Many thanks for that! Helps out quite a bit then if I actually need to do work on the machine. 5 hours+ is plenty if I don't do a lot of browsing then. That seems quite acceptable for someone used to running for a wall plug after only an hour

Will take note on the screen advice...though based on what Amal has posted...don't seem too bad tbh. Helps when I need the extra real estate on the screen (seeing as to how tiny it actually is).

That's...a lot of difference. Half the battery lifespan. Yikes. I didn't know it would be such a big difference between the 4700 and 4702MQ Much to learn I still have, hmm?

IIANM, someone posted somewhere that using the 4700, you could emulate the 4702MQ by fiddling with the power settings and what not. Is this doable on your RE-13 by any chance?

That's partially why I want a higher resolution. Especially if I'm travelling and am gonna output via a TV or a bigger monitor. As someone pointed out earlier, the slightly better GPU of the RE-13 would be better at handling FullHD as opposed to the the GE40.

Did I get that right?

I'm not entirely convinced it's just the 4702MQ that's giving us GE40 users that extra 50% battery life. Keep in mind we're also on a not-quite-so-bright TN screen (which while looks like shiat, should use less power) and we don't have keyboard back lighting (which uses little power but uses power anyway).

So, even with everything optimised, I expect the RE13 to be able to barely reach 4 hours tops.

Also, it seems if you have enough time, you might be able to tweak the 760 up: seems MSI Afterburner can tweak the GPU clock and memory speeds. Not sure if it'll work though.

Buuuuuuuut, like I said, if you need more power, no amount of tweaking can override a faster GPU, unfortunately. And the GE40 will only get hotter after pushing limits (and it's already plenty hot as it is).

Like I said before though, if you can accommodate a 17 incher, the MSI GS70 has the power (4700HQ + 765) AND the mobility (3-4 hours WHILE GAMING it seems) while remaining thinner and only a TAD heavier than even my GE40.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Aug 15 2013, 07:31 PM

Guess I'll never use that kind of monitor until I own a desktop then.

I don't think it will make that much of a difference.
Yes, we can play around with our CPU with the Intel XTU app.
It was me who did the simulation test, to differentiate the temperature.
Haven't test in terms of power usage.

Our GTX765M can also be overclocked if you need the extra power in the future.
Proly increase around 20% more performance.

Yup, definitely not coz of the 4702MQ.
It's how the system handle it I guess.
Clevo did a bad job on that.

I doubt that the GS70 can do gaming for 3-4 hours using its dedicated GPU.
But still, MSI did a good job on the battery.

Update : After putting on power saver mode, turning off unnecessary apps, reduce the screen brightness to a viewable level, based on the estimation, it can last around 3.5-4 hours of web surfing.

Seems like amal can confirm the 4 hour mark

I was initially looking at that particular model - was well impressed by how thin it was considering it's a 17 incher. In it's class, it's relatively light, but on it's own, 2.7kg is really quite hefty methinks. Still, everything about it seems nice though (bar the multicoloured keyboard light ). On a side note, I don't consider 700g to just be a tad heavier Will keep it in mind though. Maybe if I need something more powerful...though I don't see it happening soon, especially considering my gaming needs - which aren't much.

Ah, so it was you! Lol. Sorry just remember reading it and nothing else

I guess I'll wait for someone who ordered the RE13 with the 4702MQ to give an update then. I'm in no particular rush to buy it...so time is on my side

So. it seems that you can reach the 4 hour mark by tweaking around. What was the brightness setting for you to consider as a viewable level?

It's still a 13 incher. While it may have FullHD vs 900p, it's not like you are sitting any closer to be able to use smaller icons/fonts and to make use of the more resolution real estate, you have to remember that. So it's mainly only for a sharper experience, not so much real esate.

Also, the resolution difference bump to 1080p from 900p is 44%. Just ask yourself the question, is the GTX765m 44% better than the GTX760m? That will answer your question. This is only for gaming. Windows and all, browsing etc it'll have no problems at all.

Can you get a program or something to find out what is your computer's power draw from its batteries?

Currently my GE40 draws 8-9w when idle on power safer. On regular usage like opening folders, words/office etc typing and all, it draws between 9-11. When I start web browsing it draws anywhere between 9-12/13.

Battery capacity is about 60Wh+, so you can easily see how the 5+ hours battery of the GE40 came from.

Also, did you have any extra peripherals connected to your laptop? External mouse, wireless dongle etc?

