Well said pizzaboy. There's a difference between strength and endurance. Compare 2 martial arts exponents. One who does strength training and the other who doesn't. I'll bet you any damn day that the one who weight trains will KICK the ass of the one who doesn't, provided they are both on the same skill level.
It just irks me to hell when people come in and talk smack about bodybuilding and strength training when they obviously don't know anything about it.
Probably because they've been doing nothing but chest and biceps every day and whining about no growth when they're obviously overtraining.

um, 10kg? malaysia's military must be severely lacking in supplies. a normal soldier(US army/marines, GI basicly) carries around 50-70lbs, what the hell happened to your friend's rifle and plate carrier, coms, ammo? the first 2 alone would have put him over 10kg.

my friend is learning self defense from an ex-commando, he says the commandos learn to eat insects and can see behind them using chi.

our military isnt tougher than uk's army if all we're carrying is 10kg of gear.

yup

those of us with martial arts experience know balance of the 3 is important.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Jun 23 2006, 12:16 PM

OT:
commandos can see behind using chi?

commandos doesn't only learn to eat insects... they will have to learn to eat anything that can help them to survive... including worms, maggots or even dead carcass

thats what they say... apparently its supposed to be part of the 6th sense thing, you know how you get that feeling when someone watches you long enough? same thing, multiplied.

i've eaten maggots before... dont taste all that bad fried. hate grasshopers though, all crunchy with their legs and wings and ugh...**shivers**

Hey..... insects are high in protein.

Oh, that's in RMC, kids 13/14 years old did that.

The plain simple fact is, if you don't have videos or articles to back up your statements...... don't even bother.
The fact is, you came in and deliberately insinuated that bodybuilders/powerlifters are weak and cosmetic, hence the deliberate insult to our lifestyle.
I don't get it, you friend says this, your friend says that. Ask him to take a video of his strength feats.
Videos (actual proof) > E-stats.

Everyone can brag about how much they lift, how tough they are, but at the end of the day, those claims are nothing without videos.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 23 2006, 05:54 PM

WCW Scott Steiner, big arm but damn weak (Ada gaya, tak ada mutu.)

WWE Kurt Angle, small size but strong, can carry Big Show (500 Pounds).

thats for entertainment onli lor....got rumors say they prefer ex-WCW to look weaker~~


Chow.

genki sudou, not all that big but would probably beat them both in a real fight

anyone watch the genki sudo vs butterbean fight, damn that was some funny shit.

eta: here we go, this is why boxers should stick to fighting against boxers.
http://youtube.com/watch?search=genki+sudo...n&v=lthhFU0pXuc

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Jun 23 2006, 10:58 PM

You're sure u've eaten maggots before? Or did u confuse with bamboo worms?

it was maggots, a guy on the internet was saying that he runs a shop selling cooked insects and such with chocolate or ice cream and that maggots were pretty good fried in sesame oil and how i should try it. i decided to try it since a friend bet i wouldnt be able to eat the maggots. my friend supplied the maggots, i supplied the oil and he did the frying. i ate 1 and decided to stop because he asked "wanna know where i got the maggots from?", i really should have thought about that before eating the maggot but i got $500 out of it so i dont really care.

eta: edit to clarify incident to avoid misunderstandings.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Jun 23 2006, 11:50 PM

I prefer fitness.
does not really into this muscle building

even pay me RM1 million I won't be a bodybuilder.

Just be fit and healthy is enough for me.

I'm not criticising bodybuilders.

Just not really into it.

if want to improve your speed, first you need to have strong motor (your muscle) so that you can do the acceleration.

Velocity (v) and acceleration (a) is totally different thing. To have more explosive move, you need to have more explosive muscle to do the explosion. just apply the physic into it;

a=v/t, (t=time)
F=ma, (m=mass, F=force)

That's why sprinter will always have bigger muscle than marathon runner. So that they can run faster.

To be honest with you, if you want to be fit and healthy, you must at first to join the bodybuilding. Because fit and healthy is part of the bodybuilding, you need to have the knowledge of bodybuiling to know what fit and healthy is. It is like you say you want to know how to jump without knowing the rest, but you dont even know how to run at the first place, then how you want to jump?

Bodybuilding is a very wide range of body knowledge. It is almost same as human anatomy study. It is not only about carry heavy weight, and eat anything that in front of you. You need to know how to do it correctly, what to eat correctly. And it is not easy to grow lean and big without proper knowledge, and you dont hope you can grow big or fit or healthy just by eating pure protein everyday. World dont go around that easily without any other factors and variables.

It is ok to set your goal as you want to be fit and healthy. But also dont because of that goal and you neglect other knowledge and it might limit yourself to your goal. Who knows you might end up changing your mindset and your goal.

I prefer endurance. However, i think gym is good for strengthening purpose.
I also dun wan to build mass muscle (those very huge muscles) but a lean (is lean and tone the same?) type would be nice.
of coz different people have diff interests/preferences.

I wonder does those marathoners and also triathletes go to gym regularly or they just devote their time to running and cross-training only?

yeah yeah. pfft.

High level athletes engage only in very specific functional training. Going to the gym would be a waste of time and even detrimental to their training. Marathon runners do not go to the gym. If they do, it would be a waste of time. They engage specifically in improving their endurance and lactic acid tolerance. Going to the gym to build muscle would be harmful to their performance as it would increase the bulk they would have to carry and besides, if they ever got big in the first place, they will lose it soon enough right after their first endurance training session.

This applies to triathletes too, as it's also an endurance sport but triathletes who frequents the gym to improve their upper body strength is not unheard of.

Anyway, it doesn't matter whether it's Bruce Lee's physique or Brad Pitt's or Arnold Susahnakeja's physique, it would be the same identical path you have to go through. There's no such thing as I want lean muscle so I go lift weights my mother can rep for 50 reps. It's still the same lift heavy weights get out of your comfort zone process. You grow very little each time you go to the gym. It's the constant process of living out of the comfort zone and progressively growing week by week that gives Bruce Lee/Brad Pitt/Arnold their physique.

not true, to be healthy one does not require body building. they simply need to exercise and maintain a healthy diet and lifestyle. he does not want to gain weight not bulk up, he simply wants to get into decent shape and get rid of the extra fat. he does not need to start body building to achieve this.


a gym =/= a place to bulk up, a gym is simply a place for you to exercise wether your purpose is to bulk up or run marathons or whatnot does not matter at an amature level. the gym simply supplies the facilities for you to use.

all professional level athletes have personal or team gym's for upper body training. sprinters have weight training to increase the capacity(right word for this? ) of their leg and upper body muscles, i'm sure all runners have some sort of training which incorperates weights and such.
theres alot more than just running when it comes to competition level running, even highschool field and track teams have weight training.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Jun 24 2006, 12:54 PM

My meaning of bodybuilding is not totally on weightlifting, it also consist of the understanding of bodybuilding like what is the body metabolism, protein that needed for the body and a lot more. If want healthy and do exercise only, i dont think that's enough for these days especially the outside food or the ingredient that you get from it. A lot of people think they are living healthily like their day-all-meal eat or drink fruit juice, some i even heard of they say they are healthy because they have plain roti canai for their meal. From which i think they dont really understand how exactly the body support to work. For me, the bodybuilder is the world most concern about their body's person, they can really fully understood their body and how it suppose to work. But of course not all bodybuilders are the same. Some just simply do powertraining, bulking or a lot more.

This is just my 2 cent.