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 Misconception on going overseas with matriculation

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post Dec 31 2013, 10:57 AM

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Ya, you can, but to a limited number of universities. Why bother to go for Matriculation if you wanna go oversea? No clue to go where initially? Go for STPM/A-Level.
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post Dec 31 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 31 2013, 08:23 AM)
the problem isn't the quality of the a level syllabus, but the way results are given....

the statistics will explain why the top unis do not bother with the actual a levels results for many years already...

results are given in banded grades....

an average of 28% of students get an a in any subject....and 18% get 3a.....

with such results, how is oxbridge, who only want to select the top 1-2% of students to decide someone applying with 3a is a real top 1% or just a mediocre top 28%?......hence they gave up on a levels, and conducted their own assessments via personal statements, interviews, and targeted testings....

3 years ago, the new grade of a* was introduced to help differentiate students.....but again, the bands are still large...8% gets a* on average for any subject, and 4% gets 3a*.....so again, oxbridge who want top 1% still cannot select based on just the a levels....

is it difficult to get 3a*?.....well.....not really.....4% of students get them...ie top 4% only....

back to matrik.....10% of students get 4.0.... smile.gif same problem.....and on top of that, the matrik syllabus is shallower than a levels.....

in summary, banded results assessment methods like a levels have too broad bands at the top, thus do not differentiate top students...and this poses a problem for top unis who only want to select the top 1-2 %....they are happier with alternatives that stratify the top better.....like aussie atar rank or ib......
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post Dec 31 2013, 01:56 PM

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If the PISA rankings is any indication of the future potential, we will see an influx of top students coming from China, Korea, Sg, Taiwan and Hongkong.

Once in a while, we will see someone making the grade from bolehland. We are also lacking in education counsellors in providing relevant guidance.
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post Dec 31 2013, 09:33 PM

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limeuu

You are absolutely correct. The distrust stems from the very reasons you listed here. It will be very interesting to see whether Gove's revamp of the A level is able to address this.
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post Dec 31 2013, 10:25 PM

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So, is this post saying that we can apply overseas with matrix?
Btw, can anyone tell me which is better: rolleyes.gif Form 6 (my choice), rolleyes.gif A-level, rolleyes.gif foundation
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post Dec 31 2013, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Karxl @ Dec 31 2013, 10:25 PM)
So, is this post saying that we can apply overseas with matrix?
Btw, can anyone tell me which is better: rolleyes.gif Form 6 (my choice), rolleyes.gif A-level, rolleyes.gif foundation
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Yes. To a selected few universities that is.

I'd say A levels of course if one has the financial muscle for it. Then again, I am biased. I did A levels. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Karxl @ Dec 31 2013, 10:25 PM)
So, is this post saying that we can apply overseas with matrix?
Btw, can anyone tell me which is better: rolleyes.gif Form 6 (my choice), rolleyes.gif A-level, rolleyes.gif foundation
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It depends on you and your personal circumstances really.

If one is academically strong and is seeking challenge, go for Form 6 or A level.Foundation no go.

If one can only 'afford' ipta, go for Form 6 .... at the risk of not getting the particular course or particular varsity one prefers.

If one aspires overseas studies eg in UK/Aussie , go for A level. Possibly Form 6 for non-competitive courses.No Foundation.

If one is not seeking 'academic challenge at Pre-U' and 'desperate' to do competitive courses like medicine/dentistry, pick an ipts offering Foundation that fits your bills.

