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post Jul 23 2014, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 09:43 AM)
10 years ago...when I working as a clerk in auction firm.. I heard alot of investor is talking about bubble will burst when the time come.. that time will be a good time to buy property.... I remember that time... 300k can get a landed property around cheras, pj area...
then i wait and wait... until now... i never see any so call bubble will burst at anytime... and 300k now cannot even buy a condominium.
Now... without a million, there is no way to owe a landed property in KL area... not even in PJ neither..
Honestly do we still want to wait? wait until when? still wait for bubble burst?
and end of the day... u may not even owe a single property...
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Your explanation ll not be well accepted by those who are waiting as u r poking their dreams....people rather choose to believe in a myth than to accept the reality.
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post Jul 23 2014, 10:19 AM

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good one...later their mouth will be full with bubbles...hahaa
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post Jul 23 2014, 11:18 AM

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I am trying to find out whether the bank will absorb the 25bps increase or not... any 1 getting BLR - 2.45 to - 2.65% now from the BLR- 2.2 to -2.4%? if bank absorb, then market will remain good

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post Jul 23 2014, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 10:15 AM)
Thanks Tigerr... that the fact. Well, just assume those dream come true. and we look at the scenario during economic crises in Hong Kong during the time where property bubble burst.
During the economic crises, do you think we have cash to buy property during that time? Too many dream and waiting is not really worth lol.. and end of the day. you may not even owe a single property...
Honestly, now! if you manage to see property of your wish.. why wait... and my advise is don't wait... grab it..because the price keep on going up.
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If you look at the price to income ratio of asian cities, HK, Shanghai and Beijing are all in the high 20s or low 30s. KL ratio? Only 9.35.....(Singapore 21, while JB is 13)

We are so far away from a bubble.......
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post Jul 23 2014, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 09:43 AM)
10 years ago...when I working as a clerk in auction firm.. I heard alot of investor is talking about bubble will burst when the time come.. that time will be a good time to buy property.... I remember that time... 300k can get a landed property around cheras, pj area...
then i wait and wait... until now... i never see any so call bubble will burst at anytime... and 300k now cannot even buy a condominium.
Now... without a million, there is no way to owe a landed property in KL area... not even in PJ neither..
Honestly do we still want to wait? wait until when? still wait for bubble burst?
and end of the day... u may not even owe a single property...
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Well, that time RM300k is still reasonable that's why cannot drop. But since you say now landed is million, and its out of reach of mostly KV people, do you think it is not bubble?

So 10 years ago bubble no burst. And now inflating bigger for another 10 years. So what you think will happen when such bubble burst? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(juniortok @ Jul 23 2014, 11:25 AM)
If you look at the price to income ratio of asian cities, HK, Shanghai and Beijing are all in the high 20s or low 30s.  KL ratio? Only 9.35.....(Singapore 21, while JB is 13)

We are so far away from a bubble.......
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Wah don't la. Later got people shoot you comparing Malaysia with HK, Shanghai and Beijing. Hahaha...

Even Singapore 21, the house price is softening already. Cannot take it oredi.

With Malaysia sibeh lousy, sure worse liao. laugh.gif
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post Jul 23 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:26 AM)
Well, that time RM300k is still reasonable that's why cannot drop. But since you say now landed is million, and its out of reach of mostly KV people, do you think it is not bubble?

So 10 years ago bubble no burst. And now inflating bigger for another 10 years. So what you think will happen when such bubble burst?  hmm.gif
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hmm.gif 1 million drop to 900k.....laugh.gif
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post Jul 23 2014, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 23 2014, 11:29 AM)
hmm.gif 1 million drop to 900k.....laugh.gif
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Hey, it might be true. I mean landed is well sought after. RM100k is ok mah. Can pay lawyer fees.

Anyway, the drop will mainly come from Condo lor. But need to wait for 1 year until flipper no more cash flow because cannot rent out.

Then... kaboom!!! rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 23 2014, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:28 AM)
Wah don't la. Later got people shoot you comparing Malaysia with HK, Shanghai and Beijing. Hahaha...

Even Singapore 21, the house price is softening already. Cannot take it oredi.

With Malaysia sibeh lousy, sure worse liao.  laugh.gif
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Softening is not bubble burst mah....price drop 5-10% is ok. Bubble burst means drop more than 20%, and result in foreclosure. In the case of HK in 1997/2003, it was close to 50% leh....

So, whats the big deal if property price drop 5-10%? Bank still won't call loan, people still won't panic.....just not making money
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post Jul 23 2014, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(juniortok @ Jul 23 2014, 11:39 AM)
Softening is not bubble burst mah....price drop 5-10% is ok.  Bubble burst means drop more than 20%, and result in foreclosure.  In the case of HK in 1997/2003, it was close to 50% leh....

So, whats the big deal if property price drop 5-10%? Bank still won't call loan, people still won't panic.....just not making money
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No big deal meh? Sad la. laugh.gif
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post Jul 23 2014, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:44 AM)
No big deal meh? Sad la.  laugh.gif
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Sad la. But I have seen worse before. When property got foreclose, that is really really sad......

Many of my HK friends are still reeling their wounds from the 2003 SARS..... its no joke when they say that many of them were thinking about committing suicide...

