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SSJBen
post Dec 2 2015, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Xccess @ Dec 2 2015, 02:31 PM)
You can always check here. One contributor "Thanley" had a lot of similarities as SSJBen, not sure if they are the same person.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/sony-ht-rt...e-have.1976283/
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My impressions is on the last page!
https://www.avforums.com/threads/sony-ht-rt...4#post-22907877

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Anyways, after 2 weeks of usage the sub has gotten a little bit more smooth. It's less bloaty especially. It's unreasonable to compare it with my entry level SVS PB-1000 since that's like a whole different league above the RT5.

But otherwise, I think it's decent at best.

I know many people are always skeptical about the whole wireless thing, which is a legitimate concern. I'm always a wired guy, never wireless when it comes to audio. But damn, hats off to Sony. Not a single drop out yet despite me having 14 wireless devices in my home.
I even turn all of them on in the same room to stream a random vid on YT, not a single distortion, cut or clip in the wireless sub and rear speakers of the RT5. thumbup.gif


QUOTE(Like a Bause @ Dec 2 2015, 04:09 PM)
guys... sony RT 5 & sony NT 3 which one to recommend ?
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If you only watch stereo sources, NT3. But at this point, I suggest going for the Philips HTL5140b instead which is even better.

Otherwise, RT5 hands down.

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QUOTE(beebee @ Dec 2 2015, 04:36 PM)
hi ben, if we only watch astro hd movies/console games, which one will you recommend?
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Still would go for the RT5 if you're going to play games. Majority of the games now a days do have their audio mixing done in 5.1. Not saying all games are mixed well, but generally most games are a lot more immersive in 5.1.

Obviously keep the expectations in check. Comparing a high-end 2.0 system to an entry level 5.1, the winner will always be the stereo simply due to dynamics alone, much less to say anything else.

But yeah, under a reasonable budget, the RT5 is the way to go. Astro usage wise, the last time I even watch a movie on Astro HD was like 3 years ago. I'm not sure if HBO HD or FOX HD or whatever has at least DD5.1 on the movies they air? If so, that's a plus.
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post Dec 3 2015, 09:19 PM

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I have requested Philips to loan me a unit for review, they haven't gotten back to me yet.
Thing is, I don't know that many people in Philips to help me get a unit. Sony different story.
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post Dec 6 2015, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(replicator @ Dec 4 2015, 10:33 PM)
I received my RT5 today. The volume is little bit slow even set to max. I already connect my TV to soundbar using HDMI ARC and be able to control using TV remote. TV has been set to use audio speaker instead of TV speaker. Any idea to increase the volume?

Previously, the demo set auditoned at the HN was quite loud.
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What source are you playing?

Also, have you done your calibration yet? Understand that the included mic isn't really very good, it's better to manually set the audio levels by using a sound meter.


QUOTE(kurtkantoi @ Dec 5 2015, 02:25 AM)
1. Just bought Sony RT5 last night from Sunway HN for RM1999. RT5 sound great through phone bluetooth But until now failed to connect to my Samsung SmartTV (Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) ) through HDMI ARC.

2. The only connection I can think of is through optical audio cable. Burn more money.

3. Read some articlr in internet that Sony soundbar wont work with Samsung TV.

Anyone can help or experience this before?
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1. I explained before not to rely on HDMI ARC/CEC. It doesn't always work and this is exactly the prime example of it. Are you very sure you connected to right HDMI port on your TV though? Not ALL HDMI ports on the TV supports HDMI ARC, so you need to make sure you connect to the correct one.

2. Or why don't you just connect everything to the soundbar via HDMI instead? It's much better as you won't have to deal with audio delay.

3. That was generally the case a couple of years ago. But like I said, don't expect or assume HDMI ARC to always work flawlessly because it doesn't. Applies to every soundbar and AVR out there.
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post Dec 7 2015, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkantoi @ Dec 7 2015, 10:26 AM)
Manage to get it working using the same HDMI cable supply by Sony. Need to turn off the auto off feature for AnyConnect. However after few hours turn off TV, connection lost again.  sweat.gif

Already ordered new optical cable. The guy from Harvey Norman will send it tomorrow morning.
1 year warranty.
Using Android TV box to play movies.
Done calibration.
1. Yes. Connected using HDMI ARC port at the back of my Samsung TV.
2. TV got 3 HDMI port. Port 1 for android box. Port 2 (ARC) for sound bar. Port 3 for HyppTV box.
3. Sure. Will get optical cable tomorrow morning.
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I meant, why not just connect your android box and HyppTV directly to the soundbar, then send the sound to your TV?
It's much simpler.


