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 Insurance Talk V2, Anything and everything about insurance

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adele123
post Mar 21 2015, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Mar 21 2015, 10:10 PM)
To summarize:

Death : can claim multiple

Medical Claim : only from 1 insurance, if insurance max out, can claim diff from next insurance

Permanent Disabilities : ?
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this is not a good summary...

Life related insurance (and applies to TPD), can claim however much you bought... Why? because we can't exactly value a human's life.

Non-life insurance, such as car, fire, medical... all these is on REIMBURSEMENT basis. insurance company is to compensate such that you were no better or worse off than before the event happen (barring any exclusions, t&c). We can value the damage to a car/house/hospital bill/lorry/motorcycle.
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post Mar 21 2015, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Mar 21 2015, 11:29 PM)
Sorry, I meant to summarize on whether multiple claims
(for the same incidence, e.g. kematian, jari tercabut, hidung tercampak)are allowed or not.
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what you mean by multiple claims is what? claims from multiple policies? can't claim multiple death right? tongue.gif

Life related insurance (and applies to TPD), can claim however much you bought... 100 or 1000 policies. Why? because we can't exactly value a human's life. THIS applies to Personal Accident (which include your missing finger and missing hand and missing toe and etc.). so yes, claim from all policies is do-able... reason as explained.

Non-life insurance, such as car, fire, medical... all these is on REIMBURSEMENT basis. insurance company is to compensate such that you were no better or worse off than before the event happen (barring any exclusions, t&c). We can value the damage to a car/house/hospital bill/lorry/motorcycle. so yes, claim once in simple language.

actually i did summarize just i didn't make it easier to understand..

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post Mar 23 2015, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(RockHEad28 @ Mar 22 2015, 08:00 PM)
Thanks. You made it clear for me. Just to summarize, "Smart Extender" is a additional rider of RM900,000 medical coverage which can be claim in full even when the premium i paid is very low?

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Actually although i don't know the actual cost of insurance, a friend was agent actually told me about it... it's not exactly something dirt cheap. everything comes with a cost.

the fact that this policy is attached to an investment-linked gives the illusion that you pay the same amount every year. your cash value will be depleted later on.
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post Mar 24 2015, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(joachim7615 @ Mar 23 2015, 11:22 PM)
Hi,

I am not sure if this is being discuss before (didnt read all the msg in this thread), but i will need some advice here.....

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Note that if you read a few post up someone posted some explanation on GE’s Medical Card that you are wondering about the 990k annual limit. It is 990k, no joke there but like I said, it comes with a cost. It seems low for those in their 20s or 30s but it will increase exponentially, like every medical card out there.

Maybe for normal Tom and Harry, who doesn’t really know how investment-linked insurance really work will wonder why I can pay the same premium get much better benefit. To cut to the chase, the premium you pay isn’t the actual cost of insurance. The cost of insurance will be deducted from your investment. And when your investment is not sufficient, you will need to top up on top of your premium. (I hope this answer why same premium can buy different things) If not, other forummers especially the agents can try.

As long as you did not hide any health information with the intention to lie, insurance company will pay. After all, there are bodies like LIAM or even BNM who monitors all these life insurance company. One shouldn’t paranoid about claim approval. It’s a heavily regulated industry.

ALSO the address your first statement, keep in mind that insurance companies do come up with new products, then obviously the old products will be shelved. Now, I’m not sure if you are confused, but say if the company withdraw the basic plan (your investment-linked plan), there’s no reason why you can’t change your medical… unless they want to withdraw their medical.

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QUOTE(Cutieweiyi @ Mar 28 2015, 12:19 AM)
RM200 insurance policy, after GST it is most likely RM200+6% or RM250+6% ?

what is your opinion ?
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Er... What are you trying to ask?
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post Mar 29 2015, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(Cutieweiyi @ Mar 28 2015, 10:20 AM)
i mean medical insurance or life&medical insurance.

after GST implemented will be the original price+6% or price hike+6%
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there won't be a price hike because of GST... insurance price hike isn't as easy as increasing the price of your nasi lemak.

life insurance is exempted from that 6%. on the other hand, medical is subject to GST.

if there is a price hike most likely due to bad claims experience or other reasons.
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QUOTE(frosteer @ Apr 1 2015, 02:21 PM)
So far, what I know is that Life and Endowment are not subjected to GST.

Critical Illnesses policy also not subjected to GST unless it is added as rider to your ILP.

