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sunblaze
post Oct 8 2013, 11:54 AM

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the number of impatient fans already flaming DM & Fellaini on the internet is quite staggering @_@


Feel for Fellaini, getting injured so soon after his move.

Considering it took Evra and Vidic around half a season after their transfers to get into the swing of things and really start performing, and Carrick took years of stick before being lauded.. Afroman is gonna have a rough road ahead.
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post Oct 8 2013, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(daydreaming @ Oct 8 2013, 11:41 AM)
SAF did give a chance to youngsters, but only in league cup. smile.gif kids below 20 hardly get the chance to play in premier league matches. either that, or we din have any promising youngsters during SAF time aside from ronaldo, rooney (which were not from our youth team), the class of 92, macheda (few matches?) and welbeck. Lingard, Pogba, Michael Keane, etc, they din get any chance in the premier league matches. Instead players like Giggs, Scholes and Rio were relied on.

that is why Pogba left. and DM is trying hard not to repeat that.
its like comparing RVP and Fellaini leh
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SAF has given a lot of chances to a lot of young players over the years.

Random thought is, maybe he didn't give Pogba a quicker run because :

1) He wanted to ease him in slowly, but Pogba was just not willing to wait anymore and once it was clear Pogba was heading out SAF ignored him.
2) SAF was thinking of to trying and seal a final EPL win under his management and retire the season before he did, and because of this was a bit more ready to depend on the more experienced guys to get the job done.

An unfortunate loss, especially considering how well Pogba has done since his move. Then again with youngsters it can be a bit hard to say how they will turn out, so it's a bit harsh to complain. Remember when Cleverley first broke into the team and was on form (until Kevin Davies injured him), he was looking so good and getting so much hype. Nowadays he gets a lot of brickbats tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Oct 8 2013, 12:01 PM)
thumbup.gif .. love the way he commented..
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yups...he is sending a message out to supporter n fans about what is happening inside the dressing room n training...he got the taste of it first hand...n i think he is the only lads that coping well to moyes system well as he had it before he burst into the scene...he know what moyes is about...what to expect from his style n system...soon all machine run smoothly we gonna see result...

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post Oct 8 2013, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 12:23 PM)
Well said..
The team is the almost same as last season.. the only major change is the backroom staffs..
so there will new tactics, new training method and so on... the players need to adapt...
but the training for defender seem not going well...esp Rio
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they say moyes training is a dinosaur...scary mang...even i see rvp is taken toll by it...all lads get niggles here n there...maybe he shud put rio n rvp n even giggs in their own routine last season that keep them fresh n delivered...but they still need to hav some dino drumstick to blend with the squad n system...ahaha
QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 12:20 PM)
huh... how can you compare him to makalele? Makalele is way above him...
the truth is Fellaini form has dropped and he didn't adapt well to the team... is not first class
you see Ozil he went to the team without pre season and do well and this is first class act...
i hope Fellaini can pick up his form and improve and do something like keano or ballack... in Man Utd midfield...
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QUOTE(natzakaria @ Oct 8 2013, 12:42 PM)
He is comparing on a bigger picture while one adapts well/immediately the other is on sick leave
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agreed...in my bigger picture i wud say...arsenal system n ozil style fits n match perfectly...thats why arsene sign him...n he adept well immediately...while for afro...even he is familiar to moyes system...he play diff role for him at everton...even he says he lost in pace to the squad quality...everton squad n man utd squad quality is a jump for him...n he needs to catch up a lot...not to say blending in together for the squad to moyes dinosaur system...n sick leave didnt help his cause...

juz my 2 cent

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post Oct 8 2013, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(onepack @ Oct 8 2013, 11:36 AM)
so comparing him wt ozil? haha so funny la you..
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QUOTE(natzakaria @ Oct 8 2013, 11:42 AM)
He is comparing on a bigger picture while one adapts well/immediately the other is on sick leave
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why people can understand and you cant?
your problem or mine?

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post Oct 8 2013, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Oct 8 2013, 11:54 AM)
the number of impatient fans already flaming DM & Fellaini on the internet is quite staggering @_@
Feel for Fellaini, getting injured so soon after his move.