QUOTE(Like a Bause @ Dec 7 2015, 10:30 AM)
how do you do the manually set the audio levels using sound meter? i have set the sound mode to cinema/movie.. but the volume is pretty low when playing it.. only the music arena is loud enough..

any ways to solve d low volume issue ?
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By playing a test tone and using a sound meter to measure the correct audible levels in relation to the distance you sit.

Generally, you want the front LR channels to be the exact same volume. The mid channel can either be the same or slightly boosted if you have difficulty hearing vocals.
The rears can be a little tricky, in a perfect environment you could set it to the same volume as the front LR. But unless you have designed-front-scratch HT room, this isn't actually that possible. I personally set it to 0.5 decibels lower than the front LR, but that's because I have them 0.8 meters directly behind my back. Correct rear speaker placement in a 5.1 setup is actually 30-45 degree behind the listener, not directly.

As for the source, is your player properly sending the correct signals to your RT5 or not?
Example, if you are playing a movie from your PC, is your PC configured to 5.1 in the audio settings and is your movie player using the correct bitstream format? Does your source even have at least DTS/DD5.1 encoded audio?

If from other players like say an android player or something, many of them downmix multi-channel source into 2.0 but still send out a wrong signal most of the time. People wouldn't notice it on their TV speakers because they are in stereo, but when you put it on a 5.1 setup then the difference becomes very obvious.

So yeah, make sure you have all the correct settings. I have no low volume issue, setting the volume to 26-28 is very adequate for me in any 5.1/7.1 movie/game. There are not effects that I could not hear or difficulty in discerning vocals.

Tip, set the listening mode to Standard (or Movie, since they're actually the same thing). All the other pre-sets are basically pre-EQ that kinda spoils the sound in one way or another.

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QUOTE(Like a Bause @ Dec 7 2015, 12:31 PM)
thanks for the comment..

one more thing, do you face this issue of the sound bar always reset the input selection to USB whenever you start the sound bar ? if not mistaken, the standard and movie options didn't make the 2 back speakers work.. cinema mode works for both that speakers..
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Have you updated your firmware on your RT5? IIRC, the launch firmware had this bug. The latest firmware fixed this issue.

Then it's 1 of 3 problems you are facing:

1) Your source/player is stereo, not multi channel.
2) You set 2ch Stereo in your Sound Effect under Audio Settings which downmixes ALL multi-channel audio to stereo.
3) Your Audio Output is set wrongly, usually set it to HDMI + Speaker.


Cinema mode takes any source and expands it to 9.1, virtually. So this is why even if your source is stereo, your back speakers has sound. But since you said your 2 rear speakers doesn't work, then it's probably because your source is stereo in the first place.

Read the manual, may not be a very good one but all these things are answered in there.
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post Dec 7 2015, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Like a Bause @ Dec 7 2015, 01:58 PM)
yeah.. i have updated the firmware.. but the input problem still arises.. will check again if there is still new updates..

hmm.. probably my source is the main culprit.. let me try on other sources first.. =]
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You can de-select which input you do not want in the settings. Maybe try disabling USB input, set your input to HDMI 1 and then turn off the soundbar. Re-enable the USB input after that.

My RT5 remembers the input I last have it off.
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post Dec 22 2015, 09:04 PM

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Don't need to keep asking about the CSS5530. There's a reason why until today there are no official reviews out there. If Philips don't want to send out review units then what to do? It's not like it's damn cheap to just suka suka buy and do review on it.
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post Dec 23 2015, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(mujinkun @ Dec 22 2015, 09:47 PM)
Ahahaha...its keep me wondering why the salesGuy from Desa wanna me visit them to do some audition on the Philips, they said this Philips can beat Yamaha...
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Store audition =/= home/room usage.

Environment is one of the biggest factors in sound quality of which many people don't seem to realize. What you hear in store will not be what you hear at home. Even if the audition is done in an audio treated room in their store, that would still be different than that of your home.

Philips isn't sending out their CSS5530 for who knows what reason. Everytime I ask, they say if I want a B5 instead or not. I don't, because I already have the HTL9100 which sounds damn near like the B5.
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post Dec 23 2015, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(mujinkun @ Dec 23 2015, 02:32 PM)
Oh I wish that our local dealer have similar T&C as overseas part such as:

a) Purchased and return if not satisfy within stipulated time.

b) A good coverage of warranty.
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Too bad, never going to happen.

