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post Apr 1 2019, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Mar 31 2019, 08:25 PM)
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My short review of LG SoundBar SK9Y - 5.1.2 ch Dolby Atmos® Sound Bar with Wi-Fi Technology. smile.gif 4.5 Star in overall.


  • Sound Quality - The sound quality is absolutely stunning with strong center vocal, deep bass & awesome sound separation surround. But all this only happen after you had proper setup. It actually sound bad in original out of the box setting, this probably also the reason why some said LG Sound Bar sound is not good as the original setting sound is too high treble, high pitch vocal, weak bass and the sub woofer is like not working at all.

  • My Sound Setting - They is few Sound Effect and I find the best is Standard with some tunes. Movies sound effect at beginning may let you feel more immersive but after a while you will notice it is messy sound and very noisy annoying, others sound effect is totally rubbish and unusable to me. After some fine tuning, following setting give me the best output.
    - Sound Effect: Standard
    - Night: Off
    - DRC: Off
    - Auto Volume On/Off: Off
    - Treble: -5
    - Bass: 5
    - Sub Woofer: 6
    - Center: 0
    - Overhead: 0
    - Rear: 5
    - Rear Speaker Output: Surround


  • Connectivity - I wonder who design HDMI ARC, after some Google I just known Dolby Atmos is not working if you connect your device directly to TV as most TV unable to produce Dolby Atmos even though your Sound Bar is capable and already connected to TV via HDMI ARC. I only manage to get Dolby Atmos working when I connect my device to Sound Bar HDMI IN, and this Sound Bar only have one HDMI IN which means it is a very cons options as most people have more than one device that produce Dolby Atmos. In my case, I already got two device that capable of output Dolby Atmos. I choose Apple TV 4K here as my 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray title is very little. Lucky this model is capable to output 4K HDR in RGB High or 4:4:4 which not degrade my visual output, else I am DOOM! They is one issue here as some mentioned in internet, you will sometimes face sound delay issue in 4K video when your device is directly connect to TV instead of the Sound Bar itself, I not sure is this the weakness of HDMI ARC or not as they is the option to let you adjust the AV sync issue. No sound delay issue if your device is directly connect to the Sound Bar HDMI IN.


  • Others - Thanks to this Sound Bar where also generate nice sound output for listening to music and you can easily cast over from your phone directly. Also thanks to have option to purchase actual Rear Speaker to make it 7.1.2 system. I may consider this option in the future.

In overall, I am very satisfied to this Sound Bar sound quality and also it current promotion price.

Tested movies


  • Arrival

  • Ready Player One

  • Blade Runner 2049

  • Bohemian Rhapsody

  • The Greatest Showman

  • Annihilation

  • Incredibles 2

  • The Lion King

  • Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

  • E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial


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Nice review. Maybe you want to consider a HDMI Switch for your soundbar due to multiple devices, but make sure gets one which support 4K@60hz and HDR.

In near future hopefully, i will dump my AVR and speakers and go for a soundbar setup.

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post Apr 1 2019, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 1 2019, 10:49 AM)
Hi. You got any recommendation on this HDMI switch. I really want one. smile.gif
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I havent have a 4K60hz switch...i only have a Ugreen HDMI switch but it is only 4k 30hz and no HDR. AFAIK, there is no Ugreen model which support 4k60hz HDR...

Ugreen is really reliable brand and good quality stuff. You will have to try your luck with some other brands for 4k60hz HDR switch on Lazada...i saw a few....around Rm60 i think....if it doesnt work just return it. Lazada has excellent return policy... you just print out label and send. No need to pay return postage at all. I have returned a few stuff b4 on Lazada.
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post Apr 14 2019, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(GHOSTVIC @ Apr 14 2019, 01:34 AM)
Hello brothers..

i am just confused to get either yamaha / sony soundbar. I am not going for few speakers.
so just 2.1 channel soundbar + subwoofer / 7.1 channel with subwoofer..
Budget in between 1k - 1.5k..
my concern is more to dolby audio with good surronding system.

