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Proton Preve enjin lantai, LOL
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 Jan 4 2014, 04:30 PM, updated 12y ago
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According to FB, LPT highway|Proton Preve CFE
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Jan 4 2014, 04:32 PM
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kalau vios/camry/altis eksiden,mesti dah takda rupa. jadi mcm tin cola kemek.
kualiti proton is the best. in b4 toyoi This post has been edited by Happy_Igneel: Jan 4 2014, 04:32 PM |
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Not bad
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Jan 4 2014, 04:33 PM
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engine still in good condition!!!
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QUOTE(fisherman10 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:30 PM) According to FB, LPT highway|Proton Preve CFE Woot! Screws kena curi ah?» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «  How the engine fly out ? |
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Jan 4 2014, 04:34 PM
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i wont dare to make a joke..
serious accident is serious.. how much the impact u can imagine until the engine also flew off |
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Jan 4 2014, 04:35 PM
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Wow enjin still survived. I should book 1 for cny
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Jan 4 2014, 04:35 PM
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wow
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Jan 4 2014, 04:37 PM
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This preve seems to be bang by a 4x4 monster???
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Jan 4 2014, 04:39 PM
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Wow! ruffaz 5 stars lancap
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Jan 4 2014, 04:39 PM
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wow... proton got auto engine eject... so hi tech!
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Jan 4 2014, 04:41 PM
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Non CFE 2 airbag only no ESP
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QUOTE(replymela @ Jan 4 2014, 04:39 PM) Wow! ruffaz 5 stars lancap waii, did you wrongly tagged me or... tagged me for racing in other place?  |
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Jan 4 2014, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(11c @ Jan 4 2014, 04:34 PM) Woot! Screws kena curi ah? too dangerous liao engine also jump car liaoHow the engine fly out ? |
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Jan 4 2014, 04:42 PM
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straight road also accident
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Jan 4 2014, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(ruffaz @ Jan 4 2014, 04:41 PM) waii, did you wrongly tagged me or... tagged me for racing in other place? Eh I meant to tag ruffstuff |
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QUOTE(replymela @ Jan 4 2014, 04:44 PM) Eh I meant to tag ruffstuff there. baru betul.  |
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Jan 4 2014, 04:45 PM
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Memang safety feature la engine will drop down during accident so that it doesnt intrude the cabin
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Jan 4 2014, 04:45 PM
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engine still got value.....2ndhand
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Jan 4 2014, 04:46 PM
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engine safe eject...people we don't care.... TAHNIAH PROTON!!
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Jan 4 2014, 04:47 PM
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driver survived?
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Jan 4 2014, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(11c @ Jan 4 2014, 04:34 PM) Woot! Screws kena curi ah? How the engine fly out ? QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:35 PM) i wont dare to make a joke.. baru kluar dari gua tak tahu engine detatch serious accident is serious.. how much the impact u can imagine until the engine also flew off abis kalo engine tak detetch bawak 200kmh abis masok cabin |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:45 PM) Memang safety feature la engine will drop down during accident so that it doesnt intrude the cabin |
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ITU engine... PastI Ada semi value
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Jan 4 2014, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:45 PM) Memang safety feature la engine will drop down during accident so that it doesnt intrude the cabin this |
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eleh tukul2 sikit elok la tu
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:45 PM) Memang safety feature la engine will drop down during accident so that it doesnt intrude the cabin tq genius |
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QUOTE(11c @ Jan 4 2014, 04:34 PM) Woot! Screws kena curi ah? How the engine fly out ? QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:35 PM) i wont dare to make a joke.. Its a safety design requirement that the engine must detach from body at during high speed impact to minimize injury. Volvo has been using this safety design for sometimes.serious accident is serious.. how much the impact u can imagine until the engine also flew off The reason why preve get a good safety rating. |
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Jan 4 2014, 04:53 PM
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I dun care about the bash and trollers. So apa cerita? How come becomes like this ?
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Jan 4 2014, 04:55 PM
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tu bukan lantai, tu jalan
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Jan 4 2014, 04:58 PM
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potong <> bmw. stop driving like it is one.
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Jan 4 2014, 04:58 PM
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driver hidup lagi or not?
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jan 4 2014, 04:53 PM) I dun care about the bash and trollers. So apa cerita? How come becomes like this ? langgar basikal.vrooommmmm... |
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Crumple zone working. That's good
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Jan 4 2014, 05:02 PM
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Itu memang preve punya safety feature la..to avoid kes kereta terbakar.lel
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Jan 4 2014, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(fisherman10 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:30 PM) According to FB, LPT highway|Proton Preve CFE enjin proton masih selamat !! campro ?? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «  |
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apa kes sebenarnya?
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Jan 4 2014, 05:05 PM
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wa.. engin flyin a? dangerous yo~scew longar dan enjin jatuh halfway driving over 80kmh lalu accident dengan sendiri..
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Jan 4 2014, 05:08 PM
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NO blood! driver seat still there, being protected.
5 stars approved! This post has been edited by Pain4UrsinZ: Jan 4 2014, 05:08 PM |
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anyway, literally floored it.
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Jan 4 2014, 05:09 PM
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The owner is standing beside her engine lol
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From the looks of it seems like the car roll a couple times? the roof caved in like that
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QUOTE(archonixm @ Jan 4 2014, 05:09 PM) The owner is standing beside her engine lol So it does deserve the 5 stars ancap.  |
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Jan 4 2014, 05:13 PM
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engine is suppose to be part of the crumple zone, it should crumple not fly off
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Jan 4 2014, 05:14 PM
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women drivers
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QUOTE(BAlm @ Jan 4 2014, 04:35 PM) Wow enjin still survived. I should book 1 for cny U dint buy Ford n bring back from US meh ?  |
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QUOTE(gnome @ Jan 4 2014, 05:11 PM) From the looks of it seems like the car roll a couple times? the roof caved in like that should be ok then, if other car i guess..remuk..flat oredy..QUOTE(olman @ Jan 4 2014, 05:13 PM) engine is suppose to be part of the crumple zone, it should crumple not fly off haha /k car engineer, grad sekolah rendahinb4, all proton basher diam arini... |
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women driving 160kmh in a proton car? LEL. i doubt that it is even stable at that speed.
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Hmmm.... lambo also can engine tercabut. Preve tercabut no heran la. hahahah
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from the look of it, the crash zone working well. driver + passengers look protected enough
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Jan 4 2014, 05:18 PM
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Actually not safety feature. What if got other cars around and engine flung out? Don't drag other innocent drivers into water leh..
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QUOTE(wwwmedia @ Jan 4 2014, 05:16 PM) should be ok then, if other car i guess..remuk..flat oredy.. Graduated from...haha /k car engineer, grad sekolah rendah inb4, all proton basher diam arini...  |
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Jan 4 2014, 04:47 PM) baru kluar dari gua tak tahu engine detatch Can i try crashing urs at 200kph???abis kalo engine tak detetch bawak 200kmh abis masok cabin |
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 4 2014, 05:19 PM) Graduated from... hahaha fail 99 million |
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now i noe how our jets missing their engines
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QUOTE(ruffaz @ Jan 4 2014, 05:16 PM) women driving 160kmh in a proton car? LEL. i doubt that it is even stable at that speed. tested at 170 still stableim using non turbo version |
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wimminz on 160km/h....killing machine
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QUOTE(wwwmedia @ Jan 4 2014, 05:16 PM) inb4, all proton basher diam arini... |
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QUOTE(archonixm @ Jan 4 2014, 05:09 PM) The owner is standing beside her engine lol bro gambar awek dekat blakang tu kasi tunjuk la hehe |
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ffffuuuu
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u guys really dont know that when frontal accident the engine will drop so it will crush in and kill the passenger inside.
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QUOTE(archonixm @ Jan 4 2014, 05:09 PM) The owner is standing beside her engine lol perempuan pandu, padan la. |
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ANCAP 5 Stars the occupants sure survived
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Jan 4 2014, 05:48 PM
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ONLY IF this is not P1, this engine drop is considered as safety feature. Kecian....
http://www.subaruofkeene.com/subaru-safety-center.htm Kecian P1, susah susah buat 5 bintang tapi basher masih fikir ini tin milo... |
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Wat happened? Seems like only 1 car? The engine fell off n caused the accident?
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QUOTE(danabu @ Jan 4 2014, 05:48 PM) ONLY IF this is not P1, this engine drop is considered as safety feature. Kecian.... Subaru Boxer Engine Safety Advantageshttp://www.subaruofkeene.com/subaru-safety-center.htm Kecian P1, susah susah buat 5 bintang tapi basher masih fikir ini tin milo... Subaru Engine Accident Dismount No one expect an accident to occur, but if it does let Subaru protect you and your family. In the event of an accident, the Subaru Boxer engine disconnects and slides underneath the vehicle, away from the driver and passengers. A safety concern of typical V-shaped engines is engine penetration inside the vehicle, which can cause injury and death. The safe engine design is what makes a Subaru a Subaru. wow. so it really safety feature. i tot /k joking only. |
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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Jan 4 2014, 05:57 PM) Subaru Boxer Engine Safety Advantages Not sure if Preve is designed for this... Subaru Engine Accident Dismount No one expect an accident to occur, but if it does let Subaru protect you and your family. In the event of an accident, the Subaru Boxer engine disconnects and slides underneath the vehicle, away from the driver and passengers. A safety concern of typical V-shaped engines is engine penetration inside the vehicle, which can cause injury and death. The safe engine design is what makes a Subaru a Subaru. wow. so it really safety feature. i tot /k joking only. but in in modern car design, not only subaru, a lots of car is doing generally.  |
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They want car with engine that get push into cabin upon impact.
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QUOTE(Nebelung Valesti @ Jan 4 2014, 05:57 PM) Subaru Boxer Engine Safety Advantages If this is also true for proton preve, I would say well doneSubaru Engine Accident Dismount No one expect an accident to occur, but if it does let Subaru protect you and your family. In the event of an accident, the Subaru Boxer engine disconnects and slides underneath the vehicle, away from the driver and passengers. A safety concern of typical V-shaped engines is engine penetration inside the vehicle, which can cause injury and death. The safe engine design is what makes a Subaru a Subaru. wow. so it really safety feature. i tot /k joking only. |
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QUOTE(danabu @ Jan 4 2014, 06:08 PM) Not sure if Preve is designed for this... preve 100% did not have this feature..no way an engine could disconnected and flew frontwards when head on collision happen...but in in modern car design, not only subaru, a lots of car is doing generally. |
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now that wimminx owner can upgrade to preve ancap 5 star
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"Why YU sam kau sei chut?", the license plate seems to ask.
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ALL HAIL TO PREVE!!
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well done proton
ancap 5 stars indeed |
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Jan 4 2014, 06:12 PM) preve 100% did not have this feature..no way an engine could disconnected and flew frontwards when head on collision happen... Hi IR. Burningsunz  |
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 4 2014, 06:29 PM) Hi IR. Burningsunz IR?? whats that |
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engine mount not strong enough.lol
apala proton |
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QUOTE(hickups @ Jan 4 2014, 05:25 PM) wimminz on 160km/h....killing machine My classmate's mom (in her 50's) drive Golf GTI 230km/h rilek je.. IINM on LATAR or LEKAS.. |
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Jan 4 2014, 06:30 PM) IR?? whats that Related to below, 1st paragraph.QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 4 2014, 05:19 PM) Graduated from... |
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QUOTE(faridr @ Jan 4 2014, 04:52 PM) Its a safety design requirement that the engine must detach from body at during high speed impact to minimize injury. Volvo has been using this safety design for sometimes. err.. no logic.. engine detach and fly 100feet whack other road users is safety feature?? The reason why preve get a good safety rating. it should stay in engine bay.. and not intrude into cabin la.. who teach you such things wan?? how many star if engine can fly out during NCAP testing? |
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Jan 4 2014, 06:12 PM) preve 100% did not have this feature..no way an engine could disconnected and flew frontwards when head on collision happen... Was this accident even a head on collision? |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:45 PM) Memang safety feature la engine will drop down during accident so that it doesnt intrude the cabin 5 star ancap lel |
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 4 2014, 05:36 PM) u guys really dont know that when frontal accident the engine will drop so it will crush in and kill the passenger inside. go watch more NCAP videos la.. where got engine fly out wan???!! where got engine go inside the car seat???!! |
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Keep an eye for this kindda thread any time soon...
WTS Proton Preve CFE 1.6 Engine Item(s): Proton Preve CFE 1.6 Engine Item Description: Complete Proton Preve CFE engine with all the wiring Package includes: Engine only Price: RM 1500 Dealing method: COD or postage. Location of seller: Subang USJ. Contact method/details: PM or SMS 015 60920 7312 Age of item: 3 weeks plus Item(s) conditions: Still in very good condition. Only used once. |
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suddenly so many ANCAP 5 star expert in this tred..i haz a proud
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Bumbumg also like this, ANCAP5 is a complete bullshits
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5 pages,
fanboy did not explain what happened. what happened?????? |
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http://jalopnik.com/5907068/this-shelby-gt...hit-another-car
Utilizing Ford's newest ejection technology, the front end of the car separated from the rest of the Shelby. The Acura RSX trailing behind then collided with the supercharged powerplant and punted it down the road. |
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Seorang saksi ternampak sebiji enjin CFE berguling guling atas jalanraya
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QUOTE(razkal @ Jan 4 2014, 06:48 PM) http://jalopnik.com/5907068/this-shelby-gt...hit-another-car The big V8 was then struck by an Acura causing another accident. Utilizing Ford's newest ejection technology, the front end of the car separated from the rest of the Shelby. The Acura RSX trailing behind then collided with the supercharged powerplant and punted it down the road. |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 06:52 PM) The big V8 was then struck by an Acura causing another accident. [WTS] Shelby GT500 V8 Engine This post has been edited by maprocks: Jan 4 2014, 06:53 PM |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 06:52 PM) The big V8 was then struck by an Acura causing another accident. Even ford cannot do it. Apa lagi proton lol. Both also fail la. To be fair passenger in both cars survive. This post has been edited by razkal: Jan 4 2014, 06:57 PM |
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QUOTE(razkal @ Jan 4 2014, 06:53 PM) Even ford cannot do it. Apa lagi proton lol. Both also fail la. obviously detaching engine is not a safety feature..if detach also, supposed to break up in small chunks.. no hurl a 200KG mass at other road users like bowling ball.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 07:03 PM
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built-in engine ejection
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Jan 4 2014, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 06:57 PM) obviously detaching engine is not a safety feature.. HAHAif detach also, supposed to break up in small chunks.. no hurl a 200KG mass at other road users like bowling ball.. Tell that to a certain car company that advertise it as a feature, I quote, QUOTE PASSIVE SAFETY FEATURES Crumple Zones Three point seat belts Disconnecting Engine |
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Jan 4 2014, 07:11 PM
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The design is to make sure engine will go anywhere except straight into cabin
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Jan 4 2014, 07:15 PM
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Enjin bole pakai balik nanti, takyah overhaul .... |
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Jan 4 2014, 07:17 PM
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Pintu Boleh bukak lagi tuuuu....jangan main2....
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Jan 4 2014, 07:29 PM
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PROVEN SAFE
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Jan 4 2014, 07:39 PM
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haish...
ini kereta tak laju ma...apa pasat mau enjin cabut? lambo op kos laa kereta laju maa...haiya... ini proton tadak quality mia...itu pasat enjin cabut...lu orang gila kaaa ini maciam pon mau defend potong ka? haiyaaa... |
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Jan 4 2014, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(Daniel John @ Jan 4 2014, 07:39 PM) haish... Ini kereta exec iafm+ bukan cfe...confirm tak ada escini kereta tak laju ma...apa pasat mau enjin cabut? lambo op kos laa kereta laju maa...haiya... ini proton tadak quality mia...itu pasat enjin cabut...lu orang gila kaaa ini maciam pon mau defend potong ka? haiyaaa... |
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Jan 4 2014, 07:46 PM
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powerful both engine and body , i like
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Jan 4 2014, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:45 PM) Memang safety feature la engine will drop down during accident so that it doesnt intrude the cabin This.Any car engineer told me the same thing, most engine mounting designed to slide down during crash to avoid engine hitting cabin. But in this case i think the driver drove too fast, picture shows the car possibly rolled and crashed onto something at high speed. Bodoh pipu will complain over something they didnt know about, so let them fool themselves here. |
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Jan 4 2014, 07:47 PM
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Banyak betol drill accident arini........
