Hey guys , I just finished my STPM few weeks ago , and I realize that most of the A-level students can do better than STPM students . They have a lot of past year papers to do and they actually score easily and better than STPM students ...which I think that it is really not worthy to study STPM(Form6) .(Okay ...A-level is just an example..lol, A-level students ,please don't fight for this ..lol)
STPM students have more thing to study and it is really hard to score well... Is STPM a grave digged by the government for Chinese students ? No offence (I'm talking about majority), I only know it is really hard for Chinese to get into matrikulasi ,and that is written clearly by Malaysia government .
Just my advice , if you are thinking of going to form 6 ( for SPM ) graduates , think TWICE.
I doesn't mean that you can't do well in STPM , it just need more passionate ...
I went through the whole process and it is really a tough process compare to others .
(Why I know? I have friends all around me taking all other Pre-U exam...)
Just my two cents , if you have any objection or question ,feel free to comment.

This post has been edited by lifelyms: Dec 15 2013, 11:18 PM

Well, I hope you dun harbour any regret now. It's over and move on with your life. I also went through such process n I must say STPM is really tough.

Whether A level is tougher than STPM or not, that I dun know but one thing I can be sure is A level need more money to study. So if one's family doesn't have the financial strength to pull it through, STPM seem to be the only option to go to local U even though we all know the chances of making it are slim.

STPM a grave for chinese students? i took STPM and im not even chinese.

To say A-levels student better than STPM students is highly misleading. Doing STPM has its advantages and disadvantages - kindly dig up old threads in this subforum.

i went to Facon Education fair today. I went to one of the IPTA (UPM) booth and there was a family and their son inquiring about admission to UPM undergraduate programs.

The moment they mentioned the son took A-levels, the UPM representative became disinterested in them and told them UPM doesnt accept A-Levels for Malaysians admission.

Many of my chinese classmates scored well in their STPM and got into IPTA. If you were unable to score well, you want to blame the system instead?

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Dec 15 2013, 10:40 PM

Lol , I don't mean I can't score well I'm STPM , I just mean that it is really a tough and not worthy path to go through STPM , if there is a better path ,why not consider it?
I went through those stress life and I know the system well. As for A-level , most of them won't even bother about local universities ,as they must know they are aiming for overseas when they step into private college for A-level...

Furthermore , I just saying the truth laa , no offense again lol... How many bumi u can see for those taking STPM in science subject... I can't say there is no one ...but ...count with your hand ,compare with those in matrikulasi...and see what government write in matrikulasi entry requirement... And also JPA ...(60% bumi...)

STPM and A-levels are apples and oranges, you can't really make a direct comparison between the 2.

If you are actually one of the best, it doesn't matter which one you do. Also, harder papers would be to your advantage.

The definition of "better" is very subjective.

This post has been edited by S_SienZ: Dec 15 2013, 10:51 PM

STPM --> IPTA.
A-Levels --> IPTS/overseas.

IMHO, don't do STPM. Especially now there are scholarships everywhere for A-levels.

Well. I just taking about the toughness of the path , not to say A-level is very easy , it also has it's own difficulty , I just hope the later won't be stepping the sharp stones when they have a tar road to swift through ?

What a politician-esque way of saying essentially "STPM is harder than A-level".

As I know , STPM can also go overseas ,lol ... But of course ,lower chances

Will you be so kind to substantiate your claim please?


Looks like everything is difficult to you

My uni (foreign) accepts STPM

Lol.. I'm not pointing on A-level ,please don't misleading

Of course STPM can go overseas. It's widely accepted all over the world.

Just saying doing A-levels would be an easier route? But then maybe not.

You used "sharp stones" as a metaphor for STPM and juxtaposed it next to A-level (or whatever alternative I guess) as "a tar road to swift through".

I'm not even sure that you know what your point is at this point.

Erm , please surf through the official JPA website , it is mention there , the 60 % is true , not my own words .
And for the difficult ? Lol...I must say the difficulty makes you grow , if you never face difficulty in your life , you never grows up.

Thanks for your explanation ,lol , you don't even need to translate it ... It is so clear...

Substantiate would be difficult. But then from observation? LoL. Anyway, this is how it goes, or so I heard (unverified claims), and also what I think.

