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post Oct 18 2013, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 01:21 PM)
bro may i know why u post everything also don share sos one? sad.gif
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Oh sry... not everything mang, i'm posting this like ninja at work because manager is around and sometime i forgot some details. ph34r.gif


http://videocardz.com/46912/official-amd-r...geforce-gtx-780
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post Oct 18 2013, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 18 2013, 01:43 PM)
Oh sry... not everything mang, i'm posting this like ninja at work because manager is around and sometime i forgot some details. ph34r.gif
http://videocardz.com/46912/official-amd-r...geforce-gtx-780
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thanks bro

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I backed off a bit in BioShock Infinite, although the Very High detail preset still looks great. As you can see, Radeon R9 290X has little trouble posting higher average frame rates yet again. It’s worth noting that these are Fraps-based numbers—in single-GPU configurations, the results from Fraps and FCAT track closely anyway.

There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…

With that, I should probably get back to the lab before I get myself into trouble.

this also no sos.. but this say lousy and then u posted the last one 290x win 780 in quiet mode. so not match one?
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post Oct 18 2013, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 01:45 PM)
thanks bro

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I backed off a bit in BioShock Infinite, although the Very High detail preset still looks great. As you can see, Radeon R9 290X has little trouble posting higher average frame rates yet again. It’s worth noting that these are Fraps-based numbers—in single-GPU configurations, the results from Fraps and FCAT track closely anyway.

There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…

With that, I should probably get back to the lab before I get myself into trouble.

this also no sos.. but this say lousy and then u posted the last one 290x win 780 in quiet mode. so not match one?
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There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…


Hohoho. Will be interesting to see the official numbers vs Titan. brows.gif Can't wait for the official lauch. lol
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post Oct 18 2013, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Oct 18 2013, 01:55 PM)
There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…
Hohoho. Will be interesting to see the official numbers vs Titan. brows.gif Can't wait for the official lauch. lol
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what doesn't just do well means it's doing more than just do well or? ayam confused with this!!
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post Oct 18 2013, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 01:45 PM)
thanks bro
this also no sos.. but this say lousy and then u posted the last one 290x win 780 in quiet mode. so not match one?
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Because the sauce is in the 1st post in Page 17, i forgot to quote him.
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post Oct 18 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 02:07 PM)
what doesn't just do well means it's doing more than just do well or? ayam confused with this!!
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lol no wonder - A lot of people misread that line.
Does not just do well against = It performs good against many cards, not just GTX780.

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post Oct 18 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 18 2013, 02:08 PM)
Because the sauce is in the 1st post in Page 17, i forgot to quote him.
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oh okay.. will wait for more reviewers n the official release icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 18 2013, 02:27 PM

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Feedbacks from OCN forumer that went to the event
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Just came back from the AMD event in Montreal and wanted to share the info I got. The event was in a small room with 3 AMD guys, 2 identical rigs (except for GPUS) and some refreshments.

I think the specs/benchmarks have already been posted so I'll just post some observations and other info I got from the AMD guys.

- The 290X was MUCH smoother than the GTX 780 (The GTX780 was tearing like a mofo in Bioshock Infinite, painful to watch...)
- The 290X has a "UBER-mode" switch on the side which he couldn't tell more about because of NDA
- 280X is still Tahiti but it's a "completely new ASIC"
- Never Settle will not be bundled with R7/R9 series at launch but will be eventually. It will still be bundled with 7970, etc
- The 290X was surprisingly very quiet and looks amazing (much better than GTX780 IMO, I love black biggrin.gif)
- 290X is HDMI 1.4 (not 2.0, so it's limited to 30Hz @ 4K on HDMI)
- NDA lifting this month "for sure"
- They are testing some BETA drivers with 12K (3 x 4K) eyefinity support which they will be releasing soon
- He would not let me run GPUz... frown.gif
- Very disappointed by 4K, expected a lot more. Not worth it IMO

I have some pics but they are very blurry, I can dump them in an imgur album if you guys really want to see them.

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-He also said their aim is to compete with the GTX 780 and not the Titan. Surprisingly, Bioshock Infinite had the 290x beating the 780 by about 15% but in Tomb Raider only about 5%. It's weird considering Bioshock tends to favor NVIDIA and Tomb Raider AMD. He couldn't reveal the price but he did tell me we'd be ''extremely happy'' about it. Considering it's aiming to compete with the 780, I wouldn't be surprised to see it priced lower.

-He didn't tell me Never Settle bundles will be eventually included with the R series, he simply told me people love bundles and it's a great incentive to buy so they'll definitely try to have some in the future.

-The Sharp monitors were both 4K 60HZ and 30''. They looked good but not nearly enough to justify their ridiculous price tags of 3,000$+. 4K doesn't look that much better than 1600p at that screen size but that's probably due to the screen being too small to display UHD in its full glory. Still, for those who absolutely want a 4K 27'', you'll be disappointed.

-290X is designed to run at 95c so it'll get hot but it won't throttle nor get damaged by this. This is the target they're aiming for. The GPU will run really hot but will still be stable.

-Mantle will be strictly up to the developers to use or not to use. They apparently have some big name players in the field who will use Mantle. Dice is the first big one but expect to see more in the near future. Mantle is what everyone say it is. It brings a console-like development environment to the PC. I wouldn't hold my breath for 20% better performance. I would however expect much smoother and better ports.

-The tech demo showing Ruby with the not so great TressFX had around 23 different effects designed by AMD and it was just a beta. A finished version will apparently look much better.

