Wanting to buy either Peugeot 408 1.6T or 2nd Hand Volkswagen Jetta 1.4. Both at RM120k

I know both have their bads. From the owners' feedbacks the Peugeot 408T's battery cannot last long and some minor problems that can be fixed under the warranty. For the Jetta, of course the DSG gear box problem.

What are the others bads from both cars. Appreciate from owners' feedbacks. Thanks

I would say Jetta but u gotta make sure that unit is using the new version of the Mechatronics and Clutch packs.

+1, and u can guess which is the most troublesome or $$ to fix ? battery or gearbox ? jk...

u may test out both first, which give u the best feel since i assume u use it for daily. Then only think about the issue whether u wanna take the risk or not.

battery and gearbox may I say is a common problem? cuz not everyone having this issue, maybe 50 - 60% ?

Battery - I think it depends on luck..got customer using it since the day launch, no problem.

Gearbox - depends how u drive, also some customer dont have such issue either

This post has been edited by bakkutt3h: Oct 31 2013, 01:42 PM

what for?

Why not consider the new Vios?
No need to worry this and that.
Proven and out perform these two cars.

Thanks.

and bestest RV too

Thanks yapmy and bakkutt3h for the feedbacks.

The new Vios is a little too small for me and I will not think abt the RV
Will focus more on driving pleasure and repairing, go to workshop or service center quite troublesome

thanks

This post has been edited by donhay: Oct 31 2013, 02:22 PM

go for jetta but make sure it still has warranty for ease your mind in future

new always better. not sure about 408t..but ride in 308t a bit firm. if looking for jetta, might as well get the one from vw official pre ride or pre registered.

Add in 10K and get K5

Thanks Tirek and the answer for the inputs, appreciate it.

K5 Rm130k ??

go for 408.

go for 408 1.6T, its transmission is more reliable than VW dq200 gearbox

This post has been edited by fr0sti3: Oct 31 2013, 07:27 PM

I remember Peugeot warranty is 3 +2, remaining 2 years from insurance company while for VW, should be the same or 2 + 3. The later from insurance company.


If VW practicing 2 + 3 warranty scheme, it might be something u want to consider for the Jetta.

fuel efficiency Jetta is better and some how looks a bit better than 408. but my vote still goes to 408, especially with NEW smell, FOC maintainance, it's a buy and drive and you are literally liable for petrol, road tax and insurance expenses only

Thanks guys, appreciate all the feedbacks.

Both cars sure have theirs pros and cons. One thing abt conti cars, everyone knows the driving pleasure is better than japs but maintenance sure cost more.

You cannot compare 408 with Jetta because they are car of different classes

408 is a compact executive car
Jetta is a small family /compact car

The difference is

Compact executive car is a car classification term applied to premium cars smaller than executive cars. In European classification, compact and subcompact executive cars are part of the D-segment. In North American terms, close equivalents are "compact premium car", "compact luxury car", "entry-level luxury car" and "near-luxury car"

A compact car (North America), or small family car in British acceptation, is a classification of cars that are larger than a subcompact car but smaller than a mid-size car, equating roughly to the C-segment in Europe


All from Wikipedia
see:



In fact that is why even in China

408 is class in same category B with 508, C5, Passat, Camry, Teana, Accord, Mazda 6, Mondeo, Sonata , K5, BMW 3 series, Merc Class, Audi A4, etc.

don't believe me, check it over here:

http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9782
http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9781
http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9780
http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9779
http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9778

A little bit misleading since when we talk about B, we usually refer to it as the B-segment. People rarely use the classification of 'B class'.

B segment cars are the likes of Latio and also City.

China uses term of category B but check it all out in Wikipedia under 'vehicle size class' i am not making all this up, you will find China , American, Europe, Japanese, different way of classification

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_size_class




This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 2 2013, 08:23 AM

Jetta, better performance and fun to drive. 1.4cc cheaper road tax

This post has been edited by whyeo6: Nov 2 2013, 08:42 AM

No one consider Citroen?

