Moogle, are u getting your sustain mainly from your gear or from your crusader abilities?

I'm using wrathful as my main sustain, it was ok when i had lower hp but insufficient now as it does'n't scale, require kiting once in a while. lol

Holy cause doesn't work for me as my AS is too low and i experimented with having few k LOH doesn't work too well for me

Supporting benang Crusader.

tgh keras le ni? between im a new crus here.. still finding good loot to play T1

the crusades marches on ! reporting in for duty !

It's easier to stack dps now. I have some clanmates with 1m+ paper dps

meanwhile, I'm still struggling to reach 100k dps

my updated lv 70 gear...

-shoulder (stats)
-chest (stats)
-pants (yellow non legend) (stats)
- shield (stats and damage mitigator legendary skill)
- 2 hand weapon (has str and vit 900+, a sock with chd, and it's legendary skill is the main driver my whole build revolves around for damage dealing)
- amulet (not trifecta but the clones are nice for added damage)
-boots (doesn't have all res, but i notice i still have 1200 ares even without it, so i use these boots for the stats. it also boosts damage for my fist of the heaven lightning attacks)
- helm ( mempo ros has 3 less attack speed than legacy. But other than that has more strength. I could re roll socket for chc, but i want the socket for ruby to farm exp)


lv60 legacy gear
- gloves (trifecta)
- witching hour (crit hit damage)
- leoric signet (exp ring)
- uber ring (exp ring)


my rings aren't serious ones for dpsing. their just for me to farm exp as i play.

other possible jewelry candidates


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 30 2014, 09:29 PM

updated pics.

When i use my dps rings, some of my stats dropped like the chc, and ares. i think ares is still fine for t1-t2 so i don't i need to add in all resistance to my boots just yet.

chc and attack speed is not quite near what i need them to be. attack speed i probably can get more from paragorn points once i farm up to lv 600. as for chc, either i enchant mempo's to add it in, or i find a lacuni's with 6 chc, and try get my other gear to perf chc to get it to 45-55 chc if possible.

Anyway with my current build and items, i'm doing 1-3 million regular damage. for crits i get roughly 4-5 million crit dmg. This tested in torment 1. As for heaven's fury, it's multiplied by 1680% for each beam for enemies caught in it, and i can spam this spell every 15 seconds with hardly any cost. You do the math.

as for that 38.8 % dmg increase to elites, that is coming from stone of jordan and unity rings. That probably makes up for the fact that they aren't trifecta, i hope.

As for why i am not using ruby gems to pump strength, well i am using all resistance gems to match up my spell damage reduction to be roughly the same as my armor physical damage reduction. Once this was achieved, then i focused on upping my strength. This is the approach i took, because we don't have life steal to depend on, where damage = life regen. So we need to ensure we are perfectly capable of surviving first, then add in damage. And as i find better gear, i may wean this down by replacing an ares gem and adding in a ruby strength gem when the situation allows.

But for now most of my strength comes from
1. paragorn skill
2. gear stats
3. passive (strength for each socket on your gear)





Paragorn skill point tree



Dps rings i have, and will only use for ubers, or when i really have to (probably torment 3-6 and ubers)



How does my build work

I nick named it the shock and awe build. Because it revolves around heaven's fury - ascendency which i dub the ion cannon to be my heavy damage nuke which i cast every 15 seconds when fighting elites, or whenever i am swarmed by many creeps. This build is only possible because of the weapon "fate's of the fell" which gives me 3 instead of just 1 beam.

fist of the heaven is my wrath spammer. I did try the shield charge, but i still like foth. I'm not sure if it's the best, but it works for me.

Steed charge endurance is just for getting around places. it's not really mean't to do much damage, it's just to make myself more mobile.

slash zeal is my regular attacks. I tend to fight bunchs of creeps at the same time, also since i am using a slow 2 handed weapon, i felt that a zealadin build to increase my attack speed was needed.

laws of valor - frozen in terror, is to increase attack speed passive. but the active skill is for 100% chance to stun to make my Shako amulet spawn 2 clones of myself to help deal damage. I'm not sure exactly how much damage they do each, but it works for me.