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Jan 4 2014, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jan 4 2014, 07:46 PM) This. This Any car engineer told me the same thing, most engine mounting designed to slide down during crash to avoid engine hitting cabin. But in this case i think the driver drove too fast, picture shows the car possibly rolled and crashed onto something at high speed. Bodoh pipu will complain over something they didnt know about, so let them fool themselves here. |
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Jan 4 2014, 07:50 PM
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Aku tengok ok je, look at the bright side la, driver survive, pintu boleh buka lagi, no one die, engine can sell halfcut
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Jan 4 2014, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(Gigabit @ Jan 4 2014, 07:40 PM) Ini kereta exec iafm+ bukan cfe...confirm tak ada esc haiya...ESC? my computer oso got maaa...buy potong so expensive didnt get one aa? ***  |
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Jan 4 2014, 07:52 PM
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Lol in toyota that engine will crush your bones then u DIE!
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Jan 4 2014, 07:58 PM
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Preve is like handphone. If handphone jatuh, battery tercabut keluar so kalau Preve accident, enjin keluar dulu.
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Jan 4 2014, 07:59 PM
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fuh konfirm fast. btw its normal lo enjin tercabut. BMW oso liddat(their owner argue its safety features so it wont hurt those in cabin(yet dangerous to other road user))
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Jan 4 2014, 08:01 PM
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apa lagi puji proton..all proton basher butthurt..by the way vios already putus dua if accident like this haha
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Jan 4 2014, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(wwwmedia @ Jan 4 2014, 08:01 PM) apa lagi puji proton..all proton basher butthurt..by the way vios already putus dua if accident like this haha Vios has emergency take off feature to avoid collision |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 08:02 PM) Vios has emergency take off feature to avoid collision It always amuse me what woman can do. Respect! |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE(danabu @ Jan 4 2014, 05:48 PM) ONLY IF this is not P1, this engine drop is considered as safety feature. Kecian.... 20+ years of producing utter shit will do that to your brand. It's all about branding.http://www.subaruofkeene.com/subaru-safety-center.htm Kecian P1, susah susah buat 5 bintang tapi basher masih fikir ini tin milo... Unfortunately, Proton made the mistake of branding crapcans with their logo. If they had started out making Volvo levels of safety, they'd be fine. It's difficult to change people's minds, especially when it comes to something as expensive as a car. No one will invest in your product if your track record isn't the best. |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:12 PM
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Proton hot press is real , look at door frame both side still straight . ancap 5 star , very safe car
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Jan 4 2014, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(Mecha_frog @ Jan 4 2014, 07:52 PM) Lol in toyota that engine will crush your bones then u DIE! i've seen 1 viva accident head to head with big lorry at jalan kuantan-segamat. u know where the engine went thru? to the back hood. so kesian all family died horribly inside. i almost faint looking at the mayats |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:15 PM
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This is the real Malaysian Crash Test. Driver also safe and minor injuries.
Definitely consider Preve or Suprima next time |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(dothackRAVE @ Jan 4 2014, 08:12 PM) 20+ years of producing utter shit will do that to your brand. It's all about branding. Talk is cheap, do u even know how much is needed to attain these technologies?Unfortunately, Proton made the mistake of branding crapcans with their logo. If they had started out making Volvo levels of safety, they'd be fine. It's difficult to change people's minds, especially when it comes to something as expensive as a car. No one will invest in your product if your track record isn't the best. U think kia and hyundai got their tech through own r&d? Most of it were bought because they have the money. |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(pg84 @ Jan 4 2014, 08:12 PM) Proton hot press is real , look at door frame both side still straight . ancap 5 star , very safe car ANCAP is rating @64 km/h if u crash @180 km/h, ull be dead even if u drive in a farking tank. |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(MildLO @ Jan 4 2014, 05:34 PM) inbefore vios is godlike car hahahaha |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:19 PM
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like this better? engine still intact but cabin crushed.
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Jan 4 2014, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(11c @ Jan 4 2014, 05:34 PM) Woot! Screws kena curi ah? bodo punya soalan..x nampak ke serius damaged tuh..x penah tengok enjin tercabut...bodo azaliHow the engine fly out ? |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:22 PM
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now we can fly
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Jan 4 2014, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jan 4 2014, 06:33 PM) engine mount not strong enough.lol proton no longer use cross-member mounting to their car since proton neoapala proton |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 08:19 PM) like this better? engine still intact but cabin crushed. Thank for sharing. More ammo for next round on FB |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:24 PM
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What happened? How did it happen?
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Jan 4 2014, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jan 4 2014, 08:17 PM) Talk is cheap, do u even know how much is needed to attain these technologies? Of course it costs shit tons of money. But Proton had the backing of the government and its entire treasury back then.U think kia and hyundai got their tech through own r&d? Most of it were bought because they have the money. Even before we talk about safety, the sheer amounts of quality problems associated with their products has tarnished their name. The protection afforded to them by the government made them lazy to compete, resulting in crap parts from crap suppliers. End of the day, the problems that plague the company are numerous, and there really isn't just one cause for their utter failure. They have problems starting from their very founding, where politics and the government got involved, all the way down the supply chain, to their management, and finally their products. Maybe DRB will sort them out. Maybe not. I'll just wait and see. If Proton continues to produce 5-star safety cars for a few product cycles, then maybe they'll shed their milo tin image. That takes time, and a lot of money in marketing. In the meantime..., I'm lusting after a Satria Neo R3. The real one, not that fake bodykit shit they put out later. I'm looking to scrounge up some money to buy one and take it to Sepang once in a while. |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:27 PM
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kudos to Preve's 5star rating .. now how did the lady driver involved in such chaotic accident .. is she speeding or sort ?
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Jan 4 2014, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 4 2014, 08:24 PM) What happened? How did it happen? car speeding at 160km+- on a bumpy LpT stretch near pahang or terengganu and lost control and rammed a divider.. overturned and rolled over a few times.. driver safe.. now ppl wonder bout the engine falling off whether its a passive safety feature or not |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:33 PM
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LPT Highway again, haish. These LPT and LPT 2 Highway are really dangerous, the road demm bumpy n for lpt 2 even worst, lots of wild animals wandering around the highway,especially cows. Have to real careful driven here.
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Jan 4 2014, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(Noyoudontcare @ Jan 4 2014, 08:29 PM) car speeding at 160km+- on a bumpy LpT stretch near pahang or terengganu and lost control and rammed a divider.. overturned and rolled over a few times.. driver safe.. now ppl wonder bout the engine falling off whether its a passive safety feature or not More like, this sound fake because it is a Proton. If this is Vios, we wont have this argument. |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE(uzary @ Jan 4 2014, 08:33 PM) LPT Highway again, haish. These LPT and LPT 2 Highway are really dangerous, the road demm bumpy n for lpt 2 even worst, lots of wild animals wandering around the highway,especially cows. Have to real careful driven here. If the car is running at 160km/h, then I don blame the road but the driver. If the car accident speed is at 160 km/h, then it is decent strong car.  |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:52 PM
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total loss...engine salvaged but for what..
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Jan 4 2014, 08:52 PM
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kesian
a lot basher now makan back their words in other note we should b& woman driver on straight road doing 160 km/h also got into accident? something seriously wrong with her |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:53 PM
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engin still good ..can plug n play
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Jan 4 2014, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(Emanyshie @ Jan 4 2014, 08:52 PM) total loss...engine salvaged but for what.. Use as coffee table. |
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Jan 4 2014, 08:57 PM
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yup i also have heard about the safety feature, For Renault . In case of front impact the engine framework will collapse.
Not sure for proton, perhaps they accidentally discovered it he he he |
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Jan 4 2014, 09:05 PM
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Ktard biasala...bukan pandai mana pong..sombong ja lebihh...huhu..
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Jan 4 2014, 09:26 PM
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Jan 4 2014, 09:29 PM
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RIP CAMPRO
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Jan 4 2014, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 4 2014, 09:26 PM) VIOS door looks intact, toyota ... |
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Jan 4 2014, 09:44 PM
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fuuh .. didnt know that preve got push eject engine feature
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Jan 4 2014, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 4 2014, 09:26 PM) VIOS at least engin is there....... |
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Jan 4 2014, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 06:39 PM) err.. no logic.. engine detach and fly 100feet whack other road users is safety feature?? Well... its suppose to detach and slide through under the car. The fly part is well... something unexpected, maybe because it just way to fast.it should stay in engine bay.. and not intrude into cabin la.. who teach you such things wan?? how many star if engine can fly out during NCAP testing? edit: the NCAP ANCAP NTHSA etc etc are usually done at around 80km/h, so if the car goes faster in real life, go figure... And no, engine should not stay in bay during high speed frontal accident. Engine is never designed to be part of crumple zone. Its a big and heavy metal block, and would raise the impact because of sudden stop. And take a look on mercedes sandwich platform, and volvo philosophy design behind transverse engine. I think it was volvo who came out with the engine detach idea. I could be wrong though. This post has been edited by faridr: Jan 4 2014, 09:53 PM |
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Jan 4 2014, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(ander7724 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:39 PM) wow... proton got auto engine eject... so hi tech! Wow, ada ejection for engine.. mana for driver and passenger? Oh wait.. proton belum develop lagi.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 09:54 PM
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where toyoi? - president of proton butthurt club
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Jan 4 2014, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(faridr @ Jan 4 2014, 09:51 PM) Well... its suppose to detach and slide through under the car. The fly part is well... something unexpected, maybe because it just way to fast. dont be foolish and say it better for 200kg engine to fly around away from car la.. wtf logic is that?And no, engine should not stay in bay during high speed frontal accident. Engine is never designed to be part of crumple zone. Its a big and heavy metal block, and would raise the impact because of sudden stop. And take a look on mercedes sandwich platform, and volvo philosophy design behind transverse engine. I think it was volvo who came out with the engine detach idea. I could be wrong though. you know detach means come loose from car right? show me which NCAP test proof that engine detach means high ratings? |
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Jan 4 2014, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 09:55 PM) dont be foolish and say it better for 200kg engine to fly around away from car la.. wtf logic is that? The driver survive crash while speeding at 160 km/hr and you want to argue about flying engine block?you know detach means come loose from car right? show me which NCAP test proof that engine detach means high ratings? |
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Jan 4 2014, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 09:57 PM) The driver survive crash while speeding at 160 km/hr and you want to argue about flying engine block? i;'m more concern the flying engine block dont come hurling down toward my lane.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 09:58 PM
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Untunglah masih hidup...lets c whether she still dares to drive fast after this
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Jan 4 2014, 10:00 PM
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turbo kicked in.. itulah jadinya
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Jan 4 2014, 10:01 PM
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I have a feeling that when the crash happens, engine is dropped down and momentum made the car move away from the engine block.. Possible ah?
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Jan 4 2014, 10:03 PM
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Lol'd at all the broscience
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Jan 4 2014, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:01 PM) I have a feeling that when the crash happens, engine is dropped down and momentum made the car move away from the engine block.. macam yes. tgk the pic. the car facing the wrong way. but still dangerous if suddenly got engine in the middle of the road. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:07 PM
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the engine too power already
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Jan 4 2014, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 09:55 PM) dont be foolish and say it better for 200kg engine to fly around away from car la.. wtf logic is that? As i said.... it suppose to slide under the car, maybe my bad for over-using detach keyword : you know detach means come loose from car right? show me which NCAP test proof that engine detach means high ratings? , and the test is done under speed of 80km/h (64km/h according to euro ncap)and the preve is going 160, so again, go figure. http://www.euroncap.com/tests/frontimpact.aspx http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/2008...ap-ar35634.html Have a read |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:08 PM
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i must say good job proton
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Jan 4 2014, 10:08 PM
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I learned in Physics class some 20 years ago that a car's engine will detach and drop in an event of a collision as to provide better crumple zone and to prevent the ocuppants from being crushed. Wonder if they have changed the syllabus.
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Jan 4 2014, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Jan 4 2014, 10:08 PM) I learned in Physics class some 20 years ago that a car's engine will detach and drop in an event of a collision as to provide better crumple zone and to prevent the ocuppants from being crushed. Wonder if they have changed the syllabus. Physics for spm nowadays only teach that a car have seatbelt, soft padded dashboard, airbag, laminated windscreen.not in detailed |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 09:55 PM) dont be foolish and say it better for 200kg engine to fly around away from car la.. wtf logic is that? Hard to avoid having collateral damage, most importantly is human safety. Even without the engine, there will be a lot of collision debris that you have to avoid/bear if you're nearby.you know detach means come loose from car right? show me which NCAP test proof that engine detach means high ratings? Even a small object like fallen helmet after a collision, can cause bad damage to near by cars, but no one thinks that helmet should not be allowed right? This post has been edited by mengsuan: Jan 4 2014, 10:14 PM |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(faridr @ Jan 4 2014, 10:08 PM) As i said.... it suppose to slide under the car, maybe my bad for over-using detach keyword : you do know "slide under" means the engine/transmission is still held to the chassis right? when the tow truck comes, you dont have to pick the gearbox and engine few hundred feet away.. , and the test is done under speed of 80km/h (64km/h according to euro ncap)and the preve is going 160, so again, go figure. http://www.euroncap.com/tests/frontimpact.aspx http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/2008...ap-ar35634.html Have a read detach means come loose away from the car.. The Subaru Boxer engine contributes to safety, because it allows more crush room in front impacts. Subaru vehicles are designed to allow the entire powertrain to slide under the car along the floor tunnel in a severe collision, helping to prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:15 PM
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Save the engine kill the people
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Jan 4 2014, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Jan 4 2014, 10:13 PM) Hard to avoid having collateral damage, most importantly is human safety. Even without the engine, there will be a lot of collision debris that you have to avoid/bear if you're nearby. you do know a car's damage hitting a helmet or even a tire is different from hitting a gearbox and engine right?Even a small object like fallen helmet after a collision, can cause bad damage to near by cars, but no one thinks that helmet should not be allowed right? |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:14 PM) you do know "slide under" means the engine/transmission is still held to the chassis right? when the tow truck comes, you dont have to pick the gearbox and engine few hundred feet away.. detach detach means come loose away from the car.. The Subaru Boxer engine contributes to safety, because it allows more crush room in front impacts. Subaru vehicles are designed to allow the entire powertrain to slide under the car along the floor tunnel in a severe collision, helping to prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment. dɪˈtat/ verb 1. disengage (something or part of something) and remove it. "he detached the front lamp from its bracket" synonyms: unfasten, disconnect, disengage, part, separate, uncouple, remove, loose, loosen, untie, unhitch, undo, unhook, unbutton, unzip, free, sever, pull off, cut off, clip off, hack off, chop off, prune off, nip off, tear off, break off, strip off, disunite; More antonyms: attach be easily removable. "the screen detaches from the keyboard" 2. leave or separate oneself from (a group or place). "a figure in brown detached itself from the shadows" synonyms: free, separate, segregate; More |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:17 PM
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So many accident analysts on /k/.
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Jan 4 2014, 10:18 PM
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How about the victim?survive?...
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Jan 4 2014, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(yakuza1_45 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:18 PM) How about the victim?survive?...  That lady is the driver |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:16 PM) detach yes, dats why i say detach is not a good thing. slide under the transmission tunnel, sure..that';s ideal... still contained within the vehicle.dɪˈtat�/ verb 1. disengage (something or part of something) and remove it. "he detached the front lamp from its bracket" synonyms: unfasten, disconnect, disengage, part, separate, uncouple, remove, loose, loosen, untie, unhitch, undo, unhook, unbutton, unzip, free, sever, pull off, cut off, clip off, hack off, chop off, prune off, nip off, tear off, break off, strip off, disunite; More antonyms: attach be easily removable. "the screen detaches from the keyboard" 2. leave or separate oneself from (a group or place). "a figure in brown detached itself from the shadows" synonyms: free, separate, segregate; More |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:16 PM) you do know a car's damage hitting a helmet or even a tire is different from hitting a gearbox and engine right? Let's say you have a better idea of safety, may you please consider to take part and contribute to transportation safety. Can join Proton or the other transportation safety organization.Otherwise let's just say current compromise has been the best choice until a smarter man solves the problem. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:22 PM) yes, dats why i say detach is not a good thing. slide under the transmission tunnel, sure..that';s ideal... still contained within the vehicle. Bro, if not detach how to slide under the car floor? |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:23 PM
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Sampah driving skill,straight road also crash?