My test is from using the laptop and only the laptop, no extra devices connected.

Yup, wait if you can wait. Buy when you really need it.

Hopefully the next batch of RE13 doesn't change the LCD to other than Chi Mei IPS.

Brightness were at 30-40%.
Though at 0% doesn't mean that you can't see anything at all.

Again, that is all just estimation.
Haven't done a proper test yet.

I'm only looking at BatteryBar. Not sure if it is accurate.

When browsing, it hover around 14W-18W.
Battery capacity is 62,160mW.
Tested with no peripherals connected, and no keyboard light.

Really jelly looking at your power draw.

My Vaio S is around 6W on idle, 8W-9W web surfing. Good in terms of battery, but two times weaker.

A comparison of the GE40 and RE13 LCD.

GE40 - AUO B140RTN03.0

Pros
Response Time : 8 (Typ.)(Tr/Td)(ms)
Total Power Consumption : 4.2W (MAX)

Cons
Dot Resolution : 1600x900
Brightness : 250 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio : 400:1
Display Color : 262K (6-bit)
Color Gamut : 45%
Viewing Angle : 45/45/15/45 (Left/Right/Up/Down)

Link : http://www.panelook.com/B140RTN03.0_AUO_14...eter_19559.html


RE13 - Chi Mei N133HSE-EA1

Pros
Dot Resolution : 1920x1080
Brightness : 350 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio : 700:1
Display Color :16.7M (8-bit)
Color Gamut : 72%
Viewing Angle : 89/89/89/89 (Left/Right/Up/Down)

Cons
Response Time : 14/11 (Typ.)(Tr/Td)(ms) - Not sure which one (14 or 11?)
Total Power Consumption : 6.39W (MAX)

Link : http://www.panelook.com/N133HSE-EA1_Innolu...eter_17098.html


That's about 2.19W difference. Which is quite noticeable.
Still, there might be other factor as well, on the bad power draw of the clevo.

So, you have to set your priority right.
Superb Screen Quality or Superb Battery Life?

That 2.19W is a big difference when you think about it.. it adds a lot.. I wonder if there's a software that figures out the power draw of the processor as well in real time. Maybe it's another 1-2W difference from there, which makes it on par. Currently my battery meter is showing my battery to have 61.527 Wh of max charge capacity, so it's not a difference in battery size.

Yeah.. big difference in the power draw.. need to find someone with the 4702 on the cleavo to do a comparison/monitoring..

I'm looking at HWInfo64 a built in charge meter (which conveniently doubles as a "dis"charge meter when off AC adapter) and I can concur with AE's power consumption figures. Even on balanced mode I'm getting around 12-15W, I just set up a low power profile for light use so hopefully I might see lower numbers.

But, I didn't know the AUO panel was" just" 6bits. No wonder I'm seeing black clipping everywhere.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Aug 17 2013, 12:03 AM

Review comparison from Notebookcheck.

GE40


RE13


GE40


RE13



Summary

GE40 - Deviltech
RE13 - One K33

Battery percentage seems higher on the RE13 proly due to their benchmark is focusing more on Full Load max battery.

Source :
GE40
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-DevilT...ok.97465.0.html

RE13
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-One-K33-...ok.99041.0.html

This post has been edited by Amal: Aug 19 2013, 08:20 PM

Unfortunately that particular review of the GE40/MSI 1420 is sorta misleading as it's a pre-production sample with a 1366x768 screen and only God knows what other bugs (especially in regards to the throttling and thermal pasting), so it's not entirely representative (especially considering that with a 768p screen, the gaming scores will actually be higher).

But, the throttling aside, the heat and power consumption figures (especially the part where the GE40 sucks MORE power at full load then the 90w adapter can actually handle) are for the most part correct - especially in regards to heat with stock thermal pasting (even more so if you get a very messily pasted one).

Glad to see the W230ST finally being reviewed though. It took them a while for sure, and I kinda like the detailed reviews NBC does. Although it's worth noting that the W230ST on review is ALREADY fitted with the 4702MQ and it STILL only has a 4+ hour battery life, high temps (still lower than the GE40, however) and throttling issues. Hmmmmmm, looks like it's DAT IPS SCREEN draining the power after all - not that anything can be done, it's gorgeous after all.

The MOST interesting part however, is the power consumption figures. It seems that the W230ST sucks more power under load than the GE40: 131w vs 113w - not particularly surprising considering it has DAT IPS SCREEN and the 765. However, this ALSO means that, sans battery, the W230ST/RE13 can theoretically overload its 120w AC adapter, just like how I totalled my Coolermaster NA90 universal adapter by running the GE40 on load with the battery out.

