You cannot compare 408 with Jetta because they are car of different classes

408 is a compact executive car
Jetta is a small family /compact car

The difference is

Compact executive car is a car classification term applied to premium cars smaller than executive cars. In European classification, compact and subcompact executive cars are part of the D-segment. In North American terms, close equivalents are "compact premium car", "compact luxury car", "entry-level luxury car" and "near-luxury car"

A compact car (North America), or small family car in British acceptation, is a classification of cars that are larger than a subcompact car but smaller than a mid-size car, equating roughly to the C-segment in Europe


All from Wikipedia
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In fact that is why even in China

408 is class in same category B with 508, C5, Passat, Camry, Teana, Accord, Mazda 6, Mondeo, Sonata , K5, BMW 3 series, Merc Class, Audi A4, etc.

don't believe me, check it over here:

http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9782
http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9781
http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9780
http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9779
http://www.chinaautoreview.com/pub/CARArticle.aspx?ID=9778

China uses term of category B but check it all out in Wikipedia under 'vehicle size class' i am not making all this up, you will find China , American, Europe, Japanese, different way of classification

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_size_class




This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 2 2013, 08:23 AM

Better buy house and get complimentary car




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http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...system-failures

Just make sure you send your affected BMW to fix the issue if applicable

I kid you not, here is another proof

Contender to VW Jetta in China is newly launch Vios
http://www.carnewschina.com/2013/11/07/new...ina-car-market/

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The new Toyota Vios has been launched on the China car market. Price starts at 69.800 yuan and ends at 112.800 yuan. The new Toyota Vios debuted on the Shanghai Auto Show in April, it is the cheapest Toyota branded sedan available on the Chinese auto market, competing head to head with cars like the Volkswagen Jetta and the Citroen C-Elysee.

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This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 7 2013, 09:31 AM

but i am not talking about car manufacturer classifying their car as they wish, i am talking about vehicle classification defined by law and regulations

China: Vehicle size categories for passenger vehicles for the China NCAP program as defined by the China Automotive Technology and Research Center (CATARC)

USA: US EPA Size Class

Europe: Euro NCAP Class (1997 - 2009)

but even if you were to ignore and disregard that, just as laymen, if you, as a prospect owner of a VW Jetta discover that the automobile code name 'Jetta' in China that you drive are only worthy as a Vios Contender (category A) in the Biggest car market in the world , how do you like it?

Surely it bother you? ignorance is not bliss, you deserve better

the TS is talking about 408 turbo that comes with confirmed 6 airbags (driver and front passenger side, front and rear curtain airbags), as well as electronic stability programme (ESP), which features anti-slip regulation (ASR) and dynamic stability control (DSC) functions., may i know what is the purpose you want to bring in non turbo for discussion?

and Altis? another OVERPRICED small family /compact car, do you recommend it to TS? 135k i heard (THE NEW ONE)

without knowing what the spec for NEW ALTIS for Malaysia. i can only use old Altis for our market for comparison to pug 408, Altis 1.6 E or 1.8 E are without VSC & TRC and provide only dual air bags here in Malaysia selling at 107k to 113k

while the 1.8G & 2.0V only provide dual airbags but comes with VSC & TRC at price of 123 to 132k

also the premium classification did not comes from China, it comes from wikipedia that class it under compact executive car , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Compact_executive_cars which is actually a Vernacular British English terminology

it is not about being proud or not, it is if you want a car that is literally and legimately 'a class above' (ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA & OF COZ CHINA NCAP & China Automotive Technology and Research Center (CATARC), you have a choice


This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 7 2013, 07:21 PM

the deal here is not many buyer know, right? and that is my point

Now, when it comes to getting info, where do you think the buyer is going to refer to? do you expect them to refer to how automotive industry work, how car maker (yes , please go ahead and trust them) classified lower or higher up the segment in each market. Does what makes sense to the car maker or to the car industry necessarily makes sense to car buyer, do buyer even care?

Car buyer care about spec and class , and value for money , and that you can take it to the bank

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 7 2013, 07:30 PM

anyway, the TS has already made his choice

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=64376657

Wow jumping into conclusion so soon?

