Forumer you are complaining against: RedXMota EDITED to put in ID link: Lowyat ID Steam ID Steam ID now set to private

Item being sold/bought: PS3 Console , 8 games , 2 unit of Dualshock 3 , AV Cable , HDMI Cable , Power Cable

Original thread link: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3113408

Date of transaction: January 30, 2014, 12:26:30

Details of the complaint : Agreed by both me and RedXMota to purchase the above set of second-hand PS3 for RM500. Details of the conversation as follows (conversation begins at Wed 29th Jan, 19:16):

Me: Hello! Serious buyer here for your PS3 here! Still selling?
RedXMota: Hi , still selling cause have no buyer yet . Sorry late reply was driving
Me: Okay! Will buy from you. Can I have your banking info? I'll take the whole lot.
RedXMota: But i prefer postage cause have no transport to make cod
Me: Of course postage cos I'm in KL haha. I'll bank in the money to your account, then I'll SMS you the address.
RedXMota: Can make a call? Want to deal

[I made the call, found out he speaks mostly Malay. Note that he stutters a lot here, as if thinking up stuff on the go]

Following is on Thu morning, most time stamp is around 6 am:

RedXMota: Bro boleh kasi nama penuh dan alamat???
Me: [I inform him of my full name and place I'd like the PS3 posted, I also told him I'd be at Maybank around 11 am. He neglected to inform he his bank acc no]
Me (9:06): Sy sekarang otw ke Maybank, boleh SMS no acc? Tq
Me (11:48): Sy sekarang kat Maybank, boleh SMS no acc? Tq
RedXMota: Salam [He's asking me to call him]
RedXMota: 151071416963 MUHAMMAD HIDAYAT BIN ROSLI
Me: Ok. Nak make sure, RM500 untuk: PS3, 2 controller, 9 games kan? [discrepancy here]
RedXMota: Yup, macam dekat forum tu bro
RedXMota: Warna hitam dngan purple
Me: Ok bro, sekarang nak bank in.
RedXMota: Lepas bank in send screenshot resit slip kat whatsapp
RedXMota: Dah bank in ke bro. Kalau dh bank in sy nak process barang packing2
Me: Still tgh tunggu giliran, ramai org ni, rasanya, pasal CNY ni.
RedXMota: Ohh ye jugak.. Bro ada whatsapp??
Me: Ada... Tp Maybank saya bank in ni x de tempat yg ada wifi. Saya sms je time dan transaction ID buat masa ni, bila saya balik ke ofis saya WA?
RedXMota: Ok bro boleh jee
Me: [my packing instruction for him]
RedXMota: Ok baik
Me: Nnt bila dah siap, ambilkan gambar bungkusan tu, pastu mesej saya no tracking.
Me: Nnt check WA ntuk slip, pastu nnt snap gambar bungkusan poslaju sebelum hantar ye. Tq
RedXMota: Baik boss tngah packing ps3 ni
RedXmota (17:22): Pos laju area saya ttup smpai lepas raya cina bro dari semalam dah tutup
Me: Aiseh dah agak dah... tempat lain mmg x ada eh? Kalau x ada x apa la... Tunggu lepas CNY la.
RedXmota: Courier lain pun sama... Pos laju pun dah tutup. Courier lain lagi awal tutup rsenye
Me: Hmm... Kalau mcm tu lepas CNY la nampaknya...

Conversation on 31st Jan

Me: Hi bro, saya baca kat thread forum LYN, dah ada lagi sorang bayar RM500 untuk bro punya PS3. Betul ke ni?

Today (1st Feb)

Me: Cik Hidayat, angkat telefon.

No more replies since. Today I've missed-call him 20 times, he shut his phone off.

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 6 2014, 05:47 PM

RedXMota has scammed two LYN members by this methid, me and sobri_azami. Attached with the following post are my transaction slip and sobri_azami's slip:

Mine:



sobri_azami's:



sobri_zami's conversation with him:



These are snippets that I can find of him:





His PlayFire account. Do note that his games are exactly the same as the games he's going to sell:

https://www.playfire.com/RedXMota

His Facebook gaming page:

https://www.facebook.com/RedXMota

Me and sobri_azami can't find his FB, has been blocked we're afraid.

His phone no: 011 2757 0438

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 1 2014, 11:20 AM

Since got name and account number, possible to do police report?

Get maybank to reveal his IC, address,etc with police report.

Hunt him down to his house with GPS and then ask for rm500 back then police station. If can't send him to hospital.

Can right?

I believe I can get Maybank to do so if it's not the bloody weekend. And, there's no saying that that's the guy's house.

Further, he's a boy. While I can't get physical with him, I can damn well make sure he'll never see a three-digit salary in his lifetime.

