RM 10.00

Put that aside; I have just bought RM 7,500.00 into small cap fund and RM 2,500.00 into commodities linked fund. Who wants to follow?

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post Jun 19 2014, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 19 2014, 10:26 AM)
Name those funds! tongue.gif
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Tak mahu tongue.gif
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post Jun 19 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 19 2014, 11:23 AM)
Small cap for which region wor?
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he he he ..... bolehland. blush.gif

Too overweight on large cap. Too much attention on Lee Sook Yee wub.gif, need to spread some love to others as well.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 19 2014, 12:43 PM)
xuzen is Eastspring fan-sy...I bet Eastspring Small Cap rolleyes.gif
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YTD already gain +50% liao deh.

Chen Fan Fai always buy me lunch for free....LOL!

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post Jun 19 2014, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 19 2014, 01:21 PM)
Which MF can gain 50% in one day lol smile.gif
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I said YTD = Year To Date. Mana gua ala cakap one day gain 50%.

@Kaka: Is there potential to go upside? How do I know? I don't; I only know that I hold too much large cap which means my risk is concentrated there, hence to diversify, I need to move some to small cap (Bolehland exposure). To put it in another word, my small cap was under-weight.

I also hold Global exposure and Commodites linked fund, their asset allocation is within my target range.

I may tambah my US equities later on.

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post Jun 20 2014, 11:49 AM

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He he he FSM is da flavour of the day. When I first join this forum Pub-Mut is de-rigeur! Now is bumped.

I am happy the FSM is getting more love these days... hopefully with greater competition, this will make agency based UT comp like Pub-Mut & MAAKL lower their fees.

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post Jun 21 2014, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jun 21 2014, 08:42 AM)
1 year after joining.. do u think this is acceptable return?
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Your portfolio looks like a buffet table... so much variety and so much overlap of funds.

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post Jun 22 2014, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jun 22 2014, 12:55 AM)
Sorry guys...well 1 year later the return is 4.05% currently..my target is as long as better tjan fd maybe hovering at 6-8 % ok d...ya looks like a buffet table xuzen coz last time when started not good at it bought bad funds especially my ambond and my rhb-osk asia pacific..want to ditch these 2 but cannot d now... I'm doing monthly dca currently on all funds. Thanks for the feedback but I treat this as a forced savings lo... I'm in a working in a line totally not related to finance only know this way of investment
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for the risk you are exposing yourself to through equity based unit trust, you should demand more return. Expecting a slightly above FD rate means your expectation is too low. Be a harsher master to your money! taking risk needs to be compensated with return.

This is after all what CAPM teaches us.

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post Jun 23 2014, 06:55 AM

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QUOTE(joylay83 @ Jun 23 2014, 02:46 AM)
Anybody planning to go cash heavy soon? I see FD rates gradually going up. Seems like recession brewing... Exit and top up lumsum when stock market crash?
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Market timing is gamble, may not work.

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jun 23 2014, 10:08 AM)
if market crash...UT like kenanga Growth Fund..will be affected. Good idea, to switch all units in this fund to other UT funds? like income fund?  whats ur opinion.. hmm.gif
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Should market crash, then consistent good performance fund such as KGF will definitely follow suit, but it is also the first to bounce back among its peer. I will use that opportunity to top up.

Another method I learn from my senior is to switch all to money market first and then do DCA all over again to the equity fund as the mkt recovers (this is use for those more risk averse client, not suitable to all investor).

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jun 23 2014, 01:19 PM)
yes..thats the logic way to do it. money market? which fund for example? income fund or bond, low risk..to me.
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Money Market Fund for old unker like you tongue.gif



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post Jun 23 2014, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(nothingz @ Jun 23 2014, 01:58 PM)
@3% return pa, put FD or CMF also can la. Hahaha
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Money Mkt acts like a safe forward operating base, a sort of beach head to regroup your funds to tackle the front line.

In essence, it behaves like a FD and is exactly like CMF. It i never meant as a perma place for your money.,, if they stay too long there, your money get lazy. To me, it is a launchpad.

I advise my unker customer as it is... by the numbers.

For Asia Pac ex Japan, I'll recommend CIMB-Principle Asia Pacific Dynamic Income instead of AmAsia Pacific Equity Income fund.

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 23 2014, 02:58 PM)
Timing on when to switch all to MM is the hard part. Maybe when we start switching, the market already bottom.. tongue.gif
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it all depend on the kiasuism of the client, some drop 5% sudah kow peh kow bu, some can tolerate until 20% drop. As front line service agent, we manage client in accordance to their personal risk profile.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 24 2014, 08:37 PM)
Sometimes can get 3.6 -  3.8%
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when FD starts to rise, it is a matter of time BLR will rise.
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 25 2014, 10:44 AM)
RHB-OSK Growth And Income Focus Trust

is making good profits. Should I exit the fund and take profits first?
what u guys think?
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If you are using a wrap account, where you get unlimited switch with zero switching fee, I would switch from RHB-OSK Growth & Income Focus Trust to Eastspring Investment Dana Dinamik or Hwang Select Balance or as least RHB-OSK KidSave.

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jun 25 2014, 07:12 PM)
KGF : depends on the KLCI...based on my 2 months observation .. 0.02/month increment.  Example every RM10,000 @ 1.20 (NAV) = 8,333.33 x 0.02/month incremental. = RM166.66 increase per month.

Try mixed around with other UTs...to get balance..

Eastspring also giving good returns.
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KGF beta wrt KLSE is 0.81. Meaning for 1% KLSE increase, KGF increase 0.81%. This is their relationship. I got it from Bloomberg website.

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 25 2014, 03:33 PM)
sorry i blur. what is WRAP ACCOUNT?
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Normal account means you pay SC each time you do buy transaction. You will have to keep your buy-sell to a minimum to keep cost down.

Wrap account, you pay a fixed percentage (1.5% p.a.) on the whole portfolio, but there will be no more SC charge. Meaning you can swicth unlimited times per year and you don't have to pay more SC. Wrap are for people who practices asset allocation or active managed portfolio.

Both FSM and eUT offers wrap service.

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post Jun 26 2014, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 26 2014, 02:10 PM)
but there'd be annual/monthly fee, right?
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That is the wrap fee calculated as 1.5% p.a., based on daily rest.

It is like buying a single pass versus season pass to go to your favourite theme-park lor.

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