Best you can do is sell 2nd hand mint condition with some losses.
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post Dec 27 2015, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(shirohamada @ Dec 25 2015, 11:53 PM)
rm2000 for soundbar that sounds mediocre at best?
an edifier r1800 for rm300 will sound better.
a rm1000 wharfedale will sound like diamonds.

don't do it.
don't get soundbars.
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Similarly, you can get damn near reference audio level just by spending a few hundred bucks from http://www.diysoundgroup.com/ and DIY yourself.

Why need to pay companies like wharfedale and KEF to assemble it for you, tune it for you and charge you quadruple the price?

Please man, I know you want to be witty, but we get it.
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post Dec 28 2015, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(shirohamada @ Dec 27 2015, 07:08 PM)
Why pay some american guy to make a cabinet for you when you can make it yourself?

Please man, I know you want to be witty, but i get it.
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"American guys" don't even make speakers now a days. Stop living under a rock.

Don't need to be a generic smartass by trying to talk like someone you aren't. Kthnxbai, thread exit is that way.
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post Dec 30 2015, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(sherr127 @ Dec 30 2015, 12:26 PM)
Are u sure??...  what about JTR,Seaton,Danley,Triad,Reaction Audio,PowerSoundAudio,Starkesound..etc2
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On the front. Go into their assembly areas and you'll see majority are illegal immigrants.

Source: I lived in the US.

But this is going off topic. The whole point is, soundbars do have a place. They aren't inherent crap but some smartass wanted to chirp about how considerably cheaper speakers will sound better and of course they do. I'm just saying you can go dirt cheap and get damn near reference audio quality, if a comparison wants to be made.
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QUOTE(kevinboey86 @ Dec 31 2015, 12:34 AM)
Finally gotten my RT5 today from HN Sunway.

Manage to set it up without much issue. Wireless pairing of the speaker was very fast and problem free. Only issue is that the back speaker wire is quite short i had to use an extension cord.

My first impression is that i am quite pleased with the output of this speaker. I hook this up to both my PC and PS4 using HDMI.

For the PC i tried playing 1080p Movies with DTS using MPC and no issue having the 5.1 surround sound. @SSJBen do you have DTS, DD or DTS HD displayed on the soundbar display when you played any of this format? Mine just display HDMI 1 or HDMI 2. So i am not sure which audio format is it decoding. Volume so far i did set 100% on my pc and 25-28 on the soundbar and it is already loud enough.

Only downside i can find so far about this soundbar is

1. I am unable to use the internet to update the firmware. Not sure why but i tried 2-3 times but failed. Not sure if its sony server issue. Tried to manually download but the page on the website could not be found when i click on the link

2. Menu for the soundbar is abit slow. Not as smooth as i hope it should be.

3. Surround speaker is abit soft. Not sure how to properly set the level. As i did the auto calibration and then i increase it to 2.5 dbs for the left and 1.5dbs on the right surround.

Forgot to mention that RT5 is to replace my logitech z5500. Quite like the Music arena mode and Clear Audio +. No problem pairing it with BT with phone.
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Audio decode information can be seen by pressing "Display" on your remote. It's shown on screen. Obviously, you need the UI to be enabled in the settings.

1) Use this link: http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/content/c...ate-0343/HT-RT5

2. Yup, I mentioned this before. The XMB is from Sony's Bravia TVs back in 08-10. Slow indeed.

3. Use a volume calibrator like Sound Meter. Download to your phone (make sure your phone has 2 mics), sit in the middle and calibrate the volume. Rear speakers should never be louder than front speakers btw.
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The important thing to look for in a HDMI cable not longer than 5m is:

- Make sure the spec of the cable you're buying is correct. There are just far too many HDMI 1.3 cables posing as HDMI 2.0 cables on the market now. Why? You know why.

Many people has ran into the issue of not being able to display 60hz from their PC to their receiver despite both inputs being HDMI 2.0. The reason is the cable, not their hardware. In this case, the RT5's HDMI 1 port is the only port that is HDMI 2.0, the others aren't so make sure of that as well if you're going to run 4k60p.
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QUOTE(christeen @ Jan 2 2016, 08:18 PM)
HT-RT5 or HT-NT3? Which one sound better?
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In strictly stereo 2.0 usage, NT3 > RT5. The punch on the NT3 is livelier, more impactful. The difference however isn't very significant though, it's only noticeable at best.

