Like the other two thread started for my own purposes. I also need to ask this - between cycling and jogging - which is better?

I was given a pretty expensive bicycle by my cousin bro who bought a new one. My friends came around and say the bicycle that was given to me is worth ~RM3k or more, so I assume it's a good bike.

Sometimes, when I think about how my feet hurts from running, how people say it's bad for the knees, how our feet pound the ground carrying our body weight is bad for us. Is cycling really better? My group of friends cycle around Klang town like crazy, going from one housing area to another.

I know it's not those hardcore endurance training but as a cardio exercise, I think it's pretty good. I dont know how they measure but they go for ~50km every time they set out for cycling - 3 of them.

Between cycling and jogging - quite sure jogging burns more calories than having seating on our butt on a bicycle seat. But is it suitable for me who is 107kg, would jogging be bad for my feet / legs?

Please note that this thread is also for myself. 191cm, 107kg ~ obese state. At my state, am I even suitable for running?

164cm at 85kg here
Im using cycling machine
as long as sweating should be ok

Brisk walk is better for your knees. It is said that Jogging puts 3 times your weight on one knee every time you step down, imagine, if you're 107 kg thats 300 over kg on one knee, as due to gravity and your mass. So brisk walk, don't jog.

If you have an uphill gradient its an even better cardio workout.

right, if you're worried about your knees walk. not sure if cycling is better than jogging but after recovering from a knee injury my orthopedist said not to cycle but jogging and running would be fine.

maybe jogging once in a while?
coz i feel really good when jogging
or you can try nike shox? i dont know if good for knee or not but i feel good wearing it

Dont have a cycling machine... Anyway, I wanna lose weight fast, more within the next 1 - 2 months time. Then gradually for the rest of the year and finally maintain what I've achieved.

Yes yes... that's what my gf's father advised too. Brisk walking, speed walking is better, less pressure.

Huh? Recovering from knee injury, jogging is BETTER than cycling? You sure you heard right? Maybe it's because when you paddle up, your knees bend too much, that's why?

Once in a while is pointless man. I wanna lose weight so I jog / run / walk / crawl to my girlfriend house. From Tmn Chi Liung, all the way to Tmn Eng Ann in Klang. If you know how far is that... It probably might shocked you.

cant remember what he said, its been quite a few years, all i remember is him telling me not to cycle.

if you want to jog/run/walk, i'd suggest going for uphill walks first before moving on to jogging or running, build up some stamina and get your muscles used to being used more, maybe 1-2weeks, try to lose some weight before jogging and running aswell, it hurts your joints and joint injuries suck.

Cycling doesn't workout your whole body.

1 - 2 months time? Getting married?
hehehe... Anyway how much weight you intend to lose? How much do you weigh now? and your height?

My height is 191cm
My weight is 106kg
My shoe size is 11
My pants size is 38.

I intent to lose max 20kg overall.
Buff up - convert fats to muscles

In these 2 months, my realistic target is 99kg, 2 digit instead of 3. I know it's unhealthy so lose so much in so short period. No choice. Want to be able to fit in 38 loosely, currently is ngam ngam.


Update:
I just went for a walk / jog / tracking. From Klang Hosp towards the Reservoir, thru the jungle, towards Taman Rakyat, Andalas. Half way through the jungle.

Walk all the way up the reservoir, make a turn at the end, half way down, go thru jungle, got lost inside for 30 minutes. Too tired, heart about to give way, legs are sore, mosquitoes bite.

Met an old granny, asked her for directions to main road, Jln Banting. She led me out to the reservoir there where there's a lot of ppl walking up and down, she sped off - probably think I'm a robber. I didnt even get to thank her, I am shocked she is 70 runs faster than me. I'm humiliated. Now I'm thinking about suicide.

Got back home, shouted for my sister to open the door. Collapsed on the floor, breathing heavily, cold floor is good, drank tons of ice water. KO-ed. Now online forum to reply my own thread.