Considering it took Evra and Vidic around half a season after their transfers to get into the swing of things and really start performing, and Carrick took years of stick before being lauded.. Afroman is gonna have a rough road ahead.
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Evra and Vidic abit different because at that time (2005/2006) both of them is not consider first choice yet... Previous season (2004/2005) Heinze is first choice LB and Wes Brown is first choice CB with Rio. Both of them is cover to the first choice and at that time fans did not expect major signing some more they are not famous yet so less expectation..
this Fellani form not good but DM still play him... must kena condemn la... and expextation is higher coz play in EPL for past 5 years...

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post Oct 8 2013, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Oct 8 2013, 01:01 PM)
SAF has given a lot of chances to a lot of young players over the years.

Random thought is, maybe he didn't give Pogba a quicker run because :

1) He wanted to ease him in slowly, but Pogba was just not willing to wait anymore and once it was clear Pogba was heading out SAF ignored him.
2) SAF was thinking of to trying and seal a final EPL win under his management and retire the season before he did, and because of this was a bit more ready to depend on the more experienced guys to get the job done.


An unfortunate loss, especially considering how well Pogba has done since his move. Then again with youngsters it can be a bit hard to say how they will turn out, so it's a bit harsh to complain. Remember when Cleverley first broke into the team and was on form (until Kevin Davies injured him), he was looking so good and getting so much hype. Nowadays he gets a lot of brickbats  tongue.gif
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exactly my tot on pogba case...timing wasnt right to unleash him n he is growing impatience for game time as the reserved doesnt giv him challenge anymore...i regret n move on...like we always do...
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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 01:43 PM)
Evra and Vidic abit different because at that time (2005/2006) both of them is not consider first choice yet... Previous season (2004/2005) Heinze is first choice LB and Wes Brown is first choice CB with Rio. Both of them is cover to the first choice and at that time fans did not expect major signing some more they are not famous yet so less expectation..
this Fellani form not good but DM still play him... must kena condemn la... and expextation is higher coz play in EPL for past 5 years...
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i tot fellaini got less games than moyes...moyes manage to get 6,7,8 matches to manage...while afro feat half of that games or less...if u join a futsal game out of ur cirlce...it takes more than 5 times or more to play together n bring a lil bit ur game into them...

atm...our best partnership in midfield is clev-carrick...carried from last season...then clev get some niggles...afro comes in...i tot he play his game...calm...direct short passes...quick switch side link play...he is not known for hard runner harrassing opponent like clev n fletch...he protect the ball n high challenge...win 2nd ball...bring it down to play...carrick oso struggling in hard running...not his game...he reads n intercept...clev do all the running...n moyes is building them up to be that ball winning hard runner...so everyone can do bit of defending n win ball back...i see it in 1st 3 games...then we get niggles n struggle to step up against citeh n wba...only wazza cope...

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post Oct 8 2013, 01:05 PM

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It was stupid for moyes to talk bout januzaj englang eligibilty. He should have encourage him to focus on club first
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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 12:33 PM)
why people can understand and you cant?
your problem or mine?
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so its ok for you to question others when he comparing fellaini to makelele but cant accept people question yours is it

i get wht ur trying to say.. but i totally can question u comparing ozil wt fellaini on tht extend.. ozil is a world class player. proven in germany then in spanish league.. at international level. he hv shown he can adapt fast. his style or play clearly fit arsenal style.. lots of passing etc. wenger are using him the same way RM are using him. while fellaini play different role here in united and he certainly not at ozil level. (yeah i'm talking bout adapting wise in case u are wondering)


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post Oct 8 2013, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(budakhijau @ Oct 8 2013, 12:57 PM)
i tot fellaini got less games than moyes...moyes manage to get 6,7,8 matches to manage...while afro feat half of that games or less...if u join a futsal game out of ur cirlce...it takes more than 5 times or more to play together n bring a lil bit ur game into them...

atm...our best partnership in midfield is clev-carrick...carried from last season...then clev get some niggles...afro comes in...i tot he play his game...calm...direct short passes...quick switch side link play...he is not known for hard runner harrassing opponent like clev n fletch...he protect the ball n high challenge...win 2nd ball...bring it down to play...carrick oso struggling in hard running...not his game...he reads n intercept...clev do all the running...n moyes is building them up to be that ball winning hard runner...so everyone can do bit of defending n win ball back...i see it in 1st 3 games...then we get niggles n struggle to step up against citeh n wba...only wazza cope...
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yeah he played less games.... depend on player and some will difficult to adapt to new team but some not..
i'm trying to say DM still have anderson and kagawa but why play fellani? when he is not in form...
i did not really watch Fellani plays but he is good runner too, good in air and threat in attack...
hopefully he can still improve and become better...
i would say man utd miss the midfield general..

