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TSMavik
post Jul 4 2006, 01:56 PM, updated 20y ago

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Mr. Narayana Murthy is undoubtedly one of the most famous persons from
Karnataka. He is known not just for building the biggest IT Empire
inIndia
but also for his simplicity. Almost every important dignitary visits
InfoSys
campus. He delivered an interesting speech during an employee session
with
another IT company in India . He is incidentally, one of the top 50
influential people of Asia according to an Asiaweek publication and also
the
new IT Advisor to the Thailand Prime Minister.


Extract of Mr. Narayana Murthy's Speech during Mentor Session:

I know people who work 12 hours a day, six days a week, or more. Some
people
do so because of a work emergency where the long hours are only
temporary.
Other people I know have put in these hours for years. I do not know if
they
are working all these hours, but I do know they are in the office this
long.
Others put in long office hours because they are addicted to the
workplace.

Whatever the reason for putting in overtime, working long hours over the
long term is harmful to the person and to the organization. There are
things
managers can do to change this for everyone's benefit. Being in the
office
long hours, over long periods of time, makes way for potential errors.

My colleagues who are in the office long hours frequently make mistakes
caused by fatigue. Correcting these mistakes requires their time as well
as
the time and energy of others. I have seen people work Tuesday through
Friday to correct mistakes made after 5 PM on Monday.

Another problem is that people who are in the office long hours are not
pleasant company. They often complain about other people (who are not
working as hard); they are irritable, or cranky, or even angry. Other
people
avoid them. Such behaviour poses problems, where work goes much better
when
people work together instead of avoiding one another.

As Managers, there are things we can do to help people leave the office.
First and foremost is to set the example and go home ourselves. I work
with
a manager who chides people for working long hours. His words quickly
lose
their meaning when he sends these chiding group e-mails with a
time-stamp of
2 AM, Sunday.

Second is to encourage people to put some balance in their lives. For
instance, here is a guideline I find helpful:
1)  Wake up, eat a good breakfast, and go to work.
2)  Work hard and smart for eight or nine hours.
3)  Go home.
4)  Read the books/comics, watch a funny movie, dig in the dirt, play
with
your kids, etc.
5)  Eat well and sleep well.
This is called recreating. Doing steps 1, 3, 4, and 5 enable step 2.
Working
regular hours and recreating daily are simple concepts. They are hard
for
some of us because that requires 'personal change'. They are possible
since
we all have the power to choose to do them.

In considering the issue of overtime, I am reminded of my oldest son.
When
he was a toddler, if people were visiting the apartment, he would not
fall
asleep no matter how long the visit was, and no matter what time of day
it
was. He would fight off sleep until the visitors left. It was as if he
was
afraid that he would miss some thing. Once our visitors' left, he would
go
to sleep. By this time, however, he was over tired and would scream
through
half the night with nightmares. He, my wife, and I, all paid the price
for
his fear of missing out.

Perhaps some people put in such long hours because they do not want to
miss
anything when they leave the office. The trouble with this is that
events
will never stop happening. That is life! Things happen 24 hours a day.
Allowing for little rest is not ultimately practical. So, take a nap.
Things
will happen while you are asleep, but you will have the energy to catch
up
when you wake.

Hence,

"LOVE YOUR JOB, BUT NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR COMPANY BECAUSE YOU
NEVER
KNOW WHEN THE COMPANY STOPS LOVING YOU" - Narayana Murthy

darun
post Jul 4 2006, 04:23 PM

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Heh, the problem in boleh land is a lot of management rewards working hard than working smart. In fact a lot of managers that i've worked under got to their position because they work "hard", so they kinda expects the same from you. If you work at contract hours (i.e. 9-5 or 9-6, etc), then you are not at your potential, so you get more work to make sure you work 10-12 hrs a day, regardless if the quality decreases causing more time and resource to fix it and losing customer confidence as well as employee morale.
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post Jul 4 2006, 04:28 PM

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Human is diurnal. Working late night is just against human nature even though human have the will and able to do that.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:32 PM

