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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V52, jit jit jiiiit jiiiiiiiit jiiiiiiiit

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ruby1288
post Oct 10 2013, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(sufibravo @ Oct 10 2013, 12:09 PM)
Hey Guys,

I apologise if this has been asked before but I tried searching and can't find a definitive answer. Just wanted to know if there exists any OBD2 scanner for my Saga FL 1.6 on the market? If there is can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
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post Oct 10 2013, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Oct 10 2013, 01:43 PM)
I pity the rest of those SV owners that are not here. Surely they won't know and I seriously hope Proton management and their technical department will send out notice or memo to all SC about eh different gearbox because even careline don't know about it.....maybe we can go to SC and test the people there???
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IMHO, I really think & believe it is a stock clearing exercise to launch SV.
1st batch can hear ppl getting achi pokai GB, blm meter and so on.
then 2nd batch ? can hear ppl getting getrag, flx meter . . . . .
all in just a few months
I din say it is wrong like dares pointed out that ploton did not mention in brochure or anywhere wat gb or meter they'll give.
But on the moral side, this is ethically wrong lor.
Tapi Maraysia ni mana ada sebut pasal moral lagi pun ethics. doh.gif

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post Oct 11 2013, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 11 2013, 06:28 AM)
Koreksen, it's GaGa. Ulang skali mengikut cekgu, GaGa. Plotong GaGa. Plotong GaGa SB. Oteh?

Welcome to the big family. Some of them are gay, but you don't need to bother coz they all have their own partners smile.gif And, 1 last question for you, as a standard fellow GaGa owner:

vmad.gif Why you no bai VIOS?! vmad.gif
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Ini sudah jadi protocol / SOP ? rclxm9.gif
ruby1288
post Oct 11 2013, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 11 2013, 07:06 AM)
GaGa got several variant, basically all of them uses different transmission oil depending on model

GaGa BLM Auto = GaGa FL Auto = GaGa FL Auto 1.6
GaGa BLM Manual = GaGa FL Manual
GaGa BLM 1.6 Taxi Manual = Plotong Wajia 1.6 BJK (Bukan Jenis Kampro)

Now you know, basically FL = BLM. Tapi, what you don't know the different between BLM/FL and FLX. Below are comparison.

1) Engine
BLM/FL = IAFM. Uses vacuum suction to control fuel regulator. More mechanical, but less accuracy. Engine management computer 16bit.
FLX = IAFM+. Uses sensor to detect air intake to control fuel. More electronic, more accuracy, better fuel efficient, safer for environment with efficient burning. Engine management computer 32bit.

2) Automatic transmission
BLM/FL = Traditional multi speed transmission. 4AT in our case. Each gear has their range of travelling speed.
FLX = CVT. 1 gear, multispeed simulation, unfixed ratio. Buttery smooth acceleration. Better fuel efficiency. Slightly expansive transmission oil compare to AT/MT.

3) Suspension
FLX suspension has been tweaked to sportier and basically have better performance without compromise comfortness compare to old FL/BLM. FLX front damper has higher dampening capability, where as rear FLX spring has higher bounce rate. The rest remain unchanged.

4) Cabin
BLM/FL = Meter panel orange lumi
FLX = Meter panel white lumi

5) Brakes
None of the GaGa came with rear disc brake. There are no compatible replacement rear disc brake for GaGa. Any of those tuner claims they can modify rear disc brake is because they cut and drill the rear axle to accommodate a disc brake from other car. Only FLX Exec/SE variant came with ABS. The rest of the GaGa doesn't have.

Basically, you'll need to decide what do you really need. GaGa FL/BLM already finish stock. Do not compare FC with BiBa, because GaGa generally yield few hundrad kilo more then BiBa. Other than that, for safety reason GaGa was built thicker/tougher. Performance wise, all Campor engine are controlled by Drive By Wire. At first, you'll experience weird feeling, because you're pressing on a SENSOR, not a cable. But once you get used to it, you'll start to understand all these are gud stuff. Enclosed fuelly link, sendiri baca the horrible fuel consumption story.

http://www.fuelly.com/car/proton/saga

You'll lose 1/2 of fuel efficiency compare to BiBa. No doubt, it's a safer, bigger, slightly more powderful car. You enjoy the comfort, better sound system, so as road/engine noise, and all that came with a price tag of compromised fuel efficiency.

