Well, take out the subjective element and use specifications. Then you can see what I mean. I agree that keyboards are subjective, up to a certain point. But they are nowhere near as subjective as mice are.

Herm...depend on u compare what model with what bro

The flagship models of each brand. G800 vs G15.

price? Price/performance ratio? Have u count that? I admit A4 tech got maybe 4/10 in design but it terms of function, i think still good for that price. It is cheap after all, What u need for a FPS? Responsive keys is the top priority. It really depends on what u need to justify whether it is a good keyboard or not. I like a4tech becos of price/performance ratio. The performance is there, but onlt the design. Some of u are quite bias or prejudice becos a4 tech price is cheap or fanboy towards razer or logitech. It is understandable becos the a4 looks just sux so bad. If razer sell their keyboard at rm50 and design same like a4 tech, i am pretty sure ppl will still buy razer. Why? Becos fanboy still exist

Fanboyism is excluded here..its bout the looks n performance..performance alwaz comes wif a price tag..yes i do blif ppl would stil choose razer bcz of the base of fans it already has..can u pls define ur performance ratio of A4tech? r u sayin that the price tag that they hav put unto A4tech are justified bcz of the performance that comes wif it?

Where do you get your A4 Tech G800 ? Is it available in Ipoh ???? Im looking one...

Totally true. With one slight difference. In an FPS, any damned keyboard will do. The best gaming keyboard in the world won't make a difference in FPS gaming, simply because keyboards don't need to be as lightning fast as mice do. As long as there's no extremely horrible delay time, any keyboard works fine. The only reason I got my Reclusa was because it's bling and I got it for cheap. I honestly don't believe that the Reclusa makes me any better than my old Comfort Curve. Now if you're playing games like WoW where macros are important, then gaming keyboards do make a difference. But other than that, keyboards are basically the same.

Your point about price/performance is absolutely correct though. For the price, nothing quite beats A4tech. But when budget is not an issue, A4tech doesn't beat anyone. That's what I've been saying for a long while now.

But when budget is not an issue, A4tech doesn't beat anyone..i lik this..haha..yea..its not needed..but sumhow manufacturers make it to be a must thing no matter wat type of game u play..lol..so gamers..dun fall for dat trap lik me wher i fell for 6G..haha..

Agree with some of your point...but from mine side...I would say a4 is giving users performance but in affordable price. So far from my office colleague usage, all of them are satisfied with their performance and comfortable. We are not using the gaming keyboard for office, but only very normal classical keyboard. Even if budget is not an issue, i still believe a4 have their place in market but sure not in a low end area... Just a point view which i believe in... peace bro

yea..the do hav a stand..we all salute their technology..jus nid a chg of design n they will b fine..

gosh, my saitek eclipse keyboard is giving me problem as below:

taken from >>> http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=11500

anyone here(saitek eclipse keyboard user) faced the same problem as above?...gahh need to sent for warantty

I heard that Saitek Eclipse II keys will faded if used for a long time? Is it?

nope, i din face that problem before. working nicely still.

so far my keys havent faded, BUT the silver paint on the eclipse 2 has faded a lot. maybe time to mod it fully black

but i feel the blue light is starting to feel a bit too dim, maybe its just me.

not really sure about Saitek Eclipse II though, but my Saitek Eclipse faded badly as below

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This post has been edited by sniper69: Sep 14 2008, 06:24 AM

wow..that is bad

Lucky G15 keys is not printed like saitek..so it wont have this problem

it like you use so hard dude...

well, kinda FPS games whore here

now the keyboard is in the box ready to be sent for warranty at New Era...luckily it was made with two years warranty!

how long u use den turn lik dis d?

ok... "mencelah", on my G15 v1 case... it took me less than 5 months for my gray part to be faded