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post Aug 4 2014, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(gunplakk @ Jul 31 2014, 07:19 AM)
the 2013 has a bit more power and a few little extra gimmicks in side. and you get the s+ feature which allows you to "boost" the car for a short while with all the power from the electric motor. its not a turbo but you get a little kick. choosing between the 2013 vs pre facelift, i would go for the FL version.

VW, personally, from all the horror stories on both the gear box and especially the Service centers... i would say away from anything "Very Worrisome".

I have an FL CVT, 1.5yrs old.... drives great, no issues. no regrets getting the car but it could do with another 10-15hp or so for the midrange. the car goes from Zero to 50-60KMH very quickly, but after that, the rate of acceleration starts to taper. its still quick to 100KMH but lacks the omphhh of a FD2 in the midrange.
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post Aug 6 2014, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Aug 5 2014, 11:43 AM)
For compatibility, you may need to cut into one of the flange of either the JS Racing pipe, or the original pipe, and weld the correct flange in order to fit JS Racing and the ori pipes together, as I don't think the flange will fit with each other. I can't confirm as I have not used JS Racing stuff before unfortunately.
As for power, you may make some power since you have removed the cat converter in both section 1 & 2, but note that your exhaust gasses may be restricted by the smaller sized ori pipes at the back sections. I do not know what is the impact of that to the overall power of the car, but you may make some power. Why don't you go full JS Racing?
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as for me my upgrade was the takeda intake and deleting the cat...power gain at the midrange...now its so easy to get to 180kmh if to compare to stock condition.

if i only delete the cat....retain the stock intake...power gain not so much noticeable. but if u change the air intake...power gains can feel from 3000 rpm until rev cut....now much more fun to drive.

its alot more power when u off the aircon...(1.5 engine with aircon on will kill the performance).

so this morning i overtook mitsubishi lancer 2.0 at hill at 179kmh...in fifth gear with s+ on....earlier on the lancer overtook me at 183kmh in 6th gear....then coming to a hill, i dropped gear to 5th, on the s+ overtook with ease....maybe the lancer didn't expect that.... thumbup.gif

my opinion if to change 1 set of exhaust system is ok...but need to tune the ecu...if not maybe u will be wasting fuel...as the AFR is not set properly...and if set less restriction in exhaust....air intake need to suck more air.

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post Aug 6 2014, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(jceh83 @ Aug 6 2014, 02:18 PM)
what engine oil do you use?

I do not fully comprehend the scenario as I wasn't present but to need S+ to overtake a lancer is something I do not understand unless the lancer has been modded a lil' here and there too..

our car kinda eat lancer 2.0 and FD 2.0 for breakfast, lunch and dinner..well by my experience using sports mode only as I do not have S+..
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engine oil petro canada semi

yes the lancer was modified. im not sure its a lancer or evo 10. (it was dark)

s+ button gives u an instant electric motor power deliver to flywheel....i drop 5th gear and press s+ to get a faster acceleration (but hybrid battery will deplete much faster)...to overtake at hill will need more power...

the story here is that to compare my stock power and modded power. if stock i wouldn't have a chance to overtake a running car speed 170kmh at hill...

with this setup i achieve hway 17.6 km/l, city 16.4 km/l combine 16.8 km/l

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post Aug 8 2014, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Aug 7 2014, 03:02 PM)
thanks for the input guys

@ ilyas, which specific recaros are you looking at?

@nitrous, those replicas hks, how much does it cost? I need the power, minus the sound in the cabin, so most likely need to do noise insulation, but by doing insulation car weight would increase... sigh...

@civic, im surprised u can achieve tat mileage, im getting lower day by day, are you using 97?
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nope. ron 95 BHP petrol only...if other type of petrol will get diff FC. 2nd. always monitor your FC. 3rd. skill of driving.

there you have it my secret. 1st & 2nd you can follow but i bet the 3rd you need some time to master.

for rx330 case,

u need to check why ur FC like that...so u need to turn back and remember what u have done to the car either u have add or delete something from your car. or maybe ur engine oil is already time to service. coz that happened to me. FC getting worst day by day even you drive conservatively...

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post Aug 8 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Aug 8 2014, 09:42 AM)
im running on esso 97, i think currently its about 13.8km/l on normal mode mostly

i bought the car used, from my understanding, i believe the car is still fully stock, servicing was just done when i bought the car at ard 13k mileage, whereas the prior service was done ard 11k mileage
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mine already 20k km mileage...run on 97 should be ok...my secret i ran on sport mode all the time....never in eco or normal mode. coz if im on eco or normal will get less FC...coz my car not stock so those 2 modes are useless for me...

