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post Feb 27 2014, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 26 2014, 09:56 PM)
Autoglym's HD Wax as I know is highly expensive/luxury wax I never used it before I am unable to comment on it sorry  tongue.gif
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Yeah, it associates itself with brands like Aston Martin. Expensive here but other places it's cheap. Got it in Singapore for quite a good discount. That's the only reason why I got it and because I was curious.

Anyway, it may last long with good water beading but application wise is more difficult and shine factor is ok only. In my opinion, there are better waxes for lesser price. I'll revisit it from time to time.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 26 2014, 09:56 PM)
But Meguiar's Ultimate Paste Wax and Meguiar's Gold Class Paste Wax I used both before. Actually still using.
I agree with you on the characteristics you observed for both of these Meguiar's products. Gold class wax will be even more beneficial on dark color car, so you should be able to gain the most from Gold Class wax by using it on your wife's dark blue car.
Gold class wax is a natural wax product, so it does not last long. I think maximum one month you have to re-apply already. Its water beading effect is not as strong as other Meguiar's product too. As for dust attraction, I deem it attracts dust quite easily, but I think that is then nature of most carnauba wax product.
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Yes, I always thought synthetic waxes are better in handling dust than carnauba and longer lasting too. But in terms of warmth, the carnauba cannot be beaten. The Ultimate Wax looks quite good actually combining strengths from synthetic and carnauba.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 26 2014, 09:56 PM)
If we define SEALANT as something contains absolutely no natural wax content in its composition, and WAX as something consists of naturally occurring wax substance such as carnauba wax up to certain % ratio (you can never have 100% carnauba wax, because it is a solid, unusable). Then, by this definition (only by this definition), Meguiar's Ultimate Wax is a sealant, not a wax, though it has the word "wax" printed on its bottle for marketing purpose.
I actually read from Meguiar's forum that this is indeed the intended purpose because if they label it as sealant, most likely the sales will not be as good as now as average joe consumer do not understand sealant as well as wax.
Meguiar's NXT Wax by this definition is also a sealant, which Meguiar's has agree on this statement in their forum, the word WAX printed on the bottle is solely for marketing purpose.

Nevertheless, you do not have to agree on this definition. There is no detailing police who legislates the use and definition of various terminology in detailing.
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I always associate wax as oily / greasy. With the Ultimate Wax, I thought the applicator and microfibre cloth was a little oily. Will check it out.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 26 2014, 09:56 PM)
Post some pics bro.
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My cars are picture shy. blush.gif Will try and take some.

Anyway, a question to all hobbyist detailers. What's your take on the current water situation? Wash or don't wash your cars? sweat.gif

My conscience is pricking me. Perhaps I should seriously look into ONRs.
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post Feb 28 2014, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Feb 27 2014, 11:21 PM)
I don't know about others, but I think DIY Detailers use way less water compared to Carwash tepi jalan. I only wash my car 3 somethimes 4 weeks once with proper water and car shampoo. The rest of the time QD and Quik Wax.
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3 to 4 weeks only wash once? Wah... notworthy.gif

QUOTE(KrisMas @ Feb 27 2014, 11:47 PM)
First step to conserve water without sacrificing the cleanliness of your car....use a pressure washer. It consume far less water than normal garden hose. Not to mention it could also clean your tyres, wheel wells and the underbody far more effectively than using normal hose+chemicals+brush.

scoutfai I do have some rinseless in my stash...but they're my personal ones and not for sale....hehehe....sorry, DG rinseless aren't in my friend's list also....
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You're right. Pressure washer uses less water. But the impression you give your neighbours when you use a pressure washer is that it uses lots of water with all that noise and water splash. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(crashhog @ Feb 28 2014, 12:26 AM)
I tried to build a foam gun and FAILED  cry.gif
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I got the same bottle (RM 40 or 50++) but never modified it like you did. Did not venture further since I got a real one from Ebay to fit on my pressure washer.

Maybe insufficient soap dilution or air? Soap mixture too dilute? Ever tried just using concentrated soap with the highest mixture ratio to see if foam is produced?
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post Feb 28 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 28 2014, 08:02 AM)
Never tried using a pressure washer before. Lesson learnt. Thought it going to use more water since from outside looking it seems flowing more water out of the noozle at high speed.
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Yeah, that's why hard to believe eh? If you take out the lance and just use the handle, you can see the water going through the handle unit when the power washer is on is very little. You'll be amazed.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 28 2014, 08:02 AM)
But PW not cheap leh. So many type in the market, different pressure and power rating. What type would be a good one for car enthusiast?
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Not cheap. I use it to clean other stuff as well and that's why justified. laugh.gif Mine's the Karcher K5.700.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 28 2014, 08:06 AM)
So you bought the same bottle with crashhog, his one didn't work, does yours one works?
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No lah. Did not work. I never went beyond modifying it.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 28 2014, 08:06 AM)
I am curious about the internal component of foam gun. Is it possible to dismantle your machine and show some internal components pic? Do not really understand how it produces foam.
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Dare not open it up. But I think it's a trick of pushing enough air inside the nozzle to make up the required foam. The air is the one that a power washer is capable of producing.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Feb 28 2014, 08:08 AM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Never aware Ace Hardware selling such a foam bottle. I am going to check it out soon.
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Garden section.