Really need to teach him a lesson else, he will repeat the same thing on others.

Let his parents know and they will whack him on your behalf.. as long as you bring police along..

This post has been edited by zeliustitan: Feb 1 2014, 11:55 AM

There was a suspicious loop hole here since he stated that he was driving and then next he state there was no transport for COD.. if i were you.. i dun think he was a legit seller any more and will ask then just now u drive a kereta lembu ke? =="

This is Google's cache of https://www.facebook.com/Red.X.Crew





This post has been edited by Jackshire: Feb 1 2014, 12:45 PM

Blinded by cheap PS3 gaming, yes, that could have been one big give away, in addition to having already read that sobri_azami has already banked in the money much earlier than me, and that he can't eve nkeep track of the stuff he's selling (9 games instead of 8).

If I hadn't paid attention to sobri_azami's post, he's still actually legit. He did promise to send the package after CNY. However, he would've notified me if he had already dealt with sobri_azami, yes?

I learnt that he had scammed another for about RM140, although that was a friend of his. sobri_azami got ahold of one of his friends of which we got to know Hidayat's home address (5th image), where the friend told him Hidayat cheated RM140 off of him.

Good sirs of LYN, I implore you to advise me of the following:

1. I am planning on showing *all* excerpts of his scam, even print out his PS3 thread and this report thread, to Maybank, in hopes that I would obtain his IC number, home address, and to freeze his account. Am I, within Malaysian Laws, able to do this?. Also, by doing this, can I, independent of his input, get my (and sobri_azami's) money back?

2. We all can see he's a boy. What sort of confrontation would be most effective? Direct confrontation with his parents, or lodging a police report, then make a visit to his house?

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 1 2014, 01:22 PM

First of all, i felt sorry for ur involving in such situation.. because i once have confronted such unfortunate too but luckily money was reimburse before then (making police report). In this case, i think both of u should have a consensus where making 2 police report and file them against the scammer. evidence such as above can be aided in the investigation but please don't rely too much since ... (u know for yourself as our safety forces were so efficient nowadays) As to file the case is to protect your own interest when something bad happen.. u have a reason to back you up.. (before you went on confrontation with his parents or scammer himself). Maybank won't entertain such issue since it doesn't have any lawful rights to freeze his account unless u have a court order to do so.. which is not an easy task to get one. So i won't recommend it and if he is prepare in scamming people, once victim has bank in to his account, for sure he will withdraw them right away.. therefore, no reason to freeze an empty account.

My recommendation is that you and the other victim went to the same police station and lodge a report against that scammer and plan a day to visit his parents to alert them on his doing together with the police report (if not his parents may deny the facts his son was a scammer) If u can find that scammer, it would be better.. don't use (force) on him.. take him to the nearest police station (unless he's willing to return the money he scammed if not please proceed with it and let the LAW spank his ASS)..

Which is another problem: I'm in KL, and sobri_azami is in Perlis, and Hidayat is in Kota Tinggi. I've never been to Kota Tinggi, neither have sobri.

Oh i see.. then just file a case against him independently and ask them to sent a copy of the police report and keep it for yourself for future reference.. u can't simply freeze other people account although u have the reason to do so.. the only option left was to search his hideout and hope it was a legit address (not move to somewhere else) then pay him a visit regarding this matter.. Please don't apply any brute force against him although u may because i don't think it was a good idea..

This post has been edited by alwinchg: Feb 1 2014, 01:51 PM

I know, won't resort to physical force. This sounds cliche, but I work for people that can influence where one end up in life. If I have his details, I can easily make sure he won't earn more than a three-digit salary.

Funny, I know, how such people can end up getting scammed by this guy.

Hmm.. but karma is bad no matter who started it.. Just check whether those address is valid or not? if can bring in some people with you.. just in case something fishy do happen.. since nowadays youngster was rough... One word "greed" kills.. Most of the time if u really saw something "cheap" u must request a COD if not don't proceed.. 90% was scamming case if the price was too good to be true..

More updated information, received from Mrider555:

"Hehe,, sblm ni,ada dlm 3,4 kes psl dia d fb,,jual game,trade game,jual pc stuffs,, dpt duit n diam pastu lmbt pos brng,xmau cod,alasan xpos brng,,pjbt pos ttup,,keje part time kt hotel,, bru hbis spm budak ni.. sobri ada post kt grup kaki gaming malaysia n sy salah sorg admin,,sblm ni pnah ktorg cop dia scam tp dia nafi yg dia sbuk dgn bljr n part time,, xtau plk yg dia ni akn continue scam dia kt lowyat,kt fb dia da deactivated,so far,alamat tu mmg alamat rumah dia,,"

A wee SPM lad, already venturing for money through shady means. Kid, I assure you, you'll never get to taste tertiary education. Let's see how you like the "underground" life now.