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Jan 4 2014, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Jan 4 2014, 10:22 PM) Let's say you have a better idea of safety, may you please consider to take part and contribute to transportation safety. Can join Proton or the other transportation safety organization. no safety organization recommends that engine detached out of the car body during an accident as being a safe design rule.. pls show me the white paper if you say so.Otherwise let's just say current compromise has been the best choice until a smarter man solves the problem. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:23 PM) Bro, if not detach how to slide under the car floor? if you slide your drawer out from the cupboard, means u detached the drawer? obviously during accident, the front end of the car body is deformed along with the engine mounting in the way that the engine moves into the transmission zone la..  |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:14 PM) you do know "slide under" means the engine/transmission is still held to the chassis right? when the tow truck comes, you dont have to pick the gearbox and engine few hundred feet away.. do you seriously think that the engine flew away from the car? and not the other way round? Eg, accident happened, engine dropped, but the vehicle is just too fast and leave its heart. could it be this way? because when you have front impact crash, i dont think the momentum will cause the engine to fly forwards instead of backward. detach means come loose away from the car.. The Subaru Boxer engine contributes to safety, because it allows more crush room in front impacts. Subaru vehicles are designed to allow the entire powertrain to slide under the car along the floor tunnel in a severe collision, helping to prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment.  |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:21 PM) That lady is the driver |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(kob3bryant @ Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM) do you seriously think that the engine flew away from the car? and not the other way round? Eg, accident happened, engine dropped, but the vehicle is just too fast and leave its heart. could it be this way? because when you have front impact crash, i dont think the momentum will cause the engine to fly forwards instead of backward. in front collision, your engine not supposed to fly anywhere..  |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM) if you slide your drawer out from the cupboard, means u detached the drawer? drawer is meant to be slide for day to day operating purpose......obviously during accident, the front end of the car body is deformed along with the engine mounting in the way that the engine moves into the transmission zone la.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:26 PM) if you slide your drawer out from the cupboard, means u detached the drawer? so engine must detach from its mounting for this to happen right?obviously during accident, the front end of the car body is deformed along with the engine mounting in the way that the engine moves into the transmission zone la.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM) so engine must detach from its mounting for this to happen right? no.. the front folding crumple zone lump of metal along with engine mounting will hold it all together.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:24 PM) no safety organization recommends that engine detached out of the car body during an accident as being a safe design rule.. pls show me the white paper if you say so. We do not have first hand observation of the collision, there's not much to tell about this engine on the road. Your concern about disconnected engine is valid, you have passion in transportation safety, you can publish a written paper about your theory so that vehicle manufacturer and safety organization can further improve road safety. I wouldn't stop you as it benefits all, otherwise we are just keyboard warriors, and trolls like this kind of posts.http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_likely_tha..._break?#slide=2 Answer: Yes This post has been edited by mengsuan: Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(kob3bryant @ Jan 4 2014, 10:30 PM) drawer is meant to be slide for day to day operating purpose...... aiyoh.. use abit of imagination can or not? engine mounting and front chassis will deform la.. while guiding the heavy mass under the floorpan.. why need to break into 2?? metal can deform wan ma.. must break off cleanly wan meh?? |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:22 PM) yes, dats why i say detach is not a good thing. slide under the transmission tunnel, sure..that';s ideal... still contained within the vehicle. The engine mount collapse, the engine went under the car.....THEN THE CAR ROLLED OVER, leaving the engine behind which slide/roll/bounce along on it's own momentum. Can you imagine if the car rolling and the engine still attached, flip-flopping like a dead fish on the undercarriage.Is that so hard to imagine? Engine detach feature itself might not be a standard NCAP testing criteria, but it helps reduce cabin intrusion and contributes to the rating indirectly. This post has been edited by dares: Jan 4 2014, 10:36 PM |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM) aiyoh.. use abit of imagination can or not? engine mounting and front chassis will deform la.. while guiding the heavy mass under the floorpan.. why need to break into 2?? metal can deform wan ma.. must break off cleanly wan meh?? not i can't imagine, but it must be something similar. QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM) The engine mount collapse, the engine went under the car.....THEN THE CAR ROLLED OVER, leaving the engine behind which slide/roll/bounce along on it's own momentum. Is that so hard to imagine? Engine detach feature itself might not be a standard NCAP testing criteria, but it helps reduce cabin intrusion and contributes to the rating indirectly. this one! |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM) The engine mount collapse, the engine went under the car.....THEN THE CAR ROLLED OVER, leaving the engine behind which slide/roll/bounce along on it's own momentum. what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay?Is that so hard to imagine? Engine detach feature itself might not be a standard NCAP testing criteria, but it helps reduce cabin intrusion and contributes to the rating indirectly. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM) what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay? Many have already posted comments and links to manufacturer's website citing it to be a deliberate safety design. Perhaps Volvo and Subaru should consult you instead. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM) what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay? NCAP only for under normal condition la broif ure driving in high speed, accident n fly/rolled over couple of times, anything can happen. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:37 PM) what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay? Still burning butthurt |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 4 2014, 10:46 PM) NCAP only for under normal condition la bro that is true la.. but dont go say engine detach is a safety feature.. you u go airborne anything goes liao.if ure driving in high speed, accident n fly/rolled over couple of times, anything can happen. |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:37 PM) what contribute? then show me photo proof which 5 star NCAP front collision test came with engine drop out of the engine bay? Have you done one before at Idiada? Appreciate if you could attach your report as well |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(ramboramsey @ Jan 4 2014, 10:48 PM) Have you done one before at Idiada? Appreciate if you could attach your report as well well if they have the guidelines for engine detach gaining more points, then it would be easy to show right?This post has been edited by ar188: Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM
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Actually the engine should absorb some of the impact and then burst into small pieces.
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Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM) Actually the engine should absorb some of the impact and then burst into small pieces. exactly..But in this case the engine ran away for it own life. the engine is the barrier between the cabin and the bekside of the other car.. if no engine there.. the drive would have makan the bekside of the other car.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM) well if they have the guidelines for engine detach gaining more points, then it would be easy to show right? Already said it indirectly reduces cabin intrusion liao....there is no NCAP guidelines that say "engine must detached", more like "cabin intrusion must be minimized" or something to that effect, regardless of what method is employed. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 10:50 PM) Actually the engine should absorb some of the impact and then burst into small pieces. fckin coward campro But in this case the engine ran away for it own life.  |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:14 PM) you do know "slide under" means the engine/transmission is still held to the chassis right? when the tow truck comes, you dont have to pick the gearbox and engine few hundred feet away.. Yeah, maybe i misuse the detach word. But it suppose to slide under the car chassis. Maybe because the car going too fast detach means come loose away from the car.. The Subaru Boxer engine contributes to safety, because it allows more crush room in front impacts. Subaru vehicles are designed to allow the entire powertrain to slide under the car along the floor tunnel in a severe collision, helping to prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:53 PM) fckin coward campro At least it proves the engine got soul.Get a psychic to 'talk' to the engine to find out more |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM) Already said it indirectly reduces cabin intrusion liao....there is no NCAP guidelines that say "engine must detached", more like "cabin intrusion must be minimized" or something to that effect, regardless of what method is employed. but the engine still needs to be in the engine bay..you do know without the engine.. there is nothing there to slow the collision except the front 2 beam to hold the suspension.. and the bumper cross beam right? |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM) exactly.. 1the engine is the barrier between the cabin and the bekside of the other car.. if no engine there.. the drive would have makan the bekside of the other car.. Engine mounting and energy absorbing frame for a motor vehicle US 3869017 A http://www.google.com/patents/US3869017 2 #3-Breakaway Motor Mounts-These mounts attach the engine to the frame of the car. They're not noticeable, but the life saving impact is huge. In a front impact collision, they're specifically designed to break the engine away from the frame and with the forward motion, will make the engine slide underneath the car at a 45 degree angle. Making it less likely to have an engine sitting in your lap when the crash comes to a halt. Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/1073393 3 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_Volvo_..._mount?#slide=1 |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:55 PM) but the engine still needs to be in the engine bay.. iinm the one one that slows down the collision is the chassis(crumple zone) itself, not the engine,you do know without the engine.. there is nothing there to slow the collision except the front 2 beam to hold the suspension.. and the bumper cross beam right? beside, the engine only held by couple of bolts. if anything, it wont absorb any impact, it only be a battering ram entering the cabin of the car. This post has been edited by kurangak: Jan 4 2014, 10:58 PM |
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Butthurter still cannot accept the fact that Preve is better then Vios.
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Jan 4 2014, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:52 PM) exactly.. maybe you should try to imagine this situation. if the car maintained in the horizontal plane during accident and engine detached, the engine momentum is still forward and it will not leave the car since the gap below doesnt allow it, hence it will act as a crumple zone and also contribute to the kinetic energy dispersion.the engine is the barrier between the cabin and the bekside of the other car.. if no engine there.. the drive would have makan the bekside of the other car.. 2nd scenario if the car tilted and roll, the engine detached but the opening will allow the car rolling leaving the engine with reduced momentum and quite substantial energy going forward. again kinetic energy dispersion and reduced momentum since we have mass reduced from the body. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(Jack^ @ Jan 4 2014, 10:56 PM) 1 engine mount breaks and engine ends up at 45degrees angle under the transmission tunnel.. Engine mounting and energy absorbing frame for a motor vehicle US 3869017 A http://www.google.com/patents/US3869017 2 #3-Breakaway Motor Mounts-These mounts attach the engine to the frame of the car. They're not noticeable, but the life saving impact is huge. In a front impact collision, they're specifically designed to break the engine away from the frame and with the forward motion, will make the engine slide underneath the car at a 45 degree angle. Making it less likely to have an engine sitting in your lap when the crash comes to a halt. Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/1073393 3 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_Volvo_..._mount?#slide=1 but not engine leaves the vehicle!! |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:58 PM) maybe you should try to imagine this situation. if the car maintained in the horizontal plane during accident and engine detached, the engine momentum is still forward and it will not leave the car since the gap below doesnt allow it, hence it will act as a crumple zone and also contribute to the kinetic energy dispersion. i think the argument here is that the engine dont leave the vehicle.. 2nd scenario if the car tilted and roll, the engine detached but the opening will allow the car rolling leaving the engine with reduced momentum and quite substantial energy going forward. again kinetic energy dispersion and reduced momentum since we have mass reduced from the body. yes engine mounts will break.. as the volvo article states... but it also says end up 45degree angle within the car engine bay.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:02 PM
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so, preve is a good car?
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Jan 4 2014, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:01 PM) i think the argument here is that the engine dont leave the vehicle.. If the engine stay with the car, the momentum from the engine will crash ur leg and end up in ur lap. it willl also change the the vector of your car and make it more uncontrollable yes engine mounts will break.. as the volvo article states... but it also says end up 45degree angle within the car engine bay..Seriously, did u take physic or this is just ur assumption? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:01 PM) i think the argument here is that the engine dont leave the vehicle.. yes thats why it is in fact a safety feature. normal car cannot break and disperse like F1 car to protect the driver so the only logical detachment that can be made is the engine since it carry almost 1/4 weight for the car. remember that the cockpit is still intact. yes engine mounts will break.. as the volvo article states... but it also says end up 45degree angle within the car engine bay..and i think it is actually the car that leave the engine not the other way around. This post has been edited by iconia17: Jan 4 2014, 11:05 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 10:35 PM) The engine mount collapse, the engine went under the car.....THEN THE CAR ROLLED OVER, leaving the engine behind which slide/roll/bounce along on it's own momentum. Can you imagine if the car rolling and the engine still attached, flip-flopping like a dead fish on the undercarriage. Possibility?Is that so hard to imagine? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 4 2014, 10:58 PM) iinm the one one that slows down the collision is the chassis(crumple zone) itself, not the engine, crumple zone is every thing.. inclusive of the engine.. beside, the engine only held by couple of bolts. if anything, it wont absorb any impact, it only be a battering ram entering the cabin of the car. if you notice the offset crash photos.. without the engine absorbing some impact.. the impact goes way into the front wheels even for solid built 5 star cars. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:07 PM
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Engine is made from solid metal. Do you really expect engine will bend to absorb the collusion? the engine will become like bullet fire from a gun in a high speed collusion.
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Jan 4 2014, 11:07 PM
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Discussion's level here so damn high!
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Jan 4 2014, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:04 PM) If the engine stay with the car, the momentum from the engine will crash ur leg and end up in ur lap. it willl also change the the vector of your car and make it more uncontrollable He's an Ir. Automative Engineer right? From ULY?Seriously, did u take physic or this is just ur assumption? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:08 PM
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The safest way is to change this bullet trajectory to other place instead of the passenger. The Ancap is testing at 80km/h not 160km/h.
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Jan 4 2014, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 4 2014, 11:07 PM) He's an Ir. Automative Engineer right? From ULY? ULY = University of Lowyat? Well no wonder |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:04 PM) If the engine stay with the car, the momentum from the engine will crash ur leg and end up in ur lap. it willl also change the the vector of your car and make it more uncontrollable no need to take physic, looking at NCAP frontal test will tell you, 1. engine did not fall out. 2. engine wont go into your leg.. Seriously, did u take physic or this is just ur assumption?  |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE(Glockers @ Jan 4 2014, 11:09 PM) |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Jan 4 2014, 11:02 PM) so, preve is a good car? putting the word "good" for proton is like unholy spawn of devil to them right? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:09 PM) no need to take physic, looking at NCAP frontal test will tell you, 1. engine did not fall out. 2. engine wont go into your leg.. How can u compare collusion at 80km/h with 160km/h? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:12 PM
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Nowadays they will give every excuse in the world to say its a safety feature...
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Jan 4 2014, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:12 PM) putting the word "good" for proton is like unholy spawn of devil to them dunno what term can be used in that statement |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:07 PM) Engine is made from solid metal. Do you really expect engine will bend to absorb the collusion? the engine will become like bullet fire from a gun in a high speed collusion. QUOTE Actually the engine should absorb some of the impact and then burst into small pieces. Engine made from solid metal burst into small pieces? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:12 PM) How can u compare collusion at 80km/h with 160km/h? if 160.. u rite, cannot compare.. even go airbrone will kill liao.. |
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:12 PM) Nowadays they will give every excuse in the world to say its a safety feature... If not a safety features then what? Auto engine ejection(AEE)? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Jan 4 2014, 11:13 PM) Engine made from solid metal burst into small pieces? University of Lolyat much? |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:13 AM) if 160.. u rite, cannot compare.. even go airbrone will kill liao.. plus, that car guling2 summore.. if the side body is not that rigid, memang GG. |
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Jan 4 2014, 11:13 PM) dunno what term can be used in that statement truth hurttheir butt seeping with blood from much hurt |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:16 PM
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Jan 4 2014, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(jAkUn @ Jan 4 2014, 11:15 PM) plus, that car guling2 summore.. if the side body is not that rigid, memang GG. in this case the passenger cell is quite intact hor.. |
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:14 PM) If not a safety features then what? Auto engine ejection(AEE)? One day, you are traveling on a highway and accident happens in front of you....or opposite highway....then in a split second...an engine comes flying at you and killed someone you love...Now...what you call that?!! |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(Glockers @ Jan 4 2014, 11:09 PM) why ar188 keep defending the engine must be attached with the car or underneath? the car would hv rolled. |
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power btol prevak ni
ada crumple zone "The Model S has the advantage in the front of not having a large gasoline engine block, thus creating a much longer crumple zone to absorb a high speed impact. This is fundamentally a force over distance problem – the longer the crumple zone, the more time there is to slow down occupants at g loads that do not cause injuries. Just like jumping into a pool of water from a tall height, it is better to have the pool be deep and not contain rocks. The Model S motor is only about a foot in diameter and is mounted close to the rear axle, and the front section that would normally contain a gasoline engine is used for a second trunk." |
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:17 PM) One day, you are traveling on a highway and accident happens in front of you....or opposite highway....then in a split second...an engine comes flying at you and killed someone you love... Simple. AccidentNow...what you call that?!! |
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:16 PM) truth hurt apa konklusinya?their butt seeping with blood from much hurt preve bagus tak?  |
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QUOTE(szaku89 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:17 PM) this. u do know this is a rear engine car right? engine wont go underneath the driver floor like a front engine car??.. why ar188 keep defending the engine must be attached with the car or underneath? the car would hv rolled. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:19 PM
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Engine is alive. Sensing danger, it decided to jump ship leaving the owner behind.
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Jan 4 2014, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:01 PM) i think the argument here is that the engine dont leave the vehicle.. yup engine should stay in car but not in engine bay.. yes engine mounts will break.. as the volvo article states... but it also says end up 45degree angle within the car engine bay..QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:55 PM) but the engine still needs to be in the engine bay.. wrong,engine does not slow the collision..car frame that slowing and absorb the collision force.you do know without the engine.. there is nothing there to slow the collision except the front 2 beam to hold the suspension.. and the bumper cross beam right? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:17 AM) in this case the passenger cell is quite intact hor.. yup, the reinforced body structures really does paid off in this case.however, for engine to detached under certain condition during collision/impacts, its pretty smart thing to do. increasing the distance for crumpling zone, does decreasing the impact force. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 4 2014, 11:19 PM) Engine is alive. Sensing danger, it decided to jump ship leaving the owner behind. Nowadays electronic all so canggih already. Even engine also have its own AI |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:18 PM) Simple. Accident So you agree that engine flying off a car during a crash in considered accident? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Jan 4 2014, 11:18 PM) apa konklusinya? up to youpreve bagus tak? spec wise gooding but i don't like the butt, very teh ugly |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(peja5081 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:19 PM) yup engine should stay in car but not in engine bay.. only those with strengthen engine frames to overcome the newer offset impact test.. notice how many fail quite badly until driver cabin intrusion when it was introduced even though front impact got 5stars?wrong,engine does not slow the collision..car frame that slowing and absorb the collision force. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:23 PM
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engine will not fly around during collision. physics. it will be nearest the impact body due to the momentum.
