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Lord Gitsy
post Nov 3 2017, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Nov 2 2017, 04:01 PM)
can u review for dual layer tint?

mean if my first tint is 90% irr, 2nd layer say 70% irr, will it perform better than 1 layer 95% irr?
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Hi, first you need to understand there is 3 ray in natural sun-light. In another word, you are expose to these 3 ray in the same time when you walking under the sun. Infra-Red (54%), UV (3%) and Visible Light (43%).

a) Visible light (Light which can be seen by human eye)
b) Infra-Red (Invisible)
c) Ultra-Violet (Invisible)

All these 3 rays contribute to Solar Energy which known as "HEAT''. If your window film is able to block most of the IRR and VLT, then it will provide you the best heat rejection performance.

In Malaysia, the JPJ rules have controlled the window film cannot be too dark (Low VLT%). So as a window film seller, Raytech only can produce window film which can resist the most heat in IRR only for those customers who looking for high heat rejection film with JPJ compliance.

For dual layer tint, mostly not compliance with JPJ rules because the combination VLT of both layers definitely is below JPJ requirements.

If the 1 layer is 95% VLT 20-30% (hard to find), double layer tint may not better than it.
If the 1 layer is 95% VLT60% (Common spec), first tint is 90% irr, 2nd layer say 70% irr can be better than it.

To save money, normally what customer did is first layer install high IRR tint, 2nd layer install black tint with VLT 40% or 20% to block the visible light. This combination should have very good heat rejection.

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Lord Gitsy
post Nov 3 2017, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Nov 3 2017, 04:52 PM)
This is why you need to have more variety in products to cater for other consumers  requirements. For me, I will sacrifice compliance for comfort. The reason why I went to your shop is because your tint specification states higher than your competitors when in fact after application and comparison it fares much worse. I had the assumption that your tint is superior because of the specification, marketing, etc and you did not mention that lower VLT will yield better heat rejection.

I have the assumption that your tint has both comfort and compliance based on the spec sheet. I realized this is false and now you mention here of cos H brand is better because the VLT is lower hence the heat rejection is better. But that is not what is stated from your spec sheet of your top range RX?????

I consider this borderline unethical marketing. Not to mention the pricing as well.

All tint shops I went to starts with this question,

Comfort or Compliance?

Now I paid for a product which I do not like because I want  comfort instead of compliance but I was not asked the question, and based on my assumption. Hence I was wrong and I share with the members here why RX is inferior to H brand with lower VLT.

I would have just gone straight with 1 layer of HO with lower VLT instead of asking customers to go stick another tint if your tint doesn't work as I hope bro, if u told me earlier, "bro this is compliance tint, will not be as good as lower VLT tint".

But hey everyone also wants business right.
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Understood and appreciate your feedbacks smile.gif
Raytech does not offered illegal tints in our standard selling procedure except is special requested by customer personally. It's because illegal films will have big problem next year when the new JPJ standards launched. We don't ask the question because we believe most of customers are looking for compliance tints. And it's not our product's selling point too. In the market, there are some shops willing to take risk by offering illegal film and purposely cover for JPJ summon. When problem come they will twist and turn, because too many case happened d. Sorry no offense ya smile.gif


Lord Gitsy
post Nov 12 2017, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Nov 12 2017, 04:21 PM)
After checking the specs I see what you mean by the above.

Raytech Ultra 70 (for windscreen), VLT 73%, TSER 58%
Huper Ceramic 60 (for windscreen), VLT 60%, TSER 42%

Looking at TSER, in theory the Raytech should be much cooler than Ceramic 60, even though the VLT is higher. But in practice you feel the Ceramic 60 performs better. Hmmm.....

Lord Gitsy you got any comment on this?
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Hi bro, thanks for your inquiry. First of all, HO C60 is not a compliance tint that can install on windscreen. It's because JPJ requirement for windscreen VLT is above 70%. Both products are not in the same category and their similar product for windscreen should be HO C70.

The similar spec for HO C60 (IRR59% VLT60% TSER42%) in Raytech is Raytech FC (IRR75% VLT58% TSER48%). Our top product in this range is Raytech RC (IRR95% VLT58% VLT62%). This range of products normally is used to install on side window or rear windscreen. We can install this spec for customer on windscreen only if special request from customer and customer can accept for non compliance tint on JPJ regulation.