Those top Bumi students will be offered a place in the supposedly top schools like sekolah menengah sains, MARA, etc early on. These students would then have a "better chance" at excelling in their studies, no? Also, top scorers will then be offered scholarships to further their studies upon completion of their secondary studies. The not-so-top scorers would then be offered a placing in the matriculation. I would figure the not-not-so-top scorers would then be the ones enrolling in STPM.

that is another misconception.

STPM -----> IPTA/IPTS/Overseas

I don't remember that there are no scholarships for STPM though.

You can apply for overseas, and then apply for JPA scholarship if you succeed getting into the U(not all if I'm not mistaken, there's a list ?)

a levels and stpm both came from the same exam in the past, and are similar...

the 'difficulty' of any course can be divided into content and grading aspects....

the content aspect is about the same for both....both have deeper content than any of the foundation/matriculation/matrik programmes...

it is the grading that shows up the difference....it is VERY difficult to score top grades in stpm.....and significantly easier in a levels.....

that puts stpm students at a disadvantage vis-a-vis a level students....your old classmate who used to get lower marks than you will likely get higher a levels grades than your stpm grades....

malays in science stream do not go to stpm because they have better/easier pathways to uni....ie matrik, the internal asasi/matriculation of each ipta, and diploma pathway....hence there are few around in stpm...

matrik is only open to malays, until about 8 years ago, when they allowed up to 10% of places be given to non malays....

the ipta internal matruculation/foundation are mostly NOT open to non malays, except for a few unis...

this has resulted in the segregation of msian students after form 5....into different pathways into unis....with different ease...

iptas do NOT accept a levels for malaysians...with the exception of usm....hence they loose interest when you mention a levels....

if you do stpm, be prepared to be given any course, except those you applied for....this is so common, as priority is given first to the ipta matriculation and matrik students....

these are the facts....

why dont you share your stpm result with us, instead of blaming the system?

You see, he's not blaming the system. This is what I called, a bit of advice...

why not, if the system is to be blamed?....

The system is already fked up since the day you were born. This is a life game. If you seriously want to win it, you'll need to be prepared with all the possible outcomes.. There's nothing we can do with the system, instead, we'll soon realized this fked system has grew us matured.

the best people can do is to be fully aware of the issues at hand, and make decisions with all the facts available.....

hence my post above, with all the facts as it stands currently.....

Poor people don't have much choice.
I went to through STPM, did local U and I am glad I saved a lot of money. No loan to service once I finished my studies.

No matter what you do, most important is the result.

Of course, you must also be aware of the background of each pathway. Do your research into each choice you make.

I beg to differ on your important matter. I think the progress of obtaining knowledge is more important than the result. Result doesn't make a person better.

Yup, progress does make a person better. Still knowledge is as a result also important.

Current generation y is really look on the result-oriented rather than progress-oriented.
Not like previous gen-x.

Let's say you want get from point A to B;
There are a lot of method, by car, walk, take bus etc.
Each has different excitement and enjoyment, and even different progress you have to go through.
At the end, we still want to know whether you really get to B from A.

Really good facts, and I think this system produce a lot of great students too.
Btw, I don't think anything wrong with the system.

People still can choose for A-level if really don't like STPM.
If both also don't like, then just go out to the society early.
For STPM, either you are "poor" or like to challenge yourselves may take it normally.

For matriculation, last time I also hope that I can get it too, but not so lucky.

Exactly The fact that they are being result-oriented is because of the environment especially parents and teachers. Result is important but giving up time for the sake of getting good result is totally not worth it as if we (students) are exam-robots. I don't blame them for being too realistic (is it?) on the pointers but they might miss a lot of fun I suppose. Not scoring straight A is called scoring badly. I don't know how do they get that kind of mindset Its a difficult (might be impossible) task in changing their mindset already.

Thanks for the long facts

Lol ,there is no point to show off STPM results here , in fact , I just want the SPM graduate to see what we had gone through for the new STPM system. So they can choose wisely for their pre-U study.

Ok, both results and the progress of obtaining knowledge are all important. But it is the results that still gets you into uni's. The best is to have both results and knowledge

Agreed.

By the way, I don't find form 6 that tough as what TS has mentioned.. or maybe that's because my batch's papers are much easier

The only paper I found it tough was Maths..