After some analysis i made up my mind with YAMAHA & SONY..

YAMAHA YAS-207 best price rm1349 ( anyplace can get cheaper than this ? )
- 2.1 channel , soundbar with wireless subwoofer
- bluetooth, hdmi, hdmi arc, digital optical, 4K HDR HDMI Pass Thru
- dolby audio, dolby digital, DTS
- surround technology DTS Virtual X
- remote control function
- already done sound test at showroom superb, amazed with the sound quality

YAMAHA YAS-306 best price rm1600+
- 7.1 channel sound bar built in dual woofer, dual tweeter, dual built in subwoofers
- digital optical, digital coaxical, analog, no hdmi
- bluetooth , lan, wifi
- dolby digital, dolby pro, dts
- surround technology air surround extreme
- never tested the sound

SONY HTC-CT800 best price rm1235 ( anyplace can get cheaper than this ? )
- 2.1ch Soundbar with Wi-Fi/Bluetooth® technology subwoofer
- Analog Audio In(Inc TV CEC), Ethernet, Opt. In, USB , 1 HDMI Out(ARC) , 3 hdmi , 4K HDR HDMI Pass Thru
- bluetooth Yes(A2DP (SINK), A2DP(SOURCE), AVRCP, LDAC, AAC)
- WIFI
- Dolby Digital, DolbyTruHD, Dolby Digital+, Dolby Dual Mono , DTS
- surround technology S-Force PRO Front Surround

SONY HT-X8500 no price yet
- 2.1CH DOLBY ATMOS®/DTS:X® SINGLE SOUND BAR WITH BUILT-IN SUBWOOFER
- HDMI input suppports Dolby Digital,Dolby Digital plus,Dolby TrueHD,Dolby Dual mono,DTS,DTS HD High Resolution Audio,DTS HD Master Audio,DTS ES,DTS 96 / 24,DTS: X,MPEG2-AAC
- HDMI eARC supports Dolby Digital,Dolby Digital plus,Dolby TrueHD,Dolby Atmos,Dolby Dual mono,DTS,DTS HD High Resolution Audio,DTS HD Master Audio,DTS ES,DTS 96 / 24,DTS: X,MPEG2-AAC
- Optical Input supports Dolby Digital,Dolby Digital plus,Dolby Digital plus / Atmos,Dolby Dual mono,DTS,LPCM 2ch,MPEG2-AAC
- Virtual Surround Technology S-Force PRO,Vertical Surround Engine (Dolby Speaker Virtual/DTS Virtual:X)
- usb, bluetooth
- no idea all the inputs support different audio format, that means need to connect all the cable to TV ?

Personally i have tested sound for YAS207 & HTCT800. YAS207 i did dolby sound test and it was awesome. HTCT800 just normal sound so couldn't see the difference i guess i need to dolby test again.
Input vice, HTCT800 is the winner. More ports and option. You can expend more.
Audio format HTC800 winner as well, support more.

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-6aKOjwiQ7ux/c...y-HT-CT800.html
So now i am confused to get YAS207 / HTCT800.
Any brothers here can share me your personal input on both YAS207 vs HTCT800 would be very much appreciated.
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I wad also looking at the Yamaha....but there is no Dolby Atmos. I think you should look for one with Dolby Atmos as it is getting popular. Netflix also broadcadt some shows in Dolby Atmos.
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post Apr 15 2019, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(GHOSTVIC @ Apr 15 2019, 03:57 AM)
I went to harveynorman IPC IKEA to test.. need to check other places if can get cheaper ir not.. i tested sound from youtube so i couldnt hear difference between dolby atmos vs dolby true hd..
Very hard to pick.. i feel YAMAHA produce good bass and sony good clarity.