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post Aug 8 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Aug 8 2014, 02:56 PM)
hahah, like tat one ka
wait a minute , urs is manual is it?

it it possible to be on full time sports mode, or we need to select it everytime we start the car
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yup...mine is manual...every morning i let the car on normal mode after engine fully warm up i on the sport mode...but to me its not a problem to press a button. its reachable and its not a hassle....

as we know when at higher gear car consume less fuel...so the goal is to reach 60kmh as fast as you could...but of course dont over rev it....then glide the car....thats the secret...

skill need time to develop but try this it will definitely work. coz rm50 can reach as far as 480km. less traffic jam reach 500km.

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post Aug 11 2014, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(be7a @ Aug 11 2014, 09:51 AM)
IINM there is 2 cats on the Z? are there any emission sensors located at the cat area? if you de-cat, does the emission warning come on?

i would decat but not at the expense of an annoying check engine emission warning on the screen hmm.gif
lol there's no way anything short of a mugen super/turbo crz can ever touch an evo. even then it would be difficult.
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yup..thats true..if an evo sure simply pass me back...so definitely an lancer modified... the car from behind really looks like an evo...the wide tyres...coz not many would dare to use that wide tyres for normal lancer...

anyway cant wait to supercharge the car...but speaking of that why i see many crz superchargers are sold already?coz it has terrible FC or the supercharge was not that fast?????
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post Aug 11 2014, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Naka7a @ Aug 11 2014, 03:01 PM)
fc will never be their concern. I'm sure
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thats true..maybe they sell the car coz not much power can be extracted from the hybrid system...but if a car that has power of 200bhp and fc combine of 17km/l thats enough for me...

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post Aug 12 2014, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Aug 12 2014, 10:23 AM)
if nitrous willing to share, half a day i also willing to take time to understand biggrin.gif
if na setup can gain another 20 more horse for me, im also ok, then no need go for supercharge in the future

SR4 many fakes nowadays? Safe bet why dont you get those used recaros from lets say DC 5? and get the rails for crz
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please share with us here...20hp thats a big gain...supercharging for me will take ages to get enough money...so if could generously share with us the recipe we will really appreciate it....but if got dyno result would be even better...

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or maybe want to do dyno competition....anybody? to those that already upgrade their CRZ (engine of course) why not we all come down to sunway to take dyno runs. who wins kena belanja....hehehehehhe...

this way much more fun considering there are accurate data that can be discussed or share to others...

lets us show the world what CRZ true potential...

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post Aug 12 2014, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Aug 12 2014, 11:04 AM)
i remember reading here before, to increase NA hp is much more expensive than charging
every one horse tambah is about rm 1k
so technically plus 20 hp, = rm 20k, of cos NA u can part by part, so not so ex
charging with everything in, maybe about 12-15k, at least also 40 hp more  brows.gif
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post Aug 15 2014, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(knine @ Aug 15 2014, 12:58 PM)
a mechanic friend of mine did recommend an ECU reflash (RM2k), local stainless steel full system exhaust (RM2k) and drop in air filter if I wanted a better mid range n top end without too much tinkering with the engine and electronics.
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just buy takeda rm1600 and delete the cat rm550 u can improve ur midrange...total just rm2.2k. if got more money then tune the car. .

to upgrade crz need to sacrifice some money...

try this setup and feel the difference...u press the pedal and the car goes...even in 5th gear. (manual tranny)

need to upgrade intake and exhaust then you get some result...intake alone not much different..

if u upgrade full exhaust need to tune the AFR meaning set the ecu back...

my setup can still get good FC.

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post Aug 18 2014, 07:32 AM

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[quote=ahfox,Aug 17 2014, 07:47 AM]
wat 550!! for cat delete??
n 2k for ss exhaust sys??
waaaaa,,why so expensive?
before i onli paid RM90 for cat delete on impreza,
n for full sys from downpipe to tip,
only take 7-900 for ss,
n 1500 for titanium.
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really that cheap?what can i say. the shop is in sunway...hope the downpipe last for 9 years!
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post Aug 19 2014, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Aug 16 2014, 11:14 AM)
is this takeda really worth it? im thinking of just getting a drop in filter, all these while, my cars all have been using drop in replacement filter

cat delete only 550 ar? local brand ka?
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yup local brand. really expensive but they fabricate the pipe themselves.
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post Aug 20 2014, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(AveoHzq @ Aug 19 2014, 06:10 PM)
I think for our cars its better to go specialists shop that are familiar with our cars. Like Avantgarde and JC. They've done lots of crz and that just gives us a peace of mind. Thats just my opinion notworthy.gif
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wow...looking at advangarde FB so many CRZ....so many activity going on there....and its near to my dad's house?????