We are so lucky..at least I have never thought of committing suicide, I have only thought about murdering the guy doing the renovation...at least not me that is dying ma

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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 11:48 AM)
good point... agreed.... somehow do you really want bubble to happen???
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Bubble is there. Not whether you want it to happen or not. Its just matter of whether it will burst or deflating.

QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 11:48 AM)
Than my suggestion is you wait until the bubble comes.. and that time the property worth more than a million you still cannot affort to owe it..
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Sure... I'm in the process of buying a linked bungalow. Already signed loan agreement.
For 2015, I'm going to buy another one when it crashed rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 11:48 AM)
well.. as Malaysia is moving toward those country.. why not.. we compare...
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Nope. Malaysia is collapsing under Barisan Nasional.

QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 11:48 AM)
it is.. condo nowadays also cost Million per unit... sound like killing me... sell my body also cannot buy property... it seen like only rich man man manage to secure property..
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Can wait next year. Buy up all the flipper condo laugh.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(juniortok @ Jul 23 2014, 11:49 AM)
Sad la.  But I have seen worse before.  When property got foreclose, that is really really sad......

Many of my HK friends are still reeling their wounds from the 2003 SARS..... its no joke when they say that many of them were thinking about committing suicide...

We are so lucky..at least I have never thought of committing suicide, I have only thought about murdering the guy doing the renovation...at least not me that is dying ma
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HK Housing price in 2003 SARS before collapsing is now same as KL/Penang/JB price.

SO when in 2015 the house price collapse, we can see many jump liao. rclxms.gif laugh.gif
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post Jul 23 2014, 12:14 PM

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Why KLIBOR better? can elaborate? and how prime financing rate works?
Trying to understand.. i jst think maybe bank may absorb then rates will be still 4.4%. i remember last time bank absorb that why we see blr minus package...
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QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 12:14 PM)
Why KLIBOR better? can elaborate? and how prime financing rate works?
Trying to understand.. i jst think maybe bank may absorb then rates will be still 4.4%. i remember last time bank absorb that why we see blr minus package...
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KLIBOR change rate every 3 months.

When it drop, we save money. When it rise, we lose money.

KLIBOR better because Banker said that KLIBOR most of the time is drop.

But do you believe banker?

Bank want to earn your money wei.
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post Jul 23 2014, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:15 PM)
KLIBOR change rate every 3 months.

When it drop, we save money. When it rise, we lose money.

KLIBOR better because Banker said that KLIBOR most of the time is drop.

But do you believe banker?

Bank want to earn your money wei.
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But now interest rate on a rising trend wo... possible another hike...

i just think so much competition... maybe bank will absorb 25bps hike to keep rate at 4.4%.

But so far no news yet... any loan agents taikor can advice?
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post Jul 23 2014, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 12:18 PM)
But now interest rate on a rising trend wo... possible another hike...

i just think so much competition... maybe bank will absorb 25bps hike to keep rate at 4.4%.

But so far no news yet... any loan agents taikor can advice?
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Yalar... KLIBOR good is only talk from Bank la.

And bank cannot absord 25bps because Bank Negara will kill the bank. Bank Negara want interest to rise la. If Bank absord, that means fighting with Bank Negara already.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:21 PM)
Yalar... KLIBOR good is only talk from Bank la.

And bank cannot absord 25bps because Bank Negara will kill the bank. Bank Negara want interest to rise la. If Bank absord, that means fighting with Bank Negara already.
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aiya... gov also say cannot give dibs la... many developers also give DISS wat...

How bnm can effectively control the banks not to absorb...

anyway i agree that bnm actually keep a close eyes... cos if the developers and bankers try to against to rules through lope holes and grey zone.. they will impose more rules...

do you all think investor-friendly era will end soon??
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post Jul 23 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 12:27 PM)
somehow you have no choice.. cause by 2015, all bank will use KLIBOR as their new framework for us to applied home loan...
if it is good because it is more transparent and we can base on the KLIBOR rate we can  negotiate with the bank which is the best for us. and somemore BLR will replace by something PFR.... and this PFR will be quiet similar with KLIBOR also...
if u ask better, I still think KLIBOR>..
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yalar, more transparent. KLIBOR always change. Negotiate also no use.

QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 12:31 PM)
aiya... gov also say cannot give dibs la... many developers also give DISS wat...

How bnm can effectively control the banks not to absorb...

anyway i agree that bnm actually keep a close eyes... cos if the developers and bankers try to against to rules through lope holes and grey zone.. they will impose more rules...

do you all think investor-friendly era will end soon??
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aiya, developer so many. How to control since DISS is so subtle.

But bank give discounted rate is so obvious to Bank Negara. Some more Bank got a few only. Easy to monitor.

Ending soon? Come on la. Investor friendly era already ended when 2013 ended. If you can't get loan, you can't invest.
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 12:46 PM)
KLIBOR rate is fix.. but we can also negotiate with bank about K + 1% or 1.25% or etc... which is the rate that we can nego...  Although KLIBOR rate always change but it goes up steadily and will not increase over night.. like for example -Jul BLR immediately increased  0.25% after BNM announced that OPR had increase 25 basis point...but u can see KLIBOR didnot hike up so terrible like BLR....
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Yeap, KLIBOR rate always change (please correct urself).... and changes is small... but changes nevertheless....



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