Perhaps it's because there are some smart people in my class who are willing to lend a hand when I have trouble understanding certain topics.

But, I don't know what will be my results like. I just hope to get at least >3.00 anyway.

This post has been edited by yellowpika: Dec 16 2013, 10:10 PM

Hmm , what I mean tough is... Tough to get A's

I believed I have stated earlier that STPM is widely accepted?

You're saying?

I think is about 80 marks for A IINM.
But, if you normally get A in routine tests and trial, should be not a deal at all.

Fittest survive.

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Dec 16 2013, 11:28 PM

So in your opinion, the ultimate aim of doing a pre-u is to get straight As eh..

In my opinion, doing STPM is a good alternative to A levels mainly because you can save around RM20-40k(depending on which college you go to).

I don't know about you but to me, those fees are considered expensive already as 20k is already around 1/2 of the price of one semester worth of fees in IPTS.

You still save a lot of money even if you do attend tuitions anyway..

Not to mention, I don't want to stress out myself for maintaining the scholarship if I were to do A levels anyway.

+1

I mean, I remember that there are scholarships for STPM (in fact, a lot).

Scholarships to do STPM? Isn't STPM being financed by the government? I know there are school fees and all that. But it's a nominal sum compared to the fees for A-levels.

Anyway, what I was trying to say was doing STPM is cheaper compared to doing A-levels. But with many scholarships available now to do A-levels, money shouldn't be too big an issue.

+1
Yup, totally true. STPM fee mostly financed by gov.
Heard that MUET also free after my year of STPM.
That's why there is a concept poor man study STPM.

Nay, MUET costs RM101 actually. Now I do wonder where did you heard of MUET being free

But also got those who wants to enter IPTA or still in a "limbo" and would like to have wider choices in the future (doubt A-levels is accepted into IPTA).

My time is about RM60. When I study upper 6, then lower 6 is free of charge by gov.
I think around 5-6 years ago. My cousin 1 year younger really free.
Maybe now, no money to sponsor already.

Edit: The fee is RM60.00. Starting from 2012, the MUET fee will be increased to RM100.00.
http://www.mpm.edu.my/en/muet1

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Dec 17 2013, 12:09 AM

Woah! Good for you then. Its just not my turn and will never be my turn. Oh well.

Haha... MUET rating BAND1-6 not that important.
My schoolmate last time got BAND 1. Still went to engineering.
MUET doesn't matter, but you need to take at least 1 time to enter Uni.

I really appreciate what given by gov too. At least let people to study Form6.
For some people, there is no other choices. Matrix not accept you, no money for A-level.
Then only have to try luck in Form 6.
If able to get good result, then may have chance for local Uni.
>90% fee sponsored by gov too.

People that don't have choice back then still very appreciate very chances given to them.

I actually mean that, STPM graduates can use their STPM results to register the scholarships when they enter university.

My apologies. Because you stated that there are scholarships for STPM, rather than for STPM graduates, I naturally assumed that.

Seriously? I had the assumption that to enter IPTA one requires at least a Band 3 or 4? If not, would need to re-take during your uni.

I took STPM and graduated from UPM. Never regret on my choice.
However if your family can afford, then you may just skip the STPM.

Very serious, bro.
There is no need to retake even in Uni, even retake how many times also same result.
Just take the English supplementary course in University for those BAND1-3.
Since, engineering lowest requirement for not taking supplementary course is BAND4.
Last time, I really think must have BAND3 to enter, but actually my friend able to enter with BAND1. Haha.

I see I see. But still need to take the additional English course. Hehe

I think STPM still is the best choice among all.
Most cost saving, for those people come with preparation, and well acknowledge by Uni.
If you dream high, then go for STPM.

Some people jealous with their ex-schoolmate that went to Matriculation and they get 4.00 cgpa, but you only get 3.xx cgpa although last time you are overall better than ex-schoolmate.
At the end, they go for medicine/pharmacy but you go for normal course.
Sure will feel emotional imbalance.

there two statements conflict each other....

if you really dream high, you should get into matrik/ipta foundation.....if you don't have money....and private education if you have......so your dreams can be achieved....

otherwise, you will aim high, do stpm, get mediocre results, and miss you aims, getting courses you didn't apply for and have never heard of before in itpa....and be severe disappointed....

