A friend of mine told me that Body building is like cosmetics, mean just like girls do for beauty but no power.

Strenght building is for power.

fitness building is to be healthy and strong.

Toughness building is like going for commando traning.

In your opinion which is better.

brother....body building = cosmetics?? just try to lift 20 kgs of barbells each and you see what is body building..don't always listen to friend lah...try goggling yourself...everything also "friend say, friend say". No opinion, kah?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/index.html

aiyo... dun become so mad, he just asking.. . but wat loki said is true... not easy to build our body, need a lot of effort

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrmSoPKgYEs

Oh shit. Then i better stop my powerlifting/bodybuilding since i'm lifting very light weights. I got no strength or power.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 22 2006, 11:30 PM

Girls don't really like bulky and muscular men they prefer the lean and tall type...

I disagree. You don't know how wrong you are mate.

Hmm.....your sig seems to say otherwise....

Granted yes. The point is, i do bodybuilding for myself, and not to impress other women. But it doesn't mean i don't have many female friends. How are you with women? Just curious. If you don't have the means to back up your statement about women not prefering muscular guys, i don't think you should assume anything in the first place.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 23 2006, 12:16 AM

umm cosmetics? sry but... your friend is dumb. have someone like say... darklight(sry cant think of anyone else atm ) slap him hard in the face and see if he still thinks its cosmetics.

your equations are kinda well wierd, all athletes are fit doesnt matter if they are weight lifters or marathon runners.

if we follow your logic that there are three types of training then they should read: speed, endurance, power.

speed being sprinters

endurance being long distance runners

and power being heavy weight lifters


toughness doesnt fit in here, while toughness can to an extent come from body building and such, alot of it is about training your mind and body to react to pain differently. someone who's 6ft and weighs 240lbs of pure muscle from body building might have a lower pain threshold than a 6ft 150lbs guy who is actively involved in martial arts where hard full contact sparring is the norm.

one is conditioned to withstand pain while the other is not.

my opinions are based on personal experience and should not be taken as anything other than that, personal opinion. to be taken with grain of salt, stir well.

Lol at the example. I get what you're saying. Thanks.
Let me tell you guys out there who just think bodybuilding is for cosmetics.
--------------> Bodybuilding is a LIFESTYLE, not just something done on the side. The discipline is there 24/7. You're in the gym, you're bodybuilding, when you're out of the gym, you're STILL bodybuilding. It's 70% diet, 30% the rest.
Watching what you eat outside the gym is also bodybuilding, constantly making sure you consume enough calories and watching your macronutrients is bodybuilding. So are making use of recovery methods and applying science and theories such as periodization, concepts of muscular, fibrillar and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is part of bodybuilding.
What? Those people who think bodybuilding is so easy assume we just go to the gym, pump iron and get out? Sheesh.... But then, i guess the majority would never understand us because the people who appreciate bodybuilding contests are also those who bust their damn asses in the gym. They know how hard it is attaining those physiques on the stage. Please don't assume bodybuilders lift LIGHT weights.
Take football, some of you love watching it, but it doesn't mean you have to play football to enjoy watching the game right?
'Nuff said.

Btw, there are many women who like muscular guys. You just haven't met them, that's why a few individuals in this thread make assumptions.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 23 2006, 12:39 AM

This friend of mine is from military. They say body builders are not that strong. he told me he seen his member(which is small, and not muscular with spare tyre) could carry weight more than bodybuilders. Running 20km with weights of 10kg(the intercom, water bottle, etc acceesories, boots), bla bla.. comando stories.

With his commando stories(you guys must know right? long story), they are doing the painful, tough activities that I think most human cannot do.

It is said that our military is more tough than UK's army. ST, herst.

LMAO!!! Prepare to get owned!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS0GGC_LD2U...0lifting%20lift

^^^^^^^^
These guys in the video are powerlifters AND bodybuilders and they can carry more weights than your friend EVER will. And there are skinny guys in there who still can own your "army friend"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSNvEpH2L1o...onnie%20coleman

Ronnie Coleman, leg pressing 2300lbs, again, more than your friend will ever lift.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wIX5v4_V4o...onnie%20coleman

Again, same as line above.

