yeah we are still in the FA cup, best news for today

Completely agree, straight to the heart of the problem. Although its harsh to say it, but ain't our players is all decent, and some are top class. With all these players in a team, and losing to Hull City in such manners is not acceptable at all. Performance from the players and luck is one thing, while the tactic, formation, 1st-team selection, the bench, the substitution problem shall reflect to the managers. Most importantly, our players lack the mentality to challenge for the title and top four, most of the time I can only see them playing for a draw? The mentality and the passion is all goes back to the manager, how can he encourage the players in the dressing room, how does he address each and everyone.

One more problem still haunts me is the lack of wingers, we sold off Downing, and loan out both Assaidi and Suso when we were lacking wingers.

Although BR did a decent job so far, but yesterday match is totally unacceptable. And yea, I don't think BR is as good as people think he is, atleast judging it until now, not sure in the future. I wont call for his head yet, not until the january transfer and the season end.

This post has been edited by AnythingK: Dec 2 2013, 07:30 PM

It was a pathethic performance last night, almost like watching Roy Hodgson's team all over again.

But let's not knee-jerk too much. We know the squad is work in progress and BR is a human, he is not perfect. The key is improving. Have we improved from last year? I would say yes, the fact that we are still in with a shout at a top four finish in December is proof of that. There are certain things that need improving, but I'm sure BR knows that. I'm sure he realised the mistakes he made and will look to improve on that.

The defeat was not all on the manager, the players are pretty much the main culprit. The lack of desire, motivation and playing like they couldn't give a **** suggest that the players were complacent. Their attitude wasn't right. Other problems are injuries, with Sturridge and Coutinho out, we lacked quality up front. Moses isn't good enough, Sterling has badly stagnated, our centre midfield is hardly offering any kind of shield to our defense. No creativity and practically relying on one man (Suarez) to create something.

I see some are saying that Allen should have played, while I could understand that point, I find it hardly surprising that Allen was dropped. He had a quiet game and missed a sitter last weekend, if you reward the player with another start after that kind of performance, it demotivates other players who are competing for a place. If someone is playing poorly and still keeps his place, it is not good for the motivation of the squad. That is why I can see why BR gave Sterling and Moses a chance. Of course, they ended up playing like **** so I suppose they deserved to be drop for our next match as well. Who do we play now up front? I have no idea, we don't have much choices with Sturridge out. But the point is, if you have a squad, you got to give the squad players a chance. If not all the squad players would be unhappy.

With regards to transfers, I think it is very difficult to get transfers right all the time. Look at Lamela, everyone thought he would be star, he has hardly done anything worthy to note currently for Spurs. Real life is not like the Football Manager game, you can't just take a look at the stats and say oh this player is going to be great. No such thing. It was always a risk. Example Aspas, why sign Aspas? Cause he is supposed to have Suarez-like mentality and is a decent goal scorer in La Liga last season. However, he has so far failed to adapt to BPL. Who could predict that? Not even the best scout could predict how fast a player could settle in a new country. Transfers are always a risk, even the best managers will get it wrong sometimes. BR isn't the best manager around but he is doing a pretty decent job so far I would say.

Guys, how long is Sturridge gonna be out? FPL say return date unconfirmed. Any drillz from liverpool fans?

Dude, you cant just net-spent over 22mil on player transfers and said " OOPS MISTAKEEEEEEE, SORRYYY"

If fans don't ream his a$$...trust me John Henry the man himself will fking do it

Comolli is a living proof to that

In cup competition, generally little chance of good progress with a leaking defence.
Cup competition is one off, so a water tight defence is the key.
0-0 can win you a cup.

I know Bro. That comparison is because I am so mad at the bookies
It's not just bad, it was absolutely crap. They made us look amateurish yesterday

Deeply humiliated. There are games that we lost, like to Arsenal, last season to MU, WBA and Stoke and I am not even that disappointed because i know the boys gave it all they could.

Yesterday and the game against Soton earlier in the season, was total crap. But yesterday was worst. We were beaten by a poor poor poor poor team even when BR said we have top top top top players.

Over the summer, the manager spent 30-40 millions, now said the team lack of quality?
This statement is like insult to those players transferred in for 30-40 millions, as well as to existing players around.