Akarat's champion replaced my ironhide for defensive. Ironhide is good and be cast more often, but i liked akarat's because i can reduce my heaven's fury timer for a quicker recast, also if i take a death critical blow, it will restore my health full life instead. It's more offensive oriented compared to thick hide.


Holy cause for increase damage. it also heals you when using holy spells, in my case heaven's fury.

insurmountable increases my block by 30 whenever 4 or more mobs swarm me. I find that i tend to need blocks kickin in when there are a huge group of mobs which are 4+ in number, so this works quite often in the situations where i need block to work.

finery gives me strength for each socket i have in my gear. Yes please.

heavenly strength allows me to wield a 2handed weapon in 1 hand, so that i may use a shield as well. This is very important to have. But it sucks that your movement speed is reduced by 15% as a consequence.



There some items that could patch up my build such as....

1. a shield to reduce the cooldown of heaven's fury by as much as 50%
2. a shield to remove the 15% ms nerf from using heavenly strength passive.
3. a shield that restores my life and my allies life based on a percentage of damage i successfully block. this probably would work nicely with unity ring (assuming that the damage i take from team mates via unity can be blocked).


Issues with the build
1. i use 2 handed so my slow swing means less wrath i regen. This causes issues for spamming fist of the heaven. It also doesn't help that my wrath passive regen is also low. The result is that foth isn't spammed as much as it ideally should.
2. my block isn't close to capping 75% I only can get up to 29% (reliably) or 59% if swarmed by 4 or more creeps. So that is 16% block i am missing to cap. Where to get this ? honestly not sure. The justice lantern ring is rather sad to even contemplate.
3. my gear stats is lacking the necessary chc and attack speed to make it better. also seeing as heaven's fury is the goal of my build, this means i should also be hoarding as much chd as i can (assuming that this spell can crit dmg, which i hope it does).

i want to aim for

2 attack speed minimum, 45-55 minimum chc, chd 450+ and the skys the limit.



Other unanswered dilemmas regarding gear

how am i going to swap out lacunis (movement speed, attack speed, crit hit chance, main stat str) bracers, and witching hour (main stat str, all ares, and more importantly crit hit damage) ???



damage mitigation and life regen in the build from the gear, how does it work ?
When i block an attack successfully, my damage blocks the damage but also take 56% less damage. this is why it's important to cap my block to the max 75% .... still a work in progress.

armor and all resistance must be high enough tor the torment level you are doing.

for life regen it's a combination of
1. life per second
2. life per hit.

LPS is self explanatory. But for life per hit, for every enemy i hit, i heal that amount. So if i am slashing hitting 4 targets, then i heal x4 my lph (so i hope... not sure if that is true).

Also holy cause passive, whenever you deal holy damage (in this case heavens fury), heal for 1% of your total health.

My shoulders has a chance to prevent critical death blow from killing me, but instead healing me back to 25% of my total hp. I'm not sure how reliable this is.....

my chest will heal me back to 100% health if i get a survival bonus (i think that is if i get as low as 5% of my hp, and stay below that for 3-5 seconds, before it works)

Also to work with my chest, i got the boots that increases my movement speed by 30% as my life gets low. So i can horse to un-ice myself, to run away, while waiting for my chest to heal me back to full health.

A combination of damage mitigation, high health pool, life per sec, life per hit....... special legendary affixes, is what helps me to survive the onslaught now that life steal is pretty much obsolete.



Summary
I slash attack and spam foth whenever i got wrath to spare, or spread it out over time when needed.

And every 15 seconds i will use the heaven's fury if i am over whelmed, or when fighting elites. I probably save akarats for elites or bad situations, because although the cooldown isn't that long, i like to only use it when i really have to.

So you could call this a zealadin + foth + heavens fury build lulz...