Citiroen is above RM120k right?

Jetta pre reg 0 mileage also 139k iinm...

Thanks guys for all the feedbacks. Appreciate them.

Test drove the Peugeot 408T, have to say quite fun to drive and spacious too. Previously I was driving honda city. Power also quite good.

For a 2012 2nd hand Jetta, with less than 10,000km mileage, the price is ard RM125k.

Still deciding should i get the VW or Pug

Upgrading from a h.city to any of these two will sure give the wrong impression.
Since both of these cars are already at a different league. NA 1.5 to Turbocharged engines.

My advise, don't compare how better these cars are to your old ride. Set new benchmark and compare them between your choices.

One thing is for sure, Jetta would have almost no turbo lag at all, the Germans are better at that in this perspective. Don't just test drive by flooring it, how the car behave in stop and go traffic is important as well. It drives you nuts if the traffic requires you to control your throttle to hover around the RPM where turbo is kicked in.

This post has been edited by dtna7: Nov 4 2013, 06:14 PM

Test drive both cars and see which one you like more including interior and exterior.

Both can be problematic cars but Jetta is on the upper hand.

that's no lagy probably due to the supercharge in early stage then follow by turbo charge

Jetta is like having more problem with a lot of used unit in the market right?

u can catch the supercharger napping at times...

i caught it napping way too often...

Have test drive both and both are good cars.
Both are Conti and both uses the best engines in their categories, the VW 1.4 TSI and the BMW-PSA 1.6 THP are both awarded best international engines in their respective categories.


For about the same price, you'd get a new Pug and 2nd hand VW
Both are Euro 5 cars but Jetta has better fC i think since the engine is smaller

To me :
The Pug 408T interior is nicer and it comes in full leather
The VW Jetta exterior looks better
Pug 408T is more spacious
Pug 408T is more powerful
lastly...Pug 408T also uses Porsche 6 speed tiptronic gearbox. Since most people cannot own a Porshe, at least you'd get a Porsche Gearbox..hehe

CoffeeDude says go for Vios. I beg to disagree.

Don't think you can compare vios to the Pug 408T or the Jetta. These 2 are way ahead in terms of technology(engine and transmission systems), comfort, safety, handling and power.

oops…my mistake It was not CoffeeDude who proposes Vios, it was skyblu3. My apology dude.

Lolx... you didnt get the sarcastism at all.

No. What sarcastism are you talking about?
I was serious about the Vios. No joke, I AM SERIOUS.

seriously???

Did test drove the Jetta before and given it's small 1.4TSi engine, the power/torque is pretty decent and DSG shifts are just superb. But the accessories of the car is pretty bare. No HID/projector headlights, fabric seats etc. For that price, I just couldn't justify the purchase. Plus with all current cases of dry DSGs being plagued with failed mechatronics and clutch packs, it just doesn't make sense to trouble myself in the long run after the warranty period ends.

With the inevitable fuel hike and reduction of subsidy soon, why not consider a diesel? A 2010 BMW 320d is as low as RM130k nowadays (should be even lower next year). You get the torque of the 3.0L turbo petrol (380nm) and a decent horsepower of 184bhp. Plus, no dry DSG fault nonsense. And the diesel engine + ZF 6-spd gearbox is bullet-proof and proven. Brand, power, reliability and RWD fun all in one package, albeit being an older car.

A visit to few dealers saw some with as low as 35k km milleage with warranty and BMW'S BSRI still intact.

Those skeptics will say Malaysian diesel is dirty and smells bad but they will eat humble pie once you smoke 'em (sometimes literally) with your torque monster and yet claim a FC of 6-7L/100km. 100% city driving + rempit mode on 50% of the time still get you a 700km per full tank while pure highway driving gets you 1000km per tank.

Here's an example of current one on sale:
http://www.mudah.my/BMW+320d+M+SPORT+LCI+F...KD-23592923.htm

This post has been edited by teikwing: Nov 5 2013, 01:42 PM

Better buy house and get complimentary car




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Like I said, both are problematic but u can take a look compare between the 308 and Golf TSI, the second market for 308 at year 2011 left only 50% of the price and Golf TSI is about 70% of the price left. That is why I said the VW is on the better side as compared to Peugeot.

