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 -+♠+-LYN Proton Persona Owners Club V51-+♠+-, New / Naive members, pls read first post

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ngeo88
post Apr 19 2014, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Apr 18 2014, 01:54 PM)
bcz waja can achieve 12-13km/L easily with 80% city drive condition... yawn.gif
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Got people willing sell off new car and buy used car....haiz this make us driving persona feel so sad like our car so suck that worse than a used old car .... Sad
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post Apr 19 2014, 12:22 PM

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Hey guys,
my car is going to reach it's 40K milage soon and i notice that the tires are pretty used up. I was wondering - How much does it cost to change my tires? and any recommended places in PJ to change em?

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post Apr 19 2014, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(lilac @ Apr 19 2014, 12:22 PM)
Hey guys,
my car is going to reach it's 40K milage soon and i notice that the tires are pretty used up. I was wondering - How much does it cost to change my tires? and any recommended places in PJ to change em?
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A set of mid range tyres will probably cost you from RM900 and above, but there ones that are below RM200 per piece. I don't really know what tyre shops are recommended around PJ, and don't have any to recommend either. But I would suggest that you avoid the Continental tyre shop at Damansara Jaya. I just ask for the manufacturing date of the tyres I was buying and the manager is already unhappy. He thought that I don't understand chinese / cantonese so he told his colleague that the customer is duo si. If you are able to drive all the way to Jalan Ipoh, why don't you pay a visit to Kean Lee Hin nestum? I believe that his service will be very satisfactory judging from the response of the forum members.

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post Apr 19 2014, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 19 2014, 02:38 AM)
What's the mileage? have replace fuel pump before?

becareful as Wajunk is femes for fuel pump failure....either the fuel pump or the fuel pump relay.
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195000km+- ok will take note of the fuel pump...isit bcz of fuel pump goin to rosak then fc very good? flex.gif

QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Apr 19 2014, 09:20 AM)
Got people willing sell off new car and buy used car....haiz this make us driving persona feel so sad like our car so suck that worse than a used old car .... Sad
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After i drove my fren waja and with a mileage touching 200k km and with that beter fc than persona...(less problematic than my persona too) might as well jz cincai get a used car with lesser problems... Ur guys persona is good...only mine is super lemon unit. So u guys can stick to persona. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 19 2014, 02:04 PM

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Yes I have 2 waja..10 years both fuel pump oso gotta change.
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post Apr 19 2014, 04:11 PM

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Darn Proton, my friend bought Persona SV a month ago, last week aircond leaking have to send back service centre.

Friend's uncle bought also, the steering become harder and harder, send back to SC found out steering oil leak.


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post Apr 19 2014, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(szaku89 @ Apr 19 2014, 04:11 PM)
Darn Proton, my friend bought Persona SV a month ago, last week aircond leaking have to send back service centre.

Friend's uncle bought also, the steering become harder and harder, send back to SC found out steering oil leak.
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after seeing so many door issue, + now the problem yr friends having, seems more like SV = Sacrificed Value? laugh.gif
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post Apr 20 2014, 12:23 AM

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Sv is sohai vehicle
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post Apr 20 2014, 03:40 PM

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But then put aside quality control issues, its indeed a Super Value car. You cant find such a comfortable car at such a price anywhere else.
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post Apr 20 2014, 03:42 PM

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My SV 2months + , 6k mileage, so far so good, touch wood.
Previously fixed small issue such as back door prob.
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post Apr 20 2014, 04:25 PM

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And to think that a mature model would be problem free whistling.gif. There's a lot of fixing to be done which includes Proton's employees.
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post Apr 20 2014, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(normal_user @ Apr 19 2014, 12:46 AM)
Hi I need advice from sifus here. biggrin.gif

My 2009 M-line Persona already clocked 80K km plus, and the suspension has lost its bite. I remembered how if felt so comfy when I drove it home the first time. I just bought Almera for wife, used it quite often and when return driving the Persona, my car felt lousy in terms of comfort & refinement (but still great on handling & steering feedback). I realized my Persona is ageing fast, with all type of sounds coming from the dashboard and left door assembly when driving over uneven surface or bumps. To compare, my friends' City, Altis and Livina mileage all had reached 100K but never encountered such problem nor changed their absorbers. To summarize, here are the sounds:

Kraaaaak : when alight & moving out from car.
Kiook: suspension noise when driving over bumps slow at 10kmh
krik krik krik: something inside dashboard rattling
tak tuk tak tuk: something inside the door assembly rattling

See, I don't need to turn on the radio to play music in my Persona. As much as I love my car for its brilliant handling and solid drive, the enjoyment was somewhat hampered by these annoying noises.