The chances are considerably lower, however, considering there's only an 11w "overdraw" on the W230ST's 120w adapter vs the GE40's 23w "overdraw" on its 90w adapter. 11w should be well within the safe operating margin of the W230ST's adapter, but you never know.

Now we need a PROPER review of the GS70 and see how it stacks up. While it's CRAZY THIN, it has that awesome looking twin fan setup so heat might be manageable. I also wonder how the FHD TN screen and battery life stacks up against the competition.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Aug 20 2013, 03:48 PM

Seems that MSI GE40 has a new price of RM3499 (Only thing I noticed is that it comes with 4GB DDR3 instead of 8GB)

IMO, for me, Laptop is my portable pc, thus the spec and screen must be high as i almost all the time run it on AC power.

for longer battery life mobile computing, perhaps ultra book or netbook is the best.

My lappy is one inch thick, 2kg, lasts 6 hours on battery and plays BF3 on ultra - which is about as close as I could get to a gaming ultrabook at this point in time. Which is okay for me, but sometimes I regret not getting a thicker, more powerful beast because I actually already have a netbook for mobile work (which has a dying 1 hour battery, so I'm actually more tethered to a plug with the tiny netbook lol).

But I do understand the Desktop Replacement mentality. Most power in something that you can close up and carry around (even if it's the size of a fully packed suitcase).

Unfortunately some people need the battery life for work, the portability to move around easily, the power to game AND don't have the disposable income to get TWO specialized laptops. Hence the need for weird in-betweeners like the GE40, the GS70 and the RE13 - each with it's own set of compromises.

If you're reading that up on Garage Sales, we're still not sure if it's the new GE40 SKUs or if somebody typo-ed. Because there's a lot of other weird additions to the specs like Intel WIFI, Killer Ethernet and Steel Series Keyboard (which is plain wuuut?).

But it's nice to see a more affordable version of the GE40 with 4GB of RAM on offer, considering that most games are x86 by default and can't use more than 4GBs anyway even with the LLA bit enabled. What's BAD is that the SSD + HDD version is NOT being offered, even on the flagship variant.

Also nice to know I got mine with 16GB RAM at the price they're asking for the 8GB one now... No free SteelSeries stuff however, so that's a loss.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Aug 21 2013, 03:17 AM

yes, i could understand that, but in my experience, my entry level gaming laptop lenovo y580, higher performance mean more bulkier the laptop is, i had trouble to bring my laptop around and doing some work, not because of it weight, but its size, 15.6 inch sure take up lot of my bag space plus the power adapter is 2/3 of xbox360 psu size. luckly i have an android tablet with me, enough for browsing, lecture note, and some other thing.

but not all ppl will agree with me, i sacrifice some buget for the laptop to get a portable mobile computing device, and it suit my need. some who need the raw power of processing or simply a enthusiast gamer who travel alot, the budget will be all in the high performance laptop i must say.

I got a look at the latest MSI brovhure from storm88. The networking hardware is still listed as the Azurewave AW-whatever and the keyboard isn't listed as a Steel Series. The current promotion also throws in Steel Series headphones and a mouse.

I wish they didn't change the RAM setup. It now means that anyone wanting to upgrade to 16 GB will have to get two DDR3L sticks instead of one.

This post has been edited by ThisIsBoletaria: Aug 21 2013, 07:55 AM

Well, actually you only need to get 2 sticks of DDR3, not DDR3L. Only the GS70 and GT70 comes with DDR3L as standard IINM, but the GE40 CAN run DDR3L if needed.

But yeah, the current 8GB in 2x4GB config seems to stem from the fact that some sites have bashed the old SKU for not running dual channel on stock. It's a considerable problem for those wanting to upgrade though.

The Steelseries headphone and mouse are good value freebies though, even if personally I think a bluetooth/wireless mouse is a much better fit for a "gaming ultrabook".

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Aug 21 2013, 10:35 AM

I wonder what is the difference with battery life between the GE40 and RE13 under full-load if both are running without Turbo Boost on, because I never run with Turbo Boost on my GE40 if it's on battery.

I thought of compiling all the relevant posts and putting it on the first post. Will probably take some time though.

Has this already been done, and if not, will it be beneficial? Otherwise I won't bother

Really good info here btw. You guys are superb!