QUOTE(KrisMas @ Feb 28 2014, 09:34 AM)
Forget about the 'foamer' in ACE. I've tried 3 types: the gilmore, the one shown above and another one which is for cleaning windows or something. What came out was something more like a soap mix (which is what they're suppose to be) instead of foam.

Foam lance internal parts looks like this:

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I think the part that contributed the most for the foam is the one in the red square. It's some sort of compacted metal mesh.

Anyway, you can see the actual parts here.

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=84349
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Yeah, I believe I have somewhat the same one for my Karcher.

After a few tries I gave up on the wannabees and went for the real one.
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QUOTE(windskill @ Feb 28 2014, 08:55 AM)
+1 for TurtleWax Rinseless car wash. Really impressive. The thing is that your MF will be very tough to wash at the end.
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Will try and look for the turtlewax rinseless wash. Speaking about washing microfibre cloth and power washer, I use power washer to clean my mircofibre cloths after each car wash. Most of the time soap is not required. Safe a lot of water and elbow grease but need to be careful if too powerful, microfibre cloth will tear at the edges.
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QUOTE(scoutfai @ Mar 1 2014, 11:27 PM)
I think the more expensive one is having higher pressure (bar). But how do I know how many bar is minimum for average use, and how many is essential only for car wash, and how many is optimum for all round usage like blowing off stubborn moss on floor tile?
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Electric ones are max about 140 barg. Pressure is one thing. Flow rate is another. The higher the flow rate and pressure, the more expensive it becomes. Higher pressure type is usually for professional / industrial usage and are usually gas powered. But nowadays you can even buy the electric powered professional / industrial usage like the Karcher HD series.

The other part of the PW equation is the different lances. There are normal ones like the Vario Power lance is for washing normal stuff and the more powerful type for washing stubborn dirt on walls, roof tiles and floors is with the Dirtblaster lance. That one can rip your skin from your flesh.

http://www.karcher.co.uk/uk/Onlineshop/Hom..._Lances_PPC.htm

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Mar 1 2014, 11:27 PM)
Because I am very sure if I was to buy a PW, then my mom going to ask me can she use to wash toilet, then my dad going to ask me can he use to blow floor tile, wall moss, etc.
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laugh.gif That's what I do lah. Wash car porch, windows, unclogging drains etc. But not toilet lah. How to wash toilet if upstairs? But if you're going to be doing those stuff, you need a slightly higher rated PW. The less than RM 500 Karcher PW series are for light duty stuff.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Mar 1 2014, 11:27 PM)
For me, I am definitely just going to use it to wash car, foam cannon, blow carpet, blow wheel, blow engine compartment only.
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Engine compartment preferably use normal water garden water hose pressure. Dangerous to use PW as it can make water go into places you do not want it to go.

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post Mar 3 2014, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(scoutfai @ Mar 2 2014, 10:06 AM)
Thanks for the valuable input man.
Then I think I should target at the PW that is same as your model at least.

When you said gas powered PW, do you mean those air compressor tank that we usually saw in tyre shop?
Any hardcore amateur detailer here having such a machine at your home for personal use?  tongue.gif
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Gas / engine powered type of power washers are rare and expensive and bloody powerful. Up to 200 barg pressure delivery. rclxub.gif

Your paint and tires will also dilaminate.

QUOTE(scoutfai @ Mar 2 2014, 09:11 PM)
fuel powered power washer? mean engine driven?
wow, is like carrying a generator like in pasar malam?
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They have wheels on it. No problem to shift it around if you have the space.

QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Mar 2 2014, 10:56 PM)
Actually I find it rather ... funny.

During water rationing, does it means that if someone use less water, those guys without water will get water supply faster?

Also, you use water you pay... If you use less water, SYABAS will pay you back ke?

I'm just curious why it is so obvious that it was their mistake, but someone else have to suffer?????

Anyway, I just washed my car .... with water.  biggrin.gif

Now the haze is back, with the occasional rain, it makes your car dirty much faster.
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LOL

Actually by right, nobody can stop you from doing anything you wish to the water that you pay. The only thing that will stop you to consider and pull you back is your own CONSCIENCE.