Folks no flaming please ...... just general and 'crude' opinions. notworthy.gif

In the context of your preferred choice of doing Form 6 -

a )It saves you money and get to stay within same school/environment, but lacking exposure like A levels or Foundations students in social aspect.

b )If you are financially 'weak' and without scholarship, you would end up in 'the' ipta with 'the' course, hopefully of your choice.

c )If you can afford overseas studies , no harm doing Form 6 - provided not doing competitive courses like medicine/dentistry and to a certain extent Engineering ....

d )........ sweat.gif

This post has been edited by zeng: Jan 1 2014, 11:17 AM
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post Dec 31 2013, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(studyboy @ Dec 31 2013, 09:33 PM)
limeuu

You are absolutely correct. The distrust stems from the very reasons you listed here. It will be very interesting to see whether Gove's revamp of the A level is able to address this.
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It does seem to me lots of labour-ish lazy sods are very against the revamps. Hehe.
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post Jan 1 2014, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jan 1 2014, 12:27 AM)
It depends on you and your personal circumstances really.

If one is academically strong and is seeking challenge, go for Form 6 or A level.Foundation no go.

If one can only 'afford' ipta, go for Form 6 .... at the risk of not getting the particular course or particular varsity one prefers.

If one aspires overseas studies eg in UK/Aussie , go for A level. Possibly Form 6 for non-competitive courses.No Foundation.

If one is not seeking 'academic challenge at Pre-U' and 'desperate' to do competitive courses like medicine/dentistry, pick an ipts offering Foundation that fits your bills.

Folks no flaming please ...... just general and 'crude' opinions. notworthy.gif

In the context of your preferred choice of doing Form 6 -

a )It saves you money and get to stay within same school/environment, but lacking exposure like A levels or Foundations students in social aspect.

b )If you are financially 'weak' and without scholarship, you would end up in ipta, hopefully of your choice.

c )If you can afford overseas studies , no harm doing Form 6 - provided not doing competitive courses like medicine/dentistry and to a certain extent Engineering ....

d )........  sweat.gif
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Hi,
Is having STPM qualification face obstacles to enter competitive faculties ? Thought STPM same level with A Level ? thanks.
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post Jan 1 2014, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(piano_freak @ Dec 25 2013, 07:02 AM)
good uni wont give a damn on matriculation. surrey? southampton? lol? do these unis even exist?? r u sure u wanna pay 1 million to attend such school ?might as well go UM UKM to study....
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Somebody it seems simply cannot do simple research. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

1) University of Southampton:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/

- University of Southampton Malaysia Campus:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/my/

2) University of Surrey:
http://www.surrey.ac.uk/
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post Jan 1 2014, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Dec 31 2013, 11:41 PM)
It does seem to me lots of labour-ish lazy sods are very against the revamps. Hehe.
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Really? I read that quite a number of school heads are against it but I will take your word for it. tongue.gif
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post Jan 1 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Jan 1 2014, 08:46 AM)
Hi,
Is having STPM qualification face obstacles to enter competitive faculties ? Thought STPM same level with A Level ? thanks.
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It is the 'same' so no worries there. However, the general consensus is that it is much easier to score good grades for A levels than STPM.
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post Jan 1 2014, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Jan 1 2014, 08:46 AM)
Hi,
Is having STPM qualification face obstacles to enter competitive faculties ? Thought STPM same level with A Level ? thanks.
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In the eyes of the Admission Office of UK/Aussie universities,an 'A' in STPM and an 'A' in A level are the 'same' generally.

However, from the perspectives of students taking the two exams , the 'ease' of scoring 'A' are somehow not the 'same'. blush.gif

The link below from lifelyms , who had personally gone through the mills , is worthy of serious consideration ---

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3067000. cry.gif

If one is 'super' confident of achieving grades of 3 A's in STPM , satisfying the 3 A's requirements of UK/Aussie Admission

Office for competitive courses like medicine/dentistry , well I would say go for STPM ......and it's value for money.

Personally, I would like to 'bypass' STPM , but need a bit $$$ ... for A levels ...... if one can afford it. sweat.gif


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post Jan 1 2014, 09:09 PM

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Mind I ask...
In STPM, there is Math(T) and Further Math, blink.gif what is the difference between them and blink.gif what is the benefit of taking Further Math?
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post Jan 2 2014, 07:37 AM

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Thanks to studyboy and zeng for the insights.

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