I am feeling pathetic and am not getting married.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Jun 26 2006, 06:43 PM

lol cheer up, it takes time. just keep working out and you'll start feeling better in a couple of weeks.

its important to be aware that your weight may not drop very quickly and you wont go down sizes instantly either, but atleast you'll feel stronger after each week.

cycling is bad for male reproductive system. Imagine 107kg sitting on it, erm, not exactly sitting, but with those thigh(assuming excess fat) rubbing on it, it's torturing for your swimmer. Even the best saddle still have risk on it. Jogging hurts your knee. Go swimming. The best calories burner, and you dont actually sweat in the pool. You'll feel warm all over your body after swimming. Then go sauna, 15 mins, it will start burning those fat. Enough to get you down by 4-5kg after that a single exercise. But that is just dehydration, plenty of water loss, and fat burned. Rather than feeling flabby on ur stomach, you feel tone all over your body, chest, back, arms, legs, waist. Jogging and cycling are carb burner, won't really burn those fat. And you only tone ur legs, and partly waist, not arms or body. especially that piece of fat below ur armpit, if you have any.

If you can maintain for 3-4 times a week for the next 2 months, you wont be doing it for losing weight, but rather enjoying it.

This post has been edited by Aurora: Jun 26 2006, 07:32 PM

ummm, you do sweat while swimming you just dont notice it because you're in a pool of water. ask a doctor if you dont believe me but you do sweat while swimming.

you lose water in the sauna, not fat.

you will lose weight all around your body when you jog or run or whatever it is you do, you just happen to have a more complete workout when you swim.

So, physical activity won't burn fat but sauna after physical activity will?

Or is it that sauna alone burns fat without physical activity?

Or is it physical activity alone burns fat but sauna helps as a catalyst to the fat burning?

Or am I being misinformed?

I think I'll be dead by the roadside if I walk as much as you. Partly because I'm a smoker...

Lol... I am trying to think positive here. I want to look and feel better, for myself or my gf. Feel better in a couple of weeks eh? I am trying to do this everyday. Even got my best friend to accompany me tomorrow in case I get lost again.

Surprisingly, my weight drops faster than normal. I will keep this thread alive or start another one regarding my diet / workout plans which I am going through everyday.


Good theory, bad for the male reproductive system. But I dont feel my thighs are all that close. I may be 107kg, you probably imagine me looking like a pig but I dont look all that fat. All the girls around me thinks I'm looking damn nice but down under those shirt, it's just fats.

Anyway, I dont have fat thighs. In fact, I have nicer legs than most women does. Somehow, genetically, I am hairless. Women thinks I shave but I dont. 9 out of 10 women who see me in my shorts will come molest my legs, the other 1 has never seen me in shorts. From what you read, you can tell I'm damn proud of them and yes I am.

Oh yea, I am looking into swimming. Just found out from my gf's friend that swimming in Shah Alam public pool requires a RM3 payment. She got all hyped up after my questions and wants to go with me but my gf wont allow it. Lolx.

Swimming is a more complete work out? Some people would argue that swimming does not burn fat as the water carries your weight. Thus, the exercise you do, swimming does not burn much fats since you dont carry your own weight like jogging. Even cycling, sitting on our butts, does not burn as much weight as jogging.

Since I cant jog for shit. Dont have the stamina. So between brisk walking / cycling / swimming - which will burn more calories? I may be overweight but I can do 20 laps in Shah Alam Club (not public pool) just last month.


I smoke some times, when there's an occassion. Well, if you think smoking is giving you so much trouble, quit it. My girlfriend was a heavy smoker, Avril Lavigne kind of girl. She quit because she love me and now she's swimming much more than I do, walking faster than I do! If she can, you can.

i found that losing fat comes in stages, first you put on weight when you start exercising which is water, then you lose a little bit of weight, which is some fat, then you put on weight again which is muscle growth, then you lose quite a bit of weight which is fat.

then you have to increase either amount or resistance and do it all over again.

iirc the biggest cause of testy/prostate issues are from the bycicle seat pressuring your "sai lou" and sweat build up, not too sure, hate cycling cant be bothered to find out.

haha hairless legs.

when you swim you're propelling your body through a dense material, your body has to work harder. its also good for those with injuries as there is minimal stress on your joints and virtually no impact-unless you bump into the pool wall, then gg.

not sure how much calories you burn when swimming but i dont burn all that much when running. i find swimming 10km is a hell of alot harder than running 10km is so i suppose swimming would burn more calories?

erm...wht abt rope jumping??

