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post Nov 29 2013, 02:40 PM

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post Dec 2 2013, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 2 2013, 09:56 AM)
my REITS on negative now are:
IGB REITS; PAVILION REITS; amfirst; UOA reit; SUNREIT ....
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Buy slowly as they come down.. dont lump sum.. ESPECIALLY for Dividend stocks.. wink.gif
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post Dec 2 2013, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 2 2013, 10:44 AM)
That's only good if they keep coming down... hmm.gif

but at current interest rate environment, I think u r righ nod.gif
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If you looking at dividend stocks.. you only worry about DY%.. IF the stock goes up and end up below your DY% then no point for you to add more. IF the price goes down and your DY% is attractive then can always buy more.

You have to determine what is the suitable DY% you are looking for before you make your purchase. And for DY stocks you dont actually care of the price, if it goes up it is a bonus...if it goes down, and you are still getting your DY why worry?

Mine is ~6% (2x FD). Anything less, no go...

AND you need not buy everything locally.. i got some Croesus retail trust recently at 9% DY as well...

This post has been edited by gark: Dec 2 2013, 01:01 PM
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post Dec 2 2013, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 2 2013, 11:29 AM)
Actually, i hv all reits except KLCC.... collected slowly since years ago...DIVERSIFICATION.
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Having an all REIT portfolio is NOT diversification, it is actually having all your eggs in ONE basket...

Similar to people having all property stocks an all plantation stocks.. have zero diversification.

A diversified portfolio means they will have low or negative correlation, e.g. the movement of stocks is opposite of each other...

A all REIT portfolio moves in a single direction only... rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 2 2013, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 2 2013, 01:20 PM)
It's getting hard to find anything decent with DY above 4% nowadays sad.gif

Yeah I'm monitoring that Wah Kor stock now...but spread between buy/sell is... doh.gif

I actually put in 10 lots buys this morning...then cancel.

Lucky I cancelled...else I get only 2 lots matched doh.gif
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It is indeed getting difficult to find DY stocks.. hence a telling that the market is too bullish...

So you decided to go for wah kor already.. i thought you say you afraid the ciggy packaging ban? tongue.gif
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post Dec 2 2013, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 2 2013, 01:24 PM)
They also got other clientele...though rokok is biggest clientele. They got Bolehland, Kangarooland and Vietmoiland rokok contract brows.gif

I think it might take some time for such legislation to go thru... hmm.gif

And it's actually bigger than Dai Boh Ji...margins and growth also similar if not better. Can buy lar unsure.gif
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kangaroo land rokok packaging can survive ah? tongue.gif

They do have a small consumer food packaging division like daa-boh-Ji but it is still small...

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post Dec 2 2013, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 2 2013, 01:28 PM)
If Kangaroo rokok market kaboom, still got Bolehland, Vietmoiland, Kiasuland to support though it will take a hit, Kangarooland is biggest single market hmm.gif
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But until that... it is still good stable business with good cash flow... rclxms.gif

Just have to monitor kangaroo land ciggy legislation.. rolleyes.gif

And the recent drop in RM should be beneficial to margins.. brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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post Dec 2 2013, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 2 2013, 01:30 PM)
Unker is advocating to take the Seller's price NOW hmm.gif

Plus, they got the BAT contract for 7 years at 2008...means just 2 more years to go sweat.gif

I dun think BAT will wanna always change supplier kua icon_question.gif
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DY stocks need to be patient...

They have supplied BAT for >20 years already.. will BAT change now? whistling.gif
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post Dec 2 2013, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 2 2013, 01:34 PM)
But I read they only got the contract at 2008? Means even prior to that (2008), they already on contract? blink.gif
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Ya if not mistaken.. they have been on contract with Rothmans Pall Mall Malaysia before change name to BAT.

But then again business will always have risk... wink.gif
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post Dec 2 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(topearn @ Dec 2 2013, 02:30 PM)
There are different levels of diversification. Having many REITs counters is also diversification vs putting all funds in just 1 REIT counter.

