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 Proton PrevĂ© V20, Don't provoke the modest beast!

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kulatkia
post Mar 12 2014, 08:57 AM

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hey guys, any PG SC can PM me the best deal of Preve CFE manufacturer yr 2014? thx in advance!
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post Apr 16 2014, 09:18 AM

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dear sifu,
surprisingly i can't find basic guidance check during car collection at first page. am i miss out any? pls guide me. thx!
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post Apr 18 2014, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(elvatra @ Apr 16 2014, 11:08 AM)
Well, first of all, check the chasis no, engine no match ur car grant or not.

secondly, check on ur car paint, is there any dented

third, check all the equipment is working properly like side mirror, auto window, door open n close  all, boots, bonets. check the seat if is ok, the compartment is working. radio is working,

forth, start the engine, go for a round. if sound ok then should be ok.

and one more thing, make sure if the SA promise u anything like a full tank of petrol, tinted, gps, YES 4G, make sure u get it on the spot.

if not ask them to write down and sign if anything they owe u.

So, after all checks is done, then you are a happy man to bring ur car home. biggrin.gif
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noted with thx Bro thumbup.gif
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post Apr 18 2014, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(HeReLiSm @ Apr 16 2014, 05:24 PM)
its in post #3 smile.gif

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TQ bro n had downloaded rclxms.gif
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post Apr 18 2014, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(flex3x @ Apr 17 2014, 01:50 PM)
Locks

Keyless Entry (Lock and unlock using remote)
Manual Entry (Lock and unlock using key)
Master Lock
Individual Lock
Alarm
Alarm reset switch

Windows

Power Windows(Check that the driver side auto window is working)
Windows control Lock

Electric Mirrors

Electric Mirrors Control ( Up, Down, Left & Right )
Folding Mirrors(Check that the Mirrors can be retractable by either manual or electrical folding.)

Console

Engine Start Button (if any)
Air-Conditioning
Fan Speeds
Rear Demister
Radio/CD/DVD Player
Reverse Camera (if any)
Steering controls (if any)

Switches

Headlights
Directional Signals
High Beam
Hazard Lights
Parking Lights
Tail Lights
Brake Lights
Fog Lamps
Interior light
Wiper (Make sure each speed is correct)
Wiper Spray
Horn

Dashboard

Dashboard lights come on when headlights are on
Information lights (eg. Parking brake ) are lit at relevant time
Check that odometer does not display excessive mileage

Transmission & Brakes

Smooth Gearshift
Automatic transmission
Over Drive button
Shift Lock button
Footbrake
Handbrake

Things to look out for:
Test auto-transmission for shock while engaging gear.
Make sure that the brake has to be depressed to shift out of Park mode.
Make sure that the car can only start in Neutral or Park mode.

Other Interiors

Steering wheel properly aligned
Steering wheel adjusting lever
Bonnet release lever
Boot release lever
Fuel tank release lever
Check for stains and holes on seats
Seat adjuster (Forward, backward, recline)
Seat belts (Check that the Seat belts lock when pulled hard)
Seat belts height adjuster
Check for scratches and dents on the trims
Rear Mirror
Glove box
Check for stains on carpets
Air-con vents (Check that they are able to move freely)
Speakers
Moonroof (Opens and closes fully)

Exterior

Check that car plate is correct
Check that body surface is free from dents and scratches.
Check that windows and windscreens are free from stains and scratches
Check that lights are clear and undamaged
Check that door handles are working
Check that tyres are free from holes and punctures
Check that rims are free from scratches
Check that the radio antenna is working
Check that fuel cap is secured

Under The Bonnet

Engine Oil level
Brake Fluid level
Battery Water level
Transmission Fluid level
Coolant level
Air-Conditioning gas level
Check engine compartment with any obvious defects and damage

Inside the Boot

Base board
Boot light
Tool kit
Spare tyre

Documentation

Road Tax Disc
Vehicle log card
Certificate of insurance
Car owner manual

Miscellaneous

Check tyres pressure
Cruise control (if any)
All goodies promised are given
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thx for the details bro thumbup.gif

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post Apr 20 2014, 03:35 PM

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Any sifu here can help regarding below scenario I(sorry out of topic)

Will I lose 55% ncd if I late renew my car insurance n road tax? The in advance

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post Apr 20 2014, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Apr 20 2014, 06:49 PM)
Some yes some not. At least on myeg, that is the case. With Etiqa in MyEG, we will lose NCB but not with RHB.
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Thx Sifu... This gonna make me trouble soon by purchase new car...
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post Apr 24 2014, 04:10 PM

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WTA sifu:
firstly i'm poor in auto technical knowledge, hence i keen to know wat is the max output if turbo turn OFF? assuming the stated max output for CFE (103kw/5000rpm) on paper was cal when turbo ON. pls educate. thx. notworthy.gif

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post Apr 25 2014, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(amimjk @ Apr 24 2014, 04:55 PM)
I'm not a sifu, just a high school student (and lowyat silent reader lol). Your question may become a subject of laughter, honestly. But it's a good question though. Anyway, all turbocharged engines in the world have their turbos run PERMANENTLY. It's a vital mechanical of a turbocharged engine. No such thing as "turbo off" or whatever. The concept is similar to supercharger but turbos work differently.

To give you an idea...
Normal engine are just like our nose. Engine take outside air, burn, CO2 out.
Turbo/supercharged engine.. imagine your nose is a vacuum cleaner lol. Suck more air = more oxygen = bigger bang in the engine = more power and torque.

