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 Crusader V1, The unbending champions of Faith & Law

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post Apr 2 2014, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 2 2014, 02:15 PM)
Just to share, this is probably the most nice offensive pally shield
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it's not crusader shield but it may as well be.
And justice lantern isn't totally fail as we had initially thought. You can fix this one up to be chd with chc  nod.gif  that is acceptable. Just wish though that vit was str  hmm.gif

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Mine doesnt give chd though
Although it came up with +life per hit which was reroll'ed

Also anyone crafted this yet?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/artisan/blacksm...he-helm-of-rule
11% block chance helm with other random stats

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post Apr 2 2014, 05:16 PM

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wow stevie , welcome back long time no see smile.gif
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post Apr 2 2014, 11:02 PM

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right now testing thorn build on my female crusader.

i suspect if i can get the thorn set helm, i can then use 2 set items

- thorn set
- asheara set
- the bounty bracer with 1000% thorn chance dmg whenever enemies hit me

the demon set bonus for fire 4k dmg is probably better for a thorn build, but i just wanted to use asheara's for fun.

anyways i have around 15k thorn damage with my current gear. so if that bracer were to proc, that would be multiplicative 1000% which would be 15 million damage.


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post Apr 2 2014, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 2 2014, 11:02 PM)
right now testing thorn build on my female crusader.

i suspect if i can get the thorn set helm, i can then use 2 set items

- thorn set
- asheara set
- the bounty bracer with 1000% thorn chance dmg whenever enemies hit me

the demon set bonus for fire 4k dmg is probably better for a thorn build, but i just wanted to use asheara's for fun.

anyways i have around 15k thorn damage with my current gear. so if that bracer were to proc, that would be multiplicative 1000% which would be 15 million damage.
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Theres a 1 hand axe called hack which gives 90% thorn dmg on all your attacks
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post Apr 3 2014, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(olman @ Apr 2 2014, 11:36 PM)
Theres a 1 hand axe called hack which gives 90% thorn dmg on all your attacks
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i got that but mine was a lower roll :/


Anyways i was messing around with thorns but couldn't quite get it to work well. maybe i'm missing the thorn helm to complete the set, and maybe some other things.

Even without the complete build, i can already see this sort of build being where you stand still, let yourself get hit...... even with the hack..... you'll still be doing this .... it's annoying rolleyes.gif


Anyway i used my main male crusader and rebuilt him by swapping in the asheara set pants and boots. This gave me the set bonus for increased all resistance. The boots also had all res which my previous ones didn't, and also max ms. This then did 2 things for me

1. use 2 less para point for hitting 25ms
2. allowed me to swap in 2 max level strength gems to replaces the all resistance gems.

The result is, i do more damage now, and i can tank better.

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post Apr 3 2014, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 3 2014, 02:51 AM)
i got that but mine was a lower roll :/
Anyways i was messing around with thorns but couldn't quite get it to work well. maybe i'm missing the thorn helm to complete the set, and maybe some other things.

Even without the complete build, i can already see this sort of build being where you stand still, let yourself get hit...... even with the hack..... you'll still be doing this .... it's annoying  rolleyes.gif
Anyway i used my main male crusader and rebuilt him by swapping in the asheara set pants and boots. This gave me the set bonus for increased all resistance. The boots also had all res which my previous ones didn't, and also max ms. This then did 2 things for me

1. use 2 less para point for hitting 25ms
2. allowed me to swap in 2 max level strength gems to replaces the all resistance gems.

The result is, i do more damage now, and i can tank better.

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is the mempo the new ones or old , cos old ones seems to be useless in RoS hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 3 2014, 02:51 AM)
i got that but mine was a lower roll :/
Anyways i was messing around with thorns but couldn't quite get it to work well. maybe i'm missing the thorn helm to complete the set, and maybe some other things.