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Jan 4 2014, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:20 PM) So you agree that engine flying off a car during a crash in considered accident? No. That is safety featured. But if other car hit them, that is accidentaccident is something that is unplanned. In this case, the engine is planned to detach from the car |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:20 PM) So you agree that engine flying off a car during a crash in considered accident? Was this the case? I mean does the engine in this accident flying off that car? |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Jan 4 2014, 11:13 PM) Engine made from solid metal burst into small pieces? Can what.Instead of one big block as the engine it can be made up of 30 different parts. Upon impact the sensor triggers small explosives at the joints. The internal explosion counter acts with the external impact and helps to neutralise the damage. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:20 PM) So you agree that engine flying off a car during a crash in considered accident? Any part flying off a car during an accident, which can be many parts, is a potential hazard to passerbys. What are you gonna do, complain that a bumper should not fly off during an accident and demand that NCAP make that into a guideline?ar188 You seem to focus on the fact that the engine should not leave the car, which I agree. If the Preve did not rollover, the engine might've probably stayed with the car. On the other hand, when Volvo says that the engine will slide under the car, it did not address the possibility of a rollover. Can you vouch for Volvo that their engine will still be attached to the car when the flips? considering the main mounting points are gone and all that holds the engine to the car is the transmission or the exhaust pipe. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 11:24 PM) Can what. Instead of one big block as the engine it can be made up of 30 different parts. Upon impact the sensor triggers small explosives at the joints. The internal explosion counter acts with the external impact and helps to neutralise the damage. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 11:24 PM) Can what. That sounds good. Maybe we will see it in 30 years time. Until technology matured enough to create that kind of engine, we must relied with whatever the current technology can provideInstead of one big block as the engine it can be made up of 30 different parts. Upon impact the sensor triggers small explosives at the joints. The internal explosion counter acts with the external impact and helps to neutralise the damage. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 11:24 PM) Can what. the engine runs damn hot leh...nanti redline halfway engine burst how? Instead of one big block as the engine it can be made up of 30 different parts. Upon impact the sensor triggers small explosives at the joints. The internal explosion counter acts with the external impact and helps to neutralise the damage.  |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:23 PM) only those with strengthen engine frames to overcome the newer offset impact test.. notice how many fail quite badly until driver cabin intrusion when it was introduced even though front impact got 5stars? front frame should be made soft to absorb impact |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 11:24 PM) Can what. Truely ULY grad.. Instead of one big block as the engine it can be made up of 30 different parts. Upon impact the sensor triggers small explosives at the joints. The internal explosion counter acts with the external impact and helps to neutralise the damage. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:34 PM
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syukur the driver selamat.
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Jan 4 2014, 11:34 PM
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this is great!
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Jan 4 2014, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE(peja5081 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:27 PM) front frame should be made soft to absorb impact soft? then entire front aluminium cukup lor? i guess it should be a mix of high strength steel and ultra high strength steel.. to guide the deformation process..away from the cabin..  |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:36 PM
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/k cant believe proton driver save after accident at speed of 160km
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Jan 4 2014, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 4 2014, 11:25 PM) Any part flying off a car during an accident, which can be many parts, is a potential hazard to passerbys. What are you gonna do, complain that a bumper should not fly off during an accident and demand that NCAP make that into a guideline? in this scenario, i dunno how many side turns did the car do and at what speed .. but i did say the passenger cell is pretty solid.ar188 You seem to focus on the fact that the engine should not leave the car, which I agree. If the Preve did not rollover, the engine might've probably stayed with the car. On the other hand, when Volvo says that the engine will slide under the car, it did not address the possibility of a rollover. Can you vouch for Volvo that their engine will still be attached to the car when the flips? considering the main mounting points are gone and all that holds the engine to the car is the transmission or the exhaust pipe. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:40 PM
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Plzzz.. Google more.. more.. hungry for info but lazy to type..
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Jan 4 2014, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:39 PM) in this scenario, i dunno how many side turns did the car do and at what speed .. but i did say the passenger cell is pretty solid. Agree. Actually I kinda surprise to see the driver is harmless. In fact, she can walk around like nothing happen while the car is totalled. Proton gain my respect for this. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(peja5081 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:36 PM) /k cant believe proton driver save after accident at speed of 160km they went into denial mode |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:36 PM) soft? then entire front aluminium cukup lor? yes with aluminium alloy is enough as long as it can hold engine,rigid body and absorb force while driving at high speed.it does not have to be hard as cabin. i guess it should be a mix of high strength steel and ultra high strength steel.. to guide the deformation process..away from the cabin.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:43 PM
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Jan 4 2014, 11:45 PM
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In lab test / ANCAP test, it is perfect front collision, so the engine just drop under the car.
But in actual accident, when the engine is dropped, they are many possibility happen. Good thing is after the engine is dropped, the momentum will be reduced. And will also create a longer crumble zone to reduce the impact on the passenger in the car. I am not sure if Preve is designed for this, but without doubt, this is something good. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:45 PM
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Jan 4 2014, 11:48 PM
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/k theory: Proton driver shouldn't survive in an accident.
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Jan 4 2014, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(danabu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:45 PM) In lab test / ANCAP test, it is perfect front collision, so the engine just drop under the car. the concern is about other people .. as per above picture.. car bang tree.. but engine acting like bowling ball down the road..But in actual accident, when the engine is dropped, they are many possibility happen. Good thing is after the engine is dropped, the momentum will be reduced. And will also create a longer crumble zone to reduce the impact on the passenger in the car. I am not sure if Preve is designed for this, but without doubt, this is something good. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:45 PM) looks like the engine shot out of the car like a bullet... yup its accident anything can happen dont blame manufacture when u drive at 160km and die or kill someone.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(peja5081 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:49 PM) yup its accident anything can happen dont blame manufacture when u drive at 160km and die or kill someone.. for some, easier to blame the tree being there at that instance.. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(peja5081 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:49 PM) yup its accident anything can happen dont blame manufacture when u drive at 160km and die or kill someone.. Gettleman, that is a mercedes benz. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:48 PM) the concern is about other people .. as per above picture.. car bang tree.. but engine acting like bowling ball down the road.. Most of the case is the car drive too fast. no matter how many safety featured u put in, a high speed collusion is extremely dangerous to the driver and his surrounding.Keyword, drive within speed limit and ur engine wont fly from ur car |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:39 PM) in this scenario, i dunno how many side turns did the car do and at what speed .. but i did say the passenger cell is pretty solid. I'm surprised as well. Only 2 airbags summore.As for the engine thing....well let's just say it is fortunate it didn't cause another accident. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:48 PM) the concern is about other people .. as per above picture.. car bang tree.. but engine acting like bowling ball down the road.. SO u want to market a car that people in the car will be in trouble but outside people will be safe??? This is the fact, till now, most of the cars in the market are designed in that way, protect the buyer first, other.... at least maybe not at this moment. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:48 PM) the concern is about other people .. as per above picture.. car bang tree.. but engine acting like bowling ball down the road.. maybe the design is to save u first not the others your accident is definite but immediately behind you will be either there is a car or no car. and when the engine drops first impact already slow it down plus the momentum is still up front. friction with the road will be the 2nd force against, so anyone who unluckly ram it from behind will face a reduced momentum engine which the movement can be diverted on impact. This post has been edited by iconia17: Jan 4 2014, 11:54 PM |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:54 PM
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biasalah Proton
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Jan 4 2014, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Jan 4 2014, 11:54 PM) maybe the design is to save u first not the others your accident is definite but behind you will be either there is a car or no car. and when the engine drops first impact already slow it down plus the momentum is still up front. friction with the road will be the 2nd force against, so anyone who unluckly ram it from behind will face a reduced momentum engine which the movement can be diverted on impact. QUOTE(danabu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:53 PM) SO u want to market a car that people in the car will be in trouble but outside people will be safe??? This is the fact, till now, most of the cars in the market are designed in that way, protect the buyer first, other.... at least maybe not at this moment. |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:57 PM
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Now Its already accepted that engine flying during an accident is safety feature... |
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Jan 4 2014, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 11:24 PM) Can what. ini troll science niInstead of one big block as the engine it can be made up of 30 different parts. Upon impact the sensor triggers small explosives at the joints. The internal explosion counter acts with the external impact and helps to neutralise the damage. |
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Jan 5 2014, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:57 PM) Now Its already accepted that engine flying during an accident is safety feature... Yeah, the world is changing faster than u think. |
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Jan 5 2014, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:57 PM) Now Its already accepted that engine flying during an accident is safety feature... Next time is to control the direction, speed and trajectory of the flight path |
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Jan 5 2014, 12:04 AM
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Jan 5 2014, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 5 2014, 12:00 AM) Next time is to control the direction, speed and trajectory of the flight path fine tuning went wrong?  |
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:57 PM) Now Its already accepted that engine flying during an accident is safety feature... the concept is pretty much the same as the high impact F1 collision to protect driver in the monocoque. for it to be effective the chassis around the cockpit must be really good. |
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 4 2014, 11:57 PM) Now Its already accepted that engine flying during an accident is safety feature...  |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:04 AM) Tered can be kolosed now |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:05 AM) fine tuning went wrong? Myvi don't eject the engine but make the car go hump another one |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:04 AM) Tered can be kolosed now i lol at these taliban |
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QUOTE(kensh!!n @ Jan 5 2014, 12:08 AM) lel ya the engines will be flying off the shelves preve sales sure skyrocket after this |
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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:06 AM) the concept is pretty much the same as the high impact F1 collision to protect driver in the monocoque. I dun get what you mean...a flying engine has got nothing to do with what you are saying...for it to be effective the chassis around the cockpit must be really good. |
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 5 2014, 12:09 AM) Myvi don't eject the engine but make the car go hump another one Thats a newer safety feature, an addition to the turtle.Same like Dugong flying or crashing into pond...its a safety feature...none of the driver of the flying Dugong suffered serious injuries |
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QUOTE(olman @ Jan 4 2014, 05:13 PM) engine is suppose to be part of the crumple zone, it should crumple not fly off and which automotive engineering taught you this Mr Engineer?!?!  |
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there will be new requirement of ancap safety feature
the farther engine flies, the safer it is, and WIN just like lompat jauh lolololol |
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Jan 5 2014, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 5 2014, 12:11 AM) I dun get what you mean...a flying engine has got nothing to do with what you are saying... read my earlier post about the scenarios and possible dispersion of energy. it is not as simple as engine flying around This post has been edited by iconia17: Jan 5 2014, 12:22 AM |
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QUOTE(BAlm @ Jan 4 2014, 05:35 PM) Wow enjin still survived. I should book 1 for cny yeah, just the enjin working fine...but u already at heaven....MACC will investigate anot? is the enjin screw get songlap? |
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QUOTE(ksilver @ Jan 5 2014, 12:28 AM) yeah, just the enjin working fine...but u already at heaven....MACC will investigate anot? is the enjin screw get songlap? The driver is fine |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:04 AM) Tered can be kolosed now |
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surprisingly i read the whole tered, lol what
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QUOTE(kensh!!n @ Jan 5 2014, 12:18 AM) there will be new requirement of ancap safety feature You'll be amaze if you know all the UNECE requirement can be sometimes ridiculous and troublesome. Most cars sold in malayisa barely meeting UNECE regulations, but Proton current models and future models are trying to meet all the regulations for malaysian and global market.the farther engine flies, the safer it is, and WIN just like lompat jauh lolololol |
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dares you diam7
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:56 AM) dares you diam7 Chase me all the way from FnF to tew me i want to hear what jayraptor 's professional advice   |
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QUOTE(mushashi87 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:33 PM) engine still in good condition!!! |
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One thing I noticed that the doors still can be opened..
My grandfather crashed this car last year, both front doors jammed already..  Kesian him, 80 years old need to climb to the seat behind to go out from the rear doors after the crash |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:20 PM) One thing I noticed that the doors still can be opened.. the car is scrap thenMy grandfather crashed this car last year, both front doors jammed already.. Kesian him, 80 years old need to climb to the seat behind to go out from the rear doors after the crash |
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:22 PM) the car is scrap then Managed to sell the 2nd hand dealer for 42k |
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QUOTE(wwwmedia @ Jan 4 2014, 08:19 PM) hahahaha QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 4 2014, 09:26 PM) VIOS ... |
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Engine falling off is to prevent the engine from intruding into the cabin and injuring the passengers thru the firewall
Source: powertrain engineer from proton |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 5 2014, 12:20 PM) One thing I noticed that the doors still can be opened.. the door can open or not not the main pointMy grandfather crashed this car last year, both front doors jammed already.. Kesian him, 80 years old need to climb to the seat behind to go out from the rear doors after the crash after look at the car, and the victim still can stand beside the "coward CAMPRO" engine even the roof is super out of shape |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 5 2014, 06:45 AM) You'll be amaze if you know all the UNECE requirement can be sometimes ridiculous and troublesome. Most cars sold in malayisa barely meeting UNECE regulations, but Proton current models and future models are trying to meet all the regulations for malaysian and global market. but ironically, they are available in more countries than ....... |
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Jan 4 2014, 08:53 PM) engin still good ..can plug n play ada plan? |
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 01:34 PM) the door can open or not not the main point If u rollover ofcourse la the roof will be like thatafter look at the car, and the victim still can stand beside the "coward CAMPRO" engine even the roof is super out of shape |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 5 2014, 01:36 PM) If u rollover ofcourse la the roof will be like that i wonder is there any official news about this |
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QUOTE(flyf @ Jan 5 2014, 01:36 PM) but ironically, they are available in more countries than ....... Foreign cars in malaysia is not the same sold in europe/australia, especially safety aspect.This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Jan 5 2014, 01:41 PM |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 5 2014, 06:45 AM) You'll be amaze if you know all the UNECE requirement can be sometimes ridiculous and troublesome. Most cars sold in malayisa barely meeting UNECE regulations, but Proton current models and future models are trying to meet all the regulations for malaysian and global market. obviously you dont have the capability to sell volume in multiple countries.. so you try to make it one size fits all.. duh.. dun give excuse trying to meet all regulations across the world.. just want to save inventory cost cos you cant sell enough numbers to make more diverse model line up... |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 5 2014, 01:40 PM) The one marketed in malaysia is not the same sold in europe/australia, especially safety aspect. european car also not same as those selling in USAlu bangang ker? the one marketed in mesia is same like asean/japan/asia model la. safety aspect, those are options that you can add. |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 01:40 PM) obviously you dont have the capability to sell volume in multiple countries.. so you try to make it one size fits all.. duh.. dun give excuse trying to meet all regulations across the world.. just want to save inventory cost cos you cant sell enough numbers to make more diverse model line up... Meeting regulations is not an excuse. It is a perfect business sense as you said, to have all same spec from one production line up. You have to choose to meet global regulations or keep producing non-global cars and sell to local market only. This is not an excuse, but a must. Unlike Perodua, they are just barely meeting the minimum regulations for local market, because they don't have to worry about export market. |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 5 2014, 01:45 PM) Meeting regulations is not an excuse. It is a perfect business sense as you said, to have all same spec from one production line up. You have to choose to meet global regulations or keep producing non-global cars and sell to local market only. This is not an excuse, but a must. Unlike Perodua, they are just barely meeting the minimum regulations for local market, because they don't have to worry about export market. dont be stupid. every country has their own regulations, even japan and korea when they export cars to austrialia or UK or us have different specs for different markets even if they come from the same factory.. there is no such thing as meeting all the requirements. even the climate and seasons is different every where else. |
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so lamborghini more worst than proton coz its engine and back totally disappear??
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Jan 5 2014, 01:51 PM
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Look at the Preve A/B/C pillar which is not deform... it is part of NCAP 5 star requirement... which in event of crash Door must be able to open normally and closed normally inorder for the passenger to escape... yep score there!!