It probably is a bad idea to mix zealadin with HF, because one depends on fast hits (attack speed+ chc, chd), while the other depends on hard hits (CHD, CHC). But while i am waiting for the 15second cooldown, i got to be dealing damage right ? I didn't find it acceptable swining slowly, so that is why i decided on this approach, even though it's problematic getting all trifecta stats near to where i want them to be.


PS: there are alternative builds revolving around my weapon and heaven's fury, which you can view here and elsewhere
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12296459667?page=1

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 31 2014, 09:25 AM

dear Moogle, thanks for your guide...

very usefull and i really like the build

will keep farming for my noob crusader and wish 1day can get gears similar like yours.^^

Please Guide me sensei moogle! Need Advise

I only have cikai2 stuff on my crusader

attack speed alarmingly LOW !! FIX ASAP!

chc seems alrite not too urgent. but always if you can cram in more chc to hit 50 or 55, then nice.

CHD kinda low ....


ur chest and pants should have sockets.... 3 on chest, 2 on pants. Best stats is strength, vit, ares, and the sockets..... a nice white armor is also good. extras after that e.g armor, special legendary is just icing on the cake.

anyway once u socket use the diamond gems to get your ares up. you should be able to then hit 1100-1200 ares easy.

your armor seems fine.

block chance 12 is very low .... a good shield block is normall 29 and above. with the +11 block as well.


533k hp is good but maybe you are sacrificing too much dps potential for unecessarily high hp. i'm 380 hp and doing fine.




This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 31 2014, 02:28 AM

Just one question, what Torment are you running. T6 without sweat?

ASPD is fine, but how are you dealing with the long cooldowns? So while waiting CD you only deal dmg with wrath generator and spender?

Also, +block chance on shield is already added to the shield tool tip of total block chance. Much like weapon DPS. So you don't get +11% more block chance. Just 29 for that Sublime Conviction shield.

i enjoyed playing thorn build crusader [thx wong!]..can kills elites in a blink!

im still newbie tho..just started playing RoS because of crusader class released

soo my paragon level only reach lv40



can do torment 1 easier now..havent tried other level yet..

i did t1-t3 with my build fine haha..

The heaven's fury nuke would work even in a higher torment i suspect because of the dps. but as for my other skills like hotl, and probably some of the others, maybe something different is required for something like torment 6, but i'm not sure what yet.

Gear wise, i built it from the ground up to scale well for the higher torment. So in terms of defensive i think it's pretty solid. The only things to improve it is to find better gear with more stats to hoard.Offensive abilities also isn't a slouch either because i also pay attention to that. But the higher the torment you go, i'm a bit worried that offensive power may not be able to be maxed out, cause you'll be neck deep trying to not die in say torment 6. Before we could just go full dps using barb and just use life steal to support such a high dps build. But without ls, we rely heavily on damage mitigation, and the other less reliable healing methods. So it will be a few months before people figure out what sort of build works in t6, but i suspect a more role oriented game style like 4 player team, the crus acts as a tank maybe using provoke, then being relied on as a tank, while the other 3 are the main dps most part.



Oh by the way, my build i switched akarat's champion for provoke.

Yes it has a 15 second cooldown, but apparently it's probably the best spell in the crusader's arsenal for topping off my wrath resource tank when i run out. So i can spam hotl while waiting for my heavens fury to refresh.

So that pretty much fixed the issue of not being able to spam hotl reasonably more, but now theproblem is, i don't have akarat's champion !



akarat's champion = fast attack speed. also reduces cooldown on spells on every hit (for my heaven's fury). Will auto max health if you receive a critical death blow to help you avoid getting killed.

provoke = wrath top up to refill the tank, to make it so that hotl can be spammed more than 1-2 times then waiting a long time to respam again. also can increase my block chance by alot to make my shield legendary affix to block dodge kick in. and the obvious taunt enemies to group them nice and close so the heavens fury beams are more focused (helps when there isn't a monk around to pull).


they both have their strong points. I'll be testing both out to see which i like most, but i guess most people opt for provoke for the praticality of it to make hotl more meaningful. Because as a 2handed weapon user, there is just no way to regain wrath without using a strong generator such as provoke for a near instant refill when you're out of wrath.