If one manager is working in private sector, and spent those money, and less than 6 months afterwards and telling the company boss, lack of quality (but in reality those are sitting on the bench, instead contributing), see how the boss will react to the manager.

Manager is judged based on judgement in transfer market and ability to utilise the players.
If the manager bought wrongly, aka the money spent become a flop, then it is manager fault.

Moses is brought in by BR, so does Allen, Borini, Sakho, Cisso, Alberto.
In transfer market, I do not dare to say BR done a decent job until so far, apart from Sturridge, Coutinho, and Mignolet, the rest even with >10+ millions transfer, doesn't make into first XI.

Transfer always got risk, yes, but manager is the one responsible for the risk taken.
You can't just say to the boss, opppss, the player cannot adapt, so 15 millions down to the drain.
See how AW, AF even bought some players that can't adapt to PL, yet, it won't affect the team, and never say their team is lack of quality, because this statement is like a big slap on the face of existing players or a way to "look down" on them. Not something doing good for players psychology as well.

If the manager is without much transfer fund like Everton, then may be justify to say the team may lack of depth.
If Everton with limited budget can do well, as well as develop so many young talent, why Liv can't?

So so true, yes, everyone knows there is a certain risk on every transfer, but at the end of the day, its the manager responsibility after all.

Btw, I wont be surprise if we kept this lousy performance for December, and Suarez whining on leaving again. I wont even surprise if he leave during January transfer if we can't maintain at top 4? top5?

The team lack of quality is the lamest excuse. We had spend heavy this season to improve our squad yet BR still complaint we lack of quality. If we really lack of depth, why on earth we spend 18M on a player to sit on bench? why we buy a 6M defender to play in reserve team? and why we sold Downing for just 5M?

I could only summarize yesterday's performance in one word - static.

Lack of movement from every player on the pitch. It was frustrating to see Moses and Sterling running into Hull players time after time while Henderson was with his usual energetic but ultimately lack of attacking motive. Moreover, teams have shown that if you could stay discipline without the ball and press us tightly, we won't be able to get out of our final third. I'm afraid this may be a blueprint for all the lesser teams who face us in upcoming matches. Would the inclusion of Joe Allen made a difference? Frankly, I don't know. But we were crying out loud for a player who could work under pressure and bring the ball out of tight situations. Also, someone like Agger would have been useful, who could be an outlet itself.

Speaking of defense, we've now conceded 6 goals in the last 2 games. Cause for concern?

Personally, I think both BR should shoulder a large portion of the blame. Although I feel that some posters here have been harsh on his transfer dealings (Transfer failures are part and parcel of football. Even the best managers spend a fortune on duds) but it's an inescapable truth that in Aspas and Cissokho, we have 2 backup players who couldn't adapt to the league. If our first choices are injured, they should be able to fill in the gap with some quality but as it stands now, they probably can't last a full match.

Having that said, it's not the end of our season yet although but we have unnecessarily piled pressure onto ourselves. We've got Norwich, West Ham and Cardiff at home and all 3 are must win games now. If we are to reaffirm our flat-track bully status, we have to nab all 9 points, with or without Sturridge. And it's the only way we could keep our top 4 hopes alive, because frankly, I'm a lot less optimistic about the Spurs, City and Chelsea games.

I knew somehow that the early season optimism would soon run its course. Then again, what's a Liverpool season there wasn't any stumbling blocks?

Rodgera Complained Our Squad Not Big Enough
Not big enough?
- borini (loan out)
- Allen (not good enough)
- assaidi (loan out)
- aspas (not good enough)
- alberto (can't even get a game)
Was his signing.
- Suso
- Robinson
- Ngoo
3 of them r talent that we need now yet being loaned out especially Suso give us creativity and Robinson give us strength down the left back area. They won't represent Spain u21 n England u21 for nothing. Even IBE being over looked despite having more threat then sterling posses. Physically ready. He spend 18+8m for a CB where 1 cant maintained his place and another one lost in the wind. If the squad is small. Y we should loan them out? Carroll last year case for example. We should strength those key area but sadly he didn't. Not enough of players? U talk to John Henry then. Not us. The player u bought u gotto take responsibility. As simple as that. We watch how u make players perform not asking u to tell us what u lack.

