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halcyon27
post Oct 14 2014, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 14 2014, 01:42 PM)
KL and PJ are surrounded by buildings.
While in Seremban still surrounded by trees.
2 different cases, so your logic still fails sweat.gif
And the amount of waste gas also play a part.
That's why I won't getting rm2000-3000 extra a month but losing out my health and morale.
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Bro, both points are valid. I also mentioned that part as well earlier. Not just for Seramban, there's also Taiping and some part of Ipoh and Kuala Kubu Baru too as well as many other parts of country like it. It depends on where the location is. Some need it, some don't.
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post Oct 15 2014, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 15 2014, 12:43 PM)
Even the new triangle isnt that good? Hmm already order so no choice,  try it first
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Which model? I saw in brochure that the deluxe inverter is said to be rated at 431W only. The same range for 1.5hp about 705W. Up from that is the premium one with wifi which runs at 405W and 530W for 1.0/1.5hp. From what I was told, it needs 4 core wires - at least that's for the inverters. Samsung support is non-friendly. Only a community of installers with tribal knowledge (by experience and prior training) knows this first hand according to my installer.
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post Oct 15 2014, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(kerbau @ Oct 15 2014, 02:12 PM)
Most of the time at Harvey Norman IPC and Setia A they fond of recommending Samsung first.
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Their inverter price cheaper than most except Sharp. However, from their installation manual they need more breathing space than most other Jap made ones. That justifies the comments that most made that the Jap ones lasts longer.
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post Oct 15 2014, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 15 2014, 03:29 PM)
MHI and daikin which one more reliable and colder?
In forum now many said daikin not reliable and compressor leakage after 1 yr.
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That's because either: installation issue near fairing or pipe defect or pipe quality issue. Either way, both Daikin and MHI can pump 10-20m max vertically depending on HP. Take an educated guess which will fail first. Normally those cheap China copper. I had a fair share of that myself until SG friend educated me on AC piping. Hence I go with Inaba Denko or Smartco Paircoil. Ironically the older AC pipes from early 1990s are much tougher and durable by today's standards that are quite durable even for R410a inverters but don't take my word for it.
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post Oct 15 2014, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(0812454 @ Oct 15 2014, 03:43 PM)
If i only want to focus cooling the dining (as kitchen i will use fan), is there any difference (i.e cooling effect) between:
1. placing AC on one side where it faces the kitchen, or
2. placing on the longest (25 ft) wall but nearest to dining?
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Got, the spread of air circulation emphasis is different. I don't know which one is widest or narrowest side but consider this:
On narrowest wall facing widest side , LR circulation not much as UD.
On widest wall facing narrow, LR emphasis depends on cooling zone. Long rectangular table may need more LR or fixed focus L and R. Circular table not as bad.

Then again, the other factor that will influence placement is the length of the run for embedded piping and drainage which implies the amount of hacking needed.
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QUOTE(0812454 @ Oct 15 2014, 04:38 PM)
Sorry but what are LR and UD? smile.gif
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post Oct 15 2014, 04:53 PM

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One thing most of us don't realize the danger of prolonged cooling at very low temperature is the dehumidification rate. 2HP some can be as much as 1.5 to 2liter per hour. Tell tale sign if don't drink enough water is very easily get sore throat or throat irritation.

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 15 2014, 04:54 PM)
When I was in the first 2 months in Qatar, I got flu twice because of setting the temperature lower. Since it is paid by my company doh.gif
The electric bill about rm1500(after converted) since 4 of us always turn the air cond on 24/7 and  set at 18-20°C, is very nice indeed, but really not good to health.
So I just stick to the basic type air cond and set higher, use shorter period.
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Agree with the first part. That's how I got asthma. And that's how I learnt from some doctors about aircond and dehydration. More pronounced if it's pregnant woman in first trimester. Serious morning sickness (aka pregnancy induced dehydration).
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 15 2014, 05:05 PM)
Low wattage ma..but faster cold is best. Heard MHI 25 degrees srk cm 03 already like ice cold sensation. So save money ma
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Either they have more advanced and configurable circulation features or more powerful cooling rate. The key is to spot cool where the users are or to surround the area around them to let them perceive that it's cooler. The 1hp already has 3D swing of 8 possible configurations.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 15 2014, 05:30 PM)
When our lung are subjected to cold and no water, it will generate flame and later cough doh.gif
Warranty how long?
No such thing of cool faster, lots of factor to be considered about on "Fast". Like my living hall using a 2HP air cond, sit near to it really fast, but not for others. My room also the same, now less sun shine in the afternoon, so cooling down takes lesser time. Earlier of the year it take longer.
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Ya, the phlegm helps slow down rate of dehydration but it narrows the passageway hence inducing breathing difficulties. But then that was long long ago. Now ok dy. After doctor showed how it's related, just realized that all I needed is just enough not to sweat or feel discomfort.