You sir are obviously the empty can loud sound making name calling person that you have described

Do you even know what is the definition of premium do you even know what is executive car and what is the different it has with a family car?

http://www.asianauto.com/

Winners of the Asian Auto Fuel Efficiency Awards 2012
Compact City Cars
1
Mitsubishi Mirage 1.2

4.8L/100km
2 Suzuki Alto 5.0L/100km
2 Hyundai I10 kappa 5.0L/100km
3 Perodua Myvi 1.3 (NEW) 6.2L/100km

Compact Premium Cars
1 Alfa Giuletta 1.4 5.2L/100km
2 Audi A1 TFSI 5.6L/100km
3 Mercedes Benz B-Class B200 5.8L/100km

Small Family Cars
1 Ford Fiesta 1.4L Manual 5.7L/100km
2 Proton Saga 1.3 Manual 6.0L/100km
3 Honda City 6.1L/100km

Small Premium Family Cars
1 VW Polo TSI 5.7L/100km
2 Ford Focus Ecoboost (NEW) 5.8L/100km
3 Mazda3 1.6 6.7L/100km

Luxury Family Cars
1 Toyota Altis 1.8L 7-Speed 5.5L/100km
2 Proton Preve 5.8L/100km
3 Volkswagen Jetta 1.4 TSI (NEW) 6.0L/100km

Premium Family Cars
1 VW Passat Sedan 1.8 TSI (NEW) 7.0L/100km
2 Volvo S60 1.6 T4 Powershift 6-Speed 7.5L/100km
2 Suzuki Kizashi 2.5 (NEW) 7.5L/100km
3 Ford Mondeo 2L EcoBoost(NEW) 7.7L/100km

Executive Cars
1 BMW 320i (NEW) 6.0L/100km
2 Mercedes C-Class 200 CGI 7.2L/100km
2 Volkswagen CC 1.8TFSI 7.2L/100km
3 Volvo S60 1.6 Turbo T4 (NEW) 7.3L/100km

Premium Executive Cars
1 BMW 520 Diesel (NEW) 5.2L/100km
2 Mercedes E-Class E200K CGI (NEW) 5.6L/100km
3 Jaguar XF 3L Diesel (NEW) 6.8L/100km

Super Saloons
1 Porsche Panamera Diesel 6.5L/100km
2 Mercedes Benz CLS 350 6.8L/km100
3 Jaguar XJL Diesel (NEW) 7.0L/100km

Performance Coupe Cars
1 Volkswagen Scirrocco TFSi 6.3L/100km
2 Toyota GT86 6.9L/100km
3 Audi A5 2L TFSI Quattro (NEW) 7.5L/100km

Performance Hot Hatch
1 Mini Cooper S JCW 6.9L/100km
2 Ford Focus ST (NEW) 7.2L/100km
3 Volkswagen Golf GTi Mk6 7.4L/100km

Pickup Trucks
1 Isuzu D-Max Hi-DEF 7.6L/100km
2 Mazda BT50 (NEW) 7.7L/100km
2 Ford Ranger XLT (NEW) 7.7L/100km
3 Mitsubishi Triton (NEW) 8.2L/100km

Compact MPV’s
1 Honda Freed 1.5L 6.1L/100km
2 Volkswagen Cross Touran 1.4L TSI 7.0L/100km
3 Toyota Avanza 1.5L 7.1L/100km

Luxury MPV’s
1 Ford S-Max Ecoboost 2L 8.1L/100km
2 VW Sharan TFSI 8.5L/100km
3 Mercedes R-Class R280 8.9L/100km

Compact SUV’s
1 Range Rover Evoque 2.2L Diesel (NEW) 5.7L/100km
2 Land Rover Freelander 2.2L TD4 Diesel 7.0L/100km
2 Subaru XV 7.0L/100km
3 BMW X3 2-L Twinturbo 7.5L/100km

Luxury SUV’s
1 Lexus RX 270 6.3L/100km
2 VW Touareg 3L Diesel 7.2L/100km
2 Porsche Cayenne Diesel 7.2L/100km
3 VW Touareg Hybrid 8.2L/100km

Premium SUV’s
1 Mitsubishi Pajero Sport VGT 2.5L Diesel (NEW) 6.7L/100km
2 Chevrolet Captiva 2.0 Diesel (NEW) 7.0L/100km
3 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2L Diesel (NEW) 7.2L/100km

Hybrids
1 Toyota Prius c (NEW) 3.7L/100km
2 Lexus CT200h 3.8L/100km
3 Toyota Prius 3rd Generation 3.9L/100km

408 is a Compact Executive Car which is in a different class from a family car

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 8 2013, 01:17 PM

here is another

NST MAYBANK COTY LIST OF WINNER CAR OF THE YEAR 2012

Compact Car of the Year – Honda CR-Z

Premium Compact Car of the Year – Mercedes-Benz B 200

Family Car of the Year – Ford Focus

Executive Car of the Year – Peugeot 508

Premium Executive Car of the Year (below RM300,000) – BMW 328i

Premium Executive Car of the Year (above RM300,000) – BMW 528i Performance Car of the Year – Toyota 86

