Forumer you are complaining against: RedXMota EDITED to put in ID link: Lowyat ID Steam ID Steam ID now set to private

Item being sold/bought: PS3 Console , 8 games , 2 unit of Dualshock 3 , AV Cable , HDMI Cable , Power Cable

Original thread link: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3113408

Date of transaction: January 30, 2014, 12:26:30

Details of the complaint : Agreed by both me and RedXMota to purchase the above set of second-hand PS3 for RM500. Details of the conversation as follows (conversation begins at Wed 29th Jan, 19:16):

Me: Hello! Serious buyer here for your PS3 here! Still selling?
RedXMota: Hi , still selling cause have no buyer yet . Sorry late reply was driving
Me: Okay! Will buy from you. Can I have your banking info? I'll take the whole lot.
RedXMota: But i prefer postage cause have no transport to make cod
Me: Of course postage cos I'm in KL haha. I'll bank in the money to your account, then I'll SMS you the address.
RedXMota: Can make a call? Want to deal

[I made the call, found out he speaks mostly Malay. Note that he stutters a lot here, as if thinking up stuff on the go]

Following is on Thu morning, most time stamp is around 6 am:

RedXMota: Bro boleh kasi nama penuh dan alamat???
Me: [I inform him of my full name and place I'd like the PS3 posted, I also told him I'd be at Maybank around 11 am. He neglected to inform he his bank acc no]
Me (9:06): Sy sekarang otw ke Maybank, boleh SMS no acc? Tq
Me (11:48): Sy sekarang kat Maybank, boleh SMS no acc? Tq
RedXMota: Salam [He's asking me to call him]
RedXMota: 151071416963 MUHAMMAD HIDAYAT BIN ROSLI
Me: Ok. Nak make sure, RM500 untuk: PS3, 2 controller, 9 games kan? [discrepancy here]
RedXMota: Yup, macam dekat forum tu bro
RedXMota: Warna hitam dngan purple
Me: Ok bro, sekarang nak bank in.
RedXMota: Lepas bank in send screenshot resit slip kat whatsapp
RedXMota: Dah bank in ke bro. Kalau dh bank in sy nak process barang packing2
Me: Still tgh tunggu giliran, ramai org ni, rasanya, pasal CNY ni.
RedXMota: Ohh ye jugak.. Bro ada whatsapp??
Me: Ada... Tp Maybank saya bank in ni x de tempat yg ada wifi. Saya sms je time dan transaction ID buat masa ni, bila saya balik ke ofis saya WA?
RedXMota: Ok bro boleh jee
Me: [my packing instruction for him]
RedXMota: Ok baik
Me: Nnt bila dah siap, ambilkan gambar bungkusan tu, pastu mesej saya no tracking.
Me: Nnt check WA ntuk slip, pastu nnt snap gambar bungkusan poslaju sebelum hantar ye. Tq
RedXMota: Baik boss tngah packing ps3 ni
RedXmota (17:22): Pos laju area saya ttup smpai lepas raya cina bro dari semalam dah tutup
Me: Aiseh dah agak dah... tempat lain mmg x ada eh? Kalau x ada x apa la... Tunggu lepas CNY la.
RedXmota: Courier lain pun sama... Pos laju pun dah tutup. Courier lain lagi awal tutup rsenye
Me: Hmm... Kalau mcm tu lepas CNY la nampaknya...

Conversation on 31st Jan

Me: Hi bro, saya baca kat thread forum LYN, dah ada lagi sorang bayar RM500 untuk bro punya PS3. Betul ke ni?

Today (1st Feb)

Me: Cik Hidayat, angkat telefon.

No more replies since. Today I've missed-call him 20 times, he shut his phone off.

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 6 2014, 05:47 PM

RedXMota has scammed two LYN members by this methid, me and sobri_azami. Attached with the following post are my transaction slip and sobri_azami's slip:

Mine:



sobri_azami's:



sobri_zami's conversation with him:



These are snippets that I can find of him:





His PlayFire account. Do note that his games are exactly the same as the games he's going to sell:

https://www.playfire.com/RedXMota

His Facebook gaming page:

https://www.facebook.com/RedXMota

Me and sobri_azami can't find his FB, has been blocked we're afraid.

His phone no: 011 2757 0438

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 1 2014, 11:20 AM

Since got name and account number, possible to do police report?

Get maybank to reveal his IC, address,etc with police report.

Hunt him down to his house with GPS and then ask for rm500 back then police station. If can't send him to hospital.

Can right?

I believe I can get Maybank to do so if it's not the bloody weekend. And, there's no saying that that's the guy's house.

Further, he's a boy. While I can't get physical with him, I can damn well make sure he'll never see a three-digit salary in his lifetime.

Really need to teach him a lesson else, he will repeat the same thing on others.

Let his parents know and they will whack him on your behalf.. as long as you bring police along..

This post has been edited by zeliustitan: Feb 1 2014, 11:55 AM

There was a suspicious loop hole here since he stated that he was driving and then next he state there was no transport for COD.. if i were you.. i dun think he was a legit seller any more and will ask then just now u drive a kereta lembu ke? =="

This is Google's cache of https://www.facebook.com/Red.X.Crew





This post has been edited by Jackshire: Feb 1 2014, 12:45 PM

Blinded by cheap PS3 gaming, yes, that could have been one big give away, in addition to having already read that sobri_azami has already banked in the money much earlier than me, and that he can't eve nkeep track of the stuff he's selling (9 games instead of 8).

If I hadn't paid attention to sobri_azami's post, he's still actually legit. He did promise to send the package after CNY. However, he would've notified me if he had already dealt with sobri_azami, yes?

I learnt that he had scammed another for about RM140, although that was a friend of his. sobri_azami got ahold of one of his friends of which we got to know Hidayat's home address (5th image), where the friend told him Hidayat cheated RM140 off of him.