But put a multi-channel source on play, well... virtual 5.1 will never beat actual 5.1, so there's that, no contest there.


QUOTE(mujinkun @ Jan 3 2016, 11:23 PM)
Found some from the nets, its seem that the Samsung Anynet+ is causing this issues.
Mine Samsung LED ARC is on the HDMI2, and its from the 2011/2012 models(I think so), and the Anynet+ connections will be not able to turn ON the Receiver(soundbar), only Turn OFF is possible. Like this Samsung TV not able to save all the setting and communications.

Since its is hassle to take out and reconnect the HDMI, I have set the TV to External speaker, Anynet/ARC OFF and connect by Digital IN(TV).

I do get all the digital sound though...

Ahahaha

Side notes: Anyone that got Samsung LED TV and able to Turn OFF/ON the receiver/ soundboard, please do let me know.
Might purchase some after market Highspeed HDMI cable and ditch the supplied the cable with the Soundbar.
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Mentioned many times, ARC was and still is never a reliable way to connect your sources. One of the main reasons I so wholeheartedly recommend the RT5 is because of its input connections. 3 HDMI ins, 1 optical, 1 analog.

So I don't see why you wouldn't just connect all your devices to the RT5 directly. You eliminate the issue of audio sync issues, you eliminate any ARC headaches, and if you game, you get the lowest possible input lag given from the soundbar.

If you have more than 4 digital devices, then you can always get a good quality HDMI switcher (none of that bs self-powered crap) to supplement.
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QUOTE(goliath @ Jan 4 2016, 05:31 PM)
Gonna get a soundbar (with HDMI ports) soon. A quick question on connecting it to TV, should I;

1) all devices (HDMI) -> soundbar (via optical cable) -> TV, OR
2) all devices (HDMI) -> TV <- soundbar (via optical cable)?

Which would be better option?
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If the soundbar you are going to buy has enough HDMI ports for all your devices, then just connect everything directly to it via HDMI. Then HDMI out to your TV. Keep it simple.

If not, then devices > TV via HDMI > soundbar via optical.

Understand that if you choose the 2nd option, your TV may only be able to send DD signals or worse, just 2.0 PCM. TVs that bitstream DD/DTS via optical are VERY rare.


QUOTE(mujinkun @ Jan 4 2016, 08:04 PM)
I dont have any Media Player nor Playstation 4(might purchase its in future), most all the media is played through the Media Hub from the Samsung Smart TV. Its can play most of the downloaded mkv file.

I do have Astro and some HyppTv(unused), and all is connect to the Samsung.

If I connect all to the soundbar, its may hassle me to play media from the SmartTV, so current setup is all play through Samsung then audio is pass to the Soundbar using optical cable.

Might order some after market HDMI and tested its again.

Any advise on my setup?
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So... what's the problem? rclxub.gif

You basically only have 1 device, so connect Astro to the soundbar directly then.
Your TV? Just use optical out from your TV, problem solved. But like I explained before, you may not get 5.1/7.1 channels from your source since most TVs cannot even send DD 5.1.
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QUOTE(mujinkun @ Jan 6 2016, 08:16 AM)
Just like to know some sound setting for HT-RT5...

What the best option to use the Sound Field on each occasion?

How to enable/ select DD ProLogic II, DTS-NEO, etc on the fly?

Reguards
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Your preference, there's no "best". Tonally, the Movie/Standard setting is the most "accurate" one. But accuracy is a very relative term in audio, so yeah again up to you.

You can't switch upmixing features like DDPL or DTS-Neo on the fly. It doesn't work that way, you select one and stick with it. Alternatively, you can just use ClearAudio+ and all stereo sources will be upmixed into 5.1 irregardless.


QUOTE(alfatih @ Jan 6 2016, 01:20 PM)
Owned one RT5 since November'15, waiting for other to review if the same 'issue' i have and i see the same here - Volume is slow even at max for HDMI inputs (specific AstroHD) but fine with Bluetooth input.

Connection - Astro HD -(HDMI)-> RT5 -(HDMI Output)-> TV (Samsung).
Not using ARC on this TV.

Literally to compare on HDMI inputs, my Samsung UA-50ES5500 TV is louder than this RT5 at max volume. (i think 20W vs 550W?).