I looked at changing a passive but i didn't really want to change anything there. I looked at replacing another skill, but i can't seem to change what i got. Maybe the buff, but then i'd lose the attack speed passive ! and my amulets shako strategy to proc

And whos gonna remove horsey too useful for getting places. maybe for ubers i can though.



a tanky thorns build in torment 6, may be the superior option to dps and stay alive i suspect but will that be a satisfying way to play though ? That it ends up the only viable build for t6.





when using akarat's champion, very few hotl is being cast because i'm not generating wrath fast enough to spam it effectively. So my dps while waiting on heaven's fury is slashing with the zealadin attack speed buff.

so does that mean a shield showing 29 block chance, and has the 11% in the shield actually the mean isn't 29+11 = 40 block, but is 18+11 ? is that what your saying ?


i think i more or less answered that in my guide. But for more specifics like how much heal you get when using holy spells like heaven's fury - ascendency with the passive holy cause, you will need to google online for the exact amount of heal you can expect.





PS: just 2 reminders

you can watch my crusader in action on my live twitch stream
http://www.twitch.tv/mooglestiltzkin

but seeing as i don't have a 2nd monitor, you can redict your questions to me ingame on my battle tag moogle#6806 if you have questions to ask about what you see in the stream

also that my build isn't one necessarily suited for everyone, because it's specific to the mix of gear that i have. So you don't have some of the gear i have, especially the weapon, you may be disappointed by the result. It's more of a guideline how this sort of build would work, and gives you an indea how to build your own using the gear that you actually do have.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 31 2014, 09:44 AM

1. Considering Legs should be "End Game". You should rethink why couldn't you do a T6. Or at least a T4. With this much paragon level, This amount of AR, but only 300k+ hp, you will still get 1-2 shotted in T4 above. I'm all rares with only 2 legs, Amulet and weapon. And I'm doing T2 with 940+k dmg 11m toughness. I'm only half your Paragon levels at most. You don't need this much AR. This is no longer Inferno kind of play and AR does not increase % by much after 900 because blizzard scaled the increase of AR to gain very little after 900. They can't let you resist 99% against an element which is why if you mouse over your resist, you'll see resists are stuck at 70+%. AR 900 has resist at 75%, AR1.2k has maybe around 79/80% which makes insignificant reduction. Instead, if you use all that 300 AR on something else, you might be able to kill faster, and be more efficient in groups, yet still tank enough.

2. Perhaps you should try CDR (Cooldown Reduction). Crusader is suppose to be hard hitting but slow. I would not spend IAS on this char. I was sitting at 1m dmg and 13m toughness before. But I cannot solo T2 Elites with stupid affixes. I then change to CDR. Currently 31% CDR. My bursts like condemn CD at 10.5 Sec instead of 15. Which lets me burst down Elite packs better. Current Crusader is underpowered due to the long CD, bad wrath regen and bad spender's damage. If they fix any of the 2, then I'll start playing IAS and healing. For now, toughness + CDR wins Elites.

3. Yes, that means your shield is originally 18% Block chance, rolled a +11% which makes it 29%.



This post has been edited by HeartRoxas: Mar 31 2014, 10:16 AM

that is definitely a valid arguement. i agree in the lower torments, my current ares is probably overkill but i leave it as such so i can do higher torments without having to re-jewel so often. it cost me like 1.2m + to unsocket....



i'm also beginning to wonder that i should. hotl doesn't seem to be affected by attack speed, and i pretty much use that and heaven's fury.

thx for clearing that up, now i know for sure

1.78 attack per second with 2handed weapon. how can u get such a high attack speed omg

Try increase Holy Dmg % on gear. IAS doesn't benefit all skills.

my chick crusader still stuck at lvl 23... damn too slow..


btw i see wee back to stoneage again... need to take profile SS bcos online profile not working properly..

This post has been edited by Sabenarian: Mar 31 2014, 11:04 AM

what are the most important attributes on a gear for crus iirc for def you said something like All resist > armor > hp

what about offensive?