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post Feb 8 2014, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Feb 8 2014, 12:58 PM)
Indonesian Air Force Draws Up Shopping List
By  Alan Warnes | 7 February 2014 Friday | 11:05 PM

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The next five-year budget, for 2015-2019, will be set in mid-2014 and projects such as airborne early warning and control (AEW&C), tankers, new fighters, SIGINT aircraft as well as new weaponry are all under review. It is unlikely the Russians will figure highly in any future acquisition.
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definitely got my attention..
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 8 2014, 11:49 AM)
And fulus beb, ada fulus all can wor

And having a military general as a president really boosted their military progress
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With hisapmuddin at there everything sekadar cakap je.
See our military nothing happen only cont from previous projects.
sigh.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 8 2014, 11:49 AM)
And fulus beb, ada fulus all can wor

And having a military general as a president really boosted their military progress
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fulus ada kalau takder atau tak byk songlap
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Feb 8 2014, 03:04 PM)
fulus ada kalau takder atau tak byk songlap
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No fulus is quite bs.
Tengok perviously all project going well then come hisap all gg.
sekarang kdn get lots of nice stuff.
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Malaysia Struggles to Update Military
By DZIRHAN MAHADZIR | 7 February 2014 Friday | 11:20 PM

The current political climate and government austerity measures in Malaysia mean that a number of programs for the Malaysian armed forces look likely to be postponed until the time frame of the 11th Malaysia Plan, which covers government spending for the period of 2016-2020. A combination of public dissatisfaction over the cutting of government subsidies and the government’s need to balance an increasing deficit has made spending on military procurement politically unviable at the moment.

One of the key programs already on hold indefinitely is the Royal Malaysian Air Force MRCA (multi-role combat aircraft) requirement to replace its MiG-29s, though all four contenders for the program–Boeing, Dassault, BAE Systems and Saab–have, in the light of the current situation, made proposals such as long-term repayments and lease options to Malaysia in an attempt to persuade the country to make a decision soon to go ahead with the program.

However, it appears that even this will not be enough for Malaysia to proceed in the near future, even though the timetable has already fallen behind the RMAF’s projected target date of 2015 for phasing out the MiG-29s. The RMAF currently has restricted the MiG-29 fleet (which number around eight aircraft) to operational duties and missions only in an effort to preserve their operational lifespan. Previously, the MiG-29 also carried out public event duties such as fly-pasts and airshow displays.

Delay for Lead-in Fighters

The delay on the MRCA program has also impacted the RMAF’s plans for additional lead-in fighter trainers to add to the eight MB-339CMs it currently operates, as the RMAF has held off ordering additional MB-339CMs due to a combination of budget constraints and wanting to see which type of aircraft would be chosen for the MRCA program. It could then decide whether additional MB-339CMs or a more compatible lead-in fighter trainer for the new MRCAs would be required.

At the moment, the RMAF faces a shortfall in lead-in fighter trainer aircraft for its current training requirements, though the planned deactivation in 2015 of No. 12 Squadron, which currently operates two RF-5Es and four F-5E/Fs, would free up fighter pilots for duties in other squadrons. For basic pilot training the RMAF is expected to sign a contract in April this year for additional PC-7 Mk IIs to add to its current fleet during the Defense Services Asia (DSA) exhibition in Kuala Lumpur.

AEWC on Hold

Another program on hold indefinitely is the airborne early warning and control (AEWC) requirement; the RMAF has had a long-term requirement for at least four aircraft but the government has balked at the potential cost of purchasing and operating such aircraft. RMAF chief general Tan Sri Rodzali Daud has tried to persuade the government to purchase AEWC aircraft on the basis that such an aircraft would also be of use in other roles, such as surveillance and monitoring of Malaysian waters and airspace, and also provide surveillance support for Malaysian civilian enforcement agencies in addition to the traditional military missions of such platforms. However, there still seems to be little government interest in providing funding for such a platform.