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 1 2014, 11:35 PM

Let's send 100 pizza's at his house.

Good sirs of LYN, I'd like your educated opinions regarding the next step I'm planning on taking.

I've lodged the police report, first on Sunday at Balai Polis Serdang, and then today at Ibu Pejabat Polis Subang (as the Maybank that I've banked the money into, is located at SS15 Subang Jaya).

The inspector, Inspector Anfal, told me he will get a statement out of the kid, and proceed with making a court order within the next 2-3 months. I asked him if it's possible that I utilize the police order to coax the boy's personal details (i.e IC number and home address), however he cannot do so nor allow me to, due to breach of privacy. He then told me to stay put until his call.

What I plan to do now, is that I'm planning on sending a copy of the police report, and a letter addressed to the boy (using the Kota Tinggi address), asking him to either follow through with the deal with one of us (me or sobri_azami) and return the RM500 to the other, OR, return RM500 to both me and sobri_azami, OR, failure to do so or contacting me to clarify this matter, shall result in court action on him, and I'll make public of his identity through social media and newspaper. On the other hand, should he successfully comply on both matters, I'll withdraw my report.

Am I within my legal rights to do this?

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 4 2014, 11:57 AM

Yes the address is legit, and i'm same kampung with him (felda bukit Aping Timur) on Kota Tinggi, he's trouble young boy, hard to learn to be honest, and not punctual guy, awkward people in real life also,
here is STEAM ID (He did played DOTA sometime) : http://steamcommunity.com/id/AtomMota

He's online btw, ....lulz


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Warn him that I've lodged a police report, and I've sent a copy of that police report along with a letter addressed to his parents. And thanks for the Steam link, stupid kid doesn't know how to keep his identity secret.

kasi aja ini budak...

Hi I'm sorry to hear your lost. I've experience this kind of matter before. Nearly 2 years ago. Just want to inform u that don't put too much hope into it as I made police report and they said will contact u regarding it and guess what like I said 2 years ago and until now there is no news from them.

harap budak tuh kena, byk sgt da dye kencing org. he's well known in fb game group.

Updated information regarding his personal being, received from an (apparent) acquaintance of his:

his other id

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3042111/all

Item(s): Hitachi 160GB HDD Sata

Package includes:HDD Itself

Price: PM

Warranty: 1 week by seller

Dealing method: Postage

Location of seller: JOHOR (Kota Tinggi)

Contact method/details: PM me or 011-27570438

Age of item:

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Item(s) conditions: NEELOFA biggrin.gif Tested Working !

Picture:

Reason for sale:


https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3053218/all

Item(s): ASUS Geforce GGT 630 4GB DDR3

Package includes: Graphic Card Itself , Manual and Driver CD

Price: RM180 Include Postage

Warranty: 1 month by me

Dealing method: Postage Arround Malaysia

Location of seller: Johor / Kota Tinggi

Contact method/details: 011-27570438 / Facebook: fb.com/Red.X.Crew

Age of item: USED 2 week ..

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Item(s) conditions: Like New come with box

Picture:


https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3079247/all
> Want To Sell / WTS <--
【ITEM(s)】Nikon D3100 Body + Kit Lens 18-55mm
【Package includes】Nikon Original Bag + 2 Filter UV & CPL + Charger + T.P Lens Hood 52mm .
【Price】RM1.4k (Nego)
【Warranty】2 week from seller
【Dealing method】COD ( Johor Only) / Pos Laju
【Seller's location】Johor (Kota Tinggi)
【Contact method/details】011-27570438 / PM
【Age of item(s)】8 month
【Item(s) conditions】Like new rarely use
【Reason for sale】Im not person that travel a lot..

This post has been edited by sk1l: Feb 6 2014, 01:32 PM

New dupe spotted, jiwagambar

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3121490&hl=

New phone number, 0177605118

Details updated in the blacklist thread

I decided on confronting Hidayat yesterday. From here on out, this post will look a bit like a blogspot post, but bear with me, I need to write everything in clarity, both for the sake of security against being scammed, and to protect the privacy of Hidayat's family.

On Saturday, 15th February 2014, probably around 1.30pm-2.00pm, I arrived at Kota Tinggi. Beforehand, a certain LYN member, MattInvoker contacted me that he'd accompany me to Felda Bukit Aping Timur, seeing as he's from the area. MattInvoker had contacted me through PM before, and he's the one who supplied me info of Hidayat's being, which you can read in earlier posts. In a nutshell, MattInvoker and Hidayat was in the same group of gamers, both in real-life and Facebook, and had observed his behaviour since then, being that Hidayat was a terribly irresponsible vendor.