Question: Legal tint or Illegal tint ? Less than 10% of customer want to install illegal tint for their car smile.gif



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post Nov 13 2017, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Nov 12 2017, 09:58 PM)
Lord Gitsy,

I think you misunderstood my question.

I'm not asking about legal or illegal tint. My question was about performance. Looking at the TSER spec, the Raytech Ultra 70 should be cooler than the HO C60. But how come the user felt that C60 is cooler than your Raytech?
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TSER has included IRR, VLT and UVR. IRR stands 54% in TSER while VLT stands 43% in TSER. The IRR of Raytech Ultra 70 is 95% which has bring up the TSER.
If not mistaken, C60's IRR is 59% only.

In term of feeling, darker tint can provide better feel because it blocked the sunlight. When people see lesser sunlight, they will feel cooler.

This post has been edited by Lord Gitsy: Nov 14 2017, 12:18 AM
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post Nov 14 2017, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Nov 14 2017, 04:21 PM)
Oh wait, its 98% (RX, Ultra 70) meaning only 2% can go through... so how does the smart tag works in this case...?

Lord Gitsy maybe can comment on this?

haverkamp looking at your product list.. your top range http://www.haverkamp-tinting.com.my/automo.../mt-70-ceramic/ will not work with smart tag too right? 97% IRR blocking?
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On previous posts, we do have customers feedback that Ultra 70 has difficulty to detect smartag. We suggest Ultra 70 user slower down the speed of car to 5km/h when passing the tol but sometimes work and sometimes don't work. We found Kesas tol is totally cannot detect smartag with Ultra 70 smile.gif
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post Nov 23 2017, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Nov 23 2017, 09:16 AM)
To me, it is a two portion problem.

First, the English on their “so-called-international” website is terrible. Mine isn’t great but theirs were written by a child.

Second, their TSER claims are way higher than their OEM manufacturer’s number.

So based on that, you cannot trust that Raytech is genuine

Also, the bonus is that Raytech’s parent company is being sued for using low quality tints.
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Hi sorry, Do you know your conclusion might misleading the newbies in window film market? I hope you can respect the culture and the sellers here. We prefer more to help or answer and not jeopardize people brand in this discussion.

Commonwealth Laminating & Coating which is Raytech's OEM manufacturer produces tint for RAYTECH with CUSTOM SPECIFICATION. Since it's our USA manufacturer, we must customize the tint specification and make sure it's compliance to our local government regulation and suitable for Malaysia weather.

Raytech products have been tested to ensure Good Quality and are certified by TUV standards which can apply on the new policy MS2669:2017 next year. The test report was done by QAV Technologies Sdn Bhd (04-6438317). If you have studied about MS2669:2017 policy, this policy is to ensure customer can get good quality products with good heat rejection and can be last at least 5 years without bubbling, and also protect customer for not being cheating by low grade film or fake irr reading.

The test requirement are as below picture. With these testing, are Raytech products Good quality ?

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Lord Gitsy
post Nov 24 2017, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Nov 24 2017, 03:00 PM)
Here is what misleading means...

Raytech Ultra is a rebranded version of the SunTek CIR tints.

Suntek CIR80 claims, 42% heat rejection. Raytech Ultra 80 claims 50% rejection. That is ~20% more than what the tint can do.

Note: I picked Raytech Ultra 80 as this is one that Raytech should recommend as this is closest to JPJ approval. Glass are typically 70 to 80% clear. The right VLT for front windscreen is 70%, so the best legal tint would be 90% VLT

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your Raytech Ultra 70, has 58% heat rejected (TSER), If this is true, no tint manufacturer can beat your clarity per TSER. Based on SunTek's website, to achieve 58% of TSER, the tint would block out 80% of light. But your tint only blocks out 27%

Hence,

Why my personal opinion is that Raytech is no 100% truthful.