Two RMAF programs are expected to commence soon, namely the upgrade of the RMAF’s Lockheed C-130 fleet and the service life extension of 15 of the RMAF’s 28 operational Sikorsky S-61 Nuri helicopters. The RMAF C-130 fleet, numbering around 14 aircraft, are to be upgraded with avionics and navigation systems that would bring them up to compliance to international aviation requirements along with a glass cockpit.

The upgrade for the C-130s would be done in batches–an initial number of four to eight aircraft is currently funded, with Malaysian company Airod to do the work along with an assigned foreign partner selected by the RMAF. Esterline CMC, Astronautics, Marshall Aerospace and Rockwell Collins are said to be on the RMAF’s down-select list for this program and an announcement is expected to be made at DSA in April.

The S-61 upgrades will also be done by Airod. The lack of funding to purchase additional EC725s to add to the 12 in service has forced the RMAF to prolong the life of 15 S-61s as the Malaysian Armed Forces has laid down the requirement that the RMAF must have a minimum of 27 medium-lift helicopters in service.

Attack Helicopter on Hiatus

While last year’s incursion by Sulu militants into eastern Malaysia initially provided impetus for the acquisition of an attack helicopter capability for the Army Air Corps, again the financial crunch has placed the program in a hiatus. Boeing and Airbus Helicopters have been marketing the AH-64 and Tiger, respectively, for this requirement though recently the Bell AH-1Z Cobra has been promoted as a cheaper alternative to both. The army is also seeking to arm its 11 A109 helicopters, which are currently operating in the light-observation helicopter role for the Army Air Corps. As a stop-gap contingency measure, three of the RMAF’s S-61 Nuri helicopters in eastern Malaysia have been outfitted with .50 caliber door guns to provide gunship support.

Since 2011 the Royal Malaysian Navy has been proposing the acquisition of at least six antisubmarine warfare helicopters to add to its current fleet of six Super Lynx and six Eurocopter AS555 Fennecs. However, the chief of the RMN, Adm. Tan Sri Aziz Jaafar, told AIN that the likelihood of funding for the ASW helicopters also may come about only in the timeframe of the 11th Malaysia Plan.

The U.S. has already been heavily promoting the MH-60R Seahawk for this requirement with exercises and port calls by U.S. Navy ships to Malaysia, emphasizing the helicopter’s role and capabilities along with familiarization flights for Malaysian navy personnel and defense ministry officials. However, there has also been talk of a navalized Eurocopter (Airbus Helicopters) EC725, which would ensure some compatibility of logistics and maintenance with the Royal Malaysian Air Force’s EC-725 fleet. However the RMN is said to be leaning towards the MH-60R.

Currently, ground-based air defense capabilities for Malaysia is limited to some 15 Jernas SAM systems, 28 Oerlikon Skyguard Systems (operated by the Army Air Defence Artillery Group–known as GAPU in the local acronym), along with an assortment of MANPADS. including the IGLA (operated by GAPU and RMAF), Anza Mk 2 (used by the Army’s parachute battalions) and the FN-6 (operated by GAPU). The Starburst MANPADs have all been phased out of service. GAPU has been tasked with formulating the ground-based SAM system requirement for all three services and a report was tabled by them late last year, although again funding for any procurement in the near term appears to be unlikely.

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Indonesian Army and Navy Expand Fleets
by ALAN WARNES | 7 February 2014 Friday | 11:10 PM

After years of neglect, the Indonesian Army Aviation (TNI-AD) is now set for some radical modernization in a bid to stem the country’s increasing threats. A deal for eight AH-64E Guardian helicopters worth around $500 million was announced in August 2013, but it is not clear if a contract has been signed. The original DSCA (Defense Security Cooperation Agency) notification quoted a figure of $1.42 billion to cover all the associated weapons (including 32 Hellfire missile launchers and 140 Hellfire AGM-114R3 missiles), support and other associated equipment. According to the U.S. government, “The AH-64Es will defend borders, conduct counterterrorism and counter-piracy operations, and control the free flow of shipping through the Strait of Malacca.” They will be purchased via the U.S. Army through the Foreign Military Sale process.