Rope jumping is good. I think it's even good for your knees, as I've read on bodybuilding.com
Still, it doesn't make too much sense to me. I'll skip, if I wanna get to sweat quickly. Maybe if I'm 30 minutes away from an appointment, and I can jog, so I quickly skip, and bathe and run out.

But about swimming, about the myth that the water carries your weight, think again.

Now, run 50 meters, at your maximum capability.

Do 1 LAP, 50 meters, freestyle or butterfly at your maximum capability too.

At the end, you'll probabbly be panting your breath out. Does running make you pant harder than swimming? I don't think sooo.....anyway I do run, before training that is. Apart from that, nah, I hate running.

Yea... guess you're right. Actually, I dont mind if my kilos add somemore provided that it's muscles and not fat. Look fit and healthy, not fat and lazy.

Bicycle will really bring that bad health effect on the penis or not? I'm not sure but I just bought a pump for my bike today. I will be doing cycling soon.

Yea, hairless leg indeed. Nicknamed 'pak cham kai' back when I was younger. On the contrary to your thoughts, I find swimming easier than running. Running puts a lot of burden (weights) on my legs. Swimming is less cause the water support our weight. Of course, I dont intend to swim 10kg.

We cant calculate distance of swimming against distance of running but if I have two hours to spare for working out, I'd go with swimming. 20 laps - 30 laps is not as painful for me as running or tracking the jungle for 2 hours.

Thought about that but since I'm too tall, I dont think there's any skipping rope for me. Neither do I want to get entangled, fall and break my nose.

I wont compare the distance but rather the time spent. You may swim a shorter length but equally amount of time with max effort. I think swimming is good, less pressure on the body.

Plus, swimming in the sea (weekend trips or holidays) is something enjoyable for me. To me, that's as close as being on another world, in the water or the sea alike.

Ahh.... 2 wrong assumption. How bout running at 10 degree C in foreign country? Do you sweat? We sweat because our body heat up, and sweat help us to cold down our body, sweat evaporate with the heat. Heat dissipate when we swim, so we dont sweat.

second thing, we burn our carb first before we get to burn our fat. The body will tend to use up all the carb before burning the fat. Actually, you can run, or cycle, then go sauna, no problem.

Swimming is a better workout that cycling. Research has show that swimming burns more calories that jogging and running. How long do you take to swim 20 laps? Time is a factor, if you swim 1 to 2 laps and rest for 5 mins, and complete your 20 laps in 2 hours, that wont help. Your body just warm up and cold down, repetitively. You need to swim with short breaks, before your body cold down, you need to start the next laps. It'll burn you down pretty fast.

Also, the muscle soreness you get from swimming is different than jogging or cycling. It feels different.

Cycling wont directly hurt our reproductive system, not by pressing directly on it, but there's a thing between our reproductive system and anus, which most of our weight sit on it during cycling. It feel sore after a long cycle, and hurt that part. It's indirectly a part of our reproductive system. Hope someone from the medical field can clarify this further

Ahh.. more misinformation from you. You claimed earlier going for sauna for 15 minutes after a swimming session will burn fat. Maybe you might want to clear that up first before shooting down Potato's argument?