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post Sep 3 2014, 09:36 AM

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damn! this morning satria neo overtake me at hill at 189kmh.....satria neo that fast????? couldn't get this over my mind...its haunting me....aaaaaargh....could the satria supercharged? or with hi cams? turbo surely not coz no sound of blow off..

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post Sep 3 2014, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(Omnipotent @ Sep 3 2014, 10:15 AM)
was he behind you all the time? could be taking advantage of draft and overtake when you run out of batt juice
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nope....

i left him 3 poles...that time speed was 170kmh...then the satria approach me very2 fast. i press pedal more and he overtake me speed at 189kmh....how can that be? his engine revs not high like he has hi cams....i suspect his car has supercharged coz satria are prone to supercharged....like proreka....

damn! really spoil my day....std satria neo can easily overtaken...but still it hurts me.


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post Sep 3 2014, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(jceh83 @ Sep 3 2014, 10:38 AM)
actually...satria neo was never really a slow car.. 1.6 comes with 110bhp and 148Nm torque..it also can b considered "light" and with some minor mods..this car is pretty zippy...

http://paultan.org/2006/06/16/proton-satri...nd-16-in-depth/

well either that or the fella squeezing the shit out of his car to overtake you..
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but the way he approach me definitely not NA...coz he was left behind 3 poles...i was speeding to reach 190kmh...but still he can overtake me? im pressing like 90% already...

his speed at that time surely 19Xkmh to overtake me...

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post Sep 3 2014, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Sep 3 2014, 01:31 PM)
Time to Supercharge your car?  laugh.gif
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ooooo man....need rm12,000.....thats 1 thing...if go for sprintex add only 40hp...but safer for the hybrid system...if go for turbo add 70hp will damage your hybrid system....so whats the point here...

so conclusion want more power will harm the hybrid...if opt for lower output cost like hell.... rclxub.gif



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post Sep 4 2014, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Sep 4 2014, 09:27 AM)
Buy and pasang, and then make us proud ... nod.gif  laugh.gif Make sure got video...
Frankly, I would still go for Rotrex SC rather than turbo or Sprintex. Major engineering and tuning companies like HKS, HPD and Jackson are using the same design, thus the design should be pretty sound/solid and should be good in terms of parts availability. 50-70 ponies should not be a problem to obtain....
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i heard from mechanic(he also has a crz) rotrex SC did get 180hp...but then everytime top speed warning light for hybrid came up. he said that this will shorten lifespan of the battery...he also said sprintex SC only add up 20-30 hp but then battery hybrid is unharmed...

not sure of this...guys what do u think? anyone has suoercharged their CRZ?

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post Sep 4 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Sep 4 2014, 01:37 PM)
Long post below on my opinion...

Personally, I do not think it will shorten the lifespan of the IMA battery, both engines and IMA battery are not directly linked and both discharge/charge is controlled by the IMA ECU. This is not your standard 12V battery that we are talking about, which is charged by the alternator powered by the crank pulley. IMA ECU will cut off charging of that battery when a certain limit is reached. The IMA will also protect the discharging of the battery if your speed or RPM is too high, even on stock cars the IMA will do it (you will notice that battery does not assist at high rpm). If the battery gets too hot (happened in mine a few times), the IMA will also retard battery assist, causing your car to lose power.
By the way, what is top speed warning light? As far as I know, there are no speed warning or cuts for our CRZ (you'd notice some folks did in excess of 200kmh on the streets), thus not sure what your mechanic meant by that. However, I do know that there is a speed sensor inside the gearbox itself, which measures the velocity of the gearshafts to allow appropriate charging of the IMA battery. As far as I know, if you change your final drive, it can cause the velocity measurements inside your gearbox to go abit wonky, and IMA charging to go a bit nuts. Is this what he meant? You should be safe provided you leave your final drive alone, it only affect your car if you have changed the final drive or some LSDs.

If in doubt, try asking Avantgarde... they have done tons of SC CRZ.... a most recent SC monster just rolled out of the garage recently.  laugh.gif
Yes, provided the kit has been taken care during installation and dismantling. Superchargers have extremely tight tolerance, hence their high price, but they are usually manufactured using good quality materials to withstand abuse such as heat and knocks.
But I still won't take up sprintex kits, I trust HKS with their design and engineering... so will stick back to centrifugal design kits, just my personal taste (worried about heat issue on engine).
Yes they do. They use Rotrex superchargers, comes with intercooler and stainless steel piping (custom fabricate), and Hondata to control everything. Think they still use Synapse bypass valve too.... As usual, they use only Torco oils for their cars. Call them for more details... if you need their number, PM me...

All the best guys!
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the mechanic mention IMA warning light on when reach max speed. he didn't mention what speed...

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