I compared it just now by playing only two songs. 808PV's speaker is slightly better to my ears, especially when u turned it upside down so that the speaker is facing up.

DNG is an open RAW standard by Adobe. Photoshop and Lightroom can process it right away.

Errr....Sony rx100 is a camera bro. Not a phone. lol...apple vs orange. Do you want to purchase a phone or camera?

Definitely RX100 because of optical zoom and much larger sensor. 808PV's sensor is nearly as large but without any optical zoom and much noisier sensor at high ISO. I think 808PV could only win in full resolution ISO50-100 landscape shot. Having said that, I do not think L1020's IQ is as good as RX100 at least until the Nokia Black update. In the end, it still depends if you want a phone or a camera. Are you going to resize into smaller resolution for social networking sitest? Do you intend to bring the camera all the time with you?

To me 808PV's main issue is the focus. Others can be fixed.
BTW, now your 1020 is on GDR3 with Nokia Cam?

Ah finally found someone on GDR3. I just purchased my 1020 a week ago and only have limited experience on Nokia ProCam image quality and characteristic before I upgraded to Nokia Cam. I noticed the Nokia Cam will show a sharp picture during the 1 second preview after shooting. However, after the in-camera post processing is completed, the final picture is not as sharp. Is this happening to ProCam too?

If the Lumia Black's RAW pics are post-processed on a computer, then there could be a chance.

This post has been edited by davidletterboyz: Nov 3 2013, 12:29 AM

Your friend is a hardcore photographer.

If you were to only collect those photos, then the next question will be, is 5MP sufficient? Are you going to print it out or just digitally collect them?

Yes I have a 1020 and an 808PV. I also have a Fujifilm X100 which I'm letting go. Before this, I had this combination: 808PV as my main phone with camera so that I bring it daily everywhere I go + X100 as travelling. However, using 808PV as a main phone could be a PITA (due to the laggy browser). The camera though is superb.

Then came the 1020 which I just acquired last weekend. As a camera-centric main phone, it's the best you can get today. It has some quirk though (yellow casting, inaccurate color, over-sharpened which then results in noise and artifact), which the Nokia imaging department head has promised to fix them by bringing in 808PV algorithm in Nokia Black update. But even with these issues at current state, it's still the best camera phone one can get today ( that's because they had discontinued 808PV. ) because you can reduce those noise by postprocessing them in your computer if you want.

Honestly, at the current firmware with Nokia Cam, the image quality in daylight is only second to 808PV especially in full resolution mode. Those who had both will definitely notice it. I haven't got time to compare both side by side on my desktop monitor, but viewing pictures from both phones, the 808PV produces images which are significantly cleaner and the color reproduction is much better. With hindsight, 1020 has the upper hand in lowlight, macro focusing due to the manual settings, and easier to hold (for me). If one were to replace his 808PV as a secondary phone then one might be disappointed; which I believe the exact reason why some people with 808PV did not upgrade to the 1020 because they are not ready to compromise higher image quality for a faster browser. But if one were to replace it as the main phone, then it's a worthy and sensible upgrade from 808PV as an overall package.

So to answer your question, currently I'm not satisfied yet because of the high standard set by 808PV. However, since you are going to buy it as your main phone, then it's definitely more than good enough for every day use. If you are on a tight budget, I recommend you to buy a 1020 now and train yourself how to capture good pic (manual settings). Then as you save more money, you can get a m4/3 or APSC compact camera in the future.

Agreed. Me still having the 808PV though. But fret not, hopefully Nokia Black update is going to improve the image quality.

So far which SP that can 100% fit Lumia 1020? lol

Didn't apply any SP?

I believe Gorilla treatment is not fully optmised for the slightly curved glass of Lumia's. I used to have a Lumia 800 and I used it without any SP; but I was extremely careful. After 9 months, it finally caught a scratch.

BTW, u should check ur pocket lol. Probably one of ur pockets has a sharp object inside.

Does the SP fit 100%? I'm still looking for one that fits.

BTW, for those who are wondering, the Nilkin SP doesn't have an exact fit.

How about changing it to aeroplane mode?

There is a new update for Nokia Camera today! Version 4.3.0.9.

I did not have much experience with Nokia Pro Cam. I wonder if I reset the phone, can it revert to Pro Cam? And are you so sure Pro Cam is sharper?

Can u upload both pics here? lol Because up until now, I haven't seen any A/B comparison in pixels level about this.

As long as it can match 808PV in color and remove the JPEG artifacts (we are talking out-of-camera pics here), I'm already happy. I think matching 808PV in daylight is a bit hard unless you compare it with pics which had been postprocessed from 1020's RAW files. Check these samples out: http://conversations.nokia.com/2013/10/29/...-raw-dng-lumia/

Click the JPEG links for full resolution.

Obviously those pics had been resized and not even near to 5MP. The difference between 5MP and 38MP of course is very huge.

Depends what's your "everyday" expectation.
Anyway, why settle for auto when you can have manual control? Remember, the camera can't read your heart.

Means front camera? lol