Besides, it's true swimmers sweat while swimming while fully immersed in water.

http://www.swim-city.com/library.php3?id=34

I don't see what you meant by 2 wrong assumption(sic).

holy mama are you an asian????
191 cm, any way jogging is the best way to lose weight.. my pesonal traineer told me...

yes you do sweat when you run at 10'C, you'll sweat in winter too if you run. i've tried it in australia in winter, have you?

sweat is caused by either ambient heat causing your body in general to heat up OR muscle temps rising due to exertion(yes i know there are other causes but these are the most common 2), wether its cold or you're surrounded by water does not affect this.

go to any medical center, ask any doctor "do i sweat when i swim" any doctor that says "no" list their names here so we know to avoid them.

swimming > jogging,running and cycling, the added resistance of water increases the effort required to swim adding to the fact that you use arms abs and legs to swim. both are agreed on this.

when cycling you're sitting essentially on your prostate and your peepee as your wang isnt just the long weewee you see it goes further back than that.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Jul 1 2006, 08:35 PM

i knew it! i always knew mine was longer than that!

haha

AH... I'm a swimmer. Been there, did it. Have you? The article says the pool temperature is 29 C, 60% humidity. I dont know malaysia weather figure is, but that was pretty hot. I dont swim on that weather, at 29 C, usually after 5-10 mins of swimming will warm my body, and feel uncomfort. Common pool temperature is around 26 C. I ask the pool supervisor, (also a guard), they test the water sample each day. He also told me a lot about pool maintanence, water sampling, turbidity, clorination etc. I like it in the morning, or after raining, whereby most people say it's cold, around 23 C.

About the sauna, just to make things simple, I just put 15 mins, that's the recommended duration for typical person after a workout session. Max is 30 mins, I won't recommend that if it's after a workout session.

And for fleshwound information, I'm an ethusiatic badminton player. My sweat drip on floor. I can drink 1.5 liter of water in 2 hours of intensive badminton matchs. I can easily squeeze half a cup (100ml) of sweat. I go swimming on alternate day when my friends are busy. I do 20 laps, in 2-3 sessions with 5 mins break in between, 45 mins session. And i don sweat in pool, nor i feel the sweat on my forehead when i rest. If I stop for too long, and other swimmer swim by, I can feel a gust of cold water. It's because the water around my immediate area began to warm up. I'm not exargerating, it's true, especially rest by the corner for 5 mins without moving. I only sweat when i get up, took my shower, change and on my way home, walk 5-10 mins to home at evening 7pm would get my forehead, back, leg sweaty already.. It's because my body is still warm, so it sweat then. I sweat heavily and i don notice any sweat when swimming. It's because of water help dissipate our body heat.

I dont quote doesn't mean I dont know, I speak from my experience ok.

Ya, i read somewhere it hurts our reproductive system when we sit on the saddle.
I never run in winter before, just heard it from my friends though, playing soccer at 18 C and he come home dry and clean. Maybe the intensity of his activity and ur running is way different. For all I know, by means of air and water specific heat capacity, water is thousands of time more capable to absorb heat than air, per unit volume. I dont want to raise an issue here. So you sweat in winter, that must be an intense running.

Save the eyes rolling when you're passing out from alcohol. You assuringly said nobody sweats while swimming fully immersed in water, I've provided a case where you sweat while swimming fully immersed in water. Even if it is to be at 23 C, you WILL sweat provided you swim vigorously enough, as your body sweats once your internal body temperature rises above normal which happens whenever your exercise. you can keep quoting your friends from Greenland not sweating while playing soccer in the open or that you have been swimming for so long you know everything there is to know, but the fact still remains, you can and do sweat while swimming as opposed to "you dont actually sweat in the pool".

Sauna DOES NOT burn fat.

Yes, of course it is ok. Good luck staying lean in the sauna room.

sigh its like this... you said your friend plays football and comes home dry right? ask him if he actually played or if he was a bench warmer. take a look at professional european players during winter or autumn, its cold, they sweat.

theres no argument here, unless your example has a disorder which causes his body to be unable to sweat, i'm right.

you will sweat when you swim, theres no argument here either, ask any doctor you want, if they know anything about what they're talking about they'll agree with me aswell. again no argument here, i'm right.

sitting in the sauna causes you to lose weight in water, thats why boxers and other athletes who have to follow a weight class wear water suits to sweat the weight out before weighing in before their match. after weighing in they drink liquids and their weight goes back up, you may lose some small amount of fat in a sauna but the majority of the weight you lose will be water. ask a doctor who knows about the subject and he'll agree.

everything here can be verified with a simple visit to a doctor's office, provided the doctor knows what he's talking about.

edit: changed soccer with FOOTBALL.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Jul 1 2006, 10:57 PM

Those DAMNED AMERICANS!

it is based on your self esteem..

both cycling and jogging is good but work for diet within 1~2 months??seems quite hard to achieve..at what weight you're aiming??

anyway 191cm??damn tall man..basketball player??i'm 181cm 65kg(max) and having a hard time to increase my weight

i tot it's australian?

soccer is american, pretty much everyone else calls it football or futball or some variation of football.