YSP 1600 - RM2106 (5.1ch, dolby audio,dts,dtsx)
YAS 306 - RM1508 (7.1ch  built in subwoofee)
YAS 207 - RM1499 (2.1 ch, 200w, 4k)

HTX9000F - RM1999 (2.1ch, dolby atmos)
HTCT800 - RM1239 (3.1ch, 350w, dolby audio)

LG SK9 - RM2097 (5.1.2 ch,dolby atmos, 500w)
LG SK8 - RM1398 (2.1ch , dolby atmos,360w)
LG SK6 - RM1096 (2.1 ch)
For dolby atmos LG SK9 seems better over SONY HTX900F.. Both just 1 hdmi in, 1 hdmi out. If u have more devices than got to use tv..

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Wow! There's some serious legwork there! thumbup.gif

I think it would be better to test dolby atmos sound using NETFLIX or some downloaded files which you know the sound track has a good/complete DD Atmos, rather than Youtube as we can't be sure the quality of the source. Unless you intend to buy a lot of Blurays or download huge uncompressed files with DDTHD or DTS-MA, i don't think there is a reason to have DD True HD or DTS-MA. So it depends on what you intend to watch.

Even then, DD Atmos is the future, i believe. The Yamaha models has been around for some time and haven't been updated yet, hence no DD Atmos. Although i am big fan of Yamaha ( i have Yammy AVR, subwoofer, digital piano, electric guitar etc....), i can't honestly recommend to spend the same amount of money to get something that is already obsolete right out of the door, when we can see the next big thing standard already here and available, when you can spend about the same to get the latest elsewhere.

As for the 1 HDMI in, 1 HDMI out, it can be resolved with a HDMI switch. You will have to find a HDMI switch which supports 4k60p and HDR (for connecting PS4, Bluray etc to play 4K with HDR). Problem with soundbar is there is always not enough HDMI ports, even the highest end soundbar maybe gives you 3 ports at most. When looking for HDMI switch, if possible, also get one which does not need external power and can be power by the HDMI cables alone. This will save some hassle and one less cable (i hate cables...).



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post Apr 15 2019, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 15 2019, 02:13 PM)
I not sure for others, but LG SK9 won't activate Dolby Atmos if your source is not direct connect to the soundbar but TV itself.
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I think most, if not all won't. Current ARC only supports DD passthrough. Any other additional formats like DD plus or DD Atmos, is a hit and miss (most likely miss) when using current ARC, depending your TV supports it or not, and your soundbar/AVR supports it or not, and even if both do, are they compatible with each other.

We will need HDMI 2.1 and e-ARC for return of higher quality audio DD Atmos.

So best bet today on connections, is to have a box(playing NETFLIX/YOUTUBE/Whatever) => soundbar/AVR => TV.
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QUOTE(GHOSTVIC @ Apr 15 2019, 08:20 PM)
Thanks for the information brother.  Appreciate it..
So which sound bar you suggesting based on your expertise brother?
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I am not expert bro.. sweat.gif..i only give some opinion based on what i would look for...

I think you have done roundup of a good selections already, now it's matter of fitting your budget and needs. Another model you can look into is the SONY HT-Z9F. This one RRP at RM2,999 but should be able to get cheaper at shops and online.

I don't know what do you watch most, so what do you intend to watch most? For me, my main source is Netflix and Youtube and ahem sources for Asian Dramas which will not have any sort of quality surround sound anyway.

As for quality of the sound of the soundbar, you will have to listen to it and make your own judgement. I haven't hear any of them so i won't comment. I can only comment on the specs. tongue.gif


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post Apr 16 2019, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 15 2019, 09:54 PM)
In the manual it only mentioned what setting can out Dolby Atmos. The rest didn't mentioned. Haha. You can get the manual here https://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-SK9Y

I think optical had limit to 2 channel even they is Dolby support. I not so sure. But pretty sure Dolby Atmos required direct connect device to soundbar HDMI in only.

They is sound delay when connecting device to TV HDMI in and later ARC to Soundbar. I Google seems this is common issue especially if your content is 4K which make it very obvious. That probably the reason why they is delay setting for you to adjust.