I fully agreed 320d is a better buy! M-sport UDM driving experience and the fuel consumption are really best of the best combination!

Vios? Seriouslly rubbish!!

Myvee will run rings around your Vios.

that's the perfect choice of all!

you don't get me, i m referring to 408, everyone knows that 408 is way different story with 308. another reason that the golf tsi fair a better 2nd value is that ppl take VW as a premium brand

these 320d has i-drive system ^^
http://www.mudah.my/BMW+320d+M+Sport+Edition-24054998.htm
http://www.mudah.my/BMW+320d+A+-23704777.htm

408 is fugly as fuark.

get civic is hell alot better lol.

jetta ftw anw

Nah.... Vios should not be comparing with 408 nor Jetta.
Almighty Vios should competing with almight K5

First time i heard someone recommending BMW for reliability

And pls don't give the wrong impression to TS that affording the same loan amount is equal to total ownership cost of the car. Something tells me you don't have a clue why that 320d is fetching that horrible resale value.

Why? Your myvee steering rack got stuck?

probably you can check at VW... i believe they have some sort of pre-reg jetta with low mileage.. around RM130K

why?

Well in general, all continental cars have bad resale value, and the first owner took most of the hit for the first 2-3 years, it's a known fact, regardless of badges. Just search on Mudah for the same year 320i (petrol version of the E90) and the same depreciation is applicable. There's nothing to do with the car being diesel or not. To add to the fact that most Malaysians are not well-educated when comes to diesel just make the resale value worse, which makes the car a bargain to get as compared to the other 2 which TS is considering.

Also, what makes you think that the total ownership cost of the other 2 options are better than the BMW by the way? Do you own a any of the 2 or BMW currently or in the past to justify your statement?

I just got mine recently after much consideration which I was initially torn between the Jetta, used Passat and the 320d. It's basically a no brainer choice in the end when I found my current unit. Joined the 3er diesel group and has found various more than satisfied owners of the same car. Heck, there is this guy who clocked 223k km milleage (claimed to be the highest clocked 320d in Malaysia) on his 2009 320d and yet the only parts replaced are the shock absorbers and oil sump nut, apart from the usual engine oil, filter and ATF change. Faultless engine and gearbox.

Yes, BMW is never known for reliability (has my fair share of experience owning the old 3er E46) but this diesel is just different. Coupled with the great fuel consumption but still get to enjoy 380nm of torque, it's just a well-rounded car.

That's a very good shortlist you have there, mate.
Especially the B6 Passat & 320d. Too bad Jetta GTI don't exist.

Well, all 3 falls within the same price range of sub-130-140k ish so its just make sense to compare all. Jetta has a 12k discount so that makes it a very interesting option, especially since it's a new car. But after reading much about the 320d, test drove and found a very sweet deal, that just seals it.

408T is more powerful then a 1.4 TSI twincharge engine?
u gotta be kidding me...

the 1.4 TSI pull much better then a 408T... no way a 408T or a 308T can keep up with a 1.4 TSI in hard acceleration from standstill or on-demand/in gear acceleration...

tested many times over even with driver swap...


btw its not a Porsche gearbox... its "Porsche software" running the gearbox...
big difference there....

well said, by the way, are you the guy who created an expenses page or the e46 from the first day of ownership (got as 2nd hand) and decided to sell off within 2 years? In bmwclubmalaysia?

I as 408T owner... I admit and agree this.
408's turbo has no match to 1.4 TSi, unless u chip it.

http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...system-failures

Just make sure you send your affected BMW to fix the issue if applicable

peugeot 408 come with 5 years free service

i am not sure whether this promo still available or not ..kindly check

for me ..i will go for 408 turbo

Thanks guys.

I have yet to test drove the Jetta. I test drove the Civic 2.0 , but don't like the interior, and found the handling not right for me. I know Civic will have better resale value, that's not important to me.