I accepted MattInvoker's offer and headed towards Felda Bukit Aping Timur in one taxi. It is this bit that surprised me; the uncle driving the taxi is, in fact, from the same neighbourhood too, and that the name Hidayat was familiar to him. MattInvoker and the uncle seem to be pretty close-knit, too. He noted that Hidayat is an eccentric boy, being that there were cases where Hidayat cheated money from people of the neighbourhood.

The three of us; me, MattInvoker and the taxi uncle arrived at Hidayat's house around 4.30pm. We were greeted by Hidayat's dad, Encik Rosli, who warmly welcomed the three of us. Being the bearer of bad news, I told Encik Rosli about Hidayat scamming three people (me, sobri_azami, and someone Hidayat scammed over a graphics card deal through Facebook) over the internet. His expression quickly changed from that of friendliness to stern.

With MattInvoker present, I presented the PS3 advert, this Dispute Resolution thread, transcript of my SMS conversation with Hidayat, proof of bank-in, and two police reports (me and sobri_azami's) to Encik Rosli. I had steeled myself for a burst of, "No! My son is a good boy, he'd never do something like this!" or "How can I be sure *you're* not scamming me?".

Instead, a flood of apologies and sorries came.

I assured him that it's not his fault; kids nowadays are far more capable than what we were used to; things like this can happen to anyone. Yet he kept apologizing.

After what seemed like an eternity of "it's okay, it's fine", we agreed to:

1. Surrender the possession of the PS3 and the accompanying accessories as stated in the advert to me.
2. Return RM500.00 to sobri_azami, which he would later post evidence of the bank-in here.
3. Return RM70.00 to the third guy, amount which Hidayat returned half and left the RM70 remainder unpaid, which he would later post evidence of the bank-in here.

Now, technically, the PS3 *should* belong to sobri_azami since he's the one who made the deal first, however, sobri_azami agreed to relinquish possession of the PS3 to me, as long as he gets his RM500.00 back.

And so I left Felda Bukit Aping Timur with the PS3, and assurance of money returned to their rightful owners. I walk away with what was owed; I did not demand more than what was due, nor do I settle for less.

If you've been reading so far, you might wonder; what about the Hidayat boy?

He's nowhere to be found. During the duration of me at Encik Rosli's house, Encik Rosli went out once, and he sent Hidayat's brother out to another part of the neighbourhood to find him. Still nothing. I decided there would be no meaning in meeting him anyway, and left.

Now, I have some reservations about this case. On one hand, Hidayat's a bloody cheater, no doubt about that. Not only he scammed money, he cut off all communications and chose to remain silent. Characteristic of a scammer.

On the other hand, everyone else has been extremely supportive of my case, especially Encik Rosli and MattInvoker. Perhaps it's the close knit relationship everyone have with everyone at Felda Bukit Aping Timur. MattInvoker even went as far as offering to stay at his house, which I had to reluctantly turn down so as to not trouble anyone any further.

Therefore, in the interest of preserving privacy and limiting exposure of Hidayat's family - in order to not associate Hidayat's actions, which was clearly his own, with his family, I have chosen to cancel my police report, and not make public of anymore personal details of Encik Rosli's household. I will share the necessary particulars with moderator Apis_LuaLua, victims sobri_azami and the graphics card guy, and MattInvoker, however I urge you guys to not make this case bigger than it already is.

Encik Rosli, if you're reading this thread, I am terribly sorry for being the bearer of bad news. I have no wish to disrupt your household or your relationship with your children, I'm just laying out the facts to you. If you would be open to my idea, please do not pay the money Hidayat cheated off us from your pocket; simply sell off his expensive belongings like his laptop or camera, and use the money to pay the people he scammed back.

EDITED [16/2/2014 9:28pm] to show evidence:

The graphics card guy got his RM70.00 back:



sobri_azami also got his RM500.00 back, confirmed through SMS. Will put it up as soon as sobri posts the evidence to me.

EDITED [16/2/2014 9:30pm] As promised, I will cancel the police report against Hidayat at my earliest convenience. sobri_azami, cancel your report too, please.

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 17 2014, 10:18 AM

New (not "new" as in recently scammed, but as in discovered just now) victim detected: presario3839 from the graphics card advert here. Please see fourth reply. I have PM'ed presario Encik Rosli's contact number. presario, please be sensible and clearly state your case to him.

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 16 2014, 10:03 PM

UPDATE: Mr. Rosli just refunded me full amount for my case. I've thank and apologize him for the trouble. Case closed. Thanks to @KingKellog for the big help.