We know as with all things bad, it's bad management and that's why we still live in Malaysia. sweat.gif

QUOTE(cashloke @ Mar 2 2014, 11:20 PM)
Outside is a Styrofoam and inside is a cage made from the house door grill. And YES... inside those layers of protection lies my pressure washer. Lazy to bring out so many tools , so fixed everything on the wall.lol. I even modified the hose so it is long enough to wash the porch too.just switch on power and water and shoot away.
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I saw a friend's house before that had a power washer permanently fixed onto a corner with the tap. And that's how I got the idea to get myself one actually. But mine's not in a fixed position. Even though the K.5700 has a 9m hose (which I like), I still need it to be mobile to reach places like high windows and gutters.

Anyway, these power washers are water cooled but still aren't you afraid of overheating the power washer with that kind of enclosure?

QUOTE(silverwave @ Mar 3 2014, 10:22 AM)
Hi, there were some corrosive bird droppings on the car and i tried to use polish/wax/scratch remover to get rid of it but it became worst (there might be fine dust on the cloth too i guess). Any suggestions on how to remove the fine scratches? Although it's not so obvious and can been seen at certain angles only, i feel sad  tongue.gif
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Those fine swirl is very easy to get rid off if you have the right tools.

A cheap and quick solution if you already have a normal drill is to get the small 125mm Bosch sponge that looks like this;

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Ace Hardware sells them for RM 23 if I'm not wrong. It comes packaged in a box.

Attach to the end of a drill bit (spinning motion, not in hammer mode), put a few drops of Meguairs Swirl X, Scratch X or Ultimate Polish Compound on the sponge and polish on the surface that has those fine scratches.

Be careful not to over do it. No excessive force required. Control the speed of the rotation with the the drill trigger. After running over the surface back and forth for 10 to 15 seconds, stop and check to see the condition of the scratches. Repeat a few times when required.

I personally use this method when I'm doing localised spot correction and don't want to mess with bringing out the RB. Some times if not careful, a big and powerful tool like the RB can do more damage that is not intended when you just need a simple solution.

I actually got the Meguairs DA Power System. Expensive but ok lar if you want to do small spot correction. But the correction power is slower because it's a DA.

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Mar 4 2014, 09:53 AM)
Today's rain is an LSP KILLER!!! Beading on MY WHOLE car just went flat...including vertical panels too.... cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Cannot check out myself. Have not washed my cars for more than a week.

What are you using as LSP?

Anyway, I think it's a fantastic idea for those intending to strip their waxes off their cars. Just leave their cars in this type of rain. laugh.gif j/k
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QUOTE(scoutfai @ Mar 5 2014, 07:27 AM)
I never been to Thailand before. I think I will not purposely go there for a polisher purchase too. Thailand famous for something elsebrows.gif
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For car show lah. tongue.gif

Will try and check it out in April when I'm there. Hopefully the political situation will be better.
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QUOTE(AndrewTan @ Mar 5 2014, 08:46 PM)
Hi all,

I have submit my loan for my dream car Mazda 6, but there are a lot of complaints about wind noise issues.

Does anyone of you encounter the same issues?

Does the noise level is greater than your previous car?

Really need advise on this..

Appreciated in advance for all response. smile.gif

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AndrewTan ah... Why are you posting a Mazda question in a detailing thread? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(cashloke @ Mar 7 2014, 09:37 AM)
The little drizzling last week cause havoc on the front screen. Water mark all over, What step should I start first?
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I take it there were no water marks before this?

Then the water marks that occur after the recent short rain is not a serious one in my opinion. If normal washing cannot, then try claying.
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Mar 23 2014, 10:08 AM)
Hi guys, any idea how to remove this type of stain? I suspect it's caused by dried chemical on the surface.
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Looks like some kind of oil stain?

Tried to clay yet?
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QUOTE(superb999 @ Mar 27 2014, 03:07 PM)
Im interested if the price is attractive enough.
Alternatively do u wanna get Flex? Should be cheaper than Rupes i believe
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The Flex XC3401 is cheaper? I'm interested.
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QUOTE(cashloke @ Apr 9 2014, 11:14 PM)
Kamasutra ideolgy for car wash:
1) Arouse it with spray of water to loosen up.
2) Gently stroke it with a mitt and shampoo.The more lubricity the better.
3) After climax…! Wash it with water and dry up for further usage…!!!
Care to change or edit it to make it better? English not good…!!!
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I skip #2 most of the time. I find the power washer is strong enough to loosen up the dirt without soap. With 1 step less, I use less water to rinse the soap off.

Wheels a little more difficult and I soap it most of the time because it really gets dirty. Power washer helps a lot. If the car body is really dirty, I snow foam and leave it to dwell for a few minutes before I hose down with power washer.

These days because of the limited time I have, I use a blower to dry most parts of the car especially in between doors, mirror crevices and the wheels. I still use microfibre towel to dry the body.
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QUOTE(N33d @ Apr 22 2014, 05:45 PM)
feel free to do that provided wax used is pure wax,  ie no cleaner/polish wax or All in One
Btw guys,
Mind to intro some all purpose cleaner(APC) that you are using to strip wax/bug/tar and where to get it?
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Strip wax? Dish washing liquid.