Similarly having all your funds in a diverdified portfolio of just stocks can also be said putting all your eggs in 1 basket unless U also put funds on real estate, precious metals (like gold, silver), FDs, etc. f market crash and all your funds in a diversified portfolio..........there goes your retirement and year-end holidays...and then everyday can afford to eat maggie mee for breakfast, lunch and dinner only.
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Read up on negative correlation and you know all you said has already been answered... rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 2 2013, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(Agent 592 @ Dec 2 2013, 08:28 PM)
So gark, what is negatively correlated to REITs?
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FD.. is one good example.. if interest rate goes up REIT falls, but FD going up.. smile.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 3 2013, 08:36 AM)
Actually, REITS is only part of my portfolio. Collected from years ago.. and did not really look at the dividend yields until lately. Also hv cigg, carlsberg, gab, banks, consumers, prop even PANANMY FROM a decade ago.. and lots of LOST and LOSING  money shares egg SAAG, ...
I even got real estate collecting rental, gold pass book..unit trust, even INSURANCE SAVING PLANS... dabble into FOREX once.. but too time consuming, hence I do keep some foreign FD, even local FD's.

So, that is my idea of diversification. Also IPOs... but I do not keep these, its only for short term. Except MAXIS, still having. but sold some with intention to buy DIGI..to diversify the TELCO PORTFOLIO.

this year DEC quite free, maybe will sit down and evaluate again my SHARES PORFOLIO... sometimes get unexpected gain . EG: P.I.E been keeping for years for the good dividend, but suddenly few months from RM 4.00 it goes up to RM 6.. nearly touch RM 7.00....

so, continue keeping or TAKE PROFIT? The most difficult decision staring into SHARE MARKET is, do we sell when the price go up or do we keep buying when the price goes down.

I tried setting a disipline cut loss at 20% ... but then, not easy to bypass our OWN EMOTIONAL MIND. with the hope that it will rebound.
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Well first off insurance savings plan is the biggest scam out there. Forex is speculating, not investing. laugh.gif

If those shares which you have bought earlier is giving you decent dividend suggest to keep them and continue collecting, unless of course the dividend is getting lesser or fundamentals no longer attractive.

To take profit or not depends if you have discover other more appealing shares which can boost your returns then you switch or the share is showing deteriorating fundamentals.

Cut loss is one of the hardest trick to master, but it will protect your capital. It takes lot of experience to determine if you should cut loss, especially if the FA is poor.
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post Dec 3 2013, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Dec 3 2013, 08:48 AM)
look like Total Net worth elea88 > gark  shocking.gif
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I small small player only... whistling.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(S_SienZ @ Dec 3 2013, 12:25 PM)
Bonds also negatively correlated to REITs right?

Principle same as FD? Interest rate up, safer alternative for money income, demand for REITs go down?
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No, bond is highly correlated to REIT..

Interest rate goes up BOTH bond and REIT will go down. wink.gif

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post Dec 3 2013, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(S_SienZ @ Dec 3 2013, 12:30 PM)
Only bonds already issued though no?

Newly issued bonds with the new interest rate would be negatively correlated, yes?
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Nope.. all bonds will go down if interest rate rises... wink.gif

There is no difference between old and new bonds.. just how much it will go down only.. if interest rate goes up.

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post Dec 3 2013, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(S_SienZ @ Dec 3 2013, 12:44 PM)
Oooo.... aight thanks for sharing. Got a lot of thinking to do.

Still can't figure out what kind of portfolio allocation I should be going for haha.
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A balanced one, which meet your risk tolerance. wink.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Dec 3 2013, 12:54 PM)
What category is Reit / Buisness Trust ? Equity or bond or property?
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I would rate REIT between equity and bond.. it is higher risk than bond but relatively less volatile than equity.
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:33 PM

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Added more CMMT @ 1.39 tongue.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Dec 3 2013, 04:48 PM)
SIFU GARK,
MSG wont go up anymore or Qe Tapering no more media manipulation?

recently see you updating buying alot reits ?
share share....

Last week i attend Maybank IB - workshop of reits - the speaker wong wei sum highlight 2014 reits expect Volatile becoz of interest go up.
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The easy reply is that I feel the stock market is over priced, so slowly selling off counters, and profits parked in REIT.. as long as the DY is >6% its good enough for me, share price is secondary. wink.gif

CMMT at 1.39, DY 6.3%-6.5%

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post Dec 3 2013, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 3 2013, 04:59 PM)
oi what happened to AXISREIT??? 3.20...dropped 4%???
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Bursa system buggy.. the buy sell queue all missing... good opportunities for picking up those selling at wrong price. tongue.gif

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