Good sirs of LYN, I implore you to advise me of the following:

1. I am planning on showing *all* excerpts of his scam, even print out his PS3 thread and this report thread, to Maybank, in hopes that I would obtain his IC number, home address, and to freeze his account. Am I, within Malaysian Laws, able to do this?. Also, by doing this, can I, independent of his input, get my (and sobri_azami's) money back?

2. We all can see he's a boy. What sort of confrontation would be most effective? Direct confrontation with his parents, or lodging a police report, then make a visit to his house?

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 1 2014, 01:22 PM

First of all, i felt sorry for ur involving in such situation.. because i once have confronted such unfortunate too but luckily money was reimburse before then (making police report). In this case, i think both of u should have a consensus where making 2 police report and file them against the scammer. evidence such as above can be aided in the investigation but please don't rely too much since ... (u know for yourself as our safety forces were so efficient nowadays) As to file the case is to protect your own interest when something bad happen.. u have a reason to back you up.. (before you went on confrontation with his parents or scammer himself). Maybank won't entertain such issue since it doesn't have any lawful rights to freeze his account unless u have a court order to do so.. which is not an easy task to get one. So i won't recommend it and if he is prepare in scamming people, once victim has bank in to his account, for sure he will withdraw them right away.. therefore, no reason to freeze an empty account.

My recommendation is that you and the other victim went to the same police station and lodge a report against that scammer and plan a day to visit his parents to alert them on his doing together with the police report (if not his parents may deny the facts his son was a scammer) If u can find that scammer, it would be better.. don't use (force) on him.. take him to the nearest police station (unless he's willing to return the money he scammed if not please proceed with it and let the LAW spank his ASS)..

Which is another problem: I'm in KL, and sobri_azami is in Perlis, and Hidayat is in Kota Tinggi. I've never been to Kota Tinggi, neither have sobri.

Oh i see.. then just file a case against him independently and ask them to sent a copy of the police report and keep it for yourself for future reference.. u can't simply freeze other people account although u have the reason to do so.. the only option left was to search his hideout and hope it was a legit address (not move to somewhere else) then pay him a visit regarding this matter.. Please don't apply any brute force against him although u may because i don't think it was a good idea..

This post has been edited by alwinchg: Feb 1 2014, 01:51 PM

I know, won't resort to physical force. This sounds cliche, but I work for people that can influence where one end up in life. If I have his details, I can easily make sure he won't earn more than a three-digit salary.

Funny, I know, how such people can end up getting scammed by this guy.

Hmm.. but karma is bad no matter who started it.. Just check whether those address is valid or not? if can bring in some people with you.. just in case something fishy do happen.. since nowadays youngster was rough... One word "greed" kills.. Most of the time if u really saw something "cheap" u must request a COD if not don't proceed.. 90% was scamming case if the price was too good to be true..

More updated information, received from Mrider555:

"Hehe,, sblm ni,ada dlm 3,4 kes psl dia d fb,,jual game,trade game,jual pc stuffs,, dpt duit n diam pastu lmbt pos brng,xmau cod,alasan xpos brng,,pjbt pos ttup,,keje part time kt hotel,, bru hbis spm budak ni.. sobri ada post kt grup kaki gaming malaysia n sy salah sorg admin,,sblm ni pnah ktorg cop dia scam tp dia nafi yg dia sbuk dgn bljr n part time,, xtau plk yg dia ni akn continue scam dia kt lowyat,kt fb dia da deactivated,so far,alamat tu mmg alamat rumah dia,,"

A wee SPM lad, already venturing for money through shady means. Kid, I assure you, you'll never get to taste tertiary education. Let's see how you like the "underground" life now.

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 1 2014, 11:35 PM

Let's send 100 pizza's at his house.

Good sirs of LYN, I'd like your educated opinions regarding the next step I'm planning on taking.

I've lodged the police report, first on Sunday at Balai Polis Serdang, and then today at Ibu Pejabat Polis Subang (as the Maybank that I've banked the money into, is located at SS15 Subang Jaya).

The inspector, Inspector Anfal, told me he will get a statement out of the kid, and proceed with making a court order within the next 2-3 months. I asked him if it's possible that I utilize the police order to coax the boy's personal details (i.e IC number and home address), however he cannot do so nor allow me to, due to breach of privacy. He then told me to stay put until his call.

What I plan to do now, is that I'm planning on sending a copy of the police report, and a letter addressed to the boy (using the Kota Tinggi address), asking him to either follow through with the deal with one of us (me or sobri_azami) and return the RM500 to the other, OR, return RM500 to both me and sobri_azami, OR, failure to do so or contacting me to clarify this matter, shall result in court action on him, and I'll make public of his identity through social media and newspaper. On the other hand, should he successfully comply on both matters, I'll withdraw my report.

Am I within my legal rights to do this?

This post has been edited by KingKellog: Feb 4 2014, 11:57 AM

Yes the address is legit, and i'm same kampung with him (felda bukit Aping Timur) on Kota Tinggi, he's trouble young boy, hard to learn to be honest, and not punctual guy, awkward people in real life also,
here is STEAM ID (He did played DOTA sometime) : http://steamcommunity.com/id/AtomMota

He's online btw, ....lulz


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Warn him that I've lodged a police report, and I've sent a copy of that police report along with a letter addressed to his parents. And thanks for the Steam link, stupid kid doesn't know how to keep his identity secret.

kasi aja ini budak...

Hi I'm sorry to hear your lost. I've experience this kind of matter before. Nearly 2 years ago. Just want to inform u that don't put too much hope into it as I made police report and they said will contact u regarding it and guess what like I said 2 years ago and until now there is no news from them.