Actually, you can't do direct comparison between cycling & jogging. Both activities have different pros and cons and target different parts of the body. So, to balance yourself, it is best to do combination of swimming, cycling and running , aka thriatlon.

As a marathon runner, I advise you to start from the basic. Start with weight trainning, especially around thighs and calves muscles. Next, learn proper breathing through yoga. And next, learn proper way of running. Many people forget about this. You learn how to swim and drive on the road, but do not learn how to run. This is the major cause of injury. Have proper running equipment , such as running vest, short pant and running shoes.

... yoga?

while i agree with getting some amount of flexibility prior to getting into a full out run and proper breathing techniques are important... yoga?

learning to run is easy, most people in general get a proper form after 1-2 weeks of running on their own simply because their bodies begin to adjust for the added strain from running.

imo its much harder to learn how to jog properly.

shoes are important, but shorts and vest?

Yeah I agree with previous poster. Cycling and Jogging or even swimming not mutually exclusive what. Each has its benefits, do one on MOnday the other on Tuesday and rotatelah. What's the problem?

But sauna does nothing but make u lose water, and occasionally inhibitions (if you are so inclined and go to the 'other ' sort of sauna)

But I do enjoy a good sweat now and then. Opens your pores and whatnot right? Relaxinglah, like hot tubbing mah. But no real use for ppl who want to get healthy coz u lose water not fat.

I've done lots of research on best exercises and many scientists and doctors agree that brisk walking is the best exercise to slim down and keep fit because it is addictive. FYI, I brisk walk about 3 times a week....around 50 minutes each time. I usually exercise at night...because very cooling and relaxing.


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Hmm, interesting. My elderly parents brisk walk for exercise, coz that really all they can do. But I think they would agree its quite addicting, they tell me they feel weird if they don't do their morning rounds. U may have something there. Or its the usual adrenaline junkie situation.

Can anyone help me on this??

I want to know what should we eat and wait after how long then can start jogging??
Usually i jogging in the evening, one hour or half hour before i go for jogging, i will eat few pcs of biscuit/bread and a cup of hot milo/milk/nestum coz i afraid that i won't have enough glukosa or stamina during jogging and faint. After the jogging, i will straight go to have my dinner. Is that the chance that i will get appendicits disease is higher coz eat before jogging??

I'm not obese, i jogging coz i juz want to do some exercise...

Do u all have other suggestion??
Is it a appropriate practice??

I wonder how about the morning jogging, should i have my breakfast first then go for jogging or

follow my evening jogging practice, have a cup of hot drink+biscuit/bread first before go for jogging and go to have breakfast after jogging or

don't eat anything just go to jogging and have breakfast later??
i never jogging in the morning, but i curious to know...

hope sombody out there can answer my questions??
thank you.

Penny Bro, Try to do some sit up. Start from 25 to 50 to 75 to 100. It is very effective. Plus some other mini exercise, push up, jumping...

i lost about 3.5KGs after 1.5 months of exercising every weekend only. 168cm. <60KGs here

Lately I revive my interest in cycling, I am so envy u got an expensive bike for free. My 10 yrs old mountain bike sucks. I'm thinking to get a new one when I got enough money.

Errr... yea, pure chinese. Jogging is the best way to lose weight, many people tell me too but I cant do it on a long basis, too much impact for my knees. I dont want to go thin today and sacrifice my knee caps for future pains.

Was a basketball player but not anymore. 181cm and only 65kg?! My goodness, isnt that aneroxic?!