It doesn't really work like that of course, just to give you an idea of it's function icon_rolleyes.gif
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Not too worry I'm learning. I was told by my SA, turbo only turn on when rpm reach above 2.5 so I have this question in my mind :blush in fact that wrong info capture after I read Ur explanation... Thx anyway rclxms.gif
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post Apr 25 2014, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(cts0418 @ Apr 24 2014, 04:58 PM)
Maybe he wants to noe the power of campro cfe without turbo since it's abit different compare to the iafm one
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Thx Bro.. U read my mind biggrin.gif
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post Apr 25 2014, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 25 2014, 12:31 AM)
The turbo only spools to full boost at 2k RPM, below that it the turbine is still spinning the pump, just not producing a lot of boost if  any at all.

Anyway, the CFE has lower compression compared to IAFM+. If it so happens that your turbo rosak-ed and not boosting at all, it should be producing less power than the IAFM+ and consuming more fuel.
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thx bro, is tat meant below 2krpm that might possible consume more petrol as its heavy weight body (underpower condition)... hmm.gif

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post Apr 25 2014, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Apr 25 2014, 08:49 AM)
Turbo engines have lower compression. In most cases, it is going to use more fuel. Not underpowered below 2K, turbo don't just ON when it reach 2000 RPM.
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post Apr 25 2014, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 25 2014, 09:57 AM)
The turbo boost don't just suddenly turn on at 2k RPM....it is still spooling below 2k RPM, just not spooled to maximum boost. Study the torque graph below

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at 1,900 RPM the CFE (blue line) is already producing more torque than a non-turbo CPS engine (green line), so it is definitely not underpowered. You will only feel underpower if the turbo rosaked and not spooling at all.
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thx "dares", this explain great to my doubt and noob question. i'm slowing catch up the knowledge. not forget to thx also the rest of sifu advice in early responds rclxms.gif
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post Apr 25 2014, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(kulatkia @ Apr 25 2014, 01:05 PM)
thx "dares", this explain great to my doubt and noob question. i'm slowing catch up the knowledge. not forget to thx also the rest of sifu advice in early responds  rclxms.gif
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btw mind to educate why there is decreasing of torque after 5k rpm. if i understand correctly from the graph, tis preve is just as good as pick up, after this it just same normal cps engine. and also just wondering why some of forumer comment CFE engine as similar performance as standard 2.0L engine. sorry for the doubt again, trying to learn from all of u biggrin.gif
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post Apr 26 2014, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 25 2014, 04:04 PM)
Every internal combustion engine has a RPM range where the engine is running most efficiently that is where it is generating the maximum amount of torque, after that range the torque will drop as the efficiency drops. It's just a matter of how quickly it drops and how low it will drop before the engine hits redline.

Many factors such as AFR, stroke x bore size, compression ratio, injection method, induction type etc. etc. will affect where and how much is the peak torque, and how quickly and low it will drop after peak torque.

Proton has cited that the CFE output to be similiar to a 2.0 NA due to the the max torque being similiar to a 2.0 NA engine, although the horsepower is lower than most 2.0 NA engines.

For example,

Inspira 2.0 generates 199 Nm of torque at 4,250RPM, while CFE generates 205 Nm of torque from 2k RPM - 4k RPM.

Inspira 2.0 generates 150 horsepower at 6,000 RPM, while CFE generates 140 horsepower at 5,750 RPM.
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Alright Thx again for this info, really appreciate thumbup.gif
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post Apr 29 2014, 10:19 AM

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hi guys,
great day. is that still true all Preve come WITHOUT tyres alignment and balancing? my SA said if you not send in SC by before 500km, the service charge will be apply to owner after this mileage clock. i'm wondering if this statement is valid then why Proton didn't take it as a MUST before handover the new car to buyer??? sad....
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post Apr 29 2014, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Apr 29 2014, 10:24 AM)
Should be <1,000km

I fixed mine at COSE @ 8xxkm
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i see, thx bro!
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post Apr 29 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Apr 29 2014, 10:34 AM)
New cars are aligned in factory, but bearing new parts, they require running in. Running in new cars incur cost, and production hours.

For Proton cars, I'm not familiar with their manufacturing process, but I'm guessing we get our cars 'fresh'. After running in for couple of hundred km, it's best we get the major items checked for fine tuning.

Please add me as fuelly friend: alexei
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kind of make sense... just a bit fussy when required to visit SC frequently... is that also apply to other car manufacturer? so far i didn't heard my fren have this approach, i meant my fren are rich and getting non-national car tongue.gif
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post Apr 30 2014, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Apr 29 2014, 04:04 PM)
Running in aside, I think new Proton car already needs alignment, even if they were done in factory.
I think it's the manufacturing practise to produce consistent quality output, which Toyota is famous for.

Take example a Vios I've seen recently, new number plate, drove up to the alignment station and didn't need adjustment. I could see the car owner's pride on his face.
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post Apr 30 2014, 08:10 PM

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Guys n sifu,
Sorry I got noob question again, my preve rear break Iight just feel loosen when touch n hold it.. May I know is this normal... N my boot root also kosong one (not cover by any cover material) not sure this is normal also our not . Sorry I didn't have chance to compare at showroom... Wanna asking sifu tunjuk ajar. Thx in advance

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