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post Apr 23 2014, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 02:52 PM)
But Company A.. is still DY 10% wor... 7% still cannot catch up...  how?  wink.gif

Calculate it and you will see what i mean..
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...capital growth? cos earnings grow, P/E will follow suit...? unsure.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 23 2014, 02:55 PM)
...capital growth? cos earnings grow, P/E will follow suit...? unsure.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 02:56 PM)
only by calculating you will get enlightenment..  icon_idea.gif
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I also dunno what u want me to calculate rclxub.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 23 2014, 02:58 PM)
I also dunno what u want me to calculate rclxub.gif
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You put RM 10000 in both company A and B and collect dividend.. then 10 years later sell off both shares.

Which one will give you a higher TOTAL earnings?

We ignore interest rate from dividend received for now. wink.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 03:01 PM)
You put RM 10000 in both company A and B and collect dividend.. then 10 years later sell off both shares.

Which one will give you a higher TOTAL earnings?

We ignore interest rate from dividend received for now.  wink.gif
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Ooh

Assuming constant P/E

The company with growth will give u capital growth lor
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 23 2014, 03:02 PM)
Ooh

Assuming constant P/E

The company with growth will give u capital growth lor
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Ya ya ya... give the numbers lah.. tongue.gif

or not you cannot see how much. tongue.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 03:03 PM)
Ya ya ya... give the numbers lah..  tongue.gif

or not you cannot see how much.  tongue.gif
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I'm not THAT free now doh.gif

and I'm using wide screen monitor now...aunty duduk sebelah complain aku nanti sweat.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:12 PM

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Anyway I give you answer.

Company A
Invest 10,000 shares @ RM 1 = RM 10,000
10 years of dividend received = RM 10,000
Shares sold @ RM 1 @ PE 10x = RM 10,000
Total received = RM 20,000

Total Earnings = RM 20,000 - RM 10,000 = RM 10,000

CAGR 7.81%, Not too bad eh? wink.gif

Company B
Invest 10,000 shares @ RM 1 = RM 10,000
10 years of dividend received = RM 4,781
Shares sold @ RM 2.35 @ PE 10x = RM 23,500
Total received = RM 28,281

Total Earnings = RM 28,281 - RM 10,000 = RM 18,281

CAGR 10.96% ... drool.gif

So.. is buying on yield better or buying on growth better? whistling.gif

See what i mean? wink.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Apr 23 2014, 03:13 PM
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:15 PM

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post Apr 23 2014, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 03:12 PM)
Anyway I give you answer.

Company A
Invest 10,000 shares @ RM 1 = RM 10,000
10 years of dividend received =  RM 10,000
Shares sold @ RM 1 @ PE 10x = RM 10,000
Total received = RM 20,000

Total Earnings = RM 20,000 - RM 10,000 = RM 10,000

CAGR 7.81%, Not too bad eh?  wink.gif

Company B
Invest 10,000 shares @ RM 1 = RM 10,000
10 years of dividend received =  RM 4,781
Shares sold @ RM 2.35 @ PE 10x = RM 23,500
Total received = RM 28,281

Total Earnings = RM 28,281 - RM 10,000 = RM 18,281

CAGR 10.96% ...  drool.gif

So.. is buying on yield better or buying on growth better?  whistling.gif

See what i mean?  wink.gif
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Objection!

Your calculation ignores the fact that u COULD reinvest dividends tongue.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 23 2014, 03:17 PM)
Objection!

Your calculation ignores the fact that u COULD reinvest dividends tongue.gif
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You calculate reinvest and see how? whistling.gif

Company A on linear earnings...

Company B on exponential earnings...

exponential > linear.. whistling.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Apr 23 2014, 03:22 PM
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 03:20 PM)
You calculate reinvest and see how?  whistling.gif

Company A on linear earnings...

Company B on exponential earnings...

exponential > linear..  whistling.gif
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That is for TOTAL RETURN

But if I invest to get a stream of (growing) passive income...I think divvy is superior hmm.gif

unless u trade in and out to realise the capital gains sweat.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:36 PM

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Come support YTL...
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post Apr 23 2014, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 23 2014, 03:26 PM)
That is for TOTAL RETURN

But if I invest to get a stream of (growing) passive income...I think divvy is superior hmm.gif

unless u trade in and out to realise the capital gains sweat.gif
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what is the difference between total return and piece by piece return? rolleyes.gif

Earnings is all about total cash received in hand... wink.gif

Still dont want to see the big picture eh? tongue.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Apr 23 2014, 04:00 PM
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post Apr 23 2014, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 03:59 PM)
what is the difference between total return and piece by piece return?  rolleyes.gif

Earnings is all about total cash received in hand...  wink.gif
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If u buy and hold...divvy is still superior lor for generating passive income (read - COLD HARD CASH).

If u don't sell, capital gains are just paper gains that u can't use to buy beers and condoms tongue.gif

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post Apr 23 2014, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 23 2014, 03:36 PM)
Come support YTL...
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I support you via WB... laugh.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 23 2014, 04:00 PM)
If u buy and hold...divvy is still superior lor for generating passive income (read - COLD HARD CASH).

If u don't sell, capital gains are just paper gains that u can't use to buy beers and condoms tongue.gif
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Hahaha... sell the stock ... not cold hard cash ah? then what?...

Ok want to talk divvy....

what if hold 20 years, company B dividend yield on cost is now how much? Still beats Company A..... hands down. tongue.gif

However you want to manipulate, the answer is out there...

growth > divvy.. whistling.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Apr 23 2014, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 04:01 PM)
I support you via WB...  laugh.gif
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No, no... that is YTLP...

I play with mother...
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 23 2014, 04:02 PM)
Hahaha... sell the stock ... not cold hard cash ah? then what?...

Ok want to talk divvy....

what if hold 20 years, company B dividend yield on cost is now how much? Still beats Company A..... hands down.  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 23 2014, 04:03 PM)
No, no... that is YTLP...

I play with mother...
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Sounds so...wrong tongue.gif

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