is the BE form for 2013 already available??
Income Tax Issues v3, Anything related to Personal Income Tax
Income Tax Issues v3, Anything related to Personal Income Tax
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Jan 18 2014, 09:55 PM
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is the BE form for 2013 already available??
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Jan 18 2014, 09:56 PM
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Jan 18 2014, 10:29 PM
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Hi all sifus,
Need some advice on rental income of property: 1. A condominium is registered under joint names of person A & person B; 2. The agent fees for introducing tenant can be deducted as expenses from the annual rental income, right? 3. Monthly maintenance fees paid to the JMB cannot be deducted from annual rental income, right? 4. Furniture + electrical items to furnished the condominium can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 5. Cukai pintu + Cukai tanah can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 6. Repair of hardware in the condominium during the rental tenure can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 7. If tenant run away and owners suffer losses such as unpaid bills, this can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 8. If by tenant request, owner did some renovation to upgrade the living conditions of the condominium such as replace old tiles with new tiles, replace old fans with new fans, these can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 9. Termite treatment during the rental period can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 10. For a landed property, if tenant request and owner has proceeded to install awning at car pouch during rental period, this can be deducted from rental income, right? 11. For a landed property (but not G&G), security fees paid by owner to the security services organized by the neighborhood, can be deducted from rental income, right? This post has been edited by XtraLeoGecko: Jan 18 2014, 10:29 PM |
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Jan 19 2014, 01:12 AM
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Jan 19 2014, 01:13 AM
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Jan 19 2014, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(XtraLeoGecko @ Jan 18 2014, 10:29 PM) Hi all sifus, So many wrongs, don't know where to begin. Need some advice on rental income of property: 1. A condominium is registered under joint names of person A & person B; 2. The agent fees for introducing tenant can be deducted as expenses from the annual rental income, right? 3. Monthly maintenance fees paid to the JMB cannot be deducted from annual rental income, right? 4. Furniture + electrical items to furnished the condominium can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 5. Cukai pintu + Cukai tanah can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 6. Repair of hardware in the condominium during the rental tenure can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 7. If tenant run away and owners suffer losses such as unpaid bills, this can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 8. If by tenant request, owner did some renovation to upgrade the living conditions of the condominium such as replace old tiles with new tiles, replace old fans with new fans, these can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 9. Termite treatment during the rental period can be deducted from annual rental income, right? 10. For a landed property, if tenant request and owner has proceeded to install awning at car pouch during rental period, this can be deducted from rental income, right? 11. For a landed property (but not G&G), security fees paid by owner to the security services organized by the neighborhood, can be deducted from rental income, right? Better do homework here http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/PR4_2011.pdf |
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Jan 19 2014, 07:31 PM
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Jan 19 2014, 07:47 PM
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Jan 19 2014, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(XtraLeoGecko @ Jan 18 2014, 10:29 PM) Hi all sifus, http://www.nst.com.my/red/which-expenses-t...income-1.199281Need some advice on rental income of property: 1. A condominium is registered under joint names of person A & person B; ............ ALLOWABLE: There is no ‘standard list’ of deductible expenses but there are common expenses that can be deducted The biggest grouse that a property owner has come tax submission season will be the amount of taxes that he has to pay on his property rental income. He will then naturally start to rummage through all the property expenses he had incurred to determine what is tax-deductible and what is not. In situations of doubt, I have known of property owners turning to other property owners asking, “Do you claim such-and-such expenses in your income tax return?“ Well, my sincere hope is that the person he is asking has a good understanding of the tax laws, otherwise it will be a case of the blind leading the blind and both will end up having to face unnecessary tax penalties when it comes to a tax audit. This article hopes to shed some light on how to determine the tax-deductibility of those expenses. I have often been asked if there is list of standard expenses that a taxpayer can deduct against the rental income from letting of his investment properties. Quite honestly, there is no ‘‘standard‘ list of allowable tax deductions as the expenses that a taxpayer incurs may be unique to his/her own situation. Therefore, the taxpayer will have to fall back on the letter of the law to determine if an expense is tax-deductible against rental income. Essentially, the law states that an expense wholly and exclusively incurred in the production of income under subsection 33(1) of the Income Tax Act (ITA) 1967 and which is not prohibited under subsection 39(1) of the ITA, is allowed as a deduction from rental income. What this means in laymen‘s terms is, any expenses that you incur for the year to generate the rental income would generally be tax-deductible. This also means that no private or personal expenses are allowable as a deduction. Common deductible expenses Aside from the ‘standard‘ list of tax-deductible expenses that a lot of property owners is asking for, what I can provide you here is a list of common expenses that generally may be claimed as a deduction against rental income: • Advertising for tenants • Assessment • Insurance (e.g. fire, burglary) • Interest on loan(s) to finance the purchase of the property being rented out • Legal expenses (renewal of tenancy agreement, recovery of rental arrears) • Maintenance/service charges • Pest control • Property agent fees/commission • Quit rent • Rental collection fee • Repairs and maintenance • Replacement of rental assets It is important to note that the expenses are deductible in the year they were incurred, even though you have not made any payment for them during the year. Having said that, do ensure that your obligations as a landlord towards the expenses which are to be borne by you, are clearly spelt out in the tenancy agreement to avoid any disputes by the Inland Revenue Board (IRB) against your claims for the said expenses. Non-allowable expenses Having touched on the tax-deductible expenses, it is also important to know what expenses are not allowable. Typically, initial expenses are not allowed to be deducted from income of letting of real property assessed under paragraph 4(a) or paragraph 4(d) of the ITA since those expenses are incurred to create a source of rental income and not incurred in the production of rental income. Examples