I not able to enter Matrix in my case.
I dream high and I go for STPM coz STPM easy too to get to Uni.
Somehow, really don't understand if you dream high, then how you will get mediocre result. Just not make sense.
Coz you will try every method to success.

Human do things based on priority.
For instance,
1st scenario, If your hair long, then you will go to barber shop to cut it. You know the priority is cut hair.
2nd scenario, You playing games, watch tv then you tell us, no time go and cut the hair. So, priority to cut the hair is not there.

1st scenario people always get his target achieved, so not blaming system or other people like parents or friends.

if your 'aim high' is just to get into uni....any uni....and any course....then ignore what i wrote.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 17 2013, 05:31 PM

QS University Rankings: Malaysia 2013

For many years, top 5 ranking not change.

which uni you're from? and did you managed to get the course that you wanted?

USM Engineering...
Yup, get the course I wanted .. Maybe, Engineering not hard to get in since wide range of cgpa can enter..
You can get most of the engineering when cgpa around 3.5 to 4.0.
Then, fill all 8 choices with engineering then ok

Not like medicine or pharmacy, very hard to get.

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Dec 17 2013, 11:05 PM

I just completed STPM as well, anyone know the best route to go if I didn't do too well? I think I'm not gonna get 2.50, and I know there's not much option left but what's the most ideal, not too expensive path?

Inexpensive route will be applying for local uni.
Let's say, first attempt fail to get, you appeal for the 2nd try.
2nd time attempt is more easier to get local Uni.

I give example based on real situation happened before to my friend.
The course min requirement around 2.5, my friend 2.8 apply for the 1st attempt, fail.
Most of the students get the course around 3.0.
Then appeal for 2nd time, I think 2nd time only can fill 2 choices whereas 1st time can fill up to 8 choices.
After a month or 2, my friend get accepted to the Uni with the cgpa 2.8, where majority are 3.0.

Another alternative, you look for private college.
Another story for this
My cousin get <2.50 then she want to apply what she want..
Then after did get, she direct apply for UTAR.
She get accounting for that cgpa. =.=
She fails alot of times in exam, cost alot of money to re-sit.

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Dec 17 2013, 11:36 PM

I know IPTA min requirement is 2.5, but I estimate that I only get somewhere between 2.0 and 2.5, so IPTA is out of the question for now. Aside from IPTS, no more other choice is there?



What did she apply for?

This post has been edited by M1dN1ght: Dec 17 2013, 11:43 PM

My dictionary only got IPTA and IPTS.
You willing for the technical school?
You can re-sit the STPM. There are many cases like this.

edit: Do you think study further will guarantee your future?


This post has been edited by quovadis123: Dec 17 2013, 11:43 PM

I've already re-sit for STPM 1st and 2nd sem, but still don't think I'll get at least 2.5.

Tell me about the technical school?

Yeah I know what I want to study.

There you see ,many cases of STPM graduates end up with the courses they don't really want , right?

Great for you!


Other than IPTA, IPTS and overseas, I doubt there are any other options? Perhaps re-taking STPM? In your case, you should still try for IPTA. But perhaps go for those not-so-popular universities and less popular courses. Even if fail for the first, just make an appeal as suggested by quovadis123. The chances could be higher because there will be people who rejected the offer since the course is not to their liking or they have received better offer/scholarships elsewhere. Anyway, who knows. You might even do better than you thought. Also, the extra-curricular activities used to carry some weightage as well (6-7 years back). Not sure about now.

That's life. You don't always get what you want.

Sometimes it's not that bad. Things can still turn out good/great for you.

If STPM failed to get IPTA, you can appeal to UiTM,
I'm sure you know the syarat too.. Hopefully, you're agama Islam
http://mstar.com.my/cerita.asp?sec=mstar_b.../20130811165000

As I know now, there are a lot of Universiti minimum requirement only at pngk 2.0.
Top Malaysia Universiti minimum requirement at pngk 2.5.
Apply for local Universiti. Those last time Kolej Uni like UMP etc easily to get in >2.0.
The story about UMP, my friend at cgpa 3.5 take engineering there.. Others at 2.x cgpa only.
Apply then appeal and appeal until they ask you give up

Kolej Vokasional (technical) link
http://www.bptv.edu.my/v4/index.php/kolej-...ional-sm-teknik

The exam mostly have only 60 total marks, 40 goes to projects and assignments but I don't know how that works. What are examples of not so popular courses? I'm not aiming for medicine or engineering, so is it easier to get? How long does it take before you can apply for the 2nd time?

