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 Proton Prevé V20, Don't provoke the modest beast!

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sanadi
post Mar 11 2014, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(grivhuey @ Mar 11 2014, 09:11 PM)
Hey, I have an issue here before i go for some checking in the service center.

I own a non-turbo auto preve.

Just recently, I can here a heavy sound "clak" for everyt time of approaching the first 40km/h after a cold start.
I've been observing this for approx 3 weeks already. There will be no other sound after this situation until another cold start, it would repeat.
I wonder what is the problem, did u guys have this kind of problem and how u guys deal with it?
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Normal, ABS self-test.
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post Mar 11 2014, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(grivhuey @ Mar 11 2014, 09:20 PM)
Huh? But i've been using shell ever since i bought it, from Aug 2012?
Urs have such sound as well? The sound just appeared like 3 weeks ago..
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Just a single 'TAK'. It was there since I bought the car.
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post Mar 11 2014, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(mysai @ Mar 11 2014, 09:56 PM)
Hi Guys, I have been trying to find out which model of the Player that my Preve Premium uses but with no result.  What is the model of the player?  Or should I say Lokatoo player?
Also, I have read in some of the forums that our Lokatoo can be upgraded to Garmin or Papago.  Any idea who, where or how to get this done?  I personally feel the Lokatoo is no where in comparison to the Garmin or Papago that I use currently in my other cars.
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Preve Premium CFE? It is from Bosch. Called Bosch Multimedia Compact. Cannot be changed to Garmin of Papago. Better get a new head unit if you want to change the GPS.

It is also used by Suzuki SX4 Style:




Opel Corsa:


And Nissan, with some UI update:


And you must have heard it, "Please drive onto a digitised road" biggrin.gif

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post Mar 11 2014, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Mar 11 2014, 10:45 PM)
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i hate it. screen small, button too many. indonesian CFE have better HU than us
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It is adequate for me. I can listen to radio, MP3. The sound is decent. I already got a reverse camera connected to it. As for navigation, I'm using Garmin Nuvi 3592. Route calculation is VERY FAST. Map is very good, and free too.

I'm looking for a replacement head unit, but none is available yet that fits my needs.

My requirements:
* 6" or larger screen
* Internet connected
* Able to run waze & google maps
* Can install torque & read bluetooth obdII adapter
* movie playback
* youtube
* DAB (Digital Audio Broadcast) & DVB-T (Digital Video Broadcast-Terrestrial) for future proofing
* GPS with free & timely map updates


Some of the requirements can be met by Kenwood DNN9330BT & Clarion NX702A. Until then, I'm happy with stock head unit & my Garmin Nuvi 3592 (which is android based btw, with google maps & waze)
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sanadi
post Mar 11 2014, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(khairilyazit @ Mar 11 2014, 11:06 PM)
then need to change to bigger turbo leh.. heheh
why dont u try the pioneer appradio?
AppRadio3
AppRadio3
Pioneer AVIC

it is mirrorlink compatible meaning u just need a connector and ur smartphone is all u need to bring... anything that is on ur phone, is on ur head unit as well..

or just look for any HU that is Mirrorlink capable..
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I have looked into mirror link, even wireless mirror link. It is a stop-gap measure to what I really want, a car computer. The best choice that is available for me right now is a "rooted" kenwood DNN9930BT. But review of a similar product, Kenwood Excellon DNN990HD (in the US), reveal problems of software hanging, haywire USB. Essentially buggy software. So I'm simply in waiting mode, getting the funds ready when the next generation of Android Head Unit comes out and fits my needs.
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post Mar 11 2014, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(khairilyazit @ Mar 11 2014, 11:23 PM)
if not.. u do it like this la..


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If all else fails, then that is the way.

This is what I'm looking at currently:


It runs on Android 4

What's missing?
* software still somewhat unstable and buggy (next version should be better I hope)
* locked software, I can't install what I want from Google Play

So that's why I'm just waiting. Version 2 of Kenwood's Android head unit might have what I want.
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post Mar 12 2014, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(farghmee @ Mar 12 2014, 09:10 AM)
mgkn VGT lagi ok kot?

kalu nk twincharged:
big turbo compressor kt depan, superchgd scroll kt belakang?
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There's no VGT for petrol engine. The exhaust gas from petrol engines is too hot and make the variable vanes unreliable. A simpler method is to use twin scroll, i.e. 2 exhaust scrolls in the turbine side. That is what BMW, KIA et. al. are using.


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post Mar 15 2014, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(k3v1n @ Mar 15 2014, 01:29 PM)
http://www.carlist.my/used-cars/1327582/pr...-and-ipad-.html

How come discount so many?? clear stock?
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T&C Apply. It says RM66K if NCD 55%. You don't know what other terms to get the RM66K. You only know when you enquire in person.
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post Mar 26 2014, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(spikee7 @ Mar 26 2014, 12:48 PM)
Always give new cars the best they can get. Treating my CFE with Syn5000 until major service biggrin.gif
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Question is which one is better for CFE? me noob about this...
Cose said syntium 3000 is not suitable for CFE...
she said too thin and may effect the turbo engine sweat.gif
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Don't trust the SA, trust the engineers. They wrote the manual. And the recommended API SL 10W30 mineral or better. That means Syntium 3000 5W40 is very good enough for CFE. The engine was developed with help froum Lotus and designed to work with low viscosity engine oils. The turbo is Borg Warner KP39, and used by other car makers such as Ford and VW. VW recommends 5W40 and Ford recommend 5W30.