The rest and the other riders all kena GST.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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it doesn't get GST-ed because it's a rider. it's GST-ed because it's non-life. there are riders that are not PA or health related.

most CI out there in the form of rider. even standalone CI policies should rightfully incur GST.
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QUOTE(LDawgh @ Apr 14 2015, 10:18 PM)
Hi guys....

may i know which life insurance is good?
how about aia? I heard aia is the best.
But my friend told me prudential is popular..
huhuhuhuhu....I can pay RM250/monthly & Im 29 years oldCan anyone advice?
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it's like asking whether which stall/restaurant has better nasi lemak.

they are all same same but different. no doubt the top 3 (and in order) are GE, prudential and AIA. doesn't mean the rest of the 11 sucks.

find out what you want, talk to agents, ask questions here (cause here is good place for 2nd opinion) and decide some on yourself.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 15 2015, 11:39 AM)
rclxms.gif  frank, direct and simple answer.

btw, you are in this industry right...
just assume you sat next table to some insurance guy talking to a potential client...you are listening to the talk.
what is the criteria, step or approach be for the insurance guy should do, to enable you to decide whether he is doing it right?
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spotted by uncle looi.

Good question. Not easy to answer. I haven’t hear enough yet, over my short working years. But I try to spot if they use words like interest, savings, etc. or stupid concept like buy younger is cheaper, especially when they are selling ILP, etc… or the worst part is mis-sell savings plan like investment tool, etc… no doubt savings plan is a financial planning tool but often misguided by agents.

The worst I’ve heard is… this is not insurance plan. This was cold calling to my family members.

No doubt, I have to admit, insurance companies seem to think that the tom and harry out there seems to understand those languages used in the marketing material and be able to understand fully what they are buying. So I understand, as a normal consumer is really hard to get a good grasp but at least get a basic idea. Never buy things because people say you should. If one should not invest in what one doesn’t know, then one should also not buy insurance that one doesn’t have at least some basic understanding.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 15 2015, 03:48 PM)
rclxms.gif thanks for the response.
found this new website..just launched on 7 Apr
pls review and advise if it is useful to laymen in Malaysia?
what is the % of relevancy in Malaysia context?
http://www.comparefirst.sg/wap/homeEvent.action
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quick glance nothing looks irrelevant because the content is relatively generic. but a bit too bland and technical in my opinion.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 16 2015, 08:59 AM)
rclxms.gif thanks for the input.
wah...if with insurance knowledge called it blant and technical...what would a non insurance guy call it? Pening?
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i mean, it's dry and technical for layman. to me, it is normal... my view of other person reading is technical lo. haha
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QUOTE(johnchew91 @ May 6 2015, 11:11 PM)
Maxis Insurance Personal Accident (Only applicable for maxis user). RM60 annually for RM180,000 coverage.. So much difference from AIA in terms of cost..

https://www.maxis.com.my/en/personal/servic...l-accident.html

How is it different from other insurance companies?
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IT IS still UNDERWRITTEN by insurance companies. LOL. obviously maxis doesn't and can't sell insurance.

maxis PA is underwritten by ace jerneh, a general insurance company. for RM60 covering RM180k is relatively quite cheap, but as pointed out, very little coverage. it's the same for insurance as well, pay more get more. the question is, do you need the more?
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QUOTE(frosteer @ May 21 2015, 11:11 PM)
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even if your quotation said it won't lapse, doesn't mean it won't in real life. quotation is an estimation.

if for whatever reason anybody needs money, investment-linked insurance cash value can be withdrawn. doesn't have to be a full surrender. but given someone who buys at 54... the cash value won't accumulate to much. Charges will be too high.
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QUOTE(vez @ Jun 15 2015, 08:41 PM)
i am going to surrender my 9 years insurance policy, due to i have purchase a new one 6 months ago...

my long long time ago agent told me just bring my policy to AIA and do the surrender process, is it that simple? i just have some doubt it will be so easy lol

Thanks.
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yes it is convenient. however i like to ask... why??? it is usually not to your advantage to cancel and purchase another new one.
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QUOTE(vez @ Jun 17 2015, 03:50 PM)
my old plan 150 a month is medical+investment, bought 9 years ago, now surrender can take back ~RM9k (not much i believe compare to others)
i have a new policy plan that comes with medical and the coverage amount for life time is much more than my old plan 9 years ago... so my old plan medical will be like useless now lol

so i decided to surrender the old plan, i have a new policy bought 6 months ago, so i am about to surrender old policy

i have a question to all sifu here, normally the medical coverage until age 80 or 88? I have heard nowadays until age 88
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actually there are few options. if it's the same company...
a) you can request medical card upgrade. because medical is a 'rider' so you can add and delete anytime
b) cancel your old medical, buy new medical with minimum 'life insurance' portion.