They is no sound delay issue when direct connect device to Soundbar HDMI in.
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I found there is delay even when using optical in from TV to AVR. Playing Netflix on my Android TV, output optical out to AVR. When both TV speaker and AVR speaker on, can clearly hear delay.

Problem is in AVR only can set delay the sound...which is already delayed...there is no way to move the sound a bit faster than what was received, unless there is some way to delay the video on the TV.

It is not that bad (compared to ARC which is giving me serious delay), but still noticeable a bit.

I think in the end, an external TV Box player is still the best to avoid so many problems!

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post Apr 17 2019, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(GHOSTVIC @ Apr 15 2019, 03:57 AM)
I went to harveynorman IPC IKEA to test.. need to check other places if can get cheaper ir not.. i tested sound from youtube so i couldnt hear difference between dolby atmos vs dolby true hd..
Very hard to pick.. i feel YAMAHA produce good bass and sony good clarity.

YSP 1600 - RM2106 (5.1ch, dolby audio,dts,dtsx)
YAS 306 - RM1508 (7.1ch  built in subwoofee)
YAS 207 - RM1499 (2.1 ch, 200w, 4k)

HTX9000F - RM1999 (2.1ch, dolby atmos)
HTCT800 - RM1239 (3.1ch, 350w, dolby audio)

LG SK9 - RM2097 (5.1.2 ch,dolby atmos, 500w)
LG SK8 - RM1398 (2.1ch , dolby atmos,360w)
LG SK6 - RM1096 (2.1 ch)
For dolby atmos LG SK9 seems better over SONY HTX900F.. Both just 1 hdmi in, 1 hdmi out. If u have more devices than got to use tv..
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I see you survey survey, now ayam also poisoned....dang i can't get rid of my AVR...putting them in store room, also already full...waifu will rage....sweat.gif

Anyway, i have been thinking my setup also.

After much survey, i realized there is very little option to play Netflix 4K HDR and Dolby Atmos. Most of the solution is imperfect, expensive or lacking in some ways.

I realized there is one option to play it perfectly and i already have it.....using a PC...Windows 10 app Netflix is capable of all these (with the right hardware). My PCs are already capable of Netflix DD Atmos (it's shown in the app...on my Android TV, the Dolby Atmos won't appear). So all i need to do is connect my PC to a Soundbar and it should pass in as PCM or LPCM, meaning the PC will decode the DD Atmos from Windows 10 Netflix App. So voila! I don't care if the soundbar is not capabale of DD Atmos! I will pass decoded LPCM channels to it. Then i will have more options to choose from (as currently i am looking at soundbar with specifically DD Atmos).

Anyone care to comment? Is this workable?

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post Apr 17 2019, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 17 2019, 11:35 AM)
For LG, they is special setting for Atmos and it do sound different. It is more immersive compare with content not in Atmos mode. The Atmos mode is hidden and cannot activate manually.
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What do you mean it's hidden and cannot activate manually?

btw, does your soundbar have wireless or wired subwoofer?

I saw lots of SK8 for quite cheap used also, but it's 2.1 compared to 5.1 (or 5.2?) of the SK9, but rest of the features seems similar.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 17 2019, 11:46 AM)
It auto change to Atmos sound effect when detect source as Atmos. This Atmos profile is never a selection if no Atmos detect. Also others sound effect is gone when in Atmos.

Subwoofer is wireless.

SK9Y is 5.1.2 and big differences in sound quality compare with SK8Y.
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I see. That means your source passing the DD Atmos to the soundbar to decode, this is normal behaviour for AVR/Soundbar.

Back to my previous idea, if i can pass decoded LPCM to the soundbar, it will open my options. I don't neccessary need the best and loudest sound. Waifu don't allow anyway. My main concern is getting rid of my AVR to have a clean look with a soundbar which is capable of supporting everything that Netflix has to offer. smile.gif

One of my options is also to have a soundbar which can connect to an external subwoofer and make use of my existing Yammy subwoofer. So i have one less headache of getting rid an equipment, and no need to introduce another one...but soundbar which doesnt comes with subwoofer options are very rare and even harder when you have some other requirements.