So, my questions are:

1. Does changing Proton original shock absorber can eliminate this? Can it make the ride comfort feel 'quite like new'?

2. Where is the best place to fix the interior (dashboard and door) assembly fit & finish to eradicate the noise? Can Proton SC do the job?
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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Apr 19 2014, 02:29 AM)
1. Changing the absorbers will probably make the ride better especially if they're already very worn out.
2. Any workshop / accessory shop can do the job, but the job quality may not be satisfactory. If you're willing to pay a Proton SC to do the job, why not? The price may or will probably be on the higher side though, and there's no guarantee that they'll be better than the workshops / accessory shops around, but since it's an official / authorised SC there should be less risk of getting a shoddy job.

Just to add on, aside from absorbers, you may want to consider inspecting all the bushings of the car to see which is worn out and replace accordingly. This may reduce noise and/or improve your car's handling as well. Also consider replacing the rubber seals for the doors, and maybe if you have extra cash, send the car for soundproofing for the doors / floor pan ke whatever part which has the greatest source of noise.
Or just buy the sports car myvi / super car vios and settle, really.
Edit: About the "krak" sound, it may be related to your drum brakes. When was the last time you replaced the shoes? What about the brake fluid condition/level? I used to have a lot of sounds coming from the rear brakes when entering / alighting from the car, which I don't really know how it disappeared later on. Maybe it's cause I topped up the brake fluid, replaced it, or maybe it just decided to cabut.
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Yeah I haven't checked the rear drums, although I've skimmed front dics & changed brakes twice. Brake fluid is sufficient. The noise doesn't bother me much as it happen during entering/alighting from the car. Its the dashboard sound that is irritating.

Well, at least my Persona's comfort is better than Myvi with same mileage. Myvi with that mileage usually in dire need of absorber change (based on driving 4 different old myvis).

Thanks for the advice smile.gif


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QUOTE(normal_user @ Apr 20 2014, 06:51 PM)
Yeah I haven't checked the rear drums, although I've skimmed front dics & changed brakes twice. Brake fluid is sufficient. The noise doesn't bother me much as it happen during entering/alighting from the car. Its the dashboard sound that is irritating.

Well, at least my Persona's comfort is better than Myvi with same mileage. Myvi with that mileage usually in dire need of absorber change (based on driving 4 different old myvis).

Thanks for the advice  smile.gif
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How high do you usually pull the handbrake lever to? I normally pull mine to the max if it's on a slope, or about half of max or less if it's on relatively flat ground. I also let my car roll front / backwards with the handbrake on after parking before engaging the parking brake to prevent the parking brakes from being the one that holds the car still. That was a long time ago though, and I no longer put the car into P. I just put it in N, pull the handbrake, let it move until it stops and then alight from the car.
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post Apr 20 2014, 07:59 PM

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Hello guys. Hope you guys don't mind.
I'm helping to spread words for Nanolub.
We will be having an event.
Whoever buy a bottle of Nanolub will get free dyno run. Before and after pouring in Nanolub.
Details as follow :
Date : 4th of May 2014 (might extend one more day because of overwhelm demand)
Venue : RS Dyno Puchong
Price : Rm80 for one bottle of Nanolub RCX WS2

Interested parties may PM me to register.
Any enquiries please do not hesitate to ask me.
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post Apr 20 2014, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(kennywee92 @ Apr 20 2014, 07:59 PM)
Hello guys. Hope you guys don't mind.
I'm helping to spread words for Nanolub.
We will be having an event.
Whoever buy a bottle of Nanolub will get free dyno run. Before and after pouring in Nanolub.
Details as follow :
Date : 4th of May 2014 (might extend one more day because of overwhelm demand)
Venue : RS Dyno Puchong
Price : Rm80 for one bottle of Nanolub RCX WS2

Interested parties may PM me to register.
Any enquiries please do not hesitate to ask me.
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Wah. So cheap ka? hmm.gif I'm interested in the bottle but not so on the dyno part. Besi buruk dyno apa