Hope this help.
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Actually the most important is having a boot.
I can't brain myself driving a bootless car.
Go shopping can put minister's bags shakehead.gif , dog bag and food & etc.
Outstation can put luggage.

Got a colleague driving 1st gen mybi. . has 1 few yrs old kid and 1 newborn. .
he say last time first newborn still OK, stroller still can put behind seat.
but now he also headache when go out time. .
where the hell to put the stroller doh.gif
unlike davidke20 can always put at boot thumbup.gif
and IINM, the stroller, u like it or not, it edi took >1/2 of boot space ?

then i suggest go and buy this one at ~RM3k laugh.gif

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post Oct 11 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Oct 11 2013, 11:10 AM)
recently i questioned myself what's the function of IAFM (Itu Adalah Funker's Mainan) actually.
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post Oct 11 2013, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Oct 11 2013, 11:53 AM)
Don't tempt me leh....after I buy my wife kill me...
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You also saw that before ?
I saw once only ppl using in MV.
Huge stroller but the husband told me, the charger is of no use unless you push the stroller very fast.
makes sense laugh.gif

QUOTE(TitanRev @ Oct 11 2013, 11:53 AM)
IAFM is a dual stage runner it has a flap inside the flap will change the air flow direction. Long runner for low engine speed and the short runner for high engine speed. Switching point is at 4400RPM.
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this is the reason why at 4k+ rpm, the rpm will sudd shoot down to 6k for CVT ?
Hence, the reason why ppl say got "2 stage" acceleration with CVT blink.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Oct 11 2013, 12:46 PM)
halorrrrr, i am back~ wub.gif
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ingat sudah jadi nie brows.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 11 2013, 01:11 PM)
i dun wan drift... i wan timing chun...
sure or not ? tonight i ok... but will be late la... maybe around 10pm reach sri petaling...
HOI ! tak halal... whistling.gif
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see no touch, see no eat.
so Halal la laugh.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 05:54 PM

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read properly. .

Automatic Transmission Fluid-XP3 (recommended)

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post Oct 12 2013, 05:18 PM

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Thanks david for reply.
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post Oct 12 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Oct 12 2013, 05:19 PM)
How did u do that~~~
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do what ? hmm.gif
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post Oct 12 2013, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 12 2013, 06:29 PM)
kucimiao issue oni.
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David oso said still minor leaking.
Tak banyak WOT pun. WOT also once a while and short term nia.
Haih, maybe change at 40k nia depend on budget since its only ~70 with labour.
More n more things to change at 40k swt

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post Oct 14 2013, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Oct 13 2013, 07:56 PM)
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semalam i got tiong by stock myvi se 1.3..first gen punya..driver really have big balls liao driving that fast..first time clocked 195kmh downhill...

incident happen at jabor area..road after pantai timur hiway, jabor exit..there some hilly area after the roundabout..twin lanes road..

that myvi suddenly overtake me at 130kmh..then start play around with him cucuk2 a bit.. manatau can start fire to play with him, he give me past but then he cucuk me back..can keep up till 160-170kmh..then i slow down give him way..then cucuk back..my car near to 30k service dy..so a bit slow..i havent pedal to metal yet..but still can keep up with him..i can tell that his myvi very fast laaa..after about 5 minutes play around with him we reached the exit to cherating, kuala terengganu..dunno why i ady brake to take the left exit..he straight from right lane cut to left most lane then take the exit..i can see the body roll and start to feel this guys really crazy one..that myvi like want to turtle dy..slow a bit let him tackle that corner at 80kmh..there some bump at the corner..his cars start to shaking abit..dunno how he manage to control the car..after the exit i cucuk him back..but decide not to play ..cos its b road..dangerous dy..he start to overtaking cars and left me his turtle dust..haha...

now need to save money to change engine gasket cover...same like ruby1288 cry.gif
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tak payah tukar also OK geh.
still minor.
no need follow ayam so paranoid whistling.gif
I feel better if I change it only, least I can WOT with peace of mind
I plan to change this early because the cost is only ~rm70.
my mileage only 32k+ now.
So do the maths, say can last 30k for each change << ini mesti selalu WOT brows.gif
70/30,000 = RM 0.0023 / km nia
still affordable to me.