I know Vios will be more affordable and better in resale value and worth every rinngit. Its too small and too many on the road. Not my cup of teh.

Will check out the BMW 3 series diesel now.

Thanks guys for all the inputs.

I kid you not, here is another proof

Contender to VW Jetta in China is newly launch Vios
http://www.carnewschina.com/2013/11/07/new...ina-car-market/

quote

The new Toyota Vios has been launched on the China car market. Price starts at 69.800 yuan and ends at 112.800 yuan. The new Toyota Vios debuted on the Shanghai Auto Show in April, it is the cheapest Toyota branded sedan available on the Chinese auto market, competing head to head with cars like the Volkswagen Jetta and the Citroen C-Elysee.

unquote

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 7 2013, 09:31 AM

Just wait for the new Altis.

You can never go wrong with a Toyota.

except in the safety department

what for?

When the conti car breaks down in the middle of no where...worse if late at night in the middle of the highway, or even in the city...see safe or not. While waiting for tow trucks, kena rob. Conti safety department good? Bullsit

i hope u do realize car manufacturers classify their cars differently in different market...

i really hate to butt in this conversation but i think you misunderstood what he said. i think what he's talking about is the safety features of a car.

but i am not talking about car manufacturer classifying their car as they wish, i am talking about vehicle classification defined by law and regulations

China: Vehicle size categories for passenger vehicles for the China NCAP program as defined by the China Automotive Technology and Research Center (CATARC)

USA: US EPA Size Class

Europe: Euro NCAP Class (1997 - 2009)

but even if you were to ignore and disregard that, just as laymen, if you, as a prospect owner of a VW Jetta discover that the automobile code name 'Jetta' in China that you drive are only worthy as a Vios Contender (category A) in the Biggest car market in the world , how do you like it?

Surely it bother you? ignorance is not bliss, you deserve better

i hope u do realise too that vehicle classifications by laws and regulations are drawn up again after meetings between car manufacturers and law makers right?

and by classifying certain vehicle under certain categories in different market allows car manufacturers to escape or work around certain barriers/tariffs etc... i do hope u know that too...

and i do hope u know this too...
by getting their product classified under certain categories, allows them to spec down/spec up their product and thus increasing profit margin....

there is no point feeling proud that my car is classified as premium in china when in malaysia even a current corolla altis has better spec....
case in point 408 non turbo vs current altis...
altis has VSC, a "premium-classification" 408 in china don't have VSC here...

so?
can i classify those who purchase a 408-non turbo in malaysia, just because they want a car model that is classified as premium in china as ignorance or do they deserve better?

the TS is talking about 408 turbo that comes with confirmed 6 airbags (driver and front passenger side, front and rear curtain airbags), as well as electronic stability programme (ESP), which features anti-slip regulation (ASR) and dynamic stability control (DSC) functions., may i know what is the purpose you want to bring in non turbo for discussion?

and Altis? another OVERPRICED small family /compact car, do you recommend it to TS? 135k i heard (THE NEW ONE)

without knowing what the spec for NEW ALTIS for Malaysia. i can only use old Altis for our market for comparison to pug 408, Altis 1.6 E or 1.8 E are without VSC & TRC and provide only dual air bags here in Malaysia selling at 107k to 113k

while the 1.8G & 2.0V only provide dual airbags but comes with VSC & TRC at price of 123 to 132k

also the premium classification did not comes from China, it comes from wikipedia that class it under compact executive car , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Compact_executive_cars which is actually a Vernacular British English terminology

it is not about being proud or not, it is if you want a car that is literally and legimately 'a class above' (ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA & OF COZ CHINA NCAP & China Automotive Technology and Research Center (CATARC), you have a choice


This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 7 2013, 07:21 PM

408 is rated premium, hence i bring it into the picture... 408T or not...

but u still have yet to get back to me on car makers getting their cars classified lower or higher up the segment in each market...
that is how and have been the way it is done since day one...

if u have a slight inkling into how the automotive industry work beyond just spec list, u will know...
else u will just sound like a empty bucket picking up information from wiki....

wikipedia....
that just wipe credibility clean off...

the deal here is not many buyer know, right? and that is my point

Now, when it comes to getting info, where do you think the buyer is going to refer to? do you expect them to refer to how automotive industry work, how car maker (yes , please go ahead and trust them) classified lower or higher up the segment in each market. Does what makes sense to the car maker or to the car industry necessarily makes sense to car buyer, do buyer even care?

