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Dah poket dah kaya semasa submarine purchase, ni macam case sama lagi. Wat worse it the same company

i dont bother about the main gun.. but it weapon suite macam no punch compared to Formidable-class frigate

it bound to be better and more modern than SG but in end just disappointment

pistol air? i dunno the pistol air ada air dalam tak atau cuma pistol angin

macam kereta mahal.. tapi tayar engine kancil.

buat apa beli, lagi baik beli kancil
there better ships and better equips than this nonsense armament

SG will be laughing at us now.. their formidable so much cheaper and better weapon.

i scare lekiu batch two will be like this.. first class ship 3rd class armament

ds30m dont even have enough rate of fire to counter incoming missile. It like hitting a tenis ball with ping pong bat
There just not enough fire power

more like buff up look but lowered down weapon

when lekiu come in, it was the most advance ship of its time for SEA. In fact, if lekiu were to be upgraded, i think it will be cheaper and much more capable than this soon to be songlap white elephant sgpv

This post has been edited by thpace: Oct 28 2013, 12:40 AM

i think all the top brass should know this type of weapon suite for rm1.5billon allocation is nonsense, or they think otherwise?

not to mention 6 biji of this nonsense. better rename SGPV = SonGlap Patrol Vessel. Even have name class of its own Songlap Class

weight everything is of frigate.. but armament of a fast patrol boat

look good outside, inside nonsense

It not about cost effective but more about adapting to changing situation.

ESSM is a much more advance system and better range. It better to engage target at greater range than at close range. Aster would also been better
Both essm and aster have shown to intercept supersonic missile, MIRA? i dont think so

and the short 10km range for mica is too close for comfort

exocet missile i have no problem with it. It battle proven and works well enough although there newer better anti ship missile like the brahmos

Not sure, it not like malaysia can construct a full size destroyer or cruiser in any time soon. Even if they have the Tot and IP, we dont have the steel industry to built such vessel.

aster 15 would have been the better option is essm is too expensive. But MICA is way too what you say" TOO CHEAP' for RM1.5 billion vessels

Like Ferrari but you use tayar tampal

aster 15 and 30 combo would be nice

then again RM1.5 billion and we cant even afford a proper CIWS?

at least install Oerlikon Millennium 35 mm Naval Revolver Gun System for upgrade option. It stealth and easy to install according to the tech sheet

what is our planned?

aster 15 and aster 30 is also a fire and forget missile with better range than mica. Not to mistaken, same cost as mica system but better capabilities.

though now it mica, should they opt for a better ciws since it freaking rm1.5billion and all we got ciws is a toy gun technically speaking

even indon and thai have but not us?

better get AK47.. shoot down Apache sumore. plus cheaper than rpg7

maybe, malaysia can line up 10 ak47 together and become a CIWS

we shall name our new sgpv = SonGlap Class Patrol Vessel (SGPV)

if we can get mini dokdo class, it would be nice. I like wide open upper deck, make it look like we have aircraft carrier

news say we need at least 3 of those LPD.. then again, no budget for it. wait till next year see if the program reboot again.

Most likely 8000 or at most 13000

Navy set requirement for 3 of such ships, and if given how limited the budget is chances the smaller one will be chosen. Though, i prefer open top deck.

Then again, no news on it watsoever. It been silent for almost 3 years, could be revived back when malaysia start their marine force as they need an amphibious capable ship to move around


second more of auxiliary ship. One of the requirements for ldp is it much be able to land two or more heli on top.

Most likely I would say rmn will not consider markassar class. 1st) it not up to military spec and most rmn navy commander does not feel safe in using civilian spec ships. Bunga mas 5 is an exception because it too high cost to run a military ship for non so crucial mission like pirate patrol.

2nd) malaysia kiasu dont like purchase stuffs others already have. New and not used by others in the region is malaysia interest

3rd) malaysia like foreign equipments and training included. Any deal must include Tot and etc etc. I dont think ST will agree to TOT

4rd) personally I dont like stuff from indon. Does not give me the sense of quality. hahaha

because of the short range, it used as point defence.

in france, their point defence is using ciws while their longer range area defence is provided by aster 30 missile or shorte range aster 15. Diff configuration, so there no point for them to install mica since there already an existing system which they can use

our case however, no ciws, that dsm30 can shoot sulu boat but I highly doubt it can send enough rounds like in ciws to destroy incoming missile. So the only point defence is to use mica. This is what I think la

other than that, , ESSM and a ciws would have been the better option than mica or dsm30.

this is like better than aegis destroyer already

biasa lah...

buat wayang depan, belakang asah pisau tajam tajam

Then again, malaysia ni suka keep low profile. Tak macam pinoy dan indon. Buat bising sana sini

source of news for the mrca delay?

SGPV is mean for patrolling key economic zone. So instead of point defence for defending itself, should not it have area defence capabilities instead of point defence?

mica is marketed as point defence system and not area defence. RMN shoulf consider having area defence capacity instead of just self defence

impossible unless they have enough $$$$
Having two system is not cheap

maybe they can fit aster and mica if the VL system is compatible but then again, the radar system purchased or confirm is unable to support aster 15