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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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cheahcw2003
post Jan 26 2014, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 26 2014, 07:59 AM)
Property market is not something new. Ever wonder why older people (e.g. gen x) and have more resources are not overwhelming in current property market frenzy?
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Older generation, in general, are more experienced and risk adverse, they know what they want to suit their risk portfolio. Less emotional when making investment decision, less relying on hear say but invest with wisdom.
I can't say it for all, but at least my investment kaki around my age.

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post Jan 26 2014, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(BTimes @ Jan 26 2014, 08:10 AM)
Yes, go for gated and guarded freehold landed. It is a very resilient investment  nod.gif
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Judging the current security condition, gng landed is the way to go.
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post Jan 26 2014, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 26 2014, 06:39 AM)
Boss think of the brighter side. Rental income is not mentioned in ur assumption le.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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He doesn't factor in the current value and future value of money. In long term investment, one must factor in the time value of money (discounted cash flow method) to analyze investment as a dollar today is not the same value after 10 years. U need to discount back your loan amount after 10 years into today's value to analyze it.

Assuming the average mortgage loan interest is 5% pa for the next 10 years (Currently 4.2% with blr-2.4%), u r better off with the borrowing if the yearly inflation rate is > borrowing rate.

In the long term, those who keep FD in the bank will loose out for those who invest with better return. We need to at least beat the inflation rate.
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post Jan 26 2014, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 26 2014, 11:59 AM)
Curry mee was 10 cents. Tats fact. It was 30yrs ago. But smaller portion in school.
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Oh... My time already 30 cents liao.
Feel wasting time debating here, as some extremists here assume that all properties investors who contribute ideas here are property agents who want to flip to young ppl, selling high price robbing from the poor Gen Y.

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post Jan 26 2014, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jan 26 2014, 09:34 AM)
Walau, buying property has to think so much... if this skill is compulsory for property investment to sucess then those less educated anke/anti will hv prob loh... but yet they r silent majority who making fortune by just buy and keep ..    tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Investors of each generation have their own set of calculator. Like others have shared, the baby boomers like uncle aunties' strategy are buy and never sell. Know few uncles accumulate palm oil lands for the last 30 years, and they will never sell. These uncles never study bubbles bursting, stocks candle lights report, inflation and unemployment statistics. But they are doing good!!

Another uncle of mine only buy shoplots and rented to banks, telcos and insurance companies. These are prompt paymasters. Use the tenancy agreements income prove to rolled over and buy more shoplots units.
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post Jan 26 2014, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 26 2014, 12:56 PM)
Has anybody thought why banks, telcos and insurance companies never bought shoplots themselves, if property is such a fantastic investment ? I guess whether they either thought property is a lousy investment or they can get better return with their money.
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Banks/insurance companies do not owns all the branches, maybe only HQ and some key branches. Probably they know what is their core business.
Banks/ insurance companies operate within strict guideline imposed by bnm, buying property is considered asset acquisition + capital expenditure. Need shareholders approval.

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post Jan 26 2014, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(restful increase @ Jan 26 2014, 06:59 PM)
Matured areas damandara heights, sri hartamas, desa park city, TTDI, Bandar Utama, Bangsar, Kenny Heights..and several others..even when property bubble burst..how much can d landed property prices dropped in these areas? 5% ??
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These were the places that went thru the 1997 and 2003 global crisis without major price downward adjustment.
I think the "save area" would be extended to some other mature area, such as Puchong, Kepong, Cheras, Sri Dsara, Sungai Buloh, SS2/3. Shah Alam landed properties where most of the landed properties are owners occupied. Owners would defend their own shelters to the death, so possibly there would be price stagnant but no transactions scenerio during the bad time,, price unlikely to drop significantly.

The concern would be more on the fast growing and more likely oversupply area, such as Cyberjaya, Mont Kiara, Jalan Ampang row, Ara Dsara....No offence to those who have vested in this area, this is my personal observation.
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post Jan 26 2014, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 26 2014, 09:20 PM)
During crisis, property market will be segmented into 2 i.e. private sellers and foreclosures. No private sellers is willing to sell at a lose hence asking price always include his cost, expenses and profit if allowed; hence to general public and re agents, price is stagnant or even rise with interest rate. However, in foreclosure sales, price can be 40% lower as happened in the U.S, U.K, Spain, etc.
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In fact, prop investors can find good deals in public auction, if searching hard. My friend bought a few auction properties in 2013, around 30-40% below the market price. He acquires them via public auction, renovate and touch up, rent them out, all could be done in 4 months time. Quick turnaround time.

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post Jan 27 2014, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jan 27 2014, 07:53 AM)
I hv a 70% loan with a bank, my property has gone up 67% now, I try to refinance my property with new valuation but it was rejected, bank says my income cannot support a higher loan. I try 2 banks
It is not easy to refinance as claimed by you
My LTV stands at 43% now
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For refinance case, the cash out portion, the bank cap at 10 years repayment period when calculating monthly installment.

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