Bug / Tar remover? Sifu KrisMas recommends Zippo cigarette lighter fluid or diesel. You can also use clay.
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QUOTE(Kumar_46 @ May 2 2014, 10:50 AM)
Hi guys,I want to buy polishing compund and polish.i already own a buffing machine and use to work in paint shop many years ago.Back then I would use
autocolour compound and meguiars m85 and finally m83.Do this product still available if don't what other products you guys will recommend.Thanks and its just for my prime mover😊
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M85 and M83 is considered old school. biggrin.gif I still have a lot of M80 left. Don't know what to do with it since you now have many new products from Meguairs available. So many products, too little days to work on cars. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ May 6 2014, 08:39 AM)
Not sure whether you can get the OC or CQuartz locally, but I'm sure you can can get DDJ Infinity Sealant from the DDJ Malaysia and I 'heard' that it's currently selling at a reduced price...just had a brief TT with him a couple of days ago while picking up a few stuffs from him.... tongue.gif
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They have a shop or just operate online business? There's an address on their FB though.
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ May 7 2014, 09:24 AM)
Erm...get in touch with him in fb la. Nice guy to deal and chat with. If it does matter, personally, he's a trusted seller....well....at least by me la.
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Sorry. Paiseh, I don't have FB. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(dodojuicekl @ May 7 2014, 10:36 AM)
Hi jchue73,

No don't have a shop just online for now. Just PM me if you need anything or just wanna find out more on any of the Dodo Juice and Supernatural range of products.
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Thanks man. I'll send you a PM you soon. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(scoutfai @ May 27 2014, 07:47 AM)
This bucket from TESCO also can use the grit guard sold by bro KrisMas, or to be exact the grit guard from the USA grit guard.com
My typical washing routine items:
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Now using 4 buckets system, 2 for wheels 2 for body.
But I am interested with your bucket. Where do you get it? It looks like it was originally used to fill other chemical stuff like paint.
I was once searching for it but could not find it. Then I accidentally came across this tesco bucket, I even bring my grit guard to test.
The bucket from tesco 5 gallons, less than RM10 if I recall correctly.
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I always question the need for grid guard. I make a habit to wash off the microfibre cloth / sponge outside before I dip into a pail with soap or water. In fact, I don't use a pail even. After every panel, I wash the microfibre cloth / sponge.

But before doing all that, I make sure I power wash the panels so that all stuck debris are off. Depending on how dirty the car is, I sometimes go without soap. If soap required, I apply via foam lance with the help of my power washer.

QUOTE(KrisMas @ May 28 2014, 09:33 AM)
You could try checking out DeWalt DWP849X too. Brand new are priced at around RM650.
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Does it have soft start like the Makita?

QUOTE(roxx @ May 28 2014, 11:09 AM)
Yup.. Was thinking either dewalt or makita.. But i think i'll go for makita since i have makita rotary h/drill and cutter might as well get it complete..

Check with the shop that ive been regularly bought makita product said that for 9227c the best she can give RM850.. Since budget is limited thus looking for another option.. smile.gif

One of the shop supplier told me that makita 9227c had 2 version.. Fully imported from japan and manufactured in china.. Is this true?
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Yeah, I got my 9227c for around the same price too. Pretty fixed.

QUOTE(KrisMas @ May 28 2014, 11:40 AM)
As far as I know that's just about true. But my version of the story is that it's not 2 versions...it's more like it was previously from Japan but the new ones are now from China. The Japan one has M16 thread and the China one has M14 thread. Mine is the 'old' one and says Made in Japan....I can't remember whether the new one got the 'Made in China' on the label or not.
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Didn't know that. I think my unit must be Made In China then since it's new and I did not have to replace any nut or use an adaptor to fit my backplates since I remember reading that you need to change it to M14. Will check when I go back.
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ May 28 2014, 02:40 PM)
Here we go. This was during one of those gathering that we had. Comparing the few machines. Courtesy from one of the kakis.

http://youtu.be/ZLH2CGj0G7o
There is not really a NEED for the grit guard. But it saves that little hassle that you'd need to go through tho......
Yes it has the soft start. But a little different from the Makita. This DeWalt got a little more torque so it got that initial 'jerk' (like when you lift off a stiff/short clutch on a car) before it slowed back down. When it's in rev, then it's all well like the Makita.
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Thanks for the info. Yeah for some people it may save them the hassle but would be worse for those who use 1 cloth for each panel, right? brows.gif Anyway for me, I personally dislike the idea of using same water I wash the cloth again and again even though with grit guard. I rather know that the water I wash with is fresh and clean and does not have the possibility to be contaminated.

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