-CPU's running on both systems were i7-3960X.

-The AMD rep said he saw the rumors about the pricing online and the most widely accepted prices are ''completely wrong''.

-He couldn't reveal anything about the specs. No GPU-Z. Nothing. Just the cards as is.

- I attempted to get the price out of him by first asking how much the monitors were worth and then by asking how much the whole system was worth. He didn't bite


Sauce: [LR] AMD To Show Off Radeon R9 290X Video Card in Montreal Tomorrow! - Page 22
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post Oct 18 2013, 02:34 PM

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The part I am most excited...

"He couldn't reveal the price but he did tell me we'd be ''extremely happy'' about it."

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-290X is designed to run at 95c so it'll get hot but it won't throttle nor get damaged by this. This is the target they're aiming for. The GPU will run really hot but will still be stable.

now, i have a Q, not to bash but i did not just get it. we have msi lightning which has some very good chip/components to OC the card the hell of it, but on nvidia, it implement a restriction on it where once it hit the temp, it will throttle down. my Q, what is the usage/benefit of getting special edition such as lightning/soc/classified version when you can't oc to the full potential or till it break down? hmm.gif

amd does not place this restriction right?
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 18 2013, 02:38 PM)
now, i have a Q, not to bash but i did not just get it. we have msi lightning which has some very good chip/components to OC the card the hell of it, but on nvidia, it implement a restriction on it where once it hit the temp, it will throttle down. my Q, what is the usage/benefit of getting special edition such as lightning/soc/classified version when you can't oc to the full potential or till it break down?  hmm.gif

amd does not place this restriction right?
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yeap dunno why Nvidia always 'blocking' stuffs from this n that while AMD open their legs wide wide for u to punish their GPU.. might be that if Nvidia let everything go full potential then they have no more stuffs in their pockets to counter-attack later? hmm.gif
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post Oct 18 2013, 02:46 PM

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but we can roughly guess the price right? someone said they started to let pre-orders at usd700+??
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post Oct 18 2013, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 18 2013, 02:38 PM)
now, i have a Q, not to bash but i did not just get it. we have msi lightning which has some very good chip/components to OC the card the hell of it, but on nvidia, it implement a restriction on it where once it hit the temp, it will throttle down. my Q, what is the usage/benefit of getting special edition such as lightning/soc/classified version when you can't oc to the full potential or till it break down?  hmm.gif

amd does not place this restriction right?
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 02:42 PM)
yeap dunno why Nvidia always 'blocking' stuffs from this n that while AMD open their legs wide wide for u to punish their GPU.. might be that if Nvidia let everything go full potential then they have no more stuffs in their pockets to counter-attack later? hmm.gif
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Hence higher failure rate of AMD GPU compare to Nvidia and one of the "reason" behind Origin PC dropped AMD GPU in their built.
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post Oct 18 2013, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 18 2013, 03:12 PM)
Hence higher failure rate of AMD GPU compare to Nvidia and one of the "reason" behind Origin PC dropped AMD GPU in their built.
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lol. okie. make sense from pov on business. but as consumer, heck i juz want the hell out of my money spent. i even overvolt/oc my gpu till my psu unable to supply the power to my pc = auto shutdown. but i'm satisfied with the extra few fps without forking out extra $$. for me, OC capability is one of the criteria to look at when buying cpu/gpu.
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 18 2013, 03:17 PM)
lol. okie. make sense from pov on business. but as consumer, heck i juz want the hell out of my money spent. i even overvolt/oc my gpu till my psu unable to supply the power to my pc = auto shutdown. but i'm satisfied with the extra few fps without forking out extra $$. for me, OC capability is one of the criteria to look at when buying cpu/gpu.
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Indeed, i really hate when i can't have full control of the item i purchased. It's like buying a million dollar ferrari car but you can only drive it on the their track. laugh.gif

That's why i scrapped the idea of buying reference GTX670 which cost 200 more. OC is definitely a criteria i looked for when i bought my 7950 last January,
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AMD cards do throttle, I tried remove their heatsink, the temps shootup to 99C and it throttles. I managed not to fry my card. It happened with one of my HD6xxx-series. HD7xxx-series have this, too.
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 18 2013, 03:36 PM)
AMD cards do throttle, I tried remove their heatsink, the temps shootup to 99C and it throttles. I managed not to fry my card. It happened with one of my HD6xxx-series. HD7xxx-series have this, too.
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cheap gpu to become your white mouse? laugh.gif
i think that 1 is the safe-guard (throttle). iinm 105C is the breaking point = gpu fried. hence at 99C the throttle kicks in. but i think no one would like to have our gc at 99C even tho its stable lulz. 90C is still an acceptable range for me if oc kaw kaw. (previous 7870xt indeed reach 90C on furmark.....).
aside this, vram can easily hit 100C above (around 110 to be exact-but google say vram can withstand up to 125C).....7870xt, vapor-x 4get
as long as amd did not implement 80C throttle or below, i'm a happy GPU OC'er. my vapor-x + 2 custom fan manage to keep the gc under 75C on extensive gaming - Splinter Cell Blacklist - vysnc off usage 95% and above on gameplay. (board li-on +20 - i don't quite understand how this works anyway doh.gif ).

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sai86If only I play games, then I would be able to relate.
I buy the cards, overclock, undervolt and re-profile the fans, to make them run below 70C under stress.
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Anyone been able to test out the R-series yet? Just wanna hear some opinions from the crowd. I don't trust the review from IT websites.
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