Even without the complete build, i can already see this sort of build being where you stand still, let yourself get hit...... even with the hack..... you'll still be doing this .... it's annoying  rolleyes.gif
Anyway i used my main male crusader and rebuilt him by swapping in the asheara set pants and boots. This gave me the set bonus for increased all resistance. The boots also had all res which my previous ones didn't, and also max ms. This then did 2 things for me

1. use 2 less para point for hitting 25ms
2. allowed me to swap in 2 max level strength gems to replaces the all resistance gems.

The result is, i do more damage now, and i can tank better.

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u have a kick ass set bro. how long did it take u to farm this?
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:08 PM

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Fate of the Fell dropped for me last night. But got a bad roll on it. sad.gif
Was thinking to make 1 of the attribute into socket. Which one should I choose? Vit or Life per wrath spend?
Or just use back my current weapon?
I did use Heaven Fury's a lot on my current build

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QUOTE(Phonzy @ Apr 3 2014, 10:55 AM)
u have a kick ass set bro. how long did it take u to farm this?
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My first legs in ros was the amulets. So i got the shakos (2/3 tri) and leoric (trifecta) first.

i think the fate of fell was then my next drop. Got extremely lucky getting this soon nod.gif of course it could be better if i could have it as holy damage and to get a higher weapon dps roll.

The mempos was next. Also very lucky. seems to be bis, unless you can get a mempos with same primary stats but with 5 primary affixes, so you could have chc without having to lose the socket.

someone found the chaing mail i am using. they wanted to brim IT !! so i told them to trade with me instead, so i rescued it biggrin.gif lol

then i started doing bounties starting from act1 to get the grandeur royalty ring (2/3 tri), king leoric shoulders.

then act 2 bounties. New boots.

act 5 bounties, new shield.

did manglemaw t6 runs, got thorn set pieces (which i use the shoulders atm). as well as my soj and unity dps rings.

Found some plans, and crafted asheara's pant and boots. I wanted to try a trifecta craft but not lucky.

replaced my magifist trifecta for a yellow trifecta glove.

i'm still using the legacy lacuni (bracer) and witchin hour (belt) because one has chc with as on it, whereas the other has chd with as. There are alternatives with chc and as on them but not easy to get. For the ms you can shift that to paragorn points, as you can get back the strength from the bracer. But the belt is very hard to use a newer one because most of them don't even have as with chd. So unless it's a lv 70 whd i doubt i would be upgrading belt anytime soon.

anyway around 1-2 weeks farm i guess.
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 3 2014, 12:08 PM)
Fate of the Fell dropped for me last night. But got a bad roll on it. sad.gif
Was thinking to make 1 of the attribute into socket. Which one should I choose? Vit or Life per wrath spend?
Or just use back my current weapon?
I did use Heaven Fury's a lot on my current build

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replace life per wrath for a socket.

add in a max chd gem then compare the damage between the 2.
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:15 PM

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By the way if people are wondering how i am able to drop 2 all res gems from pants and use strength gems instead, it's because my new boots has all res in them.

Also the pant and boot set combination gives me another 100 ares. So this allowed me to do that.

But to further boost my dps for heavens fury, i could find a boot similar to mine, but reroll out movement speed for boosting heavens fury/holy damage.

the movement speed stat would be regained through paragorn points.

i also switched shield to one that replaced all res for a chc instead. I think this is the route crusaders should go, because 10chc will help you get a higher dps. it's worth losing the 100 ares for that. as long as you can make up for it elsewhere to stay above 1100 ares.


So now i do 1mil+ dps on white sheet. and much more when i'm actually fighting laugh.gif

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Issues:

1. weapon = fire dmg
2. fist of the heaven = lightning dmg
3. heavens fury = holy dmg

sad.gif very hard to make full use of a elemental damage boost when your gear and skills are varied in elemental damage types. The most i could have hoped for is concerting weapon to holy damage, to make the most ouf of a "increase holy damage by 10-20 %" modifier. alas sweat.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 02:23 PM

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btw guys, how awesome is Crusader compare to Barb?

