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post Mar 28 2015, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 28 2015, 09:10 PM)
Hello folks,

I understand that the general recommendation is that a person's total monthly repayment for loans (housing, car, etc.) should not exceed 30% of his/her net income.

However I'm just curious, with the current high prices of housing are you actually able to do this in real life ?
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post Mar 28 2015, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Mar 28 2015, 09:33 PM)
You can no need to follow.
But once you have a family and parents to take care of, you will know the pain sweat.gif
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True but I'm just wondering what the actual percentage is like for Malaysians nowadays. I get the impression that it's a lot higher than 30%
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post Mar 28 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 28 2015, 10:18 PM)
True but I'm just wondering what the actual percentage is like for Malaysians nowadays. I get the impression that it's a lot higher than 30%
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For me its 36%.. sad.gif
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post Mar 29 2015, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 28 2015, 10:18 PM)
True but I'm just wondering what the actual percentage is like for Malaysians nowadays. I get the impression that it's a lot higher than 30%
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85% in average thumbup.gif
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post Mar 29 2015, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(giggs_509 @ Mar 28 2015, 10:41 PM)
For me its 36%.. sad.gif
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Seems alright to me.

QUOTE(supersound @ Mar 29 2015, 01:04 AM)
85% in average thumbup.gif
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Not sure if this is even possible for loan approvals. But if true then there's very little buffer for unplanned expenses.
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post Mar 29 2015, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 29 2015, 11:47 AM)
......... But if true then there's very little buffer for unplanned expenses.
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hmm.gif at times there is NO buffer or "negative buffer" yet the bank approves it...
a friend of mine
income RM 8000 pm
minus EPF, PCB tax, Socso
net about RM 6000 pm
recently bank loan approves RM 4000 per month loan installment.... doh.gif ....
to add some thought....he is a bread winner with a wife and 2 kids.... doh.gif
just wondering what is the loan approval criteria?
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post Mar 29 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 29 2015, 11:47 AM)
Seems alright to me.
Not sure if this is even possible for loan approvals. But if true then there's very little buffer for unplanned expenses.
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Already came out from newspapers, we are the highest in Asia currently whistling.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 29 2015, 12:01 PM)
hmm.gif at times there is NO buffer or "negative buffer" yet the bank approves it...
a friend of mine
income RM 8000 pm
minus EPF, PCB tax, Socso
net about RM 6000 pm
recently bank loan approves RM 4000 per month loan installment.... doh.gif ....
to add some thought....he is a bread winner with a wife and 2 kids.... doh.gif
just wondering what is the loan approval criteria?
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I didn't know it was even possible to get that high a margin, unless the wife is also working.
Otherwise it doesn't make much sense. 2000 net to support a family of four will be a challenge.

QUOTE(supersound @ Mar 29 2015, 12:21 PM)
Already came out from newspapers, we are the highest in Asia currently whistling.gif
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But that's the household debt in reference to GDP, we're talking about a slightly different statistic here.
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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 29 2015, 12:31 PM)
I didn't know it was even possible to get that high a margin, unless the wife is also working.
Otherwise it doesn't make much sense. 2000 net to support a family of four will be a challenge.
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the wife is co owner of new condo...did not submit name to take loan. the husband is the sole borrower.
my 1st reaction was...WOW...the bank really want you to die-lah...
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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 29 2015, 12:31 PM)
I didn't know it was even possible to get that high a margin, unless the wife is also working.
Otherwise it doesn't make much sense. 2000 net to support a family of four will be a challenge.
But that's the household debt in reference to GDP, we're talking about a slightly different statistic here.
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Yup, is total, but housing loan average about 50-60%. So, it is still freaking high.
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post Mar 30 2015, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 28 2015, 09:10 PM)
Hello folks,

I understand that the general recommendation is that a person's total monthly repayment for loans (housing, car, etc.) should not exceed 30% of his/her net income.

However I'm just curious, with the current high prices of housing are you actually able to do this in real life ?
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It is possible if you don't buy an expensive house or take a big loan.

Also possible if you've fully paid your car loan or bought a cheap car or ride a motor.


A 250k loan can come up to RM1.2k in monthly payments for a 30 year loan. (Apartment)

A 500k loan can up tp RM2.5k/month. (Landed house)

A 9 year car loan of 80k, can be up to RM925/month. (Vios)

A 9 year car loan of 30k can be as low as RM350/month (Perodua Axia)

Also depending how much initial cash you have for down-payments.