I am aiming for 90kg, changing from fats to muscles. Right now, I am aiming for two-digit weights, like 99kg. I havent start on a regular workout program yet. I just lift some weights everytime I enter my room. It's probably stupid but everytime I go downstairs to get a drink and return, I will train my biceps. Or even if I step out to the toilet, I will come in and do some bench press, etc.

Yoga for breathing properly? Running properly? Mind if you share a tip or two? I wont sign up for yoga classes purposely for breathing lessons so I can resume my running workout. HOpe you're able to help.

Jog properly is hard to learn? I cant stand the small pace and side stitch comes faster while jogging than running. At least when I feel side-stitch during running, when I look back, I know I've covered more tracks. Jogging is quite torture for me.

Yea, I am rotating between cycling, swimming and cross-training now. Just that I dont have much time for it or sometimes too tired when I get back.

I have never tried exercising at night. My cousin recommend it too. Brisk walking is good for slimdown? I have to continue my workout then.

Same, my mother cant live without her morning walks too. One day she dont go, she starts making noise, waiting for tomorrow to come.

I cant do sit ups cause of my poor back. I have a lower back problem so instead of lift-ups, I do leg-lifts.

I do push up as well because sometimes I get bored of bench press at home, so I turn around and do push-ups to failure. Jumping, have not try that cause I scared it make me grow even taller.

My bike, I got it free cause my cousin used to use it to university in Aus. Now he dont use liao, so gave to me since he also lost interest in sports. My friend's bike goes up to RM20k. Damn bike can buy a Kancil liao.

By the way, people say that we shouldnt drink so much water before we sleep because it will cause water-retention, true or false?

Is there any way to remove water-retention, besides sauna?

You don't need to sign up for Yoga classes. I remember there is a deep breathing technique call Pranayama. You can search for more information anywhere. When you really master it, you can sprint for long distance without facing breathing difficulties.

And as you requested for more info on how to run properly, you can try visiting Pose method @ http://www.posetech.com/pose_method/

I remembered I lost about 5 kg before and after a marathon race. Of course, you need to stress yourself for 3-5 hours of none stop running covering 42km.

false, if you drink alot of water in 1 go your blood pressure will begin to spike, to counter this your body simply pees the water out.

peeing, sweating normally, drinking water.


and jogging is NOT the best way to lose weight, weight lifting, swimming and running among other things will cut the fat off faster.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Jul 9 2006, 10:46 AM

Nonono... I wasnt talking about one go drink plenty of water but rather drinking water at night before we sleep causes water retention... true kah?

Is there any way to counter water retention? I know I drink more water than others do. At mamak, people order 1 cup, I order 2 cups. Maybe because my size is big, that's why I drink more?

well i drink water before i sleep i dont feel like i'm retaining water any more than normal, i dont wake up bloated. i simply take a piss when i get up or if i drank too much before sleeping i take a piss in the middle of the night.

the only thing i know of that causes natural increase in water retention is the female menstrual cycle. as far as i know and i've looked around abit sleeping does not increase water retention by any great amount if at all. if you want to be sure ask a doctor and ask for a detailed explanation into the hows and why's, if he cant give a detailed explanation he doesnt know.


you drink alot of water because you're thirsty? try eating cutting some salt out of your diet, salty foods like potatochips and salted fish and all that. also get a simple blood test done to check for diabeties, being thirsty all the time and needing to pee often is a common symptom of diabeties, not saying you have it but checking is always a good thing.

Not a matter of thirst but I just have this usual habit of drinking a lot of water. My nutritionist friend say it will help me wash out rubbish from my system.

Now that you reminded me of diabetes... I need to check on this soon. Scary!

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Jul 10 2006, 02:14 AM

I just got back from swimming - 10 laps. Not much, not little. Covered in 1 hour+ a bit.

Shoulders are sore, chest sore, legs sore. Had cramps earlier cause forgot to warm-up. Going for cycling, to tapao my dinner.

Diet is torture. If I ever lose weight to ~90kg, I promise I will never grow fats EVER again.

now I am nearing 59KG....2 weeks ago I am 60KG hehehehe

how tall are you?