Changed HDMI cable to no difference.
Explored bringing up the volume from Astro Decoder itself but no change - it shouldn't anyway as the audio is transmitted digitally.
Explored Optical but understand will loose DD, which is available on HD channels i watch the most.

I plan to get another HDMI input (i.e. blueray/dvd) to isolate if this is specific from the AstroHD Decoder box but any other ideas without investing on this blueray/dvd that i seldom will use?

Its not a major issue as it is clear enough at 35-40 volume levels, but i don't see a major difference of dB either at max 50 volume level.
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I've heard of a few issues about low volume on the RT5. I do not have that issue, volume at 30 is plenty loud for me (certainly louder than an TV volume). Of course, loudness is a very subjective thing as well. What may be loud to me may not be to you. Environment plays a vital part in loudness too btw.

Either ways, I have not tried Astro with the RT5 and I don't even use Astro anymore. So I'm not sure what the settings are needed under the decoder. It sounds to me like your decoder is sending the wrong audio signals to the RT5, resulting in the wrong dynamic range, thus low volume. Are there any audio settings on your Astro that you may have to switch? Preferably for the decoder to at least encode all audio streams into DD 5.1 first instead of maybe sending 2.0 PCM?
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Don't agree with whathifi at all.

They play a movie right after the mic calibration, of which they called it accurate. doh.gif

whathifi is like IGN, run by people who knows very little about what they're actually trying to say.

I mean look how stupid the opening is:

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If you want the convenience of a soundbar, but still want proper surround sound with the help of rear speakers, this ‘home theatre system’ is for you.
Then turn around at the end and say:

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Despite Sony’s intentions, the HT-RT5’s thin, hard sound isn’t exciting or engaging, and those rear speakers fail to deliver on the promise of true surround sound.



So basically before even diving into any details, they concluded at the beginning the HTRT5 is for you as long as you want a surround experience but then contradict and say it isn't at the end. Dafuq did I just read? rolleyes.gif shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(cteh2 @ Feb 11 2016, 07:04 PM)
Hi Bro/Sis,
I am thinking in getting 1 unit soundbar for my living room,i have narrow down to 3 model Yamaha YSP 3300 (RM 3999), Sony HT - ST9 (RM3000) and sony RT5 (RM2150), could you please give opinion which sound bar should I buy?

Also, may i know where can I find good pricing Yamaha or Sony soundbar?Harvey Norman?

Thanks in advance for the info
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Among the 3, sound quality wise the YSP 3300 is the best. Has a sub that works well with it instead of being a separate piece of equipment that sounds rather uncohesive which is what he ST9 and RT5 is, in comparison that is. Aggresive, immersive and tight bass is what the 3300 is known for.

The Sony ST9 on the other hand is more laid back, but it lacks anything that makes it special. It wants to be neutral, but it can't because when a source calls for it to handle anything in the spectrum, it doesn't do it as well as the YSP 3300. The sub for the ST9 is also obnoxiously boomy for no reason, clouding details which the ST9 doesn't already do very well at.

The RT5, obviously sounds the worst among the 3. But my experience with it has been pretty good thus far, as long as the room isn't too large. What it lacks is good sub and proper amplification. Otherwise its level of immersiveness is close to that of the YSP 3300, at nearly half the price.

Depending on the size of your living room and how it is laid out. The 3300 really works great when there are proper walls to reflect its virtual surround sound. The ST9 works in a similar way, except not as good.
The RT5 works best if your living room isn't too big because otherwise it cannot produce enough volume.


My personal opinion however is; if you are going to spend RM4k on a soundbar then I think you're way better off in just getting a pair of bookshelves. For example, the Sony SSCS5 for RM700 + a separate sub at RM2k or so. Spend the rest on a receiver or stereo amp. Just this setup alone will blow the socks off the YSP 3300, the only thing you have to deal with is some extra steps for setup.
The good thing? Your path to upgrade is only limited by your wallet down the line. The 3300 gives you zero choices for upgrading, if ever. Soundbars also lose their value much faster than individual speakers, so selling it off isn't going to be easy.
Don't give me the excuse of individual speakers being cable clutter and whatever else, that's simply not true. A stereo bookshelve setup is only 3 compulsory cables more than an all-in-one soundbar.


Conclusion: either go with the RT5 or if you are okay with spending RM4k, get a proper 2.1 setup.

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