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post Apr 20 2014, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Apr 20 2014, 08:09 PM)
Wah. So cheap ka? hmm.gif I'm interested in the bottle but not so on the dyno part. Besi buruk dyno apa

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Yeah. Charity event tongue.gif
Bottle can get anytime from me smile.gif
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post Apr 20 2014, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(kennywee92 @ Apr 20 2014, 08:30 PM)
Yeah. Charity event tongue.gif
Bottle can get anytime from me smile.gif
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Yours and the "extreme" version is different right?
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post Apr 20 2014, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(szaku89 @ Apr 20 2014, 03:40 PM)
But then put aside quality control issues, its indeed a Super Value car. You cant find such a comfortable car at such a price anywhere else.
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Exactly. The Persona has the cheapest ownership cost, and yet is more fun to drive, and even more comfortable than the RM115K Honda Civic. The Japanese B-segments (City, Vios, Almera) has no match for Persona in terms of continental solid ride & handling balance. I recently owned Almera, and despite its smoothness, it cannot match Persona's pure driving fun & joy. Againts the C-segment below RM120K, only its sophisticated sibling, the Preve can beat its 'fun to drive' factor (by a small margin). Meanwhile, despite the Altis and Sylphy has better comfort, their handling & steering feel is no-where to match the Persona. It is proven reliable despite there are quite a number of lemons out there. My father in-law has one that clocked nearly 200K km, and yet it rides comfortable with no major problems and never broke down whether on garage or middle of the road.

The Persona's archilles heel remain its mediocre interior fit and finish quality, less than remarkable engine refinement and squeaky sounds inside the cabin.

QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Apr 20 2014, 07:03 PM)
How high do you usually pull the handbrake lever to? I normally pull mine to the max if it's on a slope, or about half of max or less if it's on relatively flat ground. I also let my car roll front / backwards with the handbrake on after parking before engaging the parking brake to prevent the parking brakes from being the one that holds the car still. That was a long time ago though, and I no longer put the car into P. I just put it in N, pull the handbrake, let it move until it stops and then alight from the car.
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I usually set to P, when the car really stops and not moving anymore. After that I pull the handbrake at 2/3 capacity (2 clicks I think). Only full when on a slope.


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QUOTE(normal_user @ Apr 20 2014, 09:24 PM)
Exactly. The Persona has the cheapest ownership cost, and yet is more fun to drive, and even more comfortable than the RM115K Honda Civic. The Japanese B-segments (City, Vios, Almera) has no match for Persona in terms of continental solid ride & handling balance. I recently owned Almera, and despite its smoothness, it cannot match Persona's pure driving fun & joy. Againts the C-segment below RM120K, only its sophisticated sibling, the Preve can beat its 'fun to drive' factor (by a small margin). Meanwhile, despite the Altis and Sylphy has better comfort, their handling & steering feel is no-where to match the Persona. It is proven reliable despite there are quite a number of lemons out there. My father in-law has one that clocked nearly 200K km, and yet it rides comfortable with no major problems and never broke down whether on garage or middle of the road.

The Persona's archilles heel remain its mediocre interior fit and finish quality, less than remarkable engine refinement and squeaky sounds inside the cabin.
I usually set to P, when the car really stops and not moving anymore. After that I pull the handbrake at 2/3 capacity (2 clicks I think). Only full when on a slope.
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Why don't you try pulling the handbrake first then shift to P when the car has stopped moving with only the handbrake on? I believe that may very well be the cause of the krak ehh em sound when you get in or out of the car. My abah punya D segment also got this sort of sound (emmm sound) from the rear brakes when alighting / entering the car with that sort of parking technique.

I agree that the car is very nice to drive. How it compares to the cars you have mentioned, I don't know except for the Almera. Quiet? Yes. Smooth? Hmmm I guess. Steering feel? Very inaccurate, light and the steering correction to center is so strong it's unpleasant.

Edit: What about armadasaxon's opinion? cool2.gif I hear that the new Honda City stops and goes like the wind and the new Altis is amazing. icon_idea.gif

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post Apr 20 2014, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Apr 20 2014, 08:47 PM)
Yours and the "extreme" version is different right?
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No idea if they added anything else into it. Mine is repackaged in Malaysia for Malaysia market. Theirs is from Singapore.

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