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Hence,

"LOVE YOUR JOB, BUT NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR COMPANY BECAUSE YOU
NEVER
KNOW WHEN THE COMPANY STOPS LOVING YOU" - Narayana Murthy


Quite a good guide and I love this quote.
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post Jul 4 2006, 09:24 PM

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wah i wish this guy is my boss!
(when it comes to making ppl go home early lol!)
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post Jul 4 2006, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Jul 4 2006, 05:28 PM)
Human is diurnal. Working late night is just against human nature even though human have the will and able to do that.
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in japan, korea and singapore, u have to work 24/7
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post Jul 4 2006, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(quintessential @ Jul 4 2006, 09:56 PM)
in japan, korea and singapore, u have to work 24/7
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it depends wat kinda company, position ur in la..not all of 'em lar...

different ppl, different lifestyle. like me for instance, i'm a nite owl. i hate 9-5 job. that's y i always look for shift-jobs. jobs that required me to work rotating hours. that way i can take my own sweet time to arrange my personal life.

as for working late, it differs from person to person. but imho, it's kinda dangerous for females to work late. u girls shud know the reason behind that. soo, go figure.

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post Jul 5 2006, 09:27 AM

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If let say our working hour stated in our appoinment letter is 9 to 5pm and let say ur boss force u to work OT and u dont agree to work OT, is it againts the labour law? Do we have the right to reject OT requested by our boss?
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QUOTE(darun @ Jul 4 2006, 04:23 PM)
Heh, the problem in boleh land is a lot of management rewards working hard than working smart.  In fact a lot of managers that i've worked under got to their position because they work "hard", so they kinda expects the same from you.  If you work at contract hours (i.e. 9-5 or 9-6, etc), then you are not at your potential, so you get more work to make sure you work 10-12 hrs a day, regardless if the quality decreases causing more time and resource to fix it and losing customer confidence as well as employee morale.
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That's the mentality of most managers. In fact, what I think is, from their perspectives, even if you work smart within the working hours, that's still not enough.

To get promoted, you have to do extra extra more. That's means not only work smart within office hours, but up to 11 or 12PM.

It's a sickening fact.
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post Jul 5 2006, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(kong5091 @ Jul 5 2006, 09:27 AM)
If let say our working hour stated in our appoinment letter is 9 to 5pm and let say ur boss force u to work OT and u dont agree to work OT, is it againts the labour law? Do we have the right to reject OT requested by our boss?
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If i'm not mistaken labor law does not take effect if you earn more than RM1500 a month.
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post Jul 8 2006, 08:14 PM

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i think workin late kills n it's not worth da money
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Working late is not a good habit. Try to set your working time say from 8am to 5pm or additional 1-2hrs for OT. This is kind of healthy trend biggrin.gif
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post Jul 8 2006, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(kong5091 @ Jul 5 2006, 09:27 AM)
If let say our working hour stated in our appoinment letter is 9 to 5pm and let say ur boss force u to work OT and u dont agree to work OT, is it againts the labour law? Do we have the right to reject OT requested by our boss?
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dun use the word 'reject' la....it sounds abit rough lar...just create some excuses to turn ur bos down lor. and no, it has got nothing to do with labour law at all when comes to 'reject' OT.
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post Jul 9 2006, 01:12 AM

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Rejecting OT is like someone claiming to having too much money ya laugh.gif

I would be glad to do OT anytime.
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post Jul 9 2006, 01:38 AM

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Hmm, during really busy periods I work up to 60 hours a week, but after getting used to it, its ok la... plus no need to get stuck in jam if I drive home at night...hehe.
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post Jul 9 2006, 02:51 AM

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"LOVE YOUR JOB, BUT NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR COMPANY BECAUSE YOU
NEVER
KNOW WHEN THE COMPANY STOPS LOVING YOU" - Narayana Murthy

100% agree with this quote, NO OT pay NO working late unless is my fault not finish my part on time blush.gif

 

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