of such expenses include: • Costs of obtaining the first tenant for the property, such as: ° Advertisement; ° Introducer’s commission; ° Legal fees incurred for the preparation of tenancy agreement; • Other expenses incurred prior to the property being rented out; or • Renovation and improvement costs. In the case of expenses incurred prior to the property being rented out, particularly relating to annual property expenses such as quit rent, assessment or insurance costs, then the proportion of the expenses in respect of the period before the property is rented out is not deductible and have to be adjusted accordingly. However, a distinction (although in many situations, a difficult one) has to be drawn between what expense is deemed to be ‘repairs and maintenance‘ (which is tax-deductible) and what is ‘renovation or improvement‘ (which is NOT tax-deductible). Typically, an expense is deemed to be ’repairs and maintenance‘ if it is incurred on ordinary repair to maintain or restore the real property in its existing state. It will not materially add to the property‘s value nor substantially prolong its useful life, but merely to keep it in good and efficient operating condition. In the case of ‘renovation or improvement‘, the reverse would then apply, i.e. the expense incurred would: • materially add to the property’s value; • substantially prolong its useful life; • adapt the property to a new or different use; or • enhance the property’s income-generating ability. What happens during the period when the property is not rented out? As explained above, expenses incurred prior to the property being first rented out, are not allowable in calculating the adjusted income from the letting of that property. However, if the property which was previously rented out is left temporarily unoccupied while you are looking for the next tenant, the expenses incurred during the period of non-occupancy will still qualify for deduction. This is on the condition that the property is being consistently kept in a tenantable state and is ready to be let out at any time. How long then, can a property be ‘temporarily‘ left vacant and yet the property expenses qualify for a tax deduction? The IRB’s Public Ruling 4/2011 further explains under what circumstances where the expenses incurred for the period the property is temporarily not rented out will be allowable. The circumstances are: • repair or renovation of the building; • absence of tenants for a period of two years after termination of tenancy; • legal injunction or other official sanction; or • other circumstances beyond the control of the person who lets out the real property. Under the above circumstances, the expenses for the period the property is not let out are allowable, provided that the property is maintained in good condition and is ready to be let out. Of course, having explained the concept of tax-deductibility of expenses against rental income, one must never forget or ignore the underlying basis for claiming for a tax deduction, i.e. the need to keep proper records and documentation relating to the claim for those expenses. When it comes to a tax audit, the IRB‘s basis of allowing you a tax deduction for the expenses claimed would all be about the availability of evidence. Read more: Which expenses to deduct from rental income? - RED - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/red/which-expenses-t...1#ixzz2qrDugMR1 |
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Jan 20 2014, 10:00 AM
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FYI
hybrid tablet/ultrabook's still unknown able to claim for tax relief or not. i've yet to get an answer for Microsoft Surface Pro, Sony Duo 13, etc. |
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Jan 20 2014, 10:46 AM
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IRB should categories based on the CPU used in the computer.
Mobile & Desktop CPU = Computer Others = Non-computer |
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Jan 20 2014, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jan 20 2014, 10:46 AM) IRB should categories based on the CPU used in the computer. you assuming they're smart Mobile & Desktop CPU = Computer Others = Non-computer but its quite true as form factor isn't always an indicator nowadays. e.g. Asus Transformer is a tablet with keyboard like the Microsoft Surface RT, while the Microsoft Surface Pro & Sony Duo 13 and other tablet/ultrabook hybrids are quite powerful computers with i5/i7 heart with SSD |
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Jan 20 2014, 11:48 AM
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Hi all, I want to ask I started working in May 2012. At that time my salary <RM 2.5. At 2013 my salary already >RM3K. So now what should I do ? declare the 2013 ? first time tax here.
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Jan 20 2014, 03:34 PM
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Hi All,
Just want to check have any 1 here able to deduct the amt from EA form under salary income? Eg EA state salary income is 100K. Then you only fill 90K in BE form? A few of my friend have do this, deduct 10K from EA as part of the expenses related to work(eg petrol/toll from home to office). and they also check and confirm with income tax officer on this matter, they no problem. Any ideas? |
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Jan 20 2014, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(wrb7878 @ Jan 20 2014, 03:34 PM) Hi All, Of course everyone will deduct, but there's specific categories and comes with proof. Petrol/toll can deduct if its allowances given by your company.Just want to check have any 1 here able to deduct the amt from EA form under salary income? Eg EA state salary income is 100K. Then you only fill 90K in BE form? A few of my friend have do this, deduct 10K from EA as part of the expenses related to work(eg petrol/toll from home to office). and they also check and confirm with income tax officer on this matter, they no problem. Any ideas? |
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Jan 20 2014, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Jan 20 2014, 04:55 PM) Of course everyone will deduct, but there's specific categories and comes with proof. Petrol/toll can deduct if its allowances given by your company. Yea i understand the company allowance. But he deduct because he need to spend own pocket of money to come to work..so i dont think this is allow rite? |
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Jan 20 2014, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(wrb7878 @ Jan 20 2014, 05:00 PM) Yea i understand the company allowance. To my understanding no.But he deduct because he need to spend own pocket of money to come to work..so i dont think this is allow rite? Most of us spend our own money to come to work, so if this is allowed sure we all want to claim. But cannot simply deduct, everything must be justified and according to various regulations. |
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Jan 20 2014, 11:18 PM
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Thanks KOHTT for the comprehensive info on taxes of rental income. Really appreciate!
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Jan 21 2014, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(jobok @ Jan 19 2014, 07:31 PM) 2 years ago, the criteria to judge whether a tablet can claim under the computer relief is whether the tablet can make phone calls. If it can then it is a phone, if it can't then it is a computer.iPad cannot make phone calls therefore it definitely qualified for computer relief. For now I am not sure whether this rule still applies |
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Jan 21 2014, 11:49 AM
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