Car buyer care about spec and class , and value for money , and that you can take it to the bank

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 7 2013, 07:30 PM

anyway, the TS has already made his choice

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=64376657

Can't you smell something in my reply?
Smells something like sarcasm.

I find many here in LYN are having nose block.

nvm....
i can see what answer u are going to throw next if i respond as this response is exactly what i am expecting from previous replies... predictable..

408 is classified premium and same level as BMW in china, so it must be premium too in malaysia...

alrighty...
point taken...

welcome to the premium car club....

Wow jumping into conclusion so soon?

cant help if one choose to live in a delusional dimension

That's because you have been smelling too many sooi kwan contis

You sir are obviously the empty can loud sound making name calling person that you have described

Do you even know what is the definition of premium do you even know what is executive car and what is the different it has with a family car?

http://www.asianauto.com/

Winners of the Asian Auto Fuel Efficiency Awards 2012
Compact City Cars
1
Mitsubishi Mirage 1.2

4.8L/100km
2 Suzuki Alto 5.0L/100km
2 Hyundai I10 kappa 5.0L/100km
3 Perodua Myvi 1.3 (NEW) 6.2L/100km

Compact Premium Cars
1 Alfa Giuletta 1.4 5.2L/100km
2 Audi A1 TFSI 5.6L/100km
3 Mercedes Benz B-Class B200 5.8L/100km

Small Family Cars
1 Ford Fiesta 1.4L Manual 5.7L/100km
2 Proton Saga 1.3 Manual 6.0L/100km
3 Honda City 6.1L/100km

Small Premium Family Cars
1 VW Polo TSI 5.7L/100km
2 Ford Focus Ecoboost (NEW) 5.8L/100km
3 Mazda3 1.6 6.7L/100km

Luxury Family Cars
1 Toyota Altis 1.8L 7-Speed 5.5L/100km
2 Proton Preve 5.8L/100km
3 Volkswagen Jetta 1.4 TSI (NEW) 6.0L/100km

Premium Family Cars
1 VW Passat Sedan 1.8 TSI (NEW) 7.0L/100km
2 Volvo S60 1.6 T4 Powershift 6-Speed 7.5L/100km
2 Suzuki Kizashi 2.5 (NEW) 7.5L/100km
3 Ford Mondeo 2L EcoBoost(NEW) 7.7L/100km

Executive Cars
1 BMW 320i (NEW) 6.0L/100km
2 Mercedes C-Class 200 CGI 7.2L/100km
2 Volkswagen CC 1.8TFSI 7.2L/100km
3 Volvo S60 1.6 Turbo T4 (NEW) 7.3L/100km

Premium Executive Cars
1 BMW 520 Diesel (NEW) 5.2L/100km
2 Mercedes E-Class E200K CGI (NEW) 5.6L/100km
3 Jaguar XF 3L Diesel (NEW) 6.8L/100km

Super Saloons
1 Porsche Panamera Diesel 6.5L/100km
2 Mercedes Benz CLS 350 6.8L/km100
3 Jaguar XJL Diesel (NEW) 7.0L/100km

Performance Coupe Cars
1 Volkswagen Scirrocco TFSi 6.3L/100km
2 Toyota GT86 6.9L/100km
3 Audi A5 2L TFSI Quattro (NEW) 7.5L/100km

Performance Hot Hatch
1 Mini Cooper S JCW 6.9L/100km
2 Ford Focus ST (NEW) 7.2L/100km
3 Volkswagen Golf GTi Mk6 7.4L/100km

