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This post has been edited by Ellewaikay: Oct 14 2012, 12:35 AM

Graduates asking for 2k at times like dis is acceptable la, depending on place also. Da price in KL n PJ should be slightly higher than dose of other places.

For example, price ofr consultant engineer is around 2.2k in KL or PJ. Where else da price in JB is around 1.8-2k. Its partly due to da living expenses, employers r not dat inconsiderate.

Yup. Food and other facilities cost more in central cities as opposed to urbans. Just name your expected salary with nego. Always think why you deserve this salary. Employer always bargain at the lowest, if you have a good reasoning to counter it, they might consider on your expected pay.

If you can comes up to university/college level then you are not stupid right, even you are 3rd class...they are just lazy. In my opinion, 1st class and 2nd class doesn't mean they are more clever than 3rd class, but at least it shows that the 1st and 2nd class willing to spent more time to achieve something and the attitude makes the differents.
For sure 3rd class is not a shining point if you are a fresh graduate...if the boss see your study as your job and you can't even manage your study, how are you going to convince the boss you can do their job well? Tell the boss you will work hard? How are you going to make people believe in you that you will work hard now but you change nothing for the past few years? Think about it....
Don't trying to say some of the 1st class students are bookworm and bla bla bla lah that kind of thing again because the efford you put in is different. 3rd class is not a shame but the 3rd class attitude should be avoid.
Anyway...it 's just my personal point of view, don't Fxxx me if you are not agree with me...

This post has been edited by Kevin_wong: Jan 27 2009, 10:32 AM

i'm a fresh graduate who had just received my first big paycheck last week. and i found out something.

I got RM200 higher than another 1st class grad who enter the mnc 1 month earlier than me. I wonder is it because she stated a lower expected salary? or is it because she graduated from a local uni?
Btw... i just got a general degree without any class.

there was a company's representative told me during career fair that there is a salary range for fresh grad, and the salary depends on which University u come from also...

I think ur expected salary is a factor too. I hav a fren work in a well known company in M'sia, the salary my fren got sure lower than the expected one....and u know what....I hav attended an interview for the same position at the same company, and my expected salary was same as what they offer my fren, but they still giv me lower than my expected salary. my fren and i come frm the same foreign U and my result is better. i only found out this after the interview cos i dont know my fren is working there before that. Then, i reject their offer. not happy.

This post has been edited by Alice_1122: Feb 1 2009, 03:43 PM

I agree with your advice on the portfolio but still disagree with the prevalent thought that 1st class students have shortcomings.

Imagine both average human equal in every way, 1 work hard to get first class and other just play-play got 3rd class. Who is hired?

Ok lets play the second term about first class lacking people skills.

Imagine both average human equal in every way but both lack people skills, 1 work hard to get first class and other just play-play got 3rd class. Who gets hired?

I think best is think of it this way

-------------+-----------+------------
...TABLE ...|...1st C ...| 3rd C
-------------+-----------+------------
Good Skill |..Great! ..| Ok
-------------+-----------+------------
..No Skills..|.... Ok ....| S**T
-------------+-----------+------------

Intelligence is an asset, industriousness is an asset, people skills is an asset... etc. The sum of assets would be a good deciding factor no?

@ 3rd class freshies:

-Go get your experience, develop yourself in working life
-Find a career path that you enjoy working- maybe your course is not what you liked to take but forced to(gov chose for you, parents chose etc).
-Realise that good effort is a fertilizer for good results
-Get yourself something first (part time at least), then scout for better offers
-Finish reading this post and get your @$$ moving!

This post has been edited by kaiserwulf: Feb 1 2009, 04:19 PM

3rd class fresh graduates can still get a job. get yourself a training in related field for a year or more. it counts as your extra added value that can be considered.

Last year, I interviewed a 3rd class engineering graduates. I asked more on technical, communication and test their attitude. Apparently he did go to training in the field which is relevant with the position that he applied.

Although he apply for project engineer (my department), he got the job as production engineer as his communication skill is a bit lacking.

This post has been edited by tidus2k: Feb 1 2009, 07:09 PM

The best is get a first class, and still know how to enjoy life, talk to people, communicate effectively. Doesnt mean that a first class holder is a nerdy guy! I've seen first class people who are good in alot of outdoor activities and know how to live a balance live. These people will have a higher chance of surviving outside.

Strive for first class! No harm trying.

Yes, 3rd class degree is basically just a worthless paper. A degree is an assurance that the holder is equipped with the necessary knowledge and wisdom which in turn increase the probability that the holder are more productive and able to perform better. 3rd class degree indicates that you hold it at its minimum.

Fortunate for you, a degree isnt the only assessment employers look at, there are 2 ways out of this predicament, 1) get a job for its working experience, (2) pursue another degree and get a better average. In my opinion, the first choice is more viable and time saving. Try not to be too picky tho.

Cheers.

i've got 3rd class honours, didnt get any call from employers via jobstreets etc. its been weeks.
sigh

what degree
what jobs u lookin for
how many applications sent out

accounting
looking for marketing jobs.
4

so fast u get frustrated ...
somemore u study accounts wan marketing job of course more difficult .. lots of ppl send out 400 applications got no call also hahaha

This post has been edited by Cynical: Mar 18 2009, 06:08 PM

If you receive 2 applications, 1 is 1st class hons, the other is 3rd class hons, who would you call?

i know. i am just thinking, since so many ppl are unemployed now. theres surely 100s of ppl applying for that one job.
many jobs requires cgpa 3 and above or minimum second upper.
they will surely screen off those ppl that doesnt qualify first right? do you think ppl actually lie about their results?

Sad but true. Unless you got lots of extra curricular stuff, or come from a prestigious uni, or overseas, or whatever, if the employer received 100 job apps for 5 vacancies why would he/she bother with calling you up?

It's not important after a few year working experience but it's important for a fresh graduate.

yeah. thats quite true. its so depressing. shd have studied harder.

Business/finance field is very result oriented, if result bad, i wish u good luck in ur future.