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SSJBen
post May 8 2019, 04:40 PM

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Bigger drivers generally distort less as they push into the lower frequencies and try and play loud. I say generally because it isn't a golden rule, the design of the driver from the voice coil, the material for the cone, the magnet size, crossover network and amplificafion all plays a role.
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post Nov 30 2019, 10:15 PM

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Not only are soundbars mediocre, the people selling them are even more stupid.

Walked pass a Klipsch roadshow today, they were demo'ing the RSB-14 soundbar. Decided to stop and take a listen to hear if Klipsch has done anything proper with their take on soundbars. The promoter came up and instantly said; "this soundbar uses optical connection!" as a marketing term.

Like... just, wtf?

Using optical connection is supposed to be groundbreaking or something? Optical has been in use since the late 90s....

Just to entertain the promoter;

Me - "so can play lossless audio?".
Promoter - "can play dolby digital and DTS"
Me - "oh, so lossy audio then..."
Promoter - "yes, but it's dolby digital and DTS!"
Me - *laughs and walk away while SMH*


Sigh. The world of mainstream audio these days. mega_shok.gif

Yes, yes. Promoters these days aren't actually the experts and they're probably some part-timer who just finished their SPM and is trying to earn some pocket money. But imagine not taking 5 minutes to read up on simple foundation facts. sweat.gif

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post Oct 3 2022, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Oct 1 2022, 03:56 PM)
Higher watts louder sounds even at lower volume. Lower watts you need to crank up the volume, at high volume usually will lose sound clarity because of distortion.
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That's not how wattage works.

Speakers are measured in sensitivity (dB) x wattage @ voltage x distance. Without going into maths and explaining your experience in layman terms, the reason you hear a "higher wattage" system sounding "louder" at lower volumes (measured in dBfs) is because the speaker's impedance and sensitivity at that low input volume is lower (for the impedance) and higher (for the sensitivity).

I don't blame you, I blame manufacturers for playing the power marketing game. 99% of the population seems to believe that higher wattage = better sound. That isn't even remotely true, which is good news for big brand manufacturers.


QUOTE(sanosizo @ Oct 2 2022, 10:51 AM)
My first home theater setup was a cheap sony 5.1 bluray player with 300w total output. Volume had to be 80 and above if I really want to enjoy the sound. After few years it started giving error push power protect if I use it for long hour sessions, dropping the volume to 60 something would solve the issue. It was like cpu throttling in pc whenever a temperature threshold is reached.

I believe nowadays speakers are made from better materials, 175w maybe sounds a bit low but it probably good enough to fill a small living room. But then asking 1.9k for it is ridiculous.
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QUOTE(tmc @ Oct 2 2022, 01:22 PM)
Yeah what you say is true. Also not all brands are honest about their spec, we hope it is a case of other brands overstated their spec, while Edifier understated their spec. We can get to the bottom of this by looking at a review. But then the Edifier has no review either.
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No brands are honest about specs because the entire market would simply cease to function.

Normal humans don't understand - sensitivity (dB) x wattage @ voltage x distance. It's easier to say "1000w total output" with no THD+N distortion value than say "1watt 95db @ 1.23v - 1meter 0.01% THD+N". Meaning it's also trivial to come up with bullshit numbers to bullshit potential non-savvy customers (which is the biggest portion of the AV industry market).

You won't find the info in majority of reviews either because most reviewers are/were not engineers.

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post Oct 30 2022, 07:54 PM

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This is right now the world's best sound bar, even then it sounds like shit:

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post Nov 1 2022, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(w'lock @ Nov 1 2022, 01:59 PM)
Both Sonos and Bose 900 does not have hdmi in ,so I hv to route Zidoo to Tv first.

My LG C8 still support DTS pass through, just no e-arc.

Im not sure, if sending True HD or DTS-X signal to the tv , what type of signal will be going to the soundbar.
If it’s converted to ‘lower’ quality that’s one thing , but if it’s not giving any output then I hv to consider other soundbar.
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I don't see your problem.

If your TV has no eARC, just use ARC then?

Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD will be encoded into lossy Dolby Digital and DTS since ARC does not have the bandwidth to support anything higher. Dolby Atmos isn't a sound format, it's just metadata for 3D sound objects on top of the core track (that core track being Dolby Digital+). That said, you won't even get the benefits of Atmos on a soundbar anyways, so the point of supporting it or not is moot.
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post Jan 10 2023, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jan 10 2023, 02:12 AM)
3500 USD for a sound bar system... probably won't sway the enthuasiast



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Sounds good, on paper.

Quad subs, but they are puny subs. While multi subs is a solution for even bass across multiple seats, it requires good placement. Most people don't even know how to place a single sub, now you give them 4... lol.

And I also have doubts about the Nakamichi's room correction system. Is it going to be able to determine the correct delay (distance) and level match the entire system properly? hmm.gif


EDIT - wait hold up, I just watched the Digital Trends video and he said it is FOUR sub drivers in TWO enclosures. Lmao. That's not QUAD subs, that's just DUAL. Nice bullshit! Why did I even give the soundbar market a second look.

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