Coupe/Cabriolet of the Year – Mercedes-Benz SLK

Station Wagon of the Year – Peugeot 508 SW

SUV of the Year – Mazda CX-5

Premium SUV of the Year – Range Rover Evoque

MPV of the Year – Proton Exora Bold

Premium MPV of the Year – Nissan Elgrand

Pick-Up Truck of the Year – Ford Ranger 2.2

Overall Car of the Year 2012 – Ford Ranger 2.2

Automotive Man of the Year 2012 – Datuk Samson Anand George, Chief Operating Officer, Nasim Sdn Bhd

Special Mention Awards

People’s Choice Award 2012 – Kia Optima

Best Value Compact Sedan of the Year – Proton Saga FLX SE

Eco Innovation Award of the Year – Nissan Leaf

Good Design Award of the Year – Hyundai Elantra sedan best design

This list of best car to buy in Malaysia is really a good guide for us to make a choice to buy a car in malaysia. Malaysia best car award by Maybank and NST is based on vote and value for money specification.

they were not nominated by the judges of those awards for whatever reason. Seriously

http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/06/18/peugeot-4...for-the-family/

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While marketed as an executive sedan, this Gallic compact does tick a lot of the boxes necessary for a good family car.

Young executives want aggression, speed, good looks and a semi-anti-establishment disposition.

Older executives want something regal, mature, comfortable and boring.

While the 408 is a fast car, it isn't aggressive, does look good but is too fun to be old or boring.

The apple does not fall too far from the tree is an apt aphorism to define the 408's looks.

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i feel like writing this,

Orang bodoh sombong tak payah diajar, tak payah ditegur. Buang masa. Dah ajar dah tunjuk, dia jugak yg betul.

Agree, both are not,at best they are is just near luxury but Jetta a near luxury small family car while 408 is a near luxury compact executive car

The reason Jetta is pricier now in Malaysia because it is CBU (with 7 speed DSG) while 408 turbo is CKD with 6 speed torque convert Auto gear

Still they are of different class.

The only premium sedan car in VW badge is Volkswagen Phaeton .

even Passat is just in a class called Large family car / Mid-size car (where 508 and C5 belongs). Only Passat CC is an executive car , not compact executive but executive mind you (which mean proper sized) which Citroen C6 & peugeot 607 (both are no longer being produced)

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 8 2013, 04:15 PM

still confuse? , you get all so jumpy about me stating different class, for what? throwing wow Peugeot = BMW of premium class out of nowhere, that is why i ask you do you know what is definition of premium

Premium is a term too sparingly used by media . NST is a media Asean Auto is a media, the only sense making term nowadays is luxury. Now do you get me? Did I ever say Peugeot is a luxury brand? at most i say it is near luxury, did i not? just like VW , it is near luxury, but near is not quite there.

I never say 408 is a luxury, it is you who has kept on jumping to that conclusion when i say different class. The class i was referring to is about the body & chassis class, but you were to jumpy to have notice that, look again



I must add, if you know so much as you claim, in China their Jetta is of different size, see

http://www.vw.com.cn/zh/models/new_jetta/T...dd7186d5f8e6fa3
L/W/H = 4473 / 1706 / 1469
w/base 2603


the malaysia Jetta
http://www.volkswagen.com.my/en/models/Jet...479a8b59a30f664

Length/width/height, mm 4644/1778/1482
Wheelbase, mm 2651


Get it now? that is why in China the Jetta is only good as Vios contender (just look at its miserable size there)


p/s jumpy is my way of describing some one who is too quick to jump to conclusion

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Nov 8 2013, 06:09 PM

So no more jumping into conclusion . Good, you are cured. Glad I have helped. No need to thank me, you are welcomed

Yes with mathematical certainty

The sad thing, I agree is general Malaysian has been conditioned to subscribe to conventional European car segmentation and hold it dearly as the gospel truth. When there is another way of looking at it, a different perspective, before we closely examine them, we are all too quickly to labelled it delusional, non sense, ridicule it and hoping it to go away. Japanese car makers have long taught European and American car makers never ever underestimate a different approach, a different way of doing things, the danger of follow the norm, progress is made because of challenging the conventional, breaking the barrier. such know it all attitude is dangerous, such funnel vision of looking at only what is relevant to Msian only is hindering your thought process.