Just did my 50k service by outside sc, but they chged the cvt auto transmission fluid costs rm190. And put sticker next auto transmission service is 70k. I am confused do i need to chg atf this frequent? In the toyota max chk, atf is every 40k as refill/flush only. Can any sifu pls advise me? Thanks in adv

80k km... and it is RM200 (moreless the same price)..

where SC u go?? an are u using 1,8 or 2.0?

I was told Toyota GB oil can last for 100k - 120k KM?!

atf max 40k km. 20k km is reccomended by sc. but for cvt generally more than 40k km. *examplae: saga flx..around 60k km.

to be exact, u can check your owners manual.

Better u change earlier. If manual states 70k, change at 60-65k instead. Gearbox is at least 25-30k min and spending RM 200 is peanuts.

This post has been edited by acbc: Jan 15 2014, 09:19 AM

Mine is 1.8e. Means chg every 20k is normal? Cuz during services by toyota sc, no chg on auto transmission fluid at all till 40k. So i doubt is it too frequent to chg every 20k. I serviced in the workshop in bdr sunway, recommend by fr

Changing every 20K is overkill.

CVT is not running as same as ATF.
In fact the functionality mechanism of CVT is not as same as ordinary auto gear box with ATF.

Even with ATF, the recommended change interval mostly around 40K, (depended on the oil situation as well, sometimes after 20k, if the ATF oil show "blackish" then it is time to change disregard it is only 20k or less, but in normal condition with good quality oil, ATF should still look reddish after 20~30k, from my experience)

So far what I gather from the CVT oil changing need from the service personnel, it should able to last more than 60~80K.
Oil is changed when needed aka inspect the CVT oil quality to determine the need of change.

I cannot confirm the statement by service personnel is correct or not, just it is the answer given by both service personnel I had met.

Nice info. I also thk 20k is unreasonable n by right there is no need to inspect at 50k service. But done is done, i wont return to this workshop anymore n will req to chk the cvt fluid at 80k service. Thx

If CVT oil really need to be changed every 20k, surely service centre would want every driver to change it in the service manual.
As by not mentioning in the service manual and not insist customer to change it, if CVT part does wear out due to it,
it could jeopardise their warranty liabilities as most car is having 3 years warranty, which could means around 80~100k mileage.

Just like they insist engine oil being changed every 5k or 10k, if not 3 warranty may be voided.

Actually, becareful about changing CVT fluid outside, make sure those workshop mechanic is well verse with CVT oil, as there was story mechanic pour ATF oil instead of CVT. (auto-gear so pour auto oil lor, and ATF is auto oil...)

This post has been edited by cherroy: Jan 15 2014, 04:37 PM

do a regular of 20,000 KM change:

- if you are aggressive driver whom weck D - D3 (like manual)
- Protect your GB solenoids
- You enjoy better shifting

Pls use genuine Type IV

!!!!! Take note !!!!!

Cvt oil is not the same as ATF oil - if u are having the 10.5 gen 7 speed super cvt altis
Which u have use ATF , pls flush it off immediately otherwise you are just killing your gearbox slowly and surely

Let me share my experience, I own the same model altis. In terms of gearbox smoothness it is superb so far the best I had. From new I had good mileage city and hard driving could yield around 560km per tAnk +-

However upon reaching 30k mileage I could noticed the fu
El consumption is getting worse from 560 down till 500 and upon reaching 40k it's down till 460km per tank.

I have done regular interval service as per recommended by the service manual. And I have suspected the cvt oil is wearing off. During my service interval at puchong and subang SC they claimed similarly that the cvt oil is a long life lubricant; 1 sa even claimed if things are due to change there would be a check light coming up. I wasn't convinced at all and upon further asking both SC claimed nobody has changed it yet !!!!
This was during the 30k and 40k service interval.

However I could noticed the sluggishness on the gearbox while it performing the gear change, less sensitive and getting rougher too. Hence at 43k I call up puchong SC again and this time round they claimed they have down cvt oil changes, hence I proceeded immediately. During my visit, at first they would still claimed the default cvt oil is long life bla bla bla - this time I insisted I want an cvt oil change, hence they relented.following that I even requested to view the actual bottle and to my surprise both normal ATF and cvt are in a rectangular tin with Japanese letterings on it but if you we're to inspect on it clearly enough 1 says ATF the other says cvt !!! The pricing is almost similar with labour both are a 210

Now after the cvt oil change barely a week, I could now clearly see that my initial good mileage per tank at 560 is coming back. And the car gears changing are smoother too !!

If you have ATF poured in- pls get it flushed ASAP. Remembered the horror stories on the very 1st bath of Honda city with cvt??? It's all due to ignorance by pouring ATF rather than specific cvt oil sadly this is recurring again and many ppl do not notice bat this.

Another Altis CVT thread

Not for CVT though.

Oopps my bad then..

I find this youtube can be useful and understanding about CVT oil.

In the short clip, it has mentioned CVT oil is expected to last until the life of the vehicle (5 years?, we need to find out the life of vehicle definition), while some manufacturers recommend to change every 60K miles, or change every 60K miles (equivalent to about 100K KM) if drive at extreme condition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbkdY-Ty_4o

This post has been edited by cherroy: Jan 18 2014, 03:31 PM

CVT oil and ATF oil are completely different , can use but still better get the CVT oil

20k km is average of people driving around 1 year . So changing all the oil in a year should be sufficient .

Pls dont say why must change so fast. You're driving a altis for godsake

You want to "test out" the CVT gear box that easily can cost 5 digit to see ATF can be used or replace CVT oil?

CVT oil properties is different with ATF, because the functionality and mechanism is different with conventional 4 gear auto-transmission.

You change a fluid when its properties degraded that could harm the functionality of parts, this is basic engineering knowledge instead put a statement please don't ask why must it be changed so fast.

If CVT oil is really need to change every 20k if not the gear box would spoil, then the manufacturer will be the one first to tell customer or insist the customer to change, as they are more afraid the warranty claim, if the gear box can spoil if not changing the CVT oil at 20k interval.

Just like the engine oil, manufacturer insist customer to change at first 1K, 5k, 10k interval on engine oil, if not manufacturer may not oblige for the warranty on the engine.

Sifu, correct fluid for 1.8 altis cvt is 0888602105 tc or 0888602505 fe ? Recently bought 1 used altis wanna change cvt fluid but not sure which one is the correct fluid.

On top of Nut stated either TC or FE.. This the only way to confirm it.. currently using ZGE20 same as Altis..

This post has been edited by Oldskolboyz: Dec 4 2018, 11:33 PM


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