Base on my research, TSER effectiveness is a combination of IRR rejection, VLR reduction and VLT reduction
Do let me know if you can share the technical certificates for all your tints.
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For your information, Raytech Ultra is not a rebranded version of the Suntek CIR tints. Suntek products have no relationship with Raytech products at all. We are under same manufacturer does not mean we are having the same products. For example like famous brands H brand, L brand and V brand are under Eastman too. Raytech customizes the tints specification with OEM manufacturer so we can design what level of specification we need for our Malaysian market smile.gif

Not much people will like VLT90% tint because it has very low in heat rejection. The performance is same like no tint and you have to pay money for it smile.gif

Your research for TSER is not correct. Please find the correct answer at this link: http://solutions.3m.com.sg/wps/portal/3M/e...raredRejection/

Before I explain the specification with you, I hope you can understand there are 3 ray in natural sun-light. In another word, you are expose to these 3 ray in the same time when you walking under the sun.

a) Visible light (Light which can be seen by human eye)
b) Infra-Red (Invisible)
c) Ultra-Violet (Invisible)

All these 3 rays contribute to (TSER) Solar Energy. Infra-Red (54%), UV (3%) and Visible Light (43%).

Let's compare Suntek CIR80 and Raytech Ultra 80:
Suntek CIR80 - IRR 59% UVR 99% VLT 78% TSER 42% (IRR is lower)
Raytech Ultra 80 - IRR 90% UVR 99% VLT 79% TSER 50% (IRR is higher)

The IRR of Raytech Ultra80 is higher than Suntek CIR80 so in technically the TSER is definitely higher smile.gif

IRR and VLT are affect the most in the TSER reading. If you need higher TSER, the VLT must be lower and IRR must be higher. Lower VLT will higher the TSER. Higher IRR will higher the TSER. There are two ways to reject the most heat by window film.
1) Darkness of the tint
2) The components coated on tints (dyed, pigmented, metallized, ceramic or nano).

If need to provide best heat rejection in higher VLT tints, we have to add more components coated on tints. So you can see in Malaysian market, higher IRR tints always have higher price because the cost is higher.

Let's compare Suntek CIR20 and Raytech Ultra 70:
Suntek CIR20 - IRR 59% UVR 99% VLT 24% TSER 58% ( VLT is lower)
Raytech Ultra 70 - IRR 98% UVR 99% VLT 78% TSER 58% (IRR is higher)

Both products are developed differently to reject heat. Suntek CIR20 has lower VLT while Raytech Ultra 70 has higher IRR to reject heat. You cannot compare the products in Suntek website because most of the higher TSER products there are not compliance with Malaysia JPJ regulation smile.gif

Lastly, Raytech is selling Genuine products to all of our consumers in Malaysia. Quality wise is no problem. So far we have many satisfied customer are using Raytech window film from last 13 years. We do admit sometimes has received some complaints for our services in certain branch but we are trying to improve on that services things smile.gif

We need to apologize with you because our previous products did not met your expectation. And we hope can do better in future. Anyhow we can use BTU meter to test again on the heat rejection of your tints. If possible, you can send your car back to our shop for the free consultation smile.gif

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post Nov 27 2017, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Nov 26 2017, 07:07 PM)
Sigh, starting to notice lines appearing on my windscreen (Raytech Ultra 70). My other car has Ultra 70 too but so far no lines appearing yet, it was fitted 1 year ago... is it the recent batch have quality issue? Should not be workmanship since both cars done at same place.

Damn unlucky this round since my windscreen was replaced twice, first tint had very obvious lines (waves), then second one had dents on it 😩 current one initially I noticed a bit of lines but not obvious so I ignore it, then now seems more areas have it. My old Myvi last time install cheap Rikecool had this issue only after 4 years, this one less than 3 months only 😩
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Hi, sorry for the trouble. Normally wavy effect should be gone after tinted for one week when the water fully dried out. If the tint originally already has wavy problem before tinted on windscreen, it will be very very obvious after tinted on windscreen. So I believe the wavy effect should be workmanship problem. I would suggest you can claim the warranty at another branch smile.gif

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post Nov 27 2017, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Kravo @ Nov 27 2017, 09:31 AM)
raytech my official site raytechfilms.com.my?
it has parent/main company in us?
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Hi, Raytech is founded in Malaysia and OEM window tint from USA manufacturer. Our HQ office is located at Seri Kembangan. Our official website is http://raytechfilms.com.my. Thanks smile.gif

Lord Gitsy
post Dec 10 2017, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 9 2017, 06:26 PM)
Anyone heard of veesolar before ? Home brand to llumar

And they offer me vees armor 6 which is for 2200

Any comment ?
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Hi, with this price 2200, I suggest you rather consider genuine brands products already smile.gif

Watch below video to learn more about choosing window film products:


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post Dec 11 2017, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(CLsoo @ Dec 11 2017, 11:18 AM)
Excuse me, What is your logic  confused.gif ??  A house brand or non-famous brand equal to No Genuine / Fake ???  This is misleading consumer to promo your own product.