The nature of the crash that cause the engine to fly out is better than the engine end up in your face... so yeah... the roof collapse but hold by A/B/C pillar the passenger is not crushed... nice... yeap in term of safety this car score! |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 01:49 PM) dont be stupid. every country has their own regulations, even japan and korea when they export cars to austrialia or UK or us have different specs for different markets even if they come from the same factory.. there is no such thing as meeting all the requirements. even the climate and seasons is different every where else. In this case, japanese just meet the minumum JPJ approved ECE spec. But some even don't. Also want to exempt further. Proton is targeting Europe homologation, so what is stupid about that?  |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 01:49 PM) dont be stupid. every country has their own regulations, even japan and korea when they export cars to austrialia or UK or us have different specs for different markets even if they come from the same factory.. there is no such thing as meeting all the requirements. even the climate and seasons is different every where else. My Car made in Japan and only have 2 airbag... does not even meet Euro NCAP requirement to have 6 airbag... so you are right... car made to cater to each country requirement (not regulation) if he buyer DEMAND safety they will cater to the market... else their car wont sell thats simple... why we buy car with no airbag cause we dont care... |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 5 2014, 01:53 PM) In this case, japanese just meet the minumum JPJ approved ECE spec. But some even don't. Also want to exempt further. because targeting something doesnt mean they have done it.. proof first la.. model change for their bread and butter model like BLM also kennot do within every 4-5years want to target this n that.. Proton is targeting Europe homologation, so what is stupid about that? |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 01:49 PM) dont be stupid. every country has their own regulations, even japan and korea when they export cars to austrialia or UK or us have different specs for different markets even if they come from the same factory.. there is no such thing as meeting all the requirements. even the climate and seasons is different every where else. how can proton fanboy understand? |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 5 2014, 01:53 PM) My Car made in Japan and only have 2 airbag... does not even meet Euro NCAP requirement to have 6 airbag... so you are right... car made to cater to each country requirement (not regulation) if he buyer DEMAND safety they will cater to the market... else their car wont sell thats simple... why we buy car with no airbag cause we dont care... that's how people make money and survive lor.. JIT , KANBAN etc.. people who cannot multitask with 1million part numbers wont be doing global business for long. |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 5 2014, 01:53 PM) My Car made in Japan and only have 2 airbag... does not even meet Euro NCAP requirement to have 6 airbag... so you are right... car made to cater to each country requirement (not regulation) if he buyer DEMAND safety they will cater to the market... else their car wont sell thats simple... why we buy car with no airbag cause we dont care... thats because honda malaysia ask them not to fix 6 airbags in your car to lower the cost. your car made in japan doesnt mean it is taken from japan show room. |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 5 2014, 01:53 PM) In this case, japanese just meet the minumum JPJ approved ECE spec. But some even don't. Also want to exempt further. not stupid but good... it is actually good... but this spec do made to cater for Malaysian market as well example bigger radiator cause hot climate... Proton is targeting Europe homologation, so what is stupid about that? but the safety is on par with EURO NCAP which is great!!! finally they did something right!!! Malaysian must demand for more safety else car manufacturer will take you for a ride... good case UMW Toyota... i mean look at their safety feature... kinda idiot ppl only will buy |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(flyf @ Jan 5 2014, 01:56 PM) thats because honda malaysia ask them not to fix 6 airbags in your car to lower the cost. Agree... see we must demand more safety else manufacturer will just sell crap to youyour car made in japan doesnt mean it is taken from japan show room. |
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Jan 5 2014, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 5 2014, 01:57 PM) Agree... see we must demand more safety else manufacturer will just sell crap to you toyota honda in malaysia all belongs to cronies......look at peugeot. sikit sikit 6 airbags already. altho the car is a ....... |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 5 2014, 01:56 PM) not stupid but good... it is actually good... but this spec do made to cater for Malaysian market as well example bigger radiator cause hot climate... then why dont you take action... why still sit in your perception of "unsafe" 2 airbag car? but the safety is on par with EURO NCAP which is great!!! finally they did something right!!! Malaysian must demand for more safety else car manufacturer will take you for a ride... good case UMW Toyota... i mean look at their safety feature... kinda idiot ppl only will buy go buy the newest 208 or 308 lor.. cheap cheap also.. got many airbags.. |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(flyf @ Jan 5 2014, 01:59 PM) toyota honda in malaysia all belongs to cronies...... peugeot... they need to fix their gearbox, electronic first then talk.... masuk kilang 3 minggu... drive 3 hari... ptui!!!look at peugeot. sikit sikit 6 airbags already. altho the car is a ....... |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:01 PM
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they say is a safety feature, so that the engine doesn't fold into the passenger seats, doors will also open
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Jan 5 2014, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 01:49 PM) dont be stupid. every country has their own regulations, even japan and korea when they export cars to austrialia or UK or us have different specs for different markets even if they come from the same factory.. there is no such thing as meeting all the requirements. even the climate and seasons is different every where else. you need certain temperature or climate to make the car more safe? |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:01 PM) you need certain temperature or climate to make the car more safe? yes you need... cause else car overheat and end up at roadside you will still get roadkilled wahahaha |
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QUOTE(Happy_Igneel @ Jan 4 2014, 04:32 PM) kalau vios/camry/altis eksiden,mesti dah takda rupa. jadi mcm tin cola kemek. More kemek to reduce the impact makualiti proton is the best. in b4 toyoi |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 5 2014, 02:02 PM) yes you need... cause else car overheat and end up at roadside you will still get roadkilled this is new to me wahahaha |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:01 PM) you need certain temperature or climate to make the car more safe? if your engine overheat in desert temperature.. very safe to drive wan issit? or you use summer tires in winter area? or your radiator rubber hose crack due to different climate? |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:03 PM) this is new to me it happen to me... my Peugeot (kinda old) fully imported overheated... reason radiator too small... so stranded on PLUS nearly got roadkilled... |
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QUOTE(flyf @ Jan 5 2014, 01:59 PM) toyota honda in malaysia all belongs to cronies...... Not only T, H lah..look at peugeot. sikit sikit 6 airbags already. altho the car is a ....... all belong to them. Name me one who is not??? |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:06 PM
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mana Toyoi tak muncul??
.. ke tak cukup ilmu nk bash  ...hehehe.. Toyoi study hard about safety right now  ... waiting for IR.Toyoi kambing.. This post has been edited by newmaster: Jan 5 2014, 02:09 PM |
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QUOTE(flyf @ Jan 5 2014, 01:59 PM) toyota honda in malaysia all belongs to cronies...... .....although the car is not reliable?? For me not all la... pug in malaysia, specs wise in relation with price.... awesome. Because I owned one...so biased skit la ye. Sorry...look at peugeot. sikit sikit 6 airbags already. altho the car is a ....... |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:03 PM) if your engine overheat in desert temperature.. very safe to drive wan issit? or you use summer tires in winter area? or your radiator rubber hose crack due to different climate? QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 5 2014, 02:04 PM) it happen to me... my Peugeot (kinda old) fully imported overheated... reason radiator too small... so stranded on PLUS nearly got roadkilled... ok.... now the topic is about air bags and crumple zone right? |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(flyf @ Jan 5 2014, 01:59 PM) toyota honda in malaysia all belongs to cronies...... Peugeot is offering 6 airbags, just like Kia, because they want as many selling points as possible, and airbags are a quite cheap addition. They have to offer more than the competition. Honda and Toyota save a few bucks by not having safety features, because there are still enough ... who buy them.look at peugeot. sikit sikit 6 airbags already. altho the car is a ....... |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:07 PM) ok.... now the topic is about air bags and crumple zone right? i think the topic OT abit.. in the last 1-2page. |
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QUOTE(danabu @ Jan 5 2014, 02:05 PM) Not only T, H lah.. haaaa none...all belong to them. Name me one who is not??? Peugeot belong to NASIM Group (Naza Group) (AP KING YO!!!!) Proton / Honda / and moar : who else Beras King!!! (DRB HICOM) Mazda.... (also AP KING) Kimci car (Sime Darby and AP King) some only some is Boon Siew Perodua / Toyota is UMW China car is Berjaya Group and Beras King... Hi End dont talk... AP/Import lagi dont talk |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 5 2014, 02:09 PM) haaaa none... welcome to bolehland Peugeot belong to NASIM Group (Naza Group) (AP KING YO!!!!) Proton / Honda / and moar : who else Beras King!!! (DRB HICOM) Mazda.... (also AP KING) Kimci car (Sime Darby and AP King) some only some is Boon Siew Perodua / Toyota is UMW China car is Berjaya Group and Beras King... Hi End dont talk... AP/Import lagi dont talk |
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QUOTE(newmaster @ Jan 5 2014, 02:06 PM) mana Toyoi tak muncul??.. ke tak cukup ilmu nk bash...hehehe.. Toyoi study hard about safety right now... waiting for IR.Toyoi kambing.. The fact is P1 still got lots of things to improve but they are improving. The other fact is P1 basher still maintain in P1 power window problems era and they need the car to be as hard as tank to be consider as safe car. NO need 5 stars ANCAP, no need VSC, bla bla bla.... Jap tin kosong still the safer car. P1 not improve or the basher not improve SOrry I am not P1 fans, I am just a malaysian that want malaysian company to success and I always support P1 not protected by the policy directly or indirectly. STOP stupid national automotive policies. Reduce the burdening tax!!!! |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(danabu @ Jan 5 2014, 02:14 PM) The fact is P1 still got lots of things to improve but they are improving. this is the 2nd question people ask when saw my proton The other fact is P1 basher still maintain in P1 power window problems era and they need the car to be as hard as tank to be consider as safe car. NO need 5 stars ANCAP, no need VSC, bla bla bla.... Jap tin kosong still the safer car. P1 not improve or the basher not improve SOrry I am not P1 fans, I am just a malaysian that want malaysian company to success and I always support P1 not protected by the policy directly or indirectly. STOP stupid national automotive policies. Reduce the burdening tax!!!! guess what is the 1st This post has been edited by edison1437: Jan 5 2014, 02:18 PM |
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 4 2014, 11:24 PM) Can what. I've got a better idea. When the car senses that there'll be a collision a rocket is fired to blow up whatever lies in the way. Simply drive through then.Instead of one big block as the engine it can be made up of 30 different parts. Upon impact the sensor triggers small explosives at the joints. The internal explosion counter acts with the external impact and helps to neutralise the damage. |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:21 PM
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5 Star milo tin.
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I think Proton has done quite good in terms of safety, although the car is not the 5 STAR ANCAP version.
about the engine flying, well, all NCAP tests are done in a controlled environment like 60km/h, controlled speed rollover etc so u won't see the engine flying. This post has been edited by cloudstrife07: Jan 5 2014, 02:26 PM |
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:16 PM) this is the 2nd question people ask when saw my proton door handle?? guess what is the 1st |
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I'll just leave this here.
Source yang malas nat lawat:quote, As an automotive R&D engineer I don't think that the reasoning behind the certification is significant in the whole reason why we don't get certain cars in Europe, why you don't get certain in US and so on. It is far from the wonderland that one car can be sold all over the world except North America if there is a version with the steering wheel on both sides. The most popular car in the world - VW Golf is sold in dozens of versions that seem to be the same on the outside, or even in the catalog. Oil tank for cars with the same engine in Switzerland and Germany is 0,7 litre bigger than for cars exported to UK, or Hungary for example. France has it's own regulations for the windshield washfluid tank (It's early morning and I have to come up with my own translations, sorry), due to insurance costs the same engine has to be set to different power and torque numbers (many countries are setting insurance on cars according to number of ponies, so 140 in VW's 2.0tdi can be ok in one country, but other will get 138, because at 139 a higher insurance class is starting). Just adapting the engine to the fuels used in US and Canada is more expensive than getting certification. The real reason is price. Take for example Fiat 500, but even better - Fiat 500L. You can get Jeep Grand Cherokee for the price of the top trim 500L. You are not realizing it in US, but you have to privilege to buy your cars very, very cheap. Even if EUR to USD conversion was 1:1 exporting cheap cars from Europe to US would be very expensive and would bring very little revenue. BMW, Mercedes and Audi US are making very little money on cars they sell in US if they have to build the cars in Europe and ship it. This is why Mexico is the future of cars for US. Heck even for EU. Half of Skoda Octavia sold on B markets (countries between Austria and Romania, from Austria to the west it's A, from Romania to the east it is C) are shipped from Mexico because the Czech factories are busy producing A quality. And premium brands can afford it to sell cars with lower margins, far worse troubles for them is to sell cars in Asia. One of the reason China is growing so freakin fast is that it is now basically a vicious circle. You want to produce something cheap, you need to go to China, but if you want to sell something in China...you need to go China and make it there as well. It is almost impossible to sell a tire in China if it did not come from tire factory located in China. That is why Conti, Michelin and all the others had to build or buy rubber companies there. You think VW is happy to have a joint venture with the Chinese government and the CEO of VW is really smiling at the chinese managers in the PR events? They got their hands on every screw in the engines, in the whole cars, half of the Cherry and other chinese car brands models are cars from GM and VW, they tried to sue but the dimensions are changed by one millimeter here and there, no patent infringement. If you want to sell cars in China, you have to build factory there. BMW's worst nightmare. Whole automotive market is expecting that China will buy dozens of millions cars each year. And the fluctuation of workforce in China is horrible. It is actually more expensive to build a car for BMW or VW in China than it is in Europe. Yes the hourly rate is lower but...the assembly line worker usually stays within one factory less than a year. He gets the training in VW and then gets a one dollar per hour more in BMW, then Cisco builds a new factory right next door, then he can go back to VW... I flew to Hefei, China 3 times in 2013 to train a person for the same job. It costs 15000 EUR to train a person, he gets the basics in the automotive IT systems, and in 6 months he leaves to the competitor's factory with a CV that says "senior"..they know very well he is not a senior, but they don't have to spend 15000 on training, so they win anyway. We spent 45000 to train 3 people for one job last year, and we have dozens of such jobs just in R&D. The high fluctuation just in our 4 factories in China, Malaysia and 2 in India, is costing the company approx. 90 million each year. You would think that "just pay them more"... no. These are not Foxconn jobs for few dollars a day. Top management will leave the company for very little raise.. And last but not least - you guys pay literally half for gas than Europe does, but you are not using the advantage to get twice the mileage for the same money, you use it to buy cars with half the mileage than people in Europe. Your speed limits are worse than in most of Europe, yet you think 120bhp car is a rickshaw. The entry engine in Toyota Yaris IS is bigger than the one we are buying in Auris/Corolla. Just one of the crazy differences... And you will never get French cars, because... France |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:38 PM
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ANCAP 5 star, wooooow.
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Jan 5 2014, 02:42 PM
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3947 RM 10 big RM 10 small
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QUOTE(danabu @ Jan 5 2014, 02:24 PM) door handle?? why you no bai veeyos  |
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jan 5 2014, 02:42 PM) 3947 RM 10 big RM 10 small ini macam mana bole kaya need RM10 big RM200 Small |
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:07 PM) ok.... now the topic is about air bags and crumple zone right? No, read the title. It's about engine on the floor (a new safety feature) and the fanboys enjoice. |
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QUOTE(flyf @ Jan 5 2014, 01:59 PM) toyota honda in malaysia all belongs to cronies...... Cheap KIA models like picanto also have 6 airbag and esp. and I rarely see new KIA's breakdown, u go to their car clubs all post about mods only, u go to euro car car club, many post about problem..look at peugeot. sikit sikit 6 airbags already. altho the car is a ....... |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:48 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jan 5 2014, 02:48 PM) wimmer driver |
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QUOTE(fisherman10 @ Jan 4 2014, 04:30 PM) According to FB, LPT highway|Proton Preve CFE ANCCAP 5 STARS kan...» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:49 PM) the floor is full with grass ya kah? from my point of view ..it more like wrong white balance setting with dummy camera |
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How about the driver? still OK?
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jan 5 2014, 02:51 PM) ANCCAP 5 STARS kan... driver still survive ..so legit lo according to story ..that wimminz drive 160km/j |
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QUOTE(Cyndai @ Jan 5 2014, 09:51 AM) How about the driver? still OK? ok unhurt. the orange shirt lady is the driver |
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jan 5 2014, 02:42 PM) 3947 RM 10 big RM 10 small |
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 5 2014, 02:07 PM) .....although the car is not reliable?? For me not all la... pug in malaysia, specs wise in relation with price.... awesome. Because I owned one...so biased skit la ye. Sorry... peugeot interior very awesome except 206 era one la. |
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Jan 5 2014, 02:52 PM) driver still survive ..so legit lo ok. according to story ..that wimminz drive 160km/j but then why lost control in first place? 160km/j and suddenly lost control due to?? suspension? or tyre? |
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>>>campro
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Jan 5 2014, 02:58 PM
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so the engine survive but the driver killed?