There was speculation in late 2012/early 2013 the TNI-AD was going to buy up to 20 UH-60Ms but nothing has materialized. However, AIN has been informed that Eurocopter has been contracted to deliver 12 AS550/355s, one AS350B3, six AS355NPs and five AS550C3 Armed Scouts to the TNI-AD, although deliveries are not expected to begin until 2015 at the earliest.

Given these additional purchases and the need to train more than 100 additional rotary-wing pilots over the next few years, the TNI-AD is acquiring six Schweizer S-300C helicopters. Sikorsky Aircraft confirmed on April 16, 2012, it had sold two S-300Cs, with an option on four more.

Seven Mil Mi-35Ps are now with the TNI-AL, the final pair arriving on March 20, 2013. They are operated by Skadron Udara Angkatan Darat 31, based at Achmad Yani Airport, Samerang, which also operates 12 Kazan Mi-17-V5s, though one was lost on November 9 last year, with the 13 people on board being killed. Another six Mi-17-V5s are on order. Three Mi-17s are being used by the United Nations for its UN Mission in South Sudan (UNMISS).

In December 2013, PTDI handed over six brand-new NB412EPs to the TNI-AD, as part of an order for 24 announced in early December 2010.

Most of the helicopters are based at Achmad Yani or Pondok Cabe, Jakarta, where a sole DHC-5 Buffalo is used for VIP purposes.

Meanwhile, three Airbus Military CN235MPAs, on order since 2009, should now have been delivered to the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) with the Thales AMASCOS 200 maritime system, housing the more powerful Oceanmaster 400 radar. According to PTDI, there are two more CN 235MPAs on order but they are likely to be fitted with the Elta EL/M2022 radar in a configuration similar to the four CN 235s delivered to the Korean Coast Guard in 2012. These aircraft will see the Nomad maritime patrol aircraft being phased out. The TNI-AL should also be on the verge of receiving one of the last CASA NC212-200s before PTDI concentrates its production on the newer NC212-400 launched at the LIMA Show in March 2013. All the TNI-AL aircraft are based at Surabaya, Indonesia’s second largest city.

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post Feb 8 2014, 04:18 PM

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jelly gilerrrr dgn Indo~~~ cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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post Feb 8 2014, 04:36 PM

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sub, frigate, aewc, mrca, gbad..fuh entah bila boleh dapat benda2 yg penting ni..5 tahun lagi pun tak boleh jamin dapat semua ni
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Feb 8 2014, 04:18 PM)
jelly gilerrrr dgn Indo~~~  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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The 2 articles are more focus on the Indonesian military aviation and are not quite accurate & updated. It will be interesting to see on what are the shopping list of the Indonesian ground forces & naval forces in the 2nd MEF 2015 - 2019.
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2 concept design of the KFX fighter with double & single engine.

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post Feb 9 2014, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 8 2014, 03:15 PM)
No fulus is quite bs.
Tengok perviously all project going well then come hisap all gg.
sekarang kdn get lots of nice stuff.
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Maybe not goood idea,
can consider take USD 1 Billion from our BNM rezab to purchase, 1B not much at lease can buy some, usually military hardware make payment by installment. so 1 b can use for few project initial payment.

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With the current gov procument model, there is no way we could afford everything.
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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Feb 8 2014, 01:58 PM)
Indonesian Air Force Draws Up Shopping List
By  Alan Warnes | 7 February 2014 Friday | 11:05 PM
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A well known forumer in other forum has posted:

