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> 3Dmark database category is no more relevant?, need volunteers for 3dm05/3dm06

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TSsoulfly
post Jul 16 2006, 11:20 PM, updated 15y ago

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With the current new cards and new performance, it seems that the current categories for different range of cards are no more relevant. While 256-bit cards may compete with 128-bit cards, it seems that it is not fair eventhough both of 'em had 12-pipelines. Heck, some 4-pipeline cards may even spot DDR3s on 'em which is unfair to the others with their DDR and DDR2. Wait.... even DDR is competing with DDR2.

How about SLI/crossfire? Even entry cards like 7300GT can mate themselves.

So, I came up with a diplomatic way to sort out the problem, via poll and discussions with everyone.

Option 1 & 2 : We will have high-end, midrange, and low-end as usual... but with revised requirements. Either we sort them according to card's memory bandwidth or according to the number of pipelines. How much justice will it do? I don't really know.

Option 3 : Ignore all the cards spec, just unite 'em all! Sounds rock huh? The idea was to separate different benchies into different threads. Cards are ranked together...the only matter is the score. Maybe we can divide between ATI and nVidia. Crossfire and SLI would still be separated into different group each under their respective brands. No more top-10, top-20 or top-whatsoever.

Option 4 : No change. I think this will need no further explanation.

Option 5 : Oh well... it's the boss' decision anyway.

This post has been edited by soulfly: Aug 20 2006, 01:45 AM
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post Jul 16 2006, 11:31 PM

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For me, i think its better if we use bits then pipelines then memory whether its ddr3,ddr2 or ddr. That should do it.
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post Jul 17 2006, 12:47 AM

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dont really know how to say this.... but the thing is categories like low-end and mid range just doesnt work anymore i guess... espcially since the 'low-end' pcie cards can spank the 'mid-range agp cards....eg... the 7300gt spanking my 6800 vanilla sweat.gif

just my view....cant really think of how to re-categorize them doh.gif
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post Jul 17 2006, 01:07 AM

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How abt, both are ranked, i mean, 1 for AGP n 1 for PCI-E which categorized by :
1- SLi/CF or Single
2- PipeLine
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post Jul 17 2006, 10:42 AM

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I was thinking of like:

3dmark01se/03/05/06 : all different threads

In each threads we will have:
- 1 group for crossfire/sli
- 1 group for nvidia single cards
- 1 group for ati single cards
- no top ranks... all card can enter regardless low marks

With this..there is no need to categorize the cards based on pipelines, bandwidth or such.... NO DISCRIMINATION! LOL! laugh.gif
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post Jul 17 2006, 01:31 PM

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I reckon we do it like XS.. a hugeeeeeeeeeeeee long list. No need to segment it.

That way we can still tell how well we do in comparison with peers having the same card...same level of cards and with higher end ones.

Of course, must state VGA and CPU clocks and whether it's single, dual or quad vgas.

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post Jul 17 2006, 04:31 PM

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I'll say we have more details included in the tables. Current Mid/High range is not enough....
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post Jul 17 2006, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 17 2006, 01:31 PM)
I reckon we do it like XS.. a hugeeeeeeeeeeeee long list. No need to segment it.

That way we can still tell how well we do in comparison with peers having the same card...same level of cards and with higher end ones.

Of course, must state VGA and CPU clocks and whether it's single, dual or quad vgas.
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Yup... agree about it.. like 3dmark 01 & 03 depend processor & Ram more than GPU.....
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post Jul 17 2006, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jul 17 2006, 10:42 AM)
I was thinking of like:

3dmark01se/03/05/06 : all different threads

In each threads we will have:
- 1 group for crossfire/sli
- 1 group for nvidia single cards
- 1 group for ati single cards
- no top ranks... all card can enter regardless low marks

With this..there is no need to categorize the cards based on pipelines, bandwidth or such.... NO DISCRIMINATION! LOL! laugh.gif
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It gonna be thousand of pages if everyone post their nvidia card result in a thread.
How bout this?

-1 Group For CF/SLi
-1 Group on Geforce 6 Series
-1 Group on Geforce 7 Series
-1 Group on X1xxx series
-1 Group on Xxx Series
-1 Group on Legendary Series laugh.gif

6 Thread under 3 moderator under eyes? 2 For 1 mod.




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post Jul 17 2006, 06:16 PM

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I suggest grouping them according to MSRP price.

EDIT: Discontinued models may have no MSRP doh.gif

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post Jul 17 2006, 07:04 PM

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Its better to have something like,

Each benchmark version to have its own thread, like what soulfly said.
Inside one thread, have all participated cards listed in an overall standing, from highest to lowest. Then bottom of it, categorized different series of cards. Of course, detailed information has to be provided like memory bandwidth, memory size, bus type, pipelines etc. PC spec as well. smile.gif

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post Jul 17 2006, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Jul 17 2006, 06:16 PM)
I suggest grouping them according to MSRP price.

EDIT: Discontinued models may have no MSRP doh.gif
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Moderator sure pening kepala. Awhile Awhile price slash, update all the thread. shocking.gif
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post Jul 17 2006, 09:17 PM

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i think option 3 wud great...from there, we'll c how well our GC performed.i believed all of us already know the detail specs such pipelines, mem bandwitdh, clock speed etc...
again, option 3 shud be nice thumbup.gif
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post Jul 17 2006, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Jul 17 2006, 09:17 PM)
i think option 3 wud great...from there, we'll c how well our GC performed.i believed all of us already know the detail specs such pipelines, mem bandwitdh, clock speed etc...
again, option 3 shud be nice  thumbup.gif
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Imagine how long the list gonna be .
And it hard for moderator to keep track with the latest score if they didnt open the thread frequently. One day 2 pages of result. rclxms.gif If they go vacation 1 weeks..balik time, habis. laugh.gif
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post Jul 17 2006, 09:54 PM

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PCIE: High end, Mid end, Low End...
AGP: High end, Mid end, Low End...

screen shot 3DMarks will do, i hope.... coz some demo version kenot submit scores, no money buy retail version...
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post Jul 17 2006, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 17 2006, 09:54 PM)
PCIE: High end, Mid end, Low End...
AGP: High end, Mid end, Low End...

screen shot 3DMarks will do, i hope.... coz some demo version kenot submit scores, no money buy retail version...
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No validation from 3dmark? drool.gif drool.gif
Example : 6600GT on Quad SLi? You guess it Attached Image icon_rolleyes.gif



Only 20sec work. icon_idea.gif

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post Jul 17 2006, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclone87 @ Jul 17 2006, 11:06 PM)
No validation from 3dmark?  drool.gif  drool.gif
Example :  6600GT on Quad SLi? You guess it Attached Image   icon_rolleyes.gif
Only 20sec work.  icon_idea.gif
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wah sh*t i dono that can happen its that a bug...
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post Jul 17 2006, 10:52 PM

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those demo version that cant submit ORB has probably been hacked...

if u download the demo version from futuremark and just install it as it is then it wont be a problem

n i agree with the PCIE/AGP low,mid,high end classifications
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 17 2006, 11:52 PM)
those demo version that cant submit ORB has probably been hacked...

if u download the demo version from futuremark and just install it as it is then it wont be a problem

n i agree with the PCIE/AGP low,mid,high end classifications
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thanks bro... i'll try...
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post Jul 17 2006, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jul 17 2006, 10:38 PM)
wah sh*t i dono that can happen its that a bug...
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No no. Ever heard of Photoshop? I photoChop the picture. Mean edit. Wan to see 10digits score? icon_rolleyes.gif

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