BUT like I said, no need so early change also OK.
so up to ur buntut preference laugh.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 14 2013, 07:16 AM)
Oh... rupenyer nod.gif So, firered SV, CBT ke MT? Kalo MT need to beware sebab takut nanti serbis mia time SC tarok salah minyak GB. Dudok mana? Nanti datang la TT. Welcome again to the big family. Still, as a senior member, would like to ask you another question since Bios is out of the pictar:

vmad.gif Huai jiu no bai MyBi vmad.gif
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got next one ?
y no bai nissin almari ? icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 14 2013, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 14 2013, 02:14 PM)
normally they will understand kua what is valve seal....

if not, bagitau them I wanna tukar PW810724 Gasket Rocker Cover RM48.25
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valve seal = rocker cover gasket ?
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post Oct 14 2013, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 14 2013, 02:19 PM)
woops... made a mistake... blush.gif

iskazulka Sry, not valve seal... That's cam seal laugh.gif

valve seal only change if ada white smoke come out from exhaust coz engine makan minyak hitam... but there could be lots more reason for engine to om nom nom minyak hitam...
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tapi Ploton where got ask you change all this things geh. doh.gif
kena self service ask to change
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post Oct 15 2013, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(gonzalo20 @ Oct 15 2013, 09:38 PM)
oh not so good compare to myvi. hehe any minor prob with this car? the steering handling feel same like blm? feel quite stiff?
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FC is not and should not be your point of considering when comparing gaga to mybi.
gaga FC is already known not to be performing anywhere near what mybi or GOD car can do.
instead should consider what Gaga has that mybi doesnt and the most obvious 1 would be the boot.

every car got major and minor problem. thats the case for all mass manufactured cars.
even waksiwagen (VW) is the same. brows.gif
some ppl here get cars without any major issues except rattling here n there.
some got a lil major mia minor problem. .
so mainly depend on luck. .
but every car is the same. . prone to problems the moment it stepped out of factory. .
in most cases, it doesnt affect the drivablility of the car at all.
so whatever you get, just enjoy it.
less you get a hand assembled car.

I got a blm and a flx se at home and they both feel the same regarding the steering. icon_rolleyes.gif
maybe it's adjustable ? wait for more exp ppl to answer you.

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post Oct 15 2013, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Eugene91 @ Oct 15 2013, 09:54 PM)
I thought that "asthma" can be solved with latest ECU update? I'm still waiting for 1000 KM service to update..  unsure.gif

Hopefully the SC remembers about it!  cry.gif
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practised start car and wait till 3 bars temp. baru jalan,
never had ashtma on my SE at all.
no update on ECU or whatsoever. .
so, just warm up ur CVT before move ur car. .
note, its CVT not the enjoy that needs the longer warm up
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post Oct 15 2013, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 15 2013, 09:55 PM)
Stop kacau-ing his dad  vmad.gif  whistling.gif
Myvi's FC is nothing to shout about also, especially the 1.5SE. You can get decent FC with a FLX CVT if you know how to tame the CVT.
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I only know how to un-tame the CVT laugh.gif
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post Oct 15 2013, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 15 2013, 10:01 PM)
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rape I tak tau
mungkin gorrila tau coz he rape maxwell sung bin rape his cvt ph34r.gif
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post Oct 15 2013, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Oct 15 2013, 10:10 PM)
Apa lanjiao ni.. It's just wrong.

Via here.
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not engine that nees the warm up.
its the CVT.
warm up to 2 bar at least then ma no asthma or choke or choke till stall lu

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