If I'm agama Islam I wouldn't be here asking for help

Those stories how long ago? I'll give it a try I guess.

And thanks for the help.

This post has been edited by M1dN1ght: Dec 18 2013, 12:04 AM

Few years back only, still the same for now, dun worry.
Still work until now.

For motivation purpose
http://fkee.ump.edu.my/index.php?option=co...w=article&id=98
You go on and click the STPM leavers.
This is latest 2013 d.

Still same ma

That's a good site ty ty.

Any similar site for other course?

This post has been edited by M1dN1ght: Dec 18 2013, 12:20 AM

Perhaps you may get higher score for your projects and assignments, which would push up your CGPA? What I meant was even though your CGPA is based on 4.0, they also take into account your extra-curricular activities. For example, your CGPA is slightly lower than your friend, but you're very active (school or state players, committee members of the society, etc) while he/she is just a member (not so active), you might be positioned ahead of your friend.

Can't remember the not so popular courses. I think you can sort of "know" when you see the list available. As for less popular uni, you can try UMS or UNIMAS. At least that was what we were told last time (lots of parents don't fancy the idea of their kids going so far away).

The duration to appeal should be available on the website when the results are out.

Cheers and all the best!

Many University still offer at this cgpa 2.0.
Unimap etc. Many more also offer good courses.

If you choose not so popular course, then in 1st try can get already.
During my time, alot of people apply for chemical engineering at cgpa 4.0 also can't get.
End up didn't get any University at the end or kena random.

If really get into University in the future, remember study harder.
At least cgpa 2.5 will be better since is called 2nd lower.
>3.0 is 2nd upper.
If lower than 2.5, ppl call it as 3rd class (no value).
Some university, first class honours at 3.5.

GLHF!

You are right. Choosing unpopular uni also is a very good option.
But, my friend that study in UMS said Sabah people really like go there 1.
Unpopular for East M'sia but popular for West.

He just need the art of choosing the course.
Must have good eye
STPM result not everything, you still have chances to get better course than those better result than yours.

I see, my extra-curricular is just average, not much advantage there

Thanks

Ty if I'm lucky enough to get it then I will definitely try to study harder lol. Btw you know any other similar site you show me earlier with different courses?

Yeah, me a case in point. Wanted to include UNIMAS in the selection since they offered the course which I wanted to do but was "blocked" by my parents.

Yup! And it depends on luck as well. Your CGPA might not be that good, but if you're lucky you can still make the cut while others don't. Could be a glitch in the system or just lucky!

You try read this site
http://afterschool.my/upu-application-avai...iploma-holders/
You need to search the website of the University to know the min requirements.
I only able to provide you the list here

Go for STPM la bro, you can enter degree at private unis such as MMU, UTAR, etc with only 2 or 3 Cs.

How about 4C's? Still able to get to private Uni?
Money matters?

4Cs is better than 2Cs la... You get a 2.0 in foundation might be equivalent to 2Cs for STPM. So STPM is the best choice since you might get lucky to enter government uni

STPM is the only route for many SPM grads who can't secure a place via matriculation as alternative of pre-U levels.

Furthermore, STPM by chance, is still highly regarded by many parents & students as the topmost one way point to IPTA / IPTS without having parents to cough up more than RM4000 - 20K for a pre-U courses the likes of Foundation programmes or A-Levels.

hey guys! I have some questions here.

I'm taking English Literature and Chinese for STPM but I don't think there are schools that offer both these subjects in one class. Then I received a suggestion to take as private candidate.

What are the differences between school and private candidate?

This post has been edited by MachoJello: Jan 7 2014, 07:28 PM

nope wrong. I applied through UCAS based on my STPM 2013 predicted results and I got 5 conditional offers. SO NO, its not low chance.

I took EL last year. I'm from a public school, though I took the subject alone and automatically become a semi-private student.

Which uni's?