You have no facts to back up your statements. Show me videos, show me articles, show me proof, then come back and argue.
Quit talking smack till you come up with a video or a picture.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 23 2006, 01:36 AM

haha....so..this one is from army eh...
got one fren from ATMA also
so syiok listen to his stori......expecially comando one....
u have to live in a jungle nekid in a month duration~~ with onli a knife, rope and 3 matches....(commando survival training)

p/s: they r super human~ ~
Chow.

This post has been edited by bata: Jun 23 2006, 01:33 AM

Yah, i bet living in a jungle naked for a month carrying a knife, rope and 3 matches make them really strong. Haha.

It really depends on own interest...

I'll go for fitness ... well define muscles but not too bulky ..
Too bulky will slow you down in sports ...

Not really. An article from a US friend of mine.

What is up with people and their constant need to perpetuate the "muscle/speed" myth?

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So I have a friend who blogged about weight training in his blog thing. He is primarily a practitioner of Aikido but he is wondering whether he should continue weight training, and this nerd pops in and says "You know, weight trainin's gonna slow you down for Aikido!" And you know the guy hasn't even read an article in men's fitness, he's just parroting some crap he heard elsewhere. I know impliciltly that this is a stupid myth but I am at a loss for the direct science required to disprove it, beyond the physics of F=MA. Especially the biological/neurological aspects. Anyone know that stuff?

I mean even if greater mass IS harder to accelerate, the two are multiplicative, so wouldn't it stand to reason that a practitioner of a non-scored martial art would be interested in greater FORCE production per strike, and therefore the greatest multiplicative value of mass and acceleration? So if mass can be increased (good mass) without too significant of a drop in acceleration, force will go UP and the person will become more powerful and more dangerous. So long as the mass does not drop their acceleration below that of the norm, as far as defense goes, they are good to go.

I know that at some point even muscle slows acceleration, for instance, a very strong, lean horse can't beat a world class sprinter in a 3 meter race. But the assumptions people make about this concept are annoying and ignorant. And up to a certain point, I am quite sure that weight training INCREASES acceleration and allows you to hit faster, especially endurance/circuit training because it allows you to hit quickly with less fatigue.

Have you seen the physiques of sprinters compared to long distance marathon runners? I can tell you that the sprinters are very muscular indeed and they are in no way slow when it comes to doing the 100 metre race.

The main problem with carrying a lot of muscle, when it comes to endurance, is not the greater amount of mass that slows you down, its the inherent difference of the muscle fibers size. The extra bulk is secondary to the real reason why skinny guys can run marathons better than big BBers. But they can't run as fast.

However, obviously there IS a cut off point where mass starts becoming a negative rather than a positive, but the two can work together until a certain degree of mass. It's about prioritising what you want most. Explosive weight lifting movements are great for strength and speed, combining the best of both worlds. I fail to see why anyone would think weightlifting 'slows you down'. Having huge slabs of lets call it 'bodybuilding muscle' would, but if you're training for speed and gaining mass it isn't going to be a problem, only a problem if you're training specifically for mass while trying to get quicker.


This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 23 2006, 01:53 AM

ermm... personally feel that body building make the respond slow down.. wonder is it using the wrong method? i got this feel after gym.. then i don't wan to continue d..

i prefer fitness and the military training mm is better for day use..

Yes, you're using the wrong method. There are programs which enhance performance in sports. You're probably overtraining.

Bodybuilders, not strong? Wakakakaz! Your friend needs to get his definition of "STRONG" checked. Your friend, 20KM, 10KG, isn't much of strength.

It's endurance. It's something you build up, with constant training.

Strength, is more like holding on to something blooming heavy, and being able to control your muscles to the desired motion. Not letting the weight control you

Power, is the ability to explode all your strength and release it in a single movement or repeated with follow ups.

Tat's what my previous tkd master taught me. In martial arts, you want all three.

Anyway, from my personal experience, when I hit 70KG's from my previous 63KG's, I can feel myself kicking harder and faster. Yes, faster. My techniques improved and my stability, better. So yes mister, weightlifting does help.

Frankly, get your friend to arm wrestle a weightlifter, or spar with a weightlifter/martial artist. Or do trialathon against a weightlifter. They're strong aight, trust me there.