MHI won some awards for their innovative circulation feature. One thing they did was to study that cooling is mostly to satisfy the area where occupants are and then spread out around it. The other one is PCB sealing against humidity for greater reliability.

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 16 2014, 11:36 AM)
Oh.. If wanna buy ME model inverter 2hp, would skip 2hp & go for 2.5hp to instead it.

If compare on 2hp, I would go for non inverter model for more powerful than 2hp inverter model here.

Just for ME model inverter only
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I think what you meant is for ME, because of the odd pipe size even for 2.0hp, might as well go for 2.5hp?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 16 2014, 11:54 AM)
Specs has showing on 2hp maximum output less than 18btu at only 17btu at 1620w = 10.50 EER not so efficient.

Also blower size used 1-1.5hp without 3D air swing and wide & long air flow.

Gas pipes for this 2hp not wrong just like normal size 6 & 12mm only
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Ah ok. If change pipe can. Retrofit over existing a bit hard.
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QUOTE(silver88 @ Oct 16 2014, 05:55 PM)
Which model u take? May I know the price?
Can post ur model number here?
I also ordered a triangle design....MY one is AR12HVSFEWKNME not AR12HVFSEWKNME
Just the SF and FS different in the model code.....easy to confuse....even I chat with samsung service center, they also keep mistake.
One thing really disappoint with the samsung service center......really fed up live chat, phone call and email with them......very bad service
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If triangle is inverter, suggest go for ARnnHVSDB. It has better energy saving rate. Legend and 88 electronics can get it cheaper than elsewhere if you're in PJ. But warn your installer that he needs to prepare 4 core wires from DB to compressor instead of the usual 3.

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 15 2014, 11:29 PM)
havent , i see u all keep bash samsung aircond lol , nvm let me try first and give review  biggrin.gif
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LOL, I have a confession, you're never alone. I also guinea pig sweat.gif I already installed 1.0 and 1.5HP inverters in bedrooms. Very quiet at 20dB. 27-28deg C with 1 speed fan and VirusDoctor turned on. Auto LR used in 1.0HP and UD used in 1.5HP. The wattage can track by 2nd Function button and then Watt Usage. After turn off in morning, always auto clean to prevent mould build up.
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QUOTE(silver88 @ Oct 16 2014, 07:00 PM)
Bro, wat u want to said about the left right fan for 1HP and up down fan for the 1.5HP??
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This one only because of room configuration. The 1hp is sited on widest wall so need to blow LR. The 1.5 sited on narrowest wall and only need to throw up down.
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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 17 2014, 12:13 AM)
Did u found samsung triangle aircond cold up faster?  hmm.gif
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Well, my requirement is minimum cooling only. Lowest is 27 on AUTO fan with 1 speed ceiling fan. Higher speed ceiling fan if warmer but still same temp. Reason being the high dampness. At that temp it's lowered to something like 65-70% relative humidity (RH).

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QUOTE(silver88 @ Oct 16 2014, 07:08 PM)
Bro, can teach me see which one model is more save electric??

Both is 1.5HP

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Beside that, both bro air cond is samsung? both also model ARxxHVSDBWKN?
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QUOTE(silver88 @ Oct 17 2014, 01:34 PM)
Bro, can resend again the inverter premium pic......very blur the pic
Where bro get this catalog? When few shop also don't have the new update for samsung air con.....
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Harvey Norman Paradigm Mall. Let me see if I can retake but it's at home. Not sure how they rate the wattage. It could be partial load like how SG does it.

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QUOTE(silver88 @ Oct 17 2014, 05:14 PM)
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Which one is more save energy? Inverter premium or inverter premium wifi?
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On paper, inverter wifi more saving. For the 1.5hp premium inverter without and with wifi is 705.4 vs 584.4 W Whereas for 1.0hp it's 463W vs 413.8W

But the one with wifi has heavier compressors at 30kg vs 26.4kg without it.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 18 2014, 05:54 PM)
Went to hotel they used pana Econavi inverter model, I feel that the wind noisy quite strong.

This is very normal?



Pana inverter deluxe 13k btu feel like really keep warm not cold or too efficient on normal 4x5m room size.

Even set on 22C but the cooling wise just feel like 25C only, anything went wrong?
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probably undersized. I calculated ngam gnam only at 13427 BTU@hlf=60 but probably have not taken into account lighting fixtures and occupant. 2hp should be better. Also if compressor is located below blower, Pana has height vertical height limit of 5m.

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