Sad statement
Chris L.

On Hull " it was painful, did not deserve anything, dont blame the players, blame me"

Rodgers at the press Conference: Taking all the blame himself, shielding Moses and Sterling

And Nurin Sahin.

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That is not an option. We are blaming everything! LOL

1) BR
2) Players
3) Bookies
4) John Henry
5) Sofia Suarez
6) Alex Gerrard
7) Hmm... even Claire Rourke. Never steam up their guys enough before the match

Of chest thumping and badge kissing, Liverpool players should just bury their heads into sand...perhaps BR should come out with the statement that the players should be ashamed of their performance which generally lack passion, commitment and urgency....worse they are playing a team who played badly and still contrive to lose as thoroughly....I understand what Dillon said about KLFC...watch the replay...simple pass turn into mess..pass accuracy stats must look horrible too...overall grimace inducing performance

If I can recall correctly, in the 85th min, we still playing triangle in midfield instead of chasing some dignity back into the score line. Our midfield are confused lot, as they are waiting for someone to initiate the attack, and SG body language said it all - "sorry, not my role anymore"....our over reliance on Cout, Sturij and Suarez is a cause for concerned. I call for Sterling to play is mainly because he is out in the cold for way way too long, BR's rotation policy is not consistent and I think most would agree SG should be rested 3 matches ago but hey, BR lavished heaps of praise about him playing over his 40's like Giggs...this manager likes to massage ego more than being pragmatic...And I personally felt Sakho is rested for a bit long too. He after all is on form for France, but BR chose Toure instead nuff said...

I am not too critical of Moses and Sterling, probably due to cold feet being out for too long...but both didn't do themselves any favor at all with this kind of performance...And I think Sterling's time is running out, and is at risked of being 1 season wonder....perhaps he should be loan out and out and out and hopefully return much improved like Townsend did...As for Moses, his stop start appearance for Liverpool complicate matter...BR should shoulder much of this problem, as he talk about interchangeability of the forwards...without considering the ability of each players to do so..Suarez can do it by dropping deep, but I don't see anyone else with such flexibility, this the reason why he is such a hot commodity...and also the reason why Moses was loan out by JM...they are not in the same mould....

Further compounding our toothless attack was Johnson, yes...I don't think he can hide..he has been piss poor for the past 2 matches in a row...no player emerge with a tiny bit of credit...at most is Flanagan, not for the lack of trying, but his inexperience showed a few times in the match...Even Mignolet is guilty of the 2nd goal, his positioning and cool headedness clearly missing, Cech would have save it...not too sure Reina can tho...

While our neighbor hardly could afford the cash to sign anyone, we have 16 million worth of talent on the talent, yes, it high time BR utilize Illori and Alberto....don't get me started on Suso and Asaidi...

Totally agree on that, it seems that we doesn't have any players that able to hold the ball despite the pressuring done by the opponent. I can only see lost of possession, back pass to keeper, cross the ball away without any target, irresponsible passing to teammate who is in a tight position, oh and miss passes. Even Gerrard did lost possession after being pressured by the opponent.

There is one player I am very impress with, Yaya Toure, he could hold the ball despite pressure from 2 or even 3, 4 players. And yet he could get out from the pressure calmly, and pass it accurately, and even past through them and bring the ball forward.

We desperately need a player like Yaya Toure. Hendo? no. Allen? hell no. Lucas? no. Gerrard? yes for a match, then no for the next match. Coutinho? his size is the biggest disadvantages. Suso? yes, but where did he go?

I don't think its a wise move to let go of Big Caroll, although his price tag doesn't really apply to his performance, but he is decent. At least we could just keep him, and we don't really need Borini, and another Spanish Borini, Aspas.

We should feel relieved to have offloaded andy carroll... He's injury prone and never seem to fully recover ever since he left us, now consider retiring some more...
I think we should try to lure eden dzeko from mancity... he is a surplus in mancity now and i think he is class...

Yeah. so all of us, we were left traumatised.

what a fuken joke right. but hey, kalah pun apa ada HULL...cuz we are Liverpool, we've been through shit and hell, we will rise...and we are getting better and better from the fall down.

And Norwich on Wednesday...I feel so sorry for them. Cuz they gonna get the biggest hiding of their lives.