Last month got some post about installed raytech & huper optic. Raytech had poor performace compare to huper optic even raytech TSER spec is 40% much higher the Huper optic. 

That suspected Raytech film is given Fake spec figure on catalog.
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Hi. I think u are only read his comment and we have replied to that statement. And also the following comment we replied until now which explained the main things that affect the performance of window film. Different VLT % (Visible Light Transmittance) and different of IRR % (Infrared red rejection) can affect significantly in performance. You can read thoroughly smile.gif

The video is a guideline for consumer to chose Genuine brand products. It's not even for our products only and workable in other Genuine brands too. You can have your own way to judge the product, just make sure you request the meter testing before purchase. Raytech provides meter testing in the shop too.

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post Dec 13 2017, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Dec 12 2017, 10:30 AM)
Meter testing after installation can?

I would like to test the new tint at your shop and tint I’ve used for 3 years.

That would be the best testimonial for you
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Of course can. We provide BTU meter testing after installation. New tint can be tested in our shop also smile.gif
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post Dec 13 2017, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(CLsoo @ Dec 12 2017, 02:04 PM)
Raytech Ultra 70 - VLT 73%, TSER 58%
Huper Ceramic 60 - VLT 60%, TSER 42%
3m crystalline 70 - VLT 68%, TSER 50%
vkool elite - VLT 73% , TSER ?? (cant found tser)
haverkamp 70 , VLT 70%, TSER 50%

just wondering how you get this TSER 58% ? Do you mind to explain the way you get TSER 58% ?

raytech 70 is 15% more compare with others film in market.  All Tint Film model above IRR should all is 90% above. With same IRR & VLT , how come Raytech 70 have big different compare to others ?
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Hi, thanks for providing the info. The specification of Raytech products are provided by the laboratory of our manufacturer. Different manufacturer will have different ways to measure Infrared-red rejection (IRR). They are measured our products with wider band of wavelength for IRR. So overall TSER is better.

In technically, Infrared-red rejection (IRR) has a wavelength from 780nm-2500nm, which is meaning the entire IRR “band” is 1,720 nm wide. Different of window film manufacturers report performance for IRR in a variety of ways because there is not one, uniformly accepted test method for measuring IRR. Each manufacturer measures IRR differently, generally at a single point or narrow range at which the film may perform great and thus, best marketed in that range. For example, 3M products is measured under wavelength band 900-1000nm ONLY. It has 97% IRR in that band only but does not mean it has same results in overall wavelength.

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Some specific examples of these claims include:

Product A: A product manufacturer reports the Infrared-red rejection (IRR) at only one wavelength, 1000nm, where the energy from the sun has already significantly tapered off.
Product B: A manufacturer of a product chose to report the IRR at 1025 nm, which carries about 10% less solar energy than reporting it at 1000 nm.
Product C: The manufacturer chose a point to the far right of the spectrum, out in the near infrared at approximately 1450 nm, where there is almost no solar energy left.
Product D and E: Manufacturers not reporting a specific wave length or range of wavelengths over which they make their IRR claims.
Product F: The manufacturer of this product only reports their IRR number between 900nm and 1,000nm, for a total bandwidth of 100 nm. Noting that the entire IRR band is 1,720 nm wide, this figure represents about 6% of the entire width of the IRR. Therefore, the IRR reported by this company ignores 94% of the infrared wavelengths.

Lastly, Raytech emphasize consumers to test window film by BTU solar power meter instead of IRR meter because BTU meter can show how much of the total solar heat can be rejected by a window film smile.gif

You are welcome to visit our branch to see product demo personally. We can test products by BTU solar meter and do comparison for few brands with meter for u to understand smile.gif

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Dec 12 2017, 07:49 PM)
This is what got me curious about, 3M Crystalline has issues with smart tag, but the Raytech Ultra 70 doesn't have... why tho? But previously I asked, Lord Gitsy said need to go slow... but I remember for Crystalline has to be like super turtle slow (like these wira going past a high bump LOL)..