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Jan 5 2014, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(jiobu @ Jan 5 2014, 09:57 AM) >>>campro where got. >>>proud >>haha >>inb4 underpower so powderful till engine jump out la |
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Jan 5 2014, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jan 5 2014, 02:56 PM) ok. wimminzbut then why lost control in first place? 160km/j and suddenly lost control due to?? suspension? or tyre? |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jan 5 2014, 02:48 PM) wimmer driver How bad is the divider? Until a new photo shown, for now, Preve engin 1 : Divider 0 |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 5 2014, 10:00 AM) It hit the divider. How bad is the divider? Until a new photo shown, for now, Preve engin 1 : Divider 0  dunno, didnt show divider also |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jan 5 2014, 02:58 PM) where got. the engine wanna leave the car since the day 1 it was made, because they simply don't match each other, campro should stay on the road side only.so powderful till engine jump out la |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:08 PM
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This tered still alive. Wow
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Jan 5 2014, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 01:55 PM) because targeting something doesnt mean they have done it.. proof first la.. model change for their bread and butter model like BLM also kennot do within every 4-5years want to target this n that.. At least the Exora have 40 ECE regulations complied. The Preve/Suprima had more EU homoloagations. EU regulations are on going target and they had achieved that. The Suprima/Preve is the bencmark for the regulations, so they can bring those in P2-30A. They want to make it official, so they prepared everything they can to launch Exora/Preve/Suprima/GSC in europe market. QUOTE(flyf @ Jan 5 2014, 01:55 PM) how can proton fanboy understand? What regulations need to follow climate? |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 5 2014, 03:13 PM) At least the Exora have 40 ECE regulations complied. The Preve/Suprima had more EU homoloagations. EU regulations are on going target and they had achieved that. The Suprima/Preve is the bencmark for the regulations, so they can bring those in P2-30A. They want to make it official, so they prepared everything they can to launch Exora/Preve/Suprima/GSC in europe market. lets just talk about the current export market, no need to think so far about EU..What regulations need to follow climate? what are the latest mth sales figures for sg/thai/indo/Aussie? This post has been edited by ar188: Jan 5 2014, 03:18 PM |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jan 5 2014, 02:56 PM) ok. sshshhhhbut then why lost control in first place? 160km/j and suddenly lost control due to?? suspension? or tyre? later fanboy attack u |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 03:17 PM) lets just talk about the current export market, no need to think so far about EU.. Achieving EU regulations is nothing to do with sales figures.what are the latest mth sales figures for sg/thai/indo/Aussie? |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 5 2014, 03:26 PM) Achieving EU regulations is nothing to do with sales figures. obviously you spend time to achieve those regulations in hopes to be able to sell in those countries right? why waste time and resources if you dont want sales in EU? so before heading off to EU... what about those markets already open.. got meet sales figures, or what are the results like? any efforts to improve those sales? |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 5 2014, 03:08 PM) This tered still alive. Wow cause somebody still in denial modesiap buat dupe lagi memang no life these people |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jan 5 2014, 03:31 PM) cause somebody still in denial mode Proton chasis okay what. World class hot forming facility oooo. But workmanship for small small thing like door panel and dashboard memang face palm. But it is still safer than say vios or city.siap buat dupe lagi memang no life these people |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 5 2014, 03:34 PM) Proton chasis okay what. World class hot forming facility oooo. But workmanship for small small thing like door panel and dashboard memang face palm. But it is still safer than say vios or city. of courselahit's those finnicky little stuff that make people go bald but imo this accident prove what it means to have all the safety features except that the driver is woman |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:50 PM
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Got accident today where Myvi engine also got thrown out of the engine bay... after exit RnR Seremban heading south.
Seasonal thing ka, this engine run away from cars ni? |
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Jan 5 2014, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 4 2014, 05:19 PM) Graduated from... what magazine is this |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(MrssV @ Jan 5 2014, 03:50 PM) Got accident today where Myvi engine also got thrown out of the engine bay... after exit RnR Seremban heading south. Or you want engine joins you inside cabin? Seasonal thing ka, this engine run away from cars ni? |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:01 PM) Or you want engine joins you inside cabin? or you can prefer to have other people's engine drop into your car after you swerve to avoid hitting the other accident car |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Jan 5 2014, 03:58 PM) what magazine is this u really selowpoke. This magazine is from Top Gear Malaysia.sos kicap |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:03 PM) or you can prefer to have other people's engine drop into your car after you swerve to avoid hitting the other accident car That is why you buy auto insurance lol. |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:51 PM) Most of the case is the car drive too fast. no matter how many safety featured u put in, a high speed collusion is extremely dangerous to the driver and his surrounding. driver error.Keyword, drive within speed limit and ur engine wont fly from ur car the next step is to remove the biggest cause of accidents which is the driver. so even the safest car in the world is not safe if there is a reckless driver which is why now its moving to active saftey where the car will take over and stop if you drive crazy |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:05 PM) That is why you buy auto insurance lol. auto insurance is after the fact... it wont save you when you eat that guys engine block |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(maprocks @ Jan 5 2014, 04:03 PM) damm I threw out my whole collection to free space. Now I remember. |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:07 PM) auto insurance is after the fact... it wont save you when you eat that guys engine block You can get choke while eating. Do you stop eating? |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:10 PM) You can get choke while eating. Do you stop eating? man you got weird reasoning... do you eat 200kg aluminium? |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:10 PM) You can get choke while eating. Do you stop eating? in k world yes |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:10 PM) man you got weird reasoning... do you eat 200kg aluminium? The odd of getting engine block in your face while driving is at least as low as choke while eating. You might struck by lightning or even asteroid but the odd is obviously too low to consider as a threat. |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:13 PM) The odd of getting engine block in your face while driving is at least as low as choke while eating. You might struck by lightning or even asteroid but the odd is obviously too low to consider as a threat. the main point is one less lump of metal on the road is preferable to other road users during such accidents. |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:03 PM) or you can prefer to have other people's engine drop into your car after you swerve to avoid hitting the other accident car Ar188 is in denial mode, sure fire sign that this guy might have bought a more expensive imports without the safety features included in preve.Alo brother, have u seen an ACCIDENT before? ANY CAR IN THIS WORLD CANT SAVE PEOPLE FROM STUPIDITY. U drive over the speed limit, even a tank cant save u. Lets see if an aeroplane drop u in tank with a drop velocity of 160kmh to the ground, i want to see whether u can still survive the drop or not. Fact remains nobody can predict and guarantee safety of everyone during a crash, based on your logic, then even a flying tyres can kill u during a crash, so what now? Make sure the tyre wont fly off during the crash? Have u seen any car manufacturer did that? Better yet, have u seen a car manufacturer 100%guarantee their engine wont come out during a crash? None, zit, nada. U are expecting a car to magically prevent its parts from flying off in a high speed crash? Do u even know why it wont work? Have u studied physics before? Please la dont talk kok and spread your denial justification here, u make other non proton users look bad. This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jan 5 2014, 04:32 PM |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:34 PM
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uncle ar188 really focus on engine fly.
If you kena accident, which 1 come priority? you the driver n family friends inside car or the other people. Current technology have their limitation and it is up to the government to prioritize which come 1st, driver or other people. That is why ANCAP and Euro NCAP safety evaluation have difference preference. If i remembered correctly ANCAP focus on the driver safety aspect while Euro NCAP focus on the pedestrian. Safety feature is not considered priority to most of car buyer. They always depend on the government to set the regulations and they only think about the car price, design, fuel efficiency. So Proton export market only focus on developing country like SEA, Middle east, and Australia market. These area car volume is small compared to other continent like America, Euro n China market. Lets look how Hyundai and Kia manage to progress so much in these year, they targeted America market as cheap car and Japan car maker also entered to America and Euro market as cheap car. By the way, to market our car into their country we have to follow their regulation (which is Proton doing right now). Proton should have focus this 1st. Then in Car price and design aspect, these are the proton weakness. To make the car price more competitive, mass amount of same car can reduce the part price. But Malaysia is focusing too much in local market and the volume is very small. Thailand and South Africa otherwise they focusing on exporting the car to other company. Design aspect, maybe Proton engineer can make a very nice design car but didnt think about the manufacturing aspect. Maybe our local company is lacking technology to design as per requested by Proton due to technology and know how limitation. So these aspect must be overcome by both party to make the car design more marketable in global market. |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:49 PM
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   crash speed unkown |
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Jan 5 2014, 04:50 PM
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wtb preve w/engine fly edition.
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Jan 5 2014, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:26 PM) Ar188 is in denial mode, sure fire sign that this guy might have bought a more expensive imports without the safety features included in preve. Most people think NCAP/EUROCAP/ANCAP what CAP with 10 stars is indestructible....what they don't realized is all these test is based on only 60mph....around 8x km/h...Alo brother, have u seen an ACCIDENT before? ANY CAR IN THIS WORLD CANT SAVE PEOPLE FROM STUPIDITY. U drive over the speed limit, even a tank cant save u. Lets see if an aeroplane drop u in tank with a drop velocity of 160kmh to the ground, i want to see whether u can still survive the drop or not. Fact remains nobody can predict and guarantee safety of everyone during a crash, based on your logic, then even a flying tyres can kill u during a crash, so what now? Make sure the tyre wont fly off during the crash? Have u seen any car manufacturer did that? Better yet, have u seen a car manufacturer 100%guarantee their engine wont come out during a crash? None, zit, nada. U are expecting a car to magically prevent its parts from flying off in a high speed crash? Do u even know why it wont work? Have u studied physics before? Please la dont talk kok and spread your denial justification here, u make other non proton users look bad. Reason why they don't do test at higher speed? Because sure kantoi...waste money testing only!!! LOL. |
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Jan 5 2014, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 5 2014, 05:13 PM) Most people think NCAP/EUROCAP/ANCAP what CAP with 10 stars is indestructible....what they don't realized is all these test is based on only 60mph....around 8x km/h... Not really. What they do is simulate the amount of energy during impact. that is why the crash it into solid aluminium block .The car should be safe and performs like they did in the test only if they crash in to a car (including head on crash) with relatively the same size and UNDER Australia speed limit.Reason why they don't do test at higher speed? Because sure kantoi...waste money testing only!!! LOL. btw, this does not apply if you crash at a higher speed or crash with something bigger ie. Lorry as the amount of energy is greater than tested. |
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Jan 5 2014, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:26 PM) Ar188 is in denial mode, sure fire sign that this guy might have bought a more expensive imports without the safety features included in preve. eh.. i already said in earlier post, the preve safety cage is quite strong and intact ler.Alo brother, have u seen an ACCIDENT before? ANY CAR IN THIS WORLD CANT SAVE PEOPLE FROM STUPIDITY. U drive over the speed limit, even a tank cant save u. Lets see if an aeroplane drop u in tank with a drop velocity of 160kmh to the ground, i want to see whether u can still survive the drop or not. Fact remains nobody can predict and guarantee safety of everyone during a crash, based on your logic, then even a flying tyres can kill u during a crash, so what now? Make sure the tyre wont fly off during the crash? Have u seen any car manufacturer did that? Better yet, have u seen a car manufacturer 100%guarantee their engine wont come out during a crash? None, zit, nada. U are expecting a car to magically prevent its parts from flying off in a high speed crash? Do u even know why it wont work? Have u studied physics before? Please la dont talk kok and spread your denial justification here, u make other non proton users look bad. |
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Jan 5 2014, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(necrox77 @ Jan 5 2014, 04:34 PM) uncle ar188 really focus on engine fly. as i already mention, the cabin structure was built well cos it was found intact for the preve ... If you kena accident, which 1 come priority? you the driver n family friends inside car or the other people. Current technology have their limitation and it is up to the government to prioritize which come 1st, driver or other people. That is why ANCAP and Euro NCAP safety evaluation have difference preference. If i remembered correctly ANCAP focus on the driver safety aspect while Euro NCAP focus on the pedestrian. engine fly part, i was concern about other innocent "speed abiding driver" buta buta kena.. |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 05:53 PM) as i already mention, the cabin structure was built well cos it was found intact for the preve ... I'm not sure if it actually did flew off, its more like the engine fall after the car rolls several time.engine fly part, i was concern about other innocent "speed abiding driver" buta buta kena.. You should be more concern of flying/rolling cars instead... lol |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(MrssV @ Jan 5 2014, 06:11 PM) I'm not sure if it actually did flew off, its more like the engine fall after the car rolls several time. yes that would be the primary concern, but after narrowly swerving to avoid flying/rolling car.. you end up hitting the engine block.. You should be more concern of flying/rolling cars instead... lol |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:27 PM
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How about Honda?
 source: http://www.ohtidak.com/oh-kemalangan-maut-...eluar-10-meter/ Breakaway Engine Mounts are normal in modern cars. |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 06:15 PM) yes that would be the primary concern, but after narrowly swerving to avoid flying/rolling car.. you end up hitting the engine block.. HAHA, that would be by pure bad luck, or perhaps the reapers has been circling for week. And cant take it anymore, thus engine block to hell... campro somemore. lol |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Jan 5 2014, 10:58 AM) what magazine is this u dunno lyn femes leh? lelQUOTE(sanadi @ Jan 5 2014, 01:27 PM) How about Honda? vtec just kick in yo ~source: http://www.ohtidak.com/oh-kemalangan-maut-...eluar-10-meter/ Breakaway Engine Mounts are normal in modern cars. |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:36 PM
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So, here you go... The engine didnt flew off, but was left behind... U guys made my day...  |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(mockv1per @ Jan 5 2014, 06:36 PM) So, here you go... The engine didnt flew off, but was left behind... U guys made my day... |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 5 2014, 06:38 PM) Monyok muka akak tu wimminz driver jalan cantik, straight, rata, boleh eksiden? This post has been edited by kurangak: Jan 5 2014, 06:42 PM |
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Jan 5 2014, 06:56 PM
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Haiyoo....
Engine fly also become issue. Drive at high speed of course la everything also fly. Don't say engine...car also can fly into your car. It's an high speed accident, for God sake. Then someone have to make a rule so that when accident at any matter, car or any parts of crashed car must not fly to opposite lane and crash into other car....lol..! Plus, the accident car must not be on the road blocking other users as other user may crash into it too. The crashed car should be instantly teleport to the roadside. Duhhh....what kindda of mental perception is that... |
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Jan 5 2014, 07:43 PM
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if car damage like this can claim warranty get new car ah?
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Jan 5 2014, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 06:15 PM) yes that would be the primary concern, but after narrowly swerving to avoid flying/rolling car.. you end up hitting the engine block.. Been reading all your posts since the start of this thread.Wasn't sure what was your objective actually but allow me to state my point of views. - It is an accident anyway....even if the engine is not designed to eject in a flying "manner"... anything could just happen on the road.. Bak kata perpatah "Malang tidak berbau" - At the speed of 160kph, anything could really happen and there is no a fixed result or type of aftermath in the first place, not myself and even you were there witnessing the event taking place. - I strongly suggest that if you are so keen to know, to first get a clear answer from PROTON about this safety feature and perhaps writing an article like mengsuan had suggested so that all these feedbacks could be factored into the next technology upgrades. I would definitely be the first person to help sharing the article on all social media accounts I own to support for this to go through. I am sure all of us here are keen to help too... Cheers This post has been edited by davidlow7: Jan 5 2014, 08:02 PM |
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Jan 5 2014, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 5 2014, 07:43 PM) if car damage like this can claim warranty get new car ah? claim total loss lahcan get new car but afterward your insurance gg |
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Jan 5 2014, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 5 2014, 07:43 PM) if car damage like this can claim warranty get new car ah? Generally if the accident falls in the insurance coverage policy (e.g location, if this happens in Thailand.. chance is most insurance may not cover).. without any violation to the policy .. It should be covered.. I believe this case should be a "Total Loss" case. When approved, you should be reimbursed back with the current market value that the insurance company determines, subject to the maximum of sum insured. Correct me if i am wrong. This post has been edited by davidlow7: Jan 5 2014, 08:07 PM |
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Jan 5 2014, 08:06 PM
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tqtq...
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Jan 5 2014, 08:12 PM
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lancap 5 safety feature, engine pancut keluar so won';t kena driver n passenger.