Pickup Trucks
1 Isuzu D-Max Hi-DEF 7.6L/100km
2 Mazda BT50 (NEW) 7.7L/100km
2 Ford Ranger XLT (NEW) 7.7L/100km
3 Mitsubishi Triton (NEW) 8.2L/100km

Compact MPV’s
1 Honda Freed 1.5L 6.1L/100km
2 Volkswagen Cross Touran 1.4L TSI 7.0L/100km
3 Toyota Avanza 1.5L 7.1L/100km

Luxury MPV’s
1 Ford S-Max Ecoboost 2L 8.1L/100km
2 VW Sharan TFSI 8.5L/100km
3 Mercedes R-Class R280 8.9L/100km

Compact SUV’s
1 Range Rover Evoque 2.2L Diesel (NEW) 5.7L/100km
2 Land Rover Freelander 2.2L TD4 Diesel 7.0L/100km
2 Subaru XV 7.0L/100km
3 BMW X3 2-L Twinturbo 7.5L/100km

Luxury SUV’s
1 Lexus RX 270 6.3L/100km
2 VW Touareg 3L Diesel 7.2L/100km
2 Porsche Cayenne Diesel 7.2L/100km
3 VW Touareg Hybrid 8.2L/100km

Premium SUV’s
1 Mitsubishi Pajero Sport VGT 2.5L Diesel (NEW) 6.7L/100km
2 Chevrolet Captiva 2.0 Diesel (NEW) 7.0L/100km
3 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2L Diesel (NEW) 7.2L/100km

Hybrids
1 Toyota Prius c (NEW) 3.7L/100km
2 Lexus CT200h 3.8L/100km
3 Toyota Prius 3rd Generation 3.9L/100km

408 is a Compact Executive Car which is in a different class from a family car

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 8 2013, 01:17 PM

here is another

NST MAYBANK COTY LIST OF WINNER CAR OF THE YEAR 2012

Compact Car of the Year – Honda CR-Z

Premium Compact Car of the Year – Mercedes-Benz B 200

Family Car of the Year – Ford Focus

Executive Car of the Year – Peugeot 508

Premium Executive Car of the Year (below RM300,000) – BMW 328i

Premium Executive Car of the Year (above RM300,000) – BMW 528i Performance Car of the Year – Toyota 86

Coupe/Cabriolet of the Year – Mercedes-Benz SLK

Station Wagon of the Year – Peugeot 508 SW

SUV of the Year – Mazda CX-5

Premium SUV of the Year – Range Rover Evoque

MPV of the Year – Proton Exora Bold

Premium MPV of the Year – Nissan Elgrand

Pick-Up Truck of the Year – Ford Ranger 2.2

Overall Car of the Year 2012 – Ford Ranger 2.2

Automotive Man of the Year 2012 – Datuk Samson Anand George, Chief Operating Officer, Nasim Sdn Bhd

Special Mention Awards

People’s Choice Award 2012 – Kia Optima

Best Value Compact Sedan of the Year – Proton Saga FLX SE

Eco Innovation Award of the Year – Nissan Leaf

Good Design Award of the Year – Hyundai Elantra sedan best design

This list of best car to buy in Malaysia is really a good guide for us to make a choice to buy a car in malaysia. Malaysia best car award by Maybank and NST is based on vote and value for money specification.

I don't see any Bently or Rolls Royce in there so this list is obviously not premium enough

they were not nominated by the judges of those awards for whatever reason. Seriously

http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/06/18/peugeot-4...for-the-family/

quote

While marketed as an executive sedan, this Gallic compact does tick a lot of the boxes necessary for a good family car.

Young executives want aggression, speed, good looks and a semi-anti-establishment disposition.

Older executives want something regal, mature, comfortable and boring.

While the 408 is a fast car, it isn't aggressive, does look good but is too fun to be old or boring.