Don't worry about 5W or 10W, just worry about the last part, i.e W40, W30.

FYI I'm using Syntium 5000 0W30.
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post Apr 9 2014, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(fwhoam @ Apr 9 2014, 07:30 AM)
anybody here got the online version manual for cfe head unit?
mind to share.
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For Proton, no online version. But have got for Vauxhall Antara, which uses the same Bosch Multimedia Compact as Preve CFE. Just that it is rebadged as Opel Touch & Connect.

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/content/dam/Vaux...3_low%20res.pdf

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post Apr 21 2014, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Apr 21 2014, 07:48 AM)
Okay, an update. I once made a comment that the Preve Turbo's top speed is about 180km/h as the engine sounds like it's going to blow up at that point. Just early this morning I managed to go past 200km/h, around 205km/h or 210km/h. Must be due to some new music I was playing at that time that adds to the mood(The Fray and Coldplay).

Coincidentally a Toyota Camry was also doing around 200km/h trying to catch up.
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Probably also the effect of the cooler air temperature due to current rainy season. I can feel the car effortlessly accelerating right after a long heavy rain. Though I don't go fast due to slippery road, I can feel the acceleration is smoother.
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post Apr 21 2014, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(khairilyazit @ Apr 21 2014, 10:10 AM)
its a known fact that the proton cfe intake temp is very high.. in the 50C... so colder temp lower intake temp.. more powahhh... but turbo generally like cool but dry air.. not cool and humid air like ours..
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I have Torque and bluetooth OBD2 adaptor. In clear air, cruising at 80 kph, the Intake Air Temp (IAT) is 40*C. During traffic jams, it goes to 75*C. That seems quite hot, but once you start moving it quickly goes down back to 40*C.
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post Apr 21 2014, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(khairilyazit @ Apr 21 2014, 10:46 AM)
well.. 40 degrees C is still high.. the timing is probably retarded...
most turbo with intercooler aims to get IAT near or below ambient temp..
a cooler IAT is probably more beneficial to the engine..
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I'm sure it was retarded. I was cruising at 80 kph, steady state, low load, closed loop. I like to know these things so that I know what is normal for the car. That way, I can get advance warning when something is going to go wrong by looking at the data.
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post Apr 21 2014, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 21 2014, 10:50 AM)
IINM Saga's intake temp also hovers around 40°c-50°c most of the time, I think it's pretty normal lah.

75°c is quite hot  sweat.gif
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75*C was during traffic jam. It is a turbo car, so it is hotter. You a not moving, thus you get heat soak. You are taking in hot air heated by exhaust gasses from cars around you. So yeah, traffic jams are bad. tongue.gif
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post Apr 21 2014, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(khairilyazit @ Apr 21 2014, 11:05 AM)
we are not alone..

audiworld

maybe a bigger IC would make a difference?
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Is it necessary? I feel the performance is adequate for a family sedan. Even when heat soaked, the cooling system is good enough to keep the temps where they should be, and the performance does not degrade too much.
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post Apr 24 2014, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Apr 24 2014, 11:17 PM)
If you want to drag race, is to shift when 'the power drop at the lower gear coincides with the power rise at the higher gear'.
So, taking the stock dyno chart below as example, it seems you need to rev until 5500 RPM, then shift, and if the RPM should drop to 4500 RPM, because the HP at the two RPM is the same...

So, need to test few times to know at each gear, what is the best RPM to shift, which is why some dyno charts are done at each gear position.

So, the perfect shift would mean at each gear, you shift up at the right RPM that matches the HP of the next gear, all the way until the final gear.

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Or you could just put to "S mode" and let the RPM maintain at peak HP. That's the beauty of CVT


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post Apr 25 2014, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Apr 25 2014, 04:41 PM)
May I know where you get the OBD2 from? Local or ebay?
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I bought it from garage sales
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...=bluetooth+obd2
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post Apr 27 2014, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Apr 26 2014, 09:30 PM)
Thanks, did u get the old version, or the new version?
Does it get disconnected, or hang?
Do you unplug it after turn off the engine?
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I think mine is the old version, the transparent blue one. I leave it in the car, connected to the OBD port.

Does it get disconnected or hang? YES unfortunately. It's cheap, if you need more robust data logging that adapter is not it. HOWEVER, you can set a few settings, such as disable "Faster communication" and enable "Disable ELM327 auto timing adjust (Slow mode)" in Torque. Now I can get 1.5 hours of connection with the ODB. The update rate is a little slow, about 1 per second, but it is OK for me as it is just for observation data.
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This is the reading from my OBD today, during jam in Federal Highway. I was creeping along in traffic, and the IAT is quite high:
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A few minutes later when traffic clears, I got to 80 kph and the temps quickly goes down. Here I am decelerating (foot off the pedal, that's why the fuel flow is so low and it is deep in vaccuum:
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post Apr 28 2014, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 28 2014, 12:04 AM)
Preve deceleration (lift off throttle, engine braking) doesn't go into open loop mode?  hmm.gif
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That's the result of "Slow mode" option in Torque, for more stable connection with the OBD2 Adapter. I think some sensors are polled differently.
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post May 2 2014, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(fzul07 @ May 2 2014, 11:04 AM)
Hi all,

My car about to service tomorrow.. It is for my 20000km / 3rd time service..
But currently my alignment a little bit off, is it ok to do the alignment/balancing outside or i need to do at proton SC? I just afraid it will void my warranty..

Btw, it is only 1 year old car smile.gif

Thanks in advance
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Alignment & balancing is always better to do outside. That is the speciality of tyre shops.

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