was thinking to build one and named it Brazzers Knight
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post Apr 3 2014, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 3 2014, 12:08 PM)
Fate of the Fell dropped for me last night. But got a bad roll on it. sad.gif
Was thinking to make 1 of the attribute into socket. Which one should I choose? Vit or Life per wrath spend?
Or just use back my current weapon?
I did use Heaven Fury's a lot on my current build

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wow that flail.. im wanted this skill imba heaven fury's

congratzz rclxms.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(faheem @ Apr 3 2014, 02:59 PM)
wow that flail.. im wanted this skill imba heaven fury's

congratzz  rclxms.gif
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Thank. Was running T1 just to try out new build. Drop off from some trash mob.
Too bad no socket and lower dps than my current 2H. Will try reroll Life per wrath to a socket.
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post Apr 3 2014, 07:41 PM

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another possible build is a fire spec crusader using blessed hammer and consecrate hmm.gif seemed interesting seeing someone else use that. they were using bombardment as their nuke.

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post Apr 3 2014, 10:43 PM

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cry.gif cry.gif i'm so jeles with u guys..sigh..my crusader still need to lvling..
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 3 2014, 03:13 PM)
Thank. Was running T1 just to try out new build. Drop off from some trash mob.
Too bad no socket and lower dps than my current 2H. Will try reroll Life per wrath to a socket.
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u can try heaven's fury rune fires of heaven.. this skill so imba drool.gif drool.gif
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post Apr 4 2014, 12:06 PM

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i just found a leoric signet (found another yesterday as well but was dex)

I'm unsure though if i want to replace the vit or the all resistance to make way for CHD
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I also found a new andariels helm which seems strong if i add in chc for ubers.
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the mempo's is my farming helm with socket for exp
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Anyway regarding the leoric ring, i was checking on vit and all resistance...

gear i most likely won't have all res on is
- glove (trifecta duh)
- bracer (not holding my breath here. cauz i want str chc, as. and usually i aim for vit here rather than ares usually. anything after that is usually icing)
- shield (making room for chc 10)
- rings (trifecta rings. so not normally all res here)


also my gems currently are
- chest (3 diamond max gems)
- pants (2 ruby max gems)


my stats are as such.... *keep in mind a ring is unequiped, and the boot is lv 60...
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the reason i did that, is because in the future i most probably will be using a different set e.g. akarat's or other, and they may not have that all resist bonus. So have to disable it first.

Armor i don't think is that big an issue, because obviously i'll be having str with a ring and better boots. i put in a lv 70 boot and the leoric ring, the str stat makes my armor 14608 which is 80.67% dmg reduction.

For all resistance the 1020 is 74.46% spell dmg reduction





So the question is, is my hp pool high enough ? and is all resistance good enough for torment 6 ? and what about the resistance cap ? Seeing as there is diminishing returns the higher your ares gets, so what is the ares needed to do t6 ? as well as the expected hp ?



Another consideration, if i get all res on leorics, i may be able to replace a diamond gem 78 ares in chest (barely) for a max strength gem 280.

the general consensus in regards to ar and armor ratios for damage mitigation seems to be that for every 1000 armor you should have 1 ares. so if i have 14k armor, then i need 1400 ares for me to achieve a more efficient damage mitigation stat.

While that sort of guideline is good, it doesn't take into account that str not only adds in armor, it also helps your dps. so the question remains, is it worth getting the strength for more damage ? or getting the ares closer to the sweet spot in my example 1400 ish ares ?

so any opinions ?


PS: some insight into how the armor and all resistance mechanism works in damage mitigation
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post Apr 4 2014, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(faheem @ Apr 4 2014, 09:45 AM)
u can try heaven's fury rune fires of heaven.. this skill so imba drool.gif  drool.gif
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Ya. Tried that. Crit 3.8-4mil. A bit low.
My Fell of the fate dps is just too low. Will not use it at this moment sad.gif
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post Apr 4 2014, 01:27 PM

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Finally breached 1m dps lol, but i still massively lack utility

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My helm, shield, and bracer came from Kadala lol.


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