Even if you earn RM10k/month but still take crazy amounts of debt to finance a big house and a big car, you still won't be able to hit the 30% target for loan repayments.

So in essence, if a person wants to control his expenses, he must control his debt.

This post has been edited by Skidd Chung: Mar 30 2015, 06:42 AM
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post Apr 1 2015, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(melvin471 @ Mar 28 2015, 06:42 PM)
I already have 40k medical card from my company but It is only there for me to use while im employed.
So you are saying i need to buy one myself? If yes how much coverage do i need?

Thanks.

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Medical cards become more expensive when you're older, overweight , smoking etc. So maybe it's a good idea to get it early when you're still young and fit. If ever you have a medical emergency you can use your company's card first
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Apr 1 2015, 07:46 AM)
Medical cards become more expensive when you're older, overweight , smoking etc. So maybe it's a good idea to get it early when you're still young and fit. If ever you have a medical emergency you can use your company's card first
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hmm.gif will the premium paid for the medical card that you got it "cheaper" during your younger days continue to rise when you are older?
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 29 2015, 12:01 PM)
hmm.gif at times there is NO buffer or "negative buffer" yet the bank approves it...
a friend of mine
income RM 8000 pm
minus EPF, PCB tax, Socso
net about RM 6000 pm
recently bank loan approves RM 4000 per month loan installment.... doh.gif ....
to add some thought....he is a bread winner with a wife and 2 kids.... doh.gif
just wondering what is the loan approval criteria?
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I think the bank consider EPF account 2 as income also, because you can withdraw it monthly to pay your housing loan...
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post Apr 1 2015, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(nevland @ Apr 1 2015, 08:23 AM)
I think the bank consider EPF account 2 as income also, because you can withdraw it monthly to pay your housing loan...
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Possible....but from the maths above...he is left with RM 2000 pm to fed a family and etc....
if "can" take EPF a/c 2 to pay......I think it can just last 2~3 years only (4000x12x3=144 000)
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Apr 1 2015, 07:46 AM)
Medical cards become more expensive when you're older, overweight , smoking etc. So maybe it's a good idea to get it early when you're still young and fit. If ever you have a medical emergency you can use your company's card first
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as pointed out by another forummer...

i like to point out is... it is NOT 'cheaper' even if you buy your medical card earlier... if you buy yours at age 30 and i bought mine when i was 20... when we are both at age 50 (barring any price hike) respectively 20 years and 30 years later... the premium is STILL the same

the only difference is
a) health condition on approval of medical condition. the older you get, the higher chance of having a health condition
b) loading on original premium as a result of health condition



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QUOTE(adele123 @ Apr 1 2015, 09:08 AM)
as pointed out by another forummer...

i like to point out is... it is NOT 'cheaper' even if you buy your medical card earlier... if you buy yours at age 30 and i bought mine when i was 20... when we are both at age 50 (barring any price hike) respectively 20 years and 30 years later... the premium is STILL the same

the only difference is
a) health condition on approval of medical condition. the older you get, the higher chance of having a health condition
b) loading on original premium as a result of health condition
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sh.. don't break ppl's rice bowl sweat.gif

the BS must continue for lousy agents to make $ neh - buy younger = cheaper... (unless U factor in total paid in life time +cost of $ AKA inflation AKA $1 when 20 = $10 when 40 kinda thing)
don't enlighten the masses lar laugh.gif

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 28 2015, 10:18 PM)
True but I'm just wondering what the actual percentage is like for Malaysians nowadays. I get the impression that it's a lot higher than 30%
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If not mistaken, bank will approve your housing loan if our total monthly commitment is less than 70% of your total income.

This post has been edited by enriquelee: Apr 1 2015, 10:09 AM
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post Apr 1 2015, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 1 2015, 10:02 AM)
sh.. don't break ppl's rice bowl sweat.gif

the BS must continue for lousy agents to make $ neh - buy younger = cheaper... (unless U factor in total paid in life time +cost of $ AKA inflation AKA $1 when 20 = $10 when 40 kinda thing)
don't enlighten the masses lar  laugh.gif
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cannot la wong sifu. like chinese saying you know, if we see any injustice on the road, one must draw out his knife to help tongue.gif

but yes, like you say, inflation whatever not or even premium increase by insurers, etc... but yes... i don't want to break rice bowl... just... hand itchy must type.

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