I think later i go Harvey Norman look see look see during lunch...hehe.

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 17 2019, 01:36 PM)
then the easiest for you would be Yamaha soundbar

most of their soundbar comes without sub woofer, and has the plug for optional external sub
since ur sub is from Yamaha as well, I think shud work like a charm
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Yeah, i think only Yamaha has such options, but then only a few specific models.

Btw, i read up on DTS:X on the YAS-207.

https://www.techhive.com/article/3244136/ya...207-review.html

This DTS:X really that good? Like these i can ignore Dolby Atmos already.

Most importantly in the review:

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The YAS-207 will also serve as a good compromise for spouses who want audio equipment in the house to be heard and not seen.
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 18 2019, 10:53 AM)
technically this 207 is good n cheap, only drawback should be the short of hdmi inputs I think
if you do not have lots of sources, then go with this

don't bother too much on the DTS x
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This got a subwoofer. I am thinking YAS-108, cheap good and non intrusive. Can tell waifu, it is replacement for Centre Speaker (which i have to remove currently coz it's too big blocking the TV). Review of YAS-108 seems good, all it needs is to connect to my external subwoofer. HDMI inputs, i plan to get a 4K60pHDR HDMI Switch.

Maybe go to Yamaha showroom this weekend to borak.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 18 2019, 02:58 PM)
Not many title in DTS:X, mostly still is Dolby Atmos.

Actually not that important as long the output is awesome.
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My mistake, i meant DTS: Virtual X, which is supposely can be apply to any audio stream, no need special encoding.

Dolby Atmos titles not that many in Netflix also currently, but in future should increase.

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QUOTE(Milano7 @ Apr 18 2019, 03:18 PM)
dear sifus,

any recommended soundbar below 1k? mostly i use for movies and ps4.
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Yamaha YAS-108

RM 999. Ngam-ngam, got RM 1 change.

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/yamaha-y...YqVINU&search=1

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Seems like got good review...first page shows constant > 4/5 ratings.

https://www.google.com/search?q=yas+108+rev...chrome&ie=UTF-8

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QUOTE(Lego Warfare @ Apr 18 2019, 03:41 PM)
I noticed quite a noticeable difference when I watched Gladiator with DTS:X on and off. The sense of surround and space is more enveloping compared to without. But yea, very few titles have DTS:X lol

But YAS207 DTS:X can't be compared to true Atmos system... one is virtual the other is not..
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My mistake again, i was talking DTS: Virtual X. Yeah, i know it won't be comparable to a true Atmos system. But that is not my intention. My intention:

1. Streamline to soundbar, minimalistic, get rid of AVR and Twin Tower fugly speakers and fugly centre speaker (already gotten rid, no choice)....my AVR running on 2.0/2.1 now.

2. Audio no need keng. I have no mood to make overhead speakers or rear speakers. Already got rid of rear speakers sometime ago.

3. Gave up on Dolby Atmos. Maybe next time when it becomes common, then i upgrade to another better soundbar.

4. As long got pseudolistic surround sound, clear dialogue and looks neat is the main objective.


Another issue i have currently is dialogue from my AVR seems a bit soft, if turn on loud, the special effect suddenly like earthquake, waifu complain. I hope the soundbar can solve this problem? hmm.gif

I am very drawn to the YAS-108 now, seems like good choice, very good price, solve some of my problems, without introducing a new one (subwoofer which i don't need...).

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 18 2019, 07:03 PM)
turn on your avr dynamic range control…or night mode
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Thanks! It worked!

Default is "Max", can set to Min/Auto and its very quiet, set to Standard and i can hear a bit difference. But "MAX" just go bonkers.