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Jan 5 2014, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 5 2014, 08:43 PM) if car damage like this can claim warranty get new car ah? total loss indeed.total loss, get max covered claim based on market value, settle off bank debts, leftover buy new car (if got balance laa) |
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Jan 5 2014, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 5 2014, 07:41 PM) wimminz driver manusia der.. jalan cantik, straight, rata, boleh eksiden? |
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Jan 5 2014, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Jan 5 2014, 08:01 PM) Been reading all your posts since the start of this thread. so its very simple.. there is no such thing as engine detach feature.. its a high speed accident , and due to the nature of the accident, the engine flew out.. Wasn't sure what was your objective actually but allow me to state my point of views. - It is an accident anyway....even if the engine is not designed to eject in a flying "manner"... anything could just happen on the road.. Bak kata perpatah "Malang tidak berbau" - At the speed of 160kph, anything could really happen and there is no a fixed result or type of aftermath in the first place, not myself and even you were there witnessing the event taking place. - I strongly suggest that if you are so keen to know, to first get a clear answer from PROTON about this safety feature and perhaps writing an article like mengsuan had suggested so that all these feedbacks could be factored into the next technology upgrades. I would definitely be the first person to help sharing the article on all social media accounts I own to support for this to go through. I am sure all of us here are keen to help too... Cheers use logic la.. if manufacturer say this is a safety feature then there will be a lawsuit if that engine detaches and hits innocent people. |
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Jan 5 2014, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 08:29 PM) so its very simple.. there is no such thing as engine detach feature.. its a high speed accident , and due to the nature of the accident, the engine flew out.. http://www.subaruofkeene.com/subaru-boxer-engine.htmuse logic la.. if manufacturer say this is a safety feature then there will be a lawsuit if that engine detaches and hits innocent people. |
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Jan 5 2014, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 08:29 PM) so its very simple.. there is no such thing as engine detach feature.. its a high speed accident , and due to the nature of the accident, the engine flew out.. Lot of forumer has share link about engine detach featured on Subaru, Volvo, Mercedez, Ferrari and you still in denial? Because Proton does not mention it so the featured is not there? use logic la.. if manufacturer say this is a safety feature then there will be a lawsuit if that engine detaches and hits innocent people. Even if airbag kil people inside the car, you think people can easily sue the automaker? |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 08:29 PM) so its very simple.. there is no such thing as engine detach feature.. its a high speed accident , and due to the nature of the accident, the engine flew out.. What kind of logic to use when you have not got the entire things clarified and confirmed?use logic la.. if manufacturer say this is a safety feature then there will be a lawsuit if that engine detaches and hits innocent people. It's just pure assumptions and is it logical to use only assumptions to conclude things? Again what is the objective we want to achieve in our discussion? While I would like to tell you mine rather than going on with the discussion with no pure objective and each just trying to be a keyboard warrior. - To clarify if this feature exists in the said Proton Preve. - If yes, does the engine ejects and jump out when activated? - If yes, a compromise to other road users' safety and what would be the suggested improvement? |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 5 2014, 08:55 PM)  see clearly la.. slide under the chassis =/= drop out to the road la.. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 5 2014, 08:59 PM) Lot of forumer has share link about engine detach featured on Subaru, Volvo, Mercedez, Ferrari and you still in denial? Because Proton does not mention it so the featured is not there? Even if airbag kil people inside the car, you think people can easily sue the automaker? please know the difference between contained in the engine bay and drop out on to the road.. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:02 PM) please know the difference between contained in the engine bay and drop out on to the road.. It mean, the engine wont stay inside the engine bay any more. It will slide under ur car freely without dragging the car. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 5 2014, 09:06 PM) "the Subaru Boxer engine disconnects and slides underneath the vehicle" eh... see the blue diagram.. cannot see the engine dips down into the transmission tunnel?It mean, the engine wont stay inside the engine bay any more. It will slide under ur car freely without dragging the car. besides these are for 4x4 and RWD cars with transmission tunnel la.. FWD car with transverse mounting engine where got place for engine to dip down? |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:08 PM
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Here we go again.
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Jan 5 2014, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:07 PM) eh... see the blue diagram.. cannot see the engine dips down into the transmission tunnel? Did u realize there is arrow pointing downward on the engine? It let u know the direction on the engine in case of accident. The engine will slide like that to prevent it from colliding with the cabinbesides these are for 4x4 and RWD cars with transmission tunnel la.. FWD car with transverse mounting engine where got place for engine to dip down? |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 5 2014, 09:11 PM) Did u realize there is arrow pointing downward on the engine? It let u know the direction on the engine in case of accident. The engine will slide like that to prevent it from colliding with the cabin u do know the arrow shows the direction of the movement of the engine.. and the engine along with rear drive shaft is shown dip down right? in no way it shows the engine is dropped to the ground.. indicating it;s stilll physically restrained in the engine bay,,, |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:13 PM) u do know the arrow shows the direction of the movement of the engine.. and the engine along with rear drive shaft is shown dip down right? in no way it shows the engine is dropped to the ground.. indicating it;s stilll physically restrained in the engine bay,,, "disconnects and slides underneath the vehicle" Which part did u not understand? If the engine is build to stay there, it wont slide away and it wont disconnect. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:18 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 5 2014, 09:17 PM) "disconnects and slides underneath the vehicle" u know there is more than one engine mounting to hold the engine right?Which part did u not understand? If the engine is build to stay there, it wont slide away and it wont disconnect. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:13 PM) u do know the arrow shows the direction of the movement of the engine.. and the engine along with rear drive shaft is shown dip down right? in no way it shows the engine is dropped to the ground.. indicating it;s stilll physically restrained in the engine bay,,, I guess u dont really know what slide mean. so here is "slide"v. slid (sld), slid·ing, slides v.intr. 1. To move over a surface while maintaining smooth continuous contact. 2. To coast on a slippery surface, such as ice or snow. 3. To pass smoothly and quietly; glide: slid past the door without anyone noticing. 4. To go unattended or unacted upon: Let the matter slide. 5. To lose a secure footing or positioning; shift out of place; slip: slid on the ice and fell. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:20 PM) u know there is more than one engine mounting to hold the engine right? I give up. I respect ur determination. My hope is, u will read more and learn more and get a better teacher. May god bless you |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 5 2014, 09:20 PM) I guess u dont really know what slide mean. so here is "slide" v. slid (sld), slid·ing, slides v.intr. 1. To move over a surface while maintaining smooth continuous contact. 2. To coast on a slippery surface, such as ice or snow. 3. To pass smoothly and quietly; glide: slid past the door without anyone noticing. 4. To go unattended or unacted upon: Let the matter slide. 5. To lose a secure footing or positioning; shift out of place; slip: slid on the ice and fell.  this describes a sliding action as well.. in no way does it imply to slide means come loose from the engine bay |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:29 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 10:24 PM) this describes a sliding action as well.. in no way does it imply to slide means come loose from the engine bay |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:36 PM
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ahahaha, you guys still layan this ar188? I've proven many times in past tereds where he is wrong and yet still try to prove he's somehow right.
he's truly thick skinned and shallow thinker (rich guy syndrome). good think I stocked up some popcorn for today's movie nite... |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(ramboramsey @ Jan 5 2014, 09:34 PM) Where in the world got engine mounting like that? Pls accept defeat gracefully. Just because its a proton doesn't mean it cannot have good engineering. maybe can doubt the built to certain extend, but not engineering. Bro, this is revolutionary sliding drawer type engine mounting. The next big thing in auto industry. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(ramboramsey @ Jan 5 2014, 09:34 PM) Where in the world got engine mounting like that? Pls accept defeat gracefully. Just because its a proton doesn't mean it cannot have good engineering. maybe can doubt the built to certain extend, but not engineering. eh i didnt say that is the engine mounting la.. i was explaining sliding action doesnt mean engine fully detached from the car.. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:36 PM) Bro, this is revolutionary sliding drawer type engine mounting. The next big thing in auto industry. QUOTE I guess u dont really know what slide mean. so here is "slide" v. slid (sld), slid·ing, slides v.intr. 1. To move over a surface while maintaining smooth continuous contact. 2. To coast on a slippery surface, such as ice or snow. 3. To pass smoothly and quietly; glide: slid past the door without anyone noticing. 4. To go unattended or unacted upon: Let the matter slide. 5. To lose a secure footing or positioning; shift out of place; slip: slid on the ice and fell. i was answering this person's post la. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:38 PM
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lambo n ferari kalau eksiden putus dua jugak.. terbakar jugak.. porche langgar tiang kecik pon terbakar jugak...
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Jan 5 2014, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jan 5 2014, 09:36 PM) ahahaha, you guys still layan this ar188? I've proven many times in past tereds where he is wrong and yet still try to prove he's somehow right. come join.. he's truly thick skinned and shallow thinker (rich guy syndrome). good think I stocked up some popcorn for today's movie nite... |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:36 PM) eh i didnt say that is the engine mounting la.. it is just the after effect. ure such a pedantic.. i was explaining sliding action doesnt mean engine fully detached from the car.. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:40 PM
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For me....a boxer engine can use that feature (what ever they call it...slide/dropdown) since its piston move in horizontal in it's horizontal engine layout. For inline engine or v engine, would that be useful? Can it be easily slide under the car under frontal collision?
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Jan 5 2014, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jan 5 2014, 07:41 PM) "Engine lantai" is a safety feature created by Benz 30 years ago for the S class...and adopted by most manufacturer as standard now oi.. put your 2sen here la. BUT....In the case of Benz having special rails to keep the engine drop but still in the car....other manufacturer cut cost and just let the engine 'fly away' to incoming traffic or pedestrian....That Benz will Never Claim to that as a "safety feature" The driver just drove the car too fast too furious |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(No-One-Cares @ Jan 5 2014, 09:40 PM) For me....a boxer engine can use that feature (what ever they call it...slide/dropdown) since its piston move in horizontal in it's horizontal engine layout. For inline engine or v engine, would that be useful? Can it be easily slide under the car under frontal collision? they also need a transmission tunnel with gearbox and rear shaft to slide under.. i doubt FWD transverse mounted engines have that.. |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:44 PM
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[WTB] CFE engine
so that i can put on my boot and power my rear wheel i'll call my car DCFE double cfe yo |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(nefashu @ Jan 4 2014, 11:04 PM) If the engine stay with the car, the momentum from the engine will crash ur leg and end up in ur lap. it willl also change the the vector of your car and make it more uncontrollable Cabin intrusion and leg crushing @3:23 - 4:06. Seriously, did u take physic or this is just ur assumption? |
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Jan 5 2014, 09:57 PM
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Still not finished yet. KTARD KTARD.
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Jan 5 2014, 09:58 PM
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Fuuuu. Great to see proton thread can go this far
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Jan 5 2014, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:43 PM) they also need a transmission tunnel with gearbox and rear shaft to slide under.. i doubt FWD transverse mounted engines have that.. I couldn't say more since I am not Subaru engineer. By right, they must design something to the rear long drive shaft. May be shaft coupling that can break-loose upon frontal impact. Else, for confirmation, send a letter to Subaru for clarification. But i think their engineers also cannot confirm either the engine will still be intact to the car or not since in accident, condition may varies according to speed and the point of impact. |
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Jan 5 2014, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 09:41 PM) oi.. put your 2sen here la. OKlah..next I put 5sen since no more 1sen oledi |
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Jan 5 2014, 10:44 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 5 2014, 05:53 PM) as i already mention, the cabin structure was built well cos it was found intact for the preve ... sir, i really kenot tahan la read your stand on the fly engine. car manufacturer already do the math on the risk also la.. why u wanna argue? u think those master degree, phd holder in bmw ferrari volvo merc and all other premium brand so stupid ah design it that way.. have u ever heard those car manufacturer kena saman cos engine fly during accident and hit other people or car? or at least show us 1 article that against this technology. or i would suggest u sir to make a proposal on this matter. maybe u have a chance to win noble prize engine fly part, i was concern about other innocent "speed abiding driver" buta buta kena.. |
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Jan 5 2014, 10:48 PM
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still intact with that extreme force?
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Jan 5 2014, 11:01 PM
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Engine don't fly out laaaa... the car was in a Barrel Roll (Roll few times) the engine mounting collapse and the engine fall out and the car continue to roll... the engine weight 300KG (Assume it is all aluminium) else around 500KG... the engine will just simply drop... this is part of Crumple zone design... I don't dare to see if the engine don't drop off and end up in the passenger compartment...
on another side the A, B and C pillar is intact proven a 5 star ANCAP rating... and the door can be open (no passenger trap inside)... A lot of new car have this safety design where the Engine mounting will break away drop the engine during major accident... this is to prevent the engine (which is hard and do not crumple) in a way of the crumple zone... also a way to save driver and passenger from being crush by the engine... as I know All Conti car have, Honda car have this feature, not sure on kimci car... |
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Jan 5 2014, 11:08 PM
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24 pages, really? bangang jugak si ar188 ni.. nak ikut logic dia je, taknak kalah
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Jan 6 2014, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(mutt @ Jan 5 2014, 10:46 PM) sir, i really kenot tahan la read your stand on the fly engine. car manufacturer already do the math on the risk also la.. why u wanna argue? u think those master degree, phd holder in bmw ferrari volvo merc and all other premium brand so stupid ah design it that way.. have u ever heard those car manufacturer kena saman cos engine fly during accident and hit other people or car? or at least show us 1 article that against this technology. or i would suggest u sir to make a proposal on this matter. maybe u have a chance to win noble prize midnite.. surrender liao. This post has been edited by ar188: Jan 6 2014, 12:17 AM |
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Jan 6 2014, 12:15 AM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 6 2014, 12:13 AM) when does a preve has a transmission tunnel for the engine to crawl under? ar188 is a big n00b or what? u know preve is not a rear wheel drive or AWD car with driven rear wheels right? |
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Jan 6 2014, 12:15 AM
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QUOTE(nVidiaFX @ Jan 6 2014, 12:15 AM) ar188 is a big n00b or what? |
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Jan 6 2014, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(hf1418 @ Jan 5 2014, 11:08 PM) 24 pages, really? bangang jugak si ar188 ni.. nak ikut logic dia je, taknak kalah reach mid nite already.. can surrender now.. |
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Jan 6 2014, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE(hf1418 @ Jan 5 2014, 11:08 PM) 24 pages, really? bangang jugak si ar188 ni.. nak ikut logic dia je, taknak kalah dia mula-mula trollmemang semua percayalah lepas penerangan yang betul terus tebal muka keep trolling ar188 |
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Jan 6 2014, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jan 6 2014, 12:22 AM) dia mula-mula troll memang semua percayalah lepas penerangan yang betul terus tebal muka keep trolling ar188 |
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Jan 6 2014, 12:49 AM
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ar188 ran out of fuel liao?
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Jan 6 2014, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 6 2014, 12:49 AM) ar188 ran out of fuel liao? maybe should have expanded on your exploding engine technology to disperse the kinetic energy during collision.. |
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Jan 6 2014, 12:53 AM
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so conclusion apa? safety feature ke bukan?