TNI Confirmed shopping list items as of February 9, 2014 are as follows:
Air Force:
1. Su-35SI Super Flanker : 64-O, 16-D2014, 24-D2015, 24-D2016
2. JAS-39 Gripen NG: 44-O, 14-D2014 (leased scheme), 8-D2014 (first batch delivery) 18-D2015, 18-D2016
3. EF Typhoon: 36-O, 12-D2014 (ex Luftwaffe), 10-D2015 (brand new), 14-D2016.
4. Su-34 Fullback: 48-O, 8-D2014, 12-D2015, 14-D2016, 14-D2017 (note: batch 1+2 derived from VVS-RF units)
5. Erieye: 10-O, 3-D2014, 3-D2015, 4-D2016 (possible order extension into 14 units).
Note:
1.item #3 pending British approval for technology transfer scheme on certain parts, financing scheme, and acquisition of MBDA Meteor missiles.
2. item #2: possible scenario of integrating leased units from Swedish Air Force as part of acquisition scheme, thus increasing actual figure to 58 units.
3. item #1: including upgrade package on EW, radar, and integration systems into current Indonesian Air Defense Ground Environment frameworks.
4. item #4: including upgrade package on EW, radar, ASW sensors, and long range "tactical missiles".

Found it quite interesting since he is a another person who stated Gripen NG with the same number: 44 and a leased scheme...

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QUOTE(gang4 @ Feb 10 2014, 08:52 AM)
A well known forumer in other forum has posted:

TNI Confirmed shopping list items as of February 9, 2014 are as follows:
Air Force:
1. Su-35SI Super Flanker : 64-O, 16-D2014, 24-D2015, 24-D2016
2. JAS-39 Gripen NG: 44-O, 14-D2014 (leased scheme), 8-D2014 (first batch delivery) 18-D2015, 18-D2016
3. EF Typhoon: 36-O, 12-D2014 (ex Luftwaffe), 10-D2015 (brand new), 14-D2016.
4. Su-34 Fullback: 48-O, 8-D2014, 12-D2015, 14-D2016, 14-D2017 (note: batch 1+2 derived from VVS-RF units)
5. Erieye: 10-O, 3-D2014, 3-D2015, 4-D2016 (possible order extension into 14 units).
Note:
1.item #3 pending British approval for technology transfer scheme on certain parts, financing scheme, and acquisition of MBDA Meteor missiles.
2. item #2: possible scenario of integrating leased units from Swedish Air Force as part of acquisition scheme, thus increasing actual figure to 58 units.
3. item #1: including upgrade package on EW, radar, and integration systems into current Indonesian Air Defense Ground Environment frameworks.
4. item #4: including upgrade package on EW, radar, ASW sensors, and long range "tactical missiles".

Found it quite interesting since he is a another person who stated Gripen NG with the same number: 44 and a leased scheme...

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I can't believe that. just impossible. there will be no procurement until 2015
T**ix???? yea right.. brows.gif

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QUOTE(gang4 @ Feb 10 2014, 09:52 AM)
A well known forumer in other forum has posted:

TNI Confirmed shopping list items as of February 9, 2014 are as follows:
Air Force:
1. Su-35SI Super Flanker : 64-O, 16-D2014, 24-D2015, 24-D2016
2. JAS-39 Gripen NG: 44-O, 14-D2014 (leased scheme), 8-D2014 (first batch delivery) 18-D2015, 18-D2016
3. EF Typhoon: 36-O, 12-D2014 (ex Luftwaffe), 10-D2015 (brand new), 14-D2016.
4. Su-34 Fullback: 48-O, 8-D2014, 12-D2015, 14-D2016, 14-D2017 (note: batch 1+2 derived from VVS-RF units)
5. Erieye: 10-O, 3-D2014, 3-D2015, 4-D2016 (possible order extension into 14 units).
Note:
1.item #3 pending British approval for technology transfer scheme on certain parts, financing scheme, and acquisition of MBDA Meteor missiles.
2. item #2: possible scenario of integrating leased units from Swedish Air Force as part of acquisition scheme, thus increasing actual figure to 58 units.
3. item #1: including upgrade package on EW, radar, and integration systems into current Indonesian Air Defense Ground Environment frameworks.
4. item #4: including upgrade package on EW, radar, ASW sensors, and long range "tactical missiles".