Unless of course the IRR rejection is for certain wave length only... the 98% claimed for 300nm or something while Smart Tag running on another wave length perhaps?
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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Dec 12 2017, 02:51 PM)
This was the same argument I had previously. But I dont think Lord Glitsy has the answer.

I highlighted that with VLT 70% and IRR of 90%+, you can only get around 40-55%

The other brand that is also not telling the truth is Ecotint. They claim IRR rejection of 90%++ but Smart Tag can still use.

In theory, with high IRR rejection, Smart Tag cannot use at all
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Hi, Raytech did not claimed that our Ultra 70 can 100% pass the Smartag toll. The previous version of Raytech Ultra 70 had met the Smartag problem also. We received compliant from customers in this thread too.

QUOTE(Xccess @ Apr 6 2016, 02:49 PM)
Anyone using Raytech 6mil series? Do you have problem with smart tag detection? If no, where do you place your smart tag?
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After that, we did more improvement on this product because don't want customer paid so much for product cannot detect Smartag. Now Raytech Ultra 70 has lesser problem on Smartag detection already.

Smartag is using Infrared red to detect but does not mean higher IRR cannot use Smartag at all. As long as the frequency and wavelength are at the point after filter by window film, there is still possible to detect the smartag by driving slower etc. 3M Crystalline's material is not same with Raytech Ultra 70 and developed from different manufacturer's technology so detection of Smartag cannot be same smile.gif



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post Dec 13 2017, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(jepakazoid_82 @ Dec 13 2017, 05:27 PM)
Thanks for the clear explanation.

Im quoted 5 mil security tint of rm1.4K for all windows. This is for new myvi. Not sure if its expensive or reasonable.
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Hi, AX Normal and AX Black are same category but the visual light transmittance (VLT) % are different. The 1.4k is the original price. You can request the seller for more discount smile.gif

The spec of them are as below:

AX normal 5mil ----> Install on driver side window
VLT 58% UVR 99% IRR 65% TSER 40%

AX Black 5mil ---> Colour is darker, Install on rear passenger side window and rear screen.
VLT 38% UVR 99% IRR 65% TSER 43%


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post Dec 13 2017, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(jepakazoid_82 @ Dec 13 2017, 05:55 PM)
Somehow the quoted price, which is informed by the perodua sales advisor is for all windows. Is it normal for Raytech to tint the 5 mil on front windscreen as well?
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Cannot bro. 5mil safety film is not advisable to install on windscreen. Thanks for @haverkamp has explained the reason well already smile.gif

In AX package, there has a specific film to install on windscreen. It is Raytech A70 2mil which the VLT % is compliance with JPJ rules.


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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Dec 14 2017, 03:32 PM)
Question @VKOOL, how do you achieve 55% TSER with 70% VLT and yet be SMART TAG friendly?

@lordglisty, you mentioned that Raytech has higher IRR range than 3M, means it is not SMART TAG friendly right?
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Hi, 3M Crystalline's material is not same with Raytech Ultra 70 and also other brands products and developed from different manufacturer's technology so detection of Smartag cannot be same. I believe it is a great benefit for customer if we can sell a high performance product with lesser Smartag problem right ?

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Hi all bros & Sis, please kindly watch this video about the explanation of the new MS2669:2017 standard for window film which will be launching in 2018. After launched of the new standard of window film, it will definitely eliminate all the low quality film products to sell in the market smile.gif



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post Dec 17 2017, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Dec 16 2017, 11:52 AM)
Agreed that it uses a specific bandwidth of IR. And agreed on the fact that as long as not 100% of IR being filtered out by Smartag it would still work.

Raytech claims that they filter out more IR than other brands, if other brands already struggle to work with Smartag, doesnt that make Raytech's claim an oxymoron?

According to Raytech, they can achieve better TSER than most brands in Malaysia for a specific VLT
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Hi, Thanks for @Wilson1122 has explained the right thing. Raytech Ultra 70 is IRR 95% only and we did not claim our Ultra 70 can 100% pass the Smartag which has explained in few previous message. Some of our Ultra 70 users still need to slow down their car to 5km/h in order to pass the Smartag toll. And also the detection of Smartag can be not same in different car model too. Last time we received more complaints on Mazda cars while lesser complaints on local brand cars smile.gif

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Sorry double post

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