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Jan 6 2014, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 6 2014, 12:51 AM) maybe should have expanded on your exploding engine technology to disperse the kinetic energy during collision.. |
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Jan 6 2014, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 6 2014, 12:53 AM) Probably not too late to invent your own theories to give things a new spin |
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Jan 6 2014, 01:03 AM
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ar188 69
nefashu 25 desmond2020 20 edison1437 13 Boy96 11 ichi_24 10 flyf 9 calvin_ng 9 CoffeeDude 9 danabu 8 dares 8 kurangak 7 azbro 7 MrssV 7 MsGaijin 6 ruffstuff 6 iconia17 6 IluvProton 6 peja5081 5 nuekkacak 4 fantasy1989 4 faridr 4 AxeFire 4 ruffaz 4 wwwmedia 4 jiobu 4 jAkUn 4 ALeUNe 4 davidlow7 3 hafizhans 3 vin_ann 3 razkal 3 11c 3 maprocks 3 r3m0t3 3 kob3bryant 3 No-One-Cares 3 NUR_VER.3 3 mengsuan 3 cubiclecarbonate 3 dothackRAVE 2 kadajawi 2 mushashi87 2 theboys 2 Daniel John 2 replymela 2 ramboramsey 2 SKY233 2 yakuza1_45 2 hdd-corrupted 2 Jack^ 2 kensh!!n 2 heavenly91 2 Matrix 2 Kendall 2 anangryorc 2 Burningsunz 2 MARTON 2 weyyt 2 Kinitos 2 ayanami_tard 2 alwinnng 2 Manlet 2 MildLO 2 :3mushy:3 2 munky 2 newmaster 2 mooney 1 project68 1 doppatroll 1 balgat 1 DigitalMop 1 MiseriGhost 1 noircharacter 1 crash123 1 Kenji_37 1 nVidiaFX 1 hambaallah 1 ribut thai 1 megahertz 1 andyng38 1 xin 1 Neo8663 1 joke404 1 fazil0610 1 dadurtyz 1 olman 1 darren486 1 pg84 1 Command Center 1 Avex 1 Gamer88 1 NINJIAO 1 max_cavalera 1 Pain4UrsinZ 1 rogrog 1 beauwlf 1 szaku89 1 sanadi 1 mashed-potato 1 luthansa 1 wanz_delpiero 1 Mido575 1 Gigabit 1 Noyoudontcare 1 maniack 1 Glockers 1 Cyndai 1 saladin7 1 ander7724 1 MasBoleh! 1 rcracer 1 Nebelung Valesti 1 roymustang 1 cloudstrife07 1 feekle 1 Boom Mortar 1 archonixm 1 ben3003 1 tupaiterbang 1 Mecha_frog 1 idunnolol 1 Witchblade 1 teehk_tee 1 mockv1per 1 fisherman10 1 zedyll 1 Bujal.x 1 hickups 1 edwardstevens 1 dantck 1 uzary 1 Volfeed 1 mutt 1 square7 1 furryfluffy 1 Flex 1 clouds 1 smokey 1 cangkui 1 shinra_co 1 Faidzal 1 MjMax15 1 HangPC2 1 kucingmainan 1 strikeuk 1 Nakaoji 1 haroldz123 1 acbc 1 mumeichan 1 Happy_Igneel 1 phunkydude 1 king of fighter 1 mrfuad87 1 shinkawa 1 Emanyshie 1 nazrul90 1 ada7914 1 necrox77 1 gestapo 1 Terence573 1 ADVAN 1 ksilver 1 zakinawi 1 BAlm 1 CliffrisonJr. 1 gnome 1 izutaisa 1 ahter 1 LTZ 1 punkLOL 1 lok3i 1 CopyX 1 hf1418 1 [+] 1 netmatrix 1 harriss 1 zamanjaafar 1 FidelisGVR 1 Bubble Ring 1 |
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Jan 6 2014, 01:05 AM
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2014 massive troll
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 6 2014, 01:03 AM) ar188 69 yes! im not in the top 10!nefashu 25 desmond2020 20 edison1437 13 Boy96 11 ichi_24 10 flyf 9 calvin_ng 9 CoffeeDude 9 danabu 8 dares 8 kurangak 7 azbro 7 MrssV 7 MsGaijin 6 ruffstuff 6 iconia17 6 IluvProton 6 peja5081 5 nuekkacak 4 fantasy1989 4 faridr 4 AxeFire 4 ruffaz 4 wwwmedia 4 jiobu 4 jAkUn 4 ALeUNe 4 davidlow7 3 hafizhans 3 vin_ann 3 razkal 3 11c 3 maprocks 3 r3m0t3 3 kob3bryant 3 No-One-Cares 3 NUR_VER.3 3 mengsuan 3 cubiclecarbonate 3 dothackRAVE 2 kadajawi 2 mushashi87 2 theboys 2 Daniel John 2 replymela 2 ramboramsey 2 SKY233 2 yakuza1_45 2 hdd-corrupted 2 Jack^ 2 kensh!!n 2 heavenly91 2 Matrix 2 Kendall 2 anangryorc 2 Burningsunz 2 MARTON 2 weyyt 2 Kinitos 2 ayanami_tard 2 alwinnng 2 Manlet 2 MildLO 2 :3mushy:3 2 munky 2 newmaster 2 mooney 1 project68 1 doppatroll 1 balgat 1 DigitalMop 1 MiseriGhost 1 noircharacter 1 crash123 1 Kenji_37 1 nVidiaFX 1 hambaallah 1 ribut thai 1 megahertz 1 andyng38 1 xin 1 Neo8663 1 joke404 1 fazil0610 1 dadurtyz 1 olman 1 darren486 1 pg84 1 Command Center 1 Avex 1 Gamer88 1 NINJIAO 1 max_cavalera 1 Pain4UrsinZ 1 rogrog 1 beauwlf 1 szaku89 1 sanadi 1 mashed-potato 1 luthansa 1 wanz_delpiero 1 Mido575 1 Gigabit 1 Noyoudontcare 1 maniack 1 Glockers 1 Cyndai 1 saladin7 1 ander7724 1 MasBoleh! 1 rcracer 1 Nebelung Valesti 1 roymustang 1 cloudstrife07 1 feekle 1 Boom Mortar 1 archonixm 1 ben3003 1 tupaiterbang 1 Mecha_frog 1 idunnolol 1 Witchblade 1 teehk_tee 1 mockv1per 1 fisherman10 1 zedyll 1 Bujal.x 1 hickups 1 edwardstevens 1 dantck 1 uzary 1 Volfeed 1 mutt 1 square7 1 furryfluffy 1 Flex 1 clouds 1 smokey 1 cangkui 1 shinra_co 1 Faidzal 1 MjMax15 1 HangPC2 1 kucingmainan 1 strikeuk 1 Nakaoji 1 haroldz123 1 acbc 1 mumeichan 1 Happy_Igneel 1 phunkydude 1 king of fighter 1 mrfuad87 1 shinkawa 1 Emanyshie 1 nazrul90 1 ada7914 1 necrox77 1 gestapo 1 Terence573 1 ADVAN 1 ksilver 1 zakinawi 1 BAlm 1 CliffrisonJr. 1 gnome 1 izutaisa 1 ahter 1 LTZ 1 punkLOL 1 lok3i 1 CopyX 1 hf1418 1 [+] 1 netmatrix 1 harriss 1 zamanjaafar 1 FidelisGVR 1 Bubble Ring 1 |
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 6 2014, 01:09 AM) yes! im not in the top 10! No.1 = No.2+No.3+No.4+No.5 |
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 6 2014, 01:10 AM) No.1 = No.2+No.3+No.4+No.5 |
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 4 2014, 08:02 PM) Vios has emergency take off feature to avoid collision hahahahahahhaha. |
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 6 2014, 01:03 AM) ar188 69 No. 2 Only? Next time must troll hardernefashu 25 desmond2020 20 edison1437 13 Boy96 11 ichi_24 10 flyf 9 calvin_ng 9 CoffeeDude 9 danabu 8 dares 8 kurangak 7 azbro 7 MrssV 7 MsGaijin 6 ruffstuff 6 iconia17 6 IluvProton 6 peja5081 5 nuekkacak 4 fantasy1989 4 faridr 4 AxeFire 4 ruffaz 4 wwwmedia 4 jiobu 4 jAkUn 4 ALeUNe 4 davidlow7 3 hafizhans 3 vin_ann 3 razkal 3 11c 3 maprocks 3 r3m0t3 3 kob3bryant 3 No-One-Cares 3 NUR_VER.3 3 mengsuan 3 cubiclecarbonate 3 dothackRAVE 2 kadajawi 2 mushashi87 2 theboys 2 Daniel John 2 replymela 2 ramboramsey 2 SKY233 2 yakuza1_45 2 hdd-corrupted 2 Jack^ 2 kensh!!n 2 heavenly91 2 Matrix 2 Kendall 2 anangryorc 2 Burningsunz 2 MARTON 2 weyyt 2 Kinitos 2 ayanami_tard 2 alwinnng 2 Manlet 2 MildLO 2 :3mushy:3 2 munky 2 newmaster 2 mooney 1 project68 1 doppatroll 1 balgat 1 DigitalMop 1 MiseriGhost 1 noircharacter 1 crash123 1 Kenji_37 1 nVidiaFX 1 hambaallah 1 ribut thai 1 megahertz 1 andyng38 1 xin 1 Neo8663 1 joke404 1 fazil0610 1 dadurtyz 1 olman 1 darren486 1 pg84 1 Command Center 1 Avex 1 Gamer88 1 NINJIAO 1 max_cavalera 1 Pain4UrsinZ 1 rogrog 1 beauwlf 1 szaku89 1 sanadi 1 mashed-potato 1 luthansa 1 wanz_delpiero 1 Mido575 1 Gigabit 1 Noyoudontcare 1 maniack 1 Glockers 1 Cyndai 1 saladin7 1 ander7724 1 MasBoleh! 1 rcracer 1 Nebelung Valesti 1 roymustang 1 cloudstrife07 1 feekle 1 Boom Mortar 1 archonixm 1 ben3003 1 tupaiterbang 1 Mecha_frog 1 idunnolol 1 Witchblade 1 teehk_tee 1 mockv1per 1 fisherman10 1 zedyll 1 Bujal.x 1 hickups 1 edwardstevens 1 dantck 1 uzary 1 Volfeed 1 mutt 1 square7 1 furryfluffy 1 Flex 1 clouds 1 smokey 1 cangkui 1 shinra_co 1 Faidzal 1 MjMax15 1 HangPC2 1 kucingmainan 1 strikeuk 1 Nakaoji 1 haroldz123 1 acbc 1 mumeichan 1 Happy_Igneel 1 phunkydude 1 king of fighter 1 mrfuad87 1 shinkawa 1 Emanyshie 1 nazrul90 1 ada7914 1 necrox77 1 gestapo 1 Terence573 1 ADVAN 1 ksilver 1 zakinawi 1 BAlm 1 CliffrisonJr. 1 gnome 1 izutaisa 1 ahter 1 LTZ 1 punkLOL 1 lok3i 1 CopyX 1 hf1418 1 [+] 1 netmatrix 1 harriss 1 zamanjaafar 1 FidelisGVR 1 Bubble Ring 1 |
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Jan 6 2014, 01:57 AM
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knn why i number 6 mah
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Jan 6 2014, 02:02 AM
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Mohon pencerahan isu ini munky
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Jan 6 2014, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Jan 5 2014, 09:55 PM) Cabin intrusion and leg crushing @3:23 - 4:06. Why they modify a Saga to look like a Vios and then crash test it? |
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Jan 6 2014, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 6 2014, 03:00 AM) Why they modify a Saga to look like a Vios and then crash test it? troll kuat ni..... |
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Jan 6 2014, 09:51 AM
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Jan 6 2014, 09:55 AM
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engine lantai hahahahahaha
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Jan 6 2014, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 6 2014, 03:00 AM) Why they modify a Saga to look like a Vios and then crash test it? duh.. obviously its a China made car that copy/clone a Vios. |
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Jan 6 2014, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 6 2014, 01:03 AM) ar188 69 should update it every page, make it longer :3nefashu 25 desmond2020 20 edison1437 13 Boy96 11 ichi_24 10 flyf 9 calvin_ng 9 CoffeeDude 9 danabu 8 dares 8 kurangak 7 azbro 7 MrssV 7 MsGaijin 6 ruffstuff 6 iconia17 6 IluvProton 6 peja5081 5 nuekkacak 4 fantasy1989 4 faridr 4 AxeFire 4 ruffaz 4 wwwmedia 4 jiobu 4 jAkUn 4 ALeUNe 4 davidlow7 3 hafizhans 3 vin_ann 3 razkal 3 11c 3 maprocks 3 r3m0t3 3 kob3bryant 3 No-One-Cares 3 NUR_VER.3 3 mengsuan 3 cubiclecarbonate 3 dothackRAVE 2 kadajawi 2 mushashi87 2 theboys 2 Daniel John 2 replymela 2 ramboramsey 2 SKY233 2 yakuza1_45 2 hdd-corrupted 2 Jack^ 2 kensh!!n 2 heavenly91 2 Matrix 2 Kendall 2 anangryorc 2 Burningsunz 2 MARTON 2 weyyt 2 Kinitos 2 ayanami_tard 2 alwinnng 2 Manlet 2 MildLO 2 :3mushy:3 2 munky 2 newmaster 2 mooney 1 project68 1 doppatroll 1 balgat 1 DigitalMop 1 MiseriGhost 1 noircharacter 1 crash123 1 Kenji_37 1 nVidiaFX 1 hambaallah 1 ribut thai 1 megahertz 1 andyng38 1 xin 1 Neo8663 1 joke404 1 fazil0610 1 dadurtyz 1 olman 1 darren486 1 pg84 1 Command Center 1 Avex 1 Gamer88 1 NINJIAO 1 max_cavalera 1 Pain4UrsinZ 1 rogrog 1 beauwlf 1 szaku89 1 sanadi 1 mashed-potato 1 luthansa 1 wanz_delpiero 1 Mido575 1 Gigabit 1 Noyoudontcare 1 maniack 1 Glockers 1 Cyndai 1 saladin7 1 ander7724 1 MasBoleh! 1 rcracer 1 Nebelung Valesti 1 roymustang 1 cloudstrife07 1 feekle 1 Boom Mortar 1 archonixm 1 ben3003 1 tupaiterbang 1 Mecha_frog 1 idunnolol 1 Witchblade 1 teehk_tee 1 mockv1per 1 fisherman10 1 zedyll 1 Bujal.x 1 hickups 1 edwardstevens 1 dantck 1 uzary 1 Volfeed 1 mutt 1 square7 1 furryfluffy 1 Flex 1 clouds 1 smokey 1 cangkui 1 shinra_co 1 Faidzal 1 MjMax15 1 HangPC2 1 kucingmainan 1 strikeuk 1 Nakaoji 1 haroldz123 1 acbc 1 mumeichan 1 Happy_Igneel 1 phunkydude 1 king of fighter 1 mrfuad87 1 shinkawa 1 Emanyshie 1 nazrul90 1 ada7914 1 necrox77 1 gestapo 1 Terence573 1 ADVAN 1 ksilver 1 zakinawi 1 BAlm 1 CliffrisonJr. 1 gnome 1 izutaisa 1 ahter 1 LTZ 1 punkLOL 1 lok3i 1 CopyX 1 hf1418 1 [+] 1 netmatrix 1 harriss 1 zamanjaafar 1 FidelisGVR 1 Bubble Ring 1 |
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Jan 6 2014, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Jan 6 2014, 01:03 AM) ar188 69 wow what sorcery is this?nefashu 25 desmond2020 20 edison1437 13 Boy96 11 ichi_24 10 flyf 9 calvin_ng 9 CoffeeDude 9 danabu 8 dares 8 kurangak 7 azbro 7 MrssV 7 MsGaijin 6 ruffstuff 6 iconia17 6 IluvProton 6 peja5081 5 nuekkacak 4 fantasy1989 4 faridr 4 AxeFire 4 ruffaz 4 wwwmedia 4 jiobu 4 jAkUn 4 ALeUNe 4 davidlow7 3 hafizhans 3 vin_ann 3 razkal 3 11c 3 maprocks 3 r3m0t3 3 kob3bryant 3 No-One-Cares 3 NUR_VER.3 3 mengsuan 3 cubiclecarbonate 3 dothackRAVE 2 kadajawi 2 mushashi87 2 theboys 2 Daniel John 2 replymela 2 ramboramsey 2 SKY233 2 yakuza1_45 2 hdd-corrupted 2 Jack^ 2 kensh!!n 2 heavenly91 2 Matrix 2 Kendall 2 anangryorc 2 Burningsunz 2 MARTON 2 weyyt 2 Kinitos 2 ayanami_tard 2 alwinnng 2 Manlet 2 MildLO 2 :3mushy:3 2 munky 2 newmaster 2 mooney 1 project68 1 doppatroll 1 balgat 1 DigitalMop 1 MiseriGhost 1 noircharacter 1 crash123 1 Kenji_37 1 nVidiaFX 1 hambaallah 1 ribut thai 1 megahertz 1 andyng38 1 xin 1 Neo8663 1 joke404 1 fazil0610 1 dadurtyz 1 olman 1 darren486 1 pg84 1 Command Center 1 Avex 1 Gamer88 1 NINJIAO 1 max_cavalera 1 Pain4UrsinZ 1 rogrog 1 beauwlf 1 szaku89 1 sanadi 1 mashed-potato 1 luthansa 1 wanz_delpiero 1 Mido575 1 Gigabit 1 Noyoudontcare 1 maniack 1 Glockers 1 Cyndai 1 saladin7 1 ander7724 1 MasBoleh! 1 rcracer 1 Nebelung Valesti 1 roymustang 1 cloudstrife07 1 feekle 1 Boom Mortar 1 archonixm 1 ben3003 1 tupaiterbang 1 Mecha_frog 1 idunnolol 1 Witchblade 1 teehk_tee 1 mockv1per 1 fisherman10 1 zedyll 1 Bujal.x 1 hickups 1 edwardstevens 1 dantck 1 uzary 1 Volfeed 1 mutt 1 square7 1 furryfluffy 1 Flex 1 clouds 1 smokey 1 cangkui 1 shinra_co 1 Faidzal 1 MjMax15 1 HangPC2 1 kucingmainan 1 strikeuk 1 Nakaoji 1 haroldz123 1 acbc 1 mumeichan 1 Happy_Igneel 1 phunkydude 1 king of fighter 1 mrfuad87 1 shinkawa 1 Emanyshie 1 nazrul90 1 ada7914 1 necrox77 1 gestapo 1 Terence573 1 ADVAN 1 ksilver 1 zakinawi 1 BAlm 1 CliffrisonJr. 1 gnome 1 izutaisa 1 ahter 1 LTZ 1 punkLOL 1 lok3i 1 CopyX 1 hf1418 1 [+] 1 netmatrix 1 harriss 1 zamanjaafar 1 FidelisGVR 1 Bubble Ring 1 |
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Jan 6 2014, 10:14 AM
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What happen to the driver?
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Jan 6 2014, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Jan 6 2014, 10:14 AM) What happen to the driver? QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 4 2014, 10:21 PM) That lady is the driver |
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Jan 6 2014, 10:40 AM
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