FYI
1. different companies have different coverage range. out there could be up to 80, 88, 90 or 100
2. by cancelling old and buying new, you are essentially paying commission for the 2nd time. and 9 or 10 years down the road you cannot repeat such actions again and cancel old and pay commission AGAIN. agents the winner here, not you not the insurance company. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(raul88 @ Jun 23 2015, 08:37 AM)
Hi

Need some input

Looking for insurance for myself

I'm in a huge dilemma as I'm a doctor in gov hosp
for the most part,I think I can get treatment from my employer
However, u never know in the future

Hence I'm looking for some insurance coverage
Not looking for expensive/full extensive benefit

Need insurance with cheap monthly premium so that doesn't burden me so much

I just cannot put all my egg in one basket
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actually if you can a life + early CI + advanced CI + medical... that's about quite comprehensive.

you can go for lower amounts of coverage to avoid overpaying for it. but the combination above is what i see most agents recommend anyway.

Edit: should be doable with 150-200 a month. need agents to quote for you. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(brotan @ Jun 22 2015, 11:34 AM)
hi all,

i already got insurance policy in the past but since now i am in my 40, i want to realign (will surrender some policy + maybe buy new ones) based on my needs

need some advice

i want only term policy with no surrender vallue. i believe i have enough savings for my family to live one if my life was taken earlier but will still have some TPD or early death as well. So, currently looking to concentrate more on medical + TPD

I plan to cancel all policy that i have except 1x TPD because most are with cash value

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What i plan to keep

1) About rm 20 per month term insurance - RM 100k coverage for death + TPD

What i need

1) add another RM 200k coverage for TPD and death - term only
2) some coverage for medical (i don't need fancy add on like high end hospital bed, etc). amount unsure yet - term only

can someone advice what's the best value package out there?
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for what you need
1) https://uforlife.com.my/ they sell what is commonly available overseas. yearly renewable term. so... premium increases and no surrender value. can terminate anytime.
2) medical coverage you can go for standalone medical card. you need not specify 'term only' for medical products cause they are on a yearly renewable basis as well. i bought standalone medical for my mum. the trick here is probably finding the right insurance company giving standalone medical card that fits your budget and your intended coverage.

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QUOTE(adrianteo @ Jun 24 2015, 05:20 PM)
Lol. I'm not really interested with the returns tbh. I'm more interested in saving up somewhere else apart from FD.

Or maybe anyone can share their experience in investment-linked plan?
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you sure? not really interested in returns?

i think you need to sit down and think about it. there are investment-linked plan. there are endowment par plans. endowment par plans are what the people traditionally called as savings product, your force saving.
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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jul 8 2015, 01:23 PM)
The 5 years guarantee say in event I can't pay the insurance and fund value not enough my policy is still working for 5 years. That's what I understand la.
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The 5 years guarantee is provided you keep paying premium, but say the fund value not enough to support the insurance charge then your policy will not lapse.

Quite many companies are offering this feature though may not be as long as 5 years.

QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jul 8 2015, 01:17 PM)

2) Regarding APCC critical care got this clause:

""In the event of being diagnosed with any one of the 36 covered criticall illness, the APCC Sum Assured and the Anniversary Bonus shall be payable, except for Angioplasty and other Invasive Treatments for Major Coronary Artery Disease."

"In the event of Angioplasty and Other Invasive Treatments for Major Coronary Artery Disease, 10% of the APCC Sum Assured shall be payable, subject to
a maximum of RM 25,000 (limited to 1 payment only). The APCC Sum Assured shall be reduced by this advance payment."

Why is it only cover 10%? the remaining not pay me? Other insurance is it better got pay full?

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only Angioplasty is limited to 10% subject to Max RM25k. It's standard industry practice.

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jul 8 2015, 04:48 PM)
I saw in papers today ge goy rm100 for 1m Coverage?  True?
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Yes and no.

the advert says RM100 for 1M medical coverage extension. the word here being extension.

I don’t know explain in simple language… it gives you additional coverage hence the word extension but not really 1mil coverage per se.

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