For time being i am setting it to "Standard".
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QUOTE(happyhaka @ Apr 19 2019, 08:20 AM)
Been looking at soundbars with about 2k budget. In my multiple store visits for some reason

Sony CT800 seems to sound better than HT Z9F

For similar pricepoints SK9 sounds better than Z9F

In this case then I find it a battle between CT800 and SK9 whereby both of then are at very diff pricepoints 1.2k and 2k respectively.

I wantes SK9 or Z9F since my main purpose is surround sound from my TV that has netflix and connected directly to the soundbar. Thought Atmos on both would sound better than CT800 only on dolby digital. What are your thoughts?
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QUOTE(Lego Warfare @ Apr 19 2019, 11:50 AM)
If you are considering CT800 also take a look at YAS-207. I listened to them side by side and chose YAS-207 instead though your preference may vary.
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Bro, you owner of YAS-207? Have you compare it to the YAS-108 before? I am thinking about YAS-108. thks.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 20 2019, 01:08 AM)
To get Dolby Atmos in Netflix, you need either of following.

1) TV with Dolby Atmos support + Dolby Atmos Soundbar.
2) TV without Dolby Atmos support but with TV Box that support Dolby Atmos (currently only Apple TV 4K support) + HDMI in at Dolby Atmos Soundbar.
3) TV without Dolby Atmos support but with gamer device support Dolby Atmos (currently only Xbox support) + HDMI in at Dolby Atmos Soundbar.

They is no Android TV Box support Netflix in Dolby Atmos included Nvidia Shield even though Nvidia Shield can support Dolby Atmos in others apps but not in Netflix apps because Netflix not support it, not because Android TV OS not capable.

So you only have 3 options now for Netflix in Dolby Atmos

1) Buy Apple TV 4K
2) Buy Xbox
3) Buy New TV


* I exclude Pixela 4K Smart Tuner because that box is Japan country tuner box even though this box is running Android TV OS but I doubt you can get it or fully utilize it, the tuner part sure won't work but others apps in Android TV possible can but cannot guarantee if they set country specific.

Or don't buy anything now, wait for eARC, off course you need to get a new TV and also Soundbar using eARC that required HDMI 2.1 tongue.gif
With eARC, they is no compromise of sound output as it is big enough bandwidth to pass thru Dolby Atmos in Dolby TrueHD even you connect your device to TV and later to SoundBar. For the moment the reason why device need connect to soundbar HDMI-IN instead of TV is due to bandwidth issue at HDMI 2.0, I read further TV Dolby Atmos support is compress version of Dolby Digital Plus instead of Dolby TrueHD. Anyway Netflix is only running compress version of Dolby Atmos in Dolby Digital Plus not Dolby TrueHD.
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Still got other options, use a Windows 10 HTPC or laptop. If already have one, no need to spend any more money.



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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 20 2019, 10:10 AM)
I remember a few salesperson told me ARC mostly doesn't work , told me to use optical cable instead for soundbars

and it happen to my case as well, all my ARC doesn't work, end of the day, its because of the HDMI cable, get the correct spec one, all workable

a lot 3rd party hdmi cable state 2.0 or 1.4, mostly fake I think, non ARC workable
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That is not true. As long you have High speed HDMI cable with Ethernet, it is fine. Most cables today are capable of it. There is no such thing as HDMI 2.0 or 1.4 cable its just marketing talk. The HDMI version refers to the device itself. I recommend you to buy UGREEN HDMI cables from Lazada from the official UGREEN Shop. UGREEN sells high quality stuff at great prices. Dont be con into expensive cables at Harvey Norman and such.

The reason ARC fails is there is no proper implementation by all the manufacturers. There is stronger push for eARC. So in future equipments with eARC should work better with each other. One big problem i encountered with HDMI ARC today is the audio delay...unless your TV has some options to delay the video to sync with the audio, it will be a problem.

Basically best solution is still TV streamer/player box to AVR/soundbar then to TV. It is the best bet.

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