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post May 7 2014, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ May 7 2014, 04:24 PM)
nah, dont wan.... if wan track, i will switch the xm2 frm rear to front as ecopia sidewall really no eye c... but untill now cant can c any dmg on the thread on ecopia..

i'm also the wan crazy abuse the xm2 on track day lo...  whistling.gif
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i aslo went track with c drive 2 lo whistling.gif
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post May 7 2014, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 7 2014, 08:48 PM)
Original photo by photog...a few of my gaga..
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now i understood a little on the track conditions for MIMC... well at this point i don't think i'll care about my iswara ad08r tires' conditions lol... just burn it off even on tracks like dato sagor, and once finish i'll just sell off the rims to make space for inspira secondary rims lol

else i dunno where to stack 4 more wheels around already sweat.gif
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post May 7 2014, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 7 2014, 09:51 PM)
You need to go down to the track to know the actual track condition....from pic hard to tell.....really need to get yourself down there....
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a lot of kaki/friends commented that the track is rough, from the pictures, can see a lot of debris/stones already sweat.gif
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post May 8 2014, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 8 2014, 01:29 AM)
All you need, is a stock car, with ULTRA RACING STRUT BAR!
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i got i got flex.gif
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post May 8 2014, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 02:28 AM)
I also got flex.gif
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post May 8 2014, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 02:37 AM)
This one keeps my brake fluid reservoir from scraping my aircon pipe
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post May 8 2014, 05:27 AM

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dares titanrev davidke20 flex.gif
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post May 8 2014, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 04:07 PM)
Was thinking, has anyone done air intake insulation using a layer of insulflex an another layer of aluminium/tin foil paper wrap on top?

Tin foil to insulate against radiated heat, insulflex against convection heat.

Any thoughts?

mahihi titanrev
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i done to a certain extent la... then again there's mighty car mod myth busted youtube episodes laugh.gif
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post May 8 2014, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 04:14 PM)
link?
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or link to what i did? insulflex only lol:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...T3c&usp=sharing

https://plus.google.com/+JasonLimQuazacolt/posts/TDaXDwJA9Xn

initially had plans to wrap my drop in filter box, the snorkel etc, but after watching mcm... lazy liao LOL
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post May 8 2014, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 04:46 PM)
Well this is not Australia....In malaysia you can hardly get anything less than 30 degrees celsius at the intake manifold when cruising (I assume the inlet temp in the video is the same as intake manifold temp). In traffic jam the intake temp can easily go over 50-60 degrees celsius (Preve I heard goes up to 75 degrees lol), the ambient temp alone can go up to 42 degrees instead of the chilly 19 degrees in NSW.

It's not the lack of cold air I wanna address....it's the presence of very hot air  sweat.gif
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if you watched the whole video, they managed to reduce 10-20+ Celsius. no gain. lol.

inspira goes up to around 70c too for my car, especially black bonnet under hot sun doh.gif
for white car, iinm 2-3c cooler. (yes had fun with the infrared thermal gun on one weekend laugh.gif )

in the video iinm their temps were about 40-50+c in the engine if no heat shielding were done
after heat shielding done/cai etc they can maintain 20c+

SIGNIFICANT temperature drop. no gain.
only until the headlamp remove CAI connect all the way in front of the fan, they gotten 4 ponies laugh.gif

summary/tldr:
for modern car, i think hot air isnt that huge of a deal especially on a car that is sub 200 horsie, city driving, point a to b
but if you're chasing dyno charts and stuff, then yeah by all means go for it.

in fact if you look at the 4b10 design, they can EASILY have the damn intake super short and avoid the engine heat altogether, but they chose not to and have a stupidly long travel length on the snorkel/filter box.

the reason is due to the VVT (4b10 MIVEC is basically same as toyota's DVVT lol) requiring some form of air pressure/turbulence created via the snorkel/filter box travel path so that it may mix fuel better prior to combustion especially during low load/low rpm/idle phases. something like squeezing a water hose to get higher water pressure instead of having it freely flow. (if interested may dig up the LYN inspira thread or look up mitsubishi technology pages/documents like this: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/spirit...rary/mivec.html )
that's why people lose torque (especially the low end/power band) or even ponies instead of gaining when putting in drop ins, CAIs etc for these kinda car.
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post May 8 2014, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 8 2014, 04:46 PM)
Quazacolt. What you posted is not relevant to what is dares saying. Dares idea is to wrap the stock air box up not change it to open pod or use cold air intake.