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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 01:25 PM)
yeah he played less games.... depend on player and some will difficult to adapt to new team but some not..
i'm trying to say DM still have anderson and kagawa but why play fellani? when he is not in form...
i did not really watch Fellani plays but he is good runner too, good in air and threat in attack...
hopefully he can still improve and become better...
i would say man utd miss the midfield general..
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anderson, kagawa and fellaini are all different kind of players. IMO, carrick and fellaini are quite similar unless fellaini moves bit upfield to support the strikers.
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post Oct 8 2013, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(onepack @ Oct 8 2013, 01:10 PM)
so its ok for you to question others when he comparing fellaini to makelele but cant accept people question yours is it

i get wht ur trying to say.. but i totally can question u comparing ozil wt fellaini on tht extend.. ozil is a world class player. proven in germany then in spanish league.. at international level. he hv shown he can adapt fast. his style or play clearly fit arsenal style.. lots of passing etc. wenger are using him the same way RM are using him. while fellaini play different role here in united and he certainly not at ozil level. (yeah i'm talking bout adapting wise in case u are wondering)
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first he is comparing DM with DM.. obviously Makalele is way above...
second i'm not comparing players attributes/style/positon but to tell the differences of world class player..
yes u said urself arsenal use ozil the same way rm use.. most important arsenal play with technique and pace which fits ozil well
DM know Fellani well enuf but still play him in different role? DM still have other choices in the squad..but why buy him?
obvious this is a panic buy to please the fans or boards...
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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 01:35 PM)
first he is comparing DM with DM.. obviously Makalele is way above...
second i'm not comparing players attributes/style/positon but to tell the differences of world class player..
yes u said urself arsenal use ozil the same way rm use.. most important arsenal play with technique and pace which fits ozil well
DM know Fellani well enuf but still play him in different role? DM still have other choices in the squad..but why buy him?
obvious this is a panic buy to please the fans or boards...
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i think still quite early to conclude how DM gonna use Fellaini. and now that he is injured....gonna take longer time for us to see anything tongue.gif
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QUOTE(daydreaming @ Oct 8 2013, 01:37 PM)
i think still quite early to conclude how DM gonna use Fellaini. and now that he is injured....gonna take longer time for us to see anything tongue.gif
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yeah true... that is why i hope he can improve and develop become like keano or ballack..drive the midfield...
I would say DM is still testing in every way.. formation/players/tactics/training method...

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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 01:43 PM)
yeah true... that is why i hope he can improve and develop become like keano or ballack..drive the midfield...
I would say DM is still testing in every way.. formation/players/tactics/training method...
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actually.... i donno why but with his height n build, i sort of hoping he would become another yaya. hahaha
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QUOTE(daydreaming @ Oct 8 2013, 01:44 PM)
actually.... i donno why but with his height n build, i sort of hoping he would become another yaya. hahaha
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not bad if he can become yaya.. because he is one of the reasons man utd can't beat city..
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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 01:53 PM)
not bad if he can become yaya.. because he is one of the reasons man utd can't beat city..
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Can't beat City? Seriously? Last year we won at the Etihad?

And Fellaini is not a defensive midfielder ffs
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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Oct 8 2013, 02:05 PM)
Can't beat City? Seriously? Last year we won at the Etihad?

And Fellaini is not a defensive midfielder ffs
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bro not to judge one game only la...
overall the last few games la.. yaya is the key man lo...
even at Eithad is last minute goal... and yaya inspired the fight back..
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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Oct 8 2013, 02:14 PM)
bro not to judge one game only la...
overall the last few games la.. yaya is the key man lo...
even at Eithad is last minute goal... and yaya inspired the fight back..
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In fact, Toure didn't manage to play as much as he would liked against us this season, most of the attack came from the flanks, which when Rafael was absent. Toure controlled from his half and that was it. Fellaini played well against City alongside Carrick, blocking out the supply from the middle after he came on. But to compare Toure and Fellaini is pretty absurd knowing that they are two different players with different calibre.

I would say it is too early to judge Afro for now. I do believe United overpaid for him, 27mil is way too much. He has alot to prove coming from that hefty pricetag on his head. Michael Carrick came for 18mil and he is worth every penny, many thanks to our London feeder club, which one of the fan decided to hide in his cave after his team's mauling by the Hammers sweat.gif Fellaini needs to step up and shoot down his critics. His injury came at the wrong timing.

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