The apple does not fall too far from the tree is an apt aphorism to define the 408's looks.

unquote

i feel like writing this,

Orang bodoh sombong tak payah diajar, tak payah ditegur. Buang masa. Dah ajar dah tunjuk, dia jugak yg betul.

i think u better re-look at what u posted from asean auto or NST and then compared it to what u class from china...

and not forgetting what i tried to teach you about cars classification and how it comes about and how it is defined according to different publications...

this is a chance for you to avoid holding your own gun pointed at yourself...


btw just to let u know about this article and how much revision is made to the article before it is allowed to be posted up...
http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/06/18/peugeot-4...for-the-family/

Wait. As far as our market is concern, I don't understand how the 408T is more "premium" or "executive" than the Jetta. Is it because of the size? Specs? Price? Fun? Or because we have to follow China? Can you explain please.

If you ask me, I'll say neither Jetta nor 408 is a premium car.

Both are mass produced cars.
Ordinary cars for normal folks.

Premium cars are 10 times the price.

Agree, both are not,at best they are is just near luxury but Jetta a near luxury small family car while 408 is a near luxury compact executive car

The reason Jetta is pricier now in Malaysia because it is CBU (with 7 speed DSG) while 408 turbo is CKD with 6 speed torque convert Auto gear

Still they are of different class.

The only premium sedan car in VW badge is Volkswagen Phaeton .

even Passat is just in a class called Large family car / Mid-size car (where 508 and C5 belongs). Only Passat CC is an executive car , not compact executive but executive mind you (which mean proper sized) which Citroen C6 & peugeot 607 (both are no longer being produced)

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 8 2013, 04:15 PM

408T is more value for money,its price even cheaper than new Altis. Plus a 5 years free service and warranty. Sufficient power to drive in town.

Only let down is the look. 10 friend of mine all said WTF

still confuse? , you get all so jumpy about me stating different class, for what? throwing wow Peugeot = BMW of premium class out of nowhere, that is why i ask you do you know what is definition of premium

Premium is a term too sparingly used by media . NST is a media Asean Auto is a media, the only sense making term nowadays is luxury. Now do you get me? Did I ever say Peugeot is a luxury brand? at most i say it is near luxury, did i not? just like VW , it is near luxury, but near is not quite there.

I never say 408 is a luxury, it is you who has kept on jumping to that conclusion when i say different class. The class i was referring to is about the body & chassis class, but you were to jumpy to have notice that, look again



I must add, if you know so much as you claim, in China their Jetta is of different size, see

http://www.vw.com.cn/zh/models/new_jetta/T...dd7186d5f8e6fa3
L/W/H = 4473 / 1706 / 1469
w/base 2603


the malaysia Jetta
http://www.volkswagen.com.my/en/models/Jet...479a8b59a30f664

Length/width/height, mm 4644/1778/1482
Wheelbase, mm 2651


Get it now? that is why in China the Jetta is only good as Vios contender (just look at its miserable size there)


p/s jumpy is my way of describing some one who is too quick to jump to conclusion

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 8 2013, 06:09 PM

wiki again...

yay...

apparently u dont get how car manufacturers position their product differently in different market...
and there is reason why they use certain product name that can be higher or lower "class" according to market...

going into discussion...
but by taking the same namesake from china and compared it to what is available in the rest of the world...

u take the cake man with your idea and concept...

same name plate but build and based on differently and u equate it with what we have in malaysia...
wow...


let me give u a hint, try comparing jetta malaysia and sagitar...
see the drift?



and now u play body class word and i have to ask again, all this terms are coined by who again?


This post has been edited by kcng: Nov 8 2013, 07:10 PM

u got a long way to go...

So no more jumping into conclusion . Good, you are cured. Glad I have helped. No need to thank me, you are welcomed

End of the day, I still think Jetta, Civic, Altis, Mazda 3 and 408 belong in the same category of car regardless of how they class it. Btw, I think Jetta looks like it's selling a lot better than the 408. At least these days, I see an average of 4 to 6 Jettas on the road in comparison to 2 to 3 408s.

Rumor mill has it that VW Jetta is about to hit the 130kish price range because of CKD. Expect sales to rocket higher