I've done a test with my stock air box with wrapping and without wrapping. There's a 2c different from the result using OBD to check. Also the temp is more constant with wrapping compare to without wrapping. Plus intake temp don't hear up so fast during idle with wrap.
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as per above, have you watched the videos? mcm dudes managed to bring down some 20 Celsius of temperature yet no gains sad.gif
and they have a 16x-170 hp on wheel r34 lol

and while working on my previous mod (along with my friend lol) we also managed to bring down some temperature (5ish c also got, using dares idea in general, insulflex + alu sheets), cept even on the butt dyno it didn't seem significant, which i think the actual dyno would be a slap in the face for all the efforts.

after watching that mcm vid, i just drop the idea, my goals aren't chasing ponies on a dyno after all.
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post May 8 2014, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 8 2014, 04:53 PM)
Not just the stock airbox....maybe the whole piping from intake to totobodi.

Just wanna make sure it is worth the effort before embarking on this project.....also need to check if I have enuff insulflex left  sweat.gif
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that's why i dropped the idea lol.
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post May 8 2014, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 8 2014, 05:22 PM)
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regardless of my opinions i definitely agree with your attitude thumbup.gif

if only i had more time for all of my hobbies then perhaps my thinking and yours can be very much aligned too nod.gif

QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 8 2014, 09:07 PM)
Everyone has the same 24 hours a day....so it's not a matter of "free like me" or not....I also have wife and children also.... tongue.gif
Dares, don't look down on yourself. you are clumsy because you think you are. I also break things during DIY...who don't right that's how you learn....ppl also say you are only good if you have fallen before. I no tell you cabut rocker cover mah....start small....gain experience 1st....is like you didn't have any training before then you go take part in triathlon....think back when you were still a kid....when you learn how to walk....how many times you have fell down but you didn't give up on learning to walk right....have faith....
Yes, we do because we want to learn....
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yeap you broke your ignition coil...

if dares break his ignition coil on his fofi leh? icon_question.gif

yes, i also agree everyone has the same 24 hours, however everyone have different priorities, hence the difference in opinions laugh.gif

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 8 2014, 09:43 PM)
Sardenly all the father and son talk geh sleep.gif
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post May 9 2014, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 9 2014, 12:25 AM)
Quazacolt. Our ignition coil is prone to breaking which is a very common problem but not for other car makes. I have a mitsu with COP and have remove them several times also never have problem taking them out or have them breaking. 1 car make COP easy to break don't mean all car make COP will break that easy. Like what I said do home work 1st before DIY.

Since dares asked about the wrapping well why not give him some support as a friend and let him try right. At least he can learn more about his car. I didn't object his difference in opinion with me. I'm more on supporting him to go ahead. If one have the intention to learn something for themselves I will tell them to go learn.
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the breaking wasn't the point la. i mean, what kinda risk does wrapping an air intake poses? logically near to none, right? but being a clumsy/fat fingers person myself, who knows right?
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post May 9 2014, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 9 2014, 01:09 AM)
Eh abah amah no need argue tongue.gif

Whether I wanna try will be of my own volition la, I will not hold anyone responsible if I choose either or if anything goes wrong. I was simply stating why I hesitate to DIY on the popiah, coz if I break anything popiah parts are not cheap tongue.gif

You know I kept telling my wife Proton car cheap la, spare parts cheap la, maintenance cheap la etc. etc. (except Inspalia  icon_idea.gif ), she kinda get where I was trying to push. She predict that, if in the end I buy a Preve, the warranty will be gone in the first year tongue.gif  laugh.gif

Titanrev thanks for your encouragement, Quazacolt thanks for the concern  icon_rolleyes.gif I will do my due research and let you guys know how it goes
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post May 9 2014, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 9 2014, 01:30 AM)
you're abah or amah?
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both sex can mou?
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post May 9 2014, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 9 2014, 01:43 AM)
Didn't know you're a futa  icon_question.gif ph34r.gif
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futa best sex, can play with self for real.
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QUOTE(r3apers @ May 9 2014, 02:19 PM)
got, bring kek lapis dtg..
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