Found it quite interesting since he is a another person who stated Gripen NG with the same number: 44 and a leased scheme...

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And the same guy just also posted this

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Navy:
1. Slava class heavy cruiser: 1-O, 1-D2016
2. Sovremenny class destroyer: 5-O, 2-D2014, 1-D2015, 2-D2016.
3. Talwar class frigate: 4-O, 1-D2016, 2-D2017, 1-D2018
4. Stereguschyy class corvette: 7-O, 2-D2015, 2-D2016, 2-D2017, 1-2018
5. F122 Bremen class frigate: 4-O, 1-D2014, 2-D2015, 1-D2016.
6. De Zeven Provincien frigate: 6-O, 2-D2016, 2-D2017, 2-D2018.
7. Sigma class corvette/light frigate variant: 22-O, delivery scheme being finalised.
8. Astute class SSN: 2-O, 1-D2015, 1-D2017
9. Kilo class 877EKM SSK: 10-O, 4-D2014, 4-D2015, 2-D2016
10. Amur 950 class SSK: 6-O, 2-D2015, 2-D2016, 2-D2017
11. U212 class SSK: 9-O, 1-D2014, 2-D2015, 2-D2016, 2-2018, 2-2019
Note:
1. Type 23 Duke class frigate acquisition scheme being finalised, possible 5 existing units will be transferred to Indonesian Navy. All will be equipped with air defines upgrade package which includes Sea Captor VLS missiles system.
2. item #1: utilizing hull of incomplete unit being stored in Ukraine, will be equipped with combination of SS-N-12 Sandbox/SS-N-27 Sizzler SSM, upgraded SA-N-20 Rif M/Gargoyle SAM systems, new phased array PESA radar.
3.item #3: using same configuration of Indian Navy's variant, except for BrahMos substitute for Yakhont system.


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Tag as confirmed and link from Topix. Ayam loled hard.
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wtf man ..all brands of mrca they buy..... imagine their logistic..
btw i think this is BS
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 10 2014, 10:28 AM)
And the same guy just also posted this
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Agreed...the navy list just increased the degree of impossibility...
But he posted few minutes ago:
"Rilis resmi pasti beda dengan realita sesungguhnya, you can count me on that. Semua item yang ane sebutin itu udah confirmed, dealt, and secured, no matter the next government would be..."

he (Narayana) is a yinchet of that thread (well respected from other users)...
Any issues,if any, about his statements could be directly address to him since he was online few minutes ago...




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QUOTE(gang4 @ Feb 10 2014, 09:52 AM)
A well known forumer in other forum has posted:

TNI Confirmed shopping list items as of February 9, 2014 are as follows:
Air Force:
1. Su-35SI Super Flanker : 64-O, 16-D2014, 24-D2015, 24-D2016
2. JAS-39 Gripen NG: 44-O, 14-D2014 (leased scheme), 8-D2014 (first batch delivery) 18-D2015, 18-D2016
3. EF Typhoon: 36-O, 12-D2014 (ex Luftwaffe), 10-D2015 (brand new), 14-D2016.
4. Su-34 Fullback: 48-O, 8-D2014, 12-D2015, 14-D2016, 14-D2017 (note: batch 1+2 derived from VVS-RF units)
5. Erieye: 10-O, 3-D2014, 3-D2015, 4-D2016 (possible order extension into 14 units).
Note:
1.item #3 pending British approval for technology transfer scheme on certain parts, financing scheme, and acquisition of MBDA Meteor missiles.
2. item #2: possible scenario of integrating leased units from Swedish Air Force as part of acquisition scheme, thus increasing actual figure to 58 units.
3. item #1: including upgrade package on EW, radar, and integration systems into current Indonesian Air Defense Ground Environment frameworks.
4. item #4: including upgrade package on EW, radar, ASW sensors, and long range "tactical missiles".

Found it quite interesting since he is a another person who stated Gripen NG with the same number: 44 and a leased scheme...

source
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