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post Jul 26 2013, 11:41 AM, updated 12y ago

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MONKS
“The gods guide me. You cannot win.”

Monks are sacred warriors who channel divine power through sheer force of will. Healing waves, mantras of protection and attacks empowered with holy might are all within their purview.

Skilled monks deliver rapid-fire attacks unarmed or with a variety of well-balanced weapons. In combat, they emphasize high maneuverability over staying power, darting in and out of melees and avoiding protracted slugfests.

Monks’ attacks are primarily melee-focused. They can eliminate single foes with extreme damage, or deliver short-range area-of-effect assaults with waves of elemental power that emanate from palm strikes or crescent kicks.

BACKGROUND
“The gods guide me. You cannot win.”

Monks of the Sahptev faith train their bodies and minds so that they may become the foremost holy warriors of the land of Ivgorod. Within the cloisters of the Patriarchs, the monks endure harsh trials both physical and spiritual, proving their devotion and attaining unmatched focus.

Daily ritualistic cleansings help monks purify their spirits and overcome the corruption that gnaws at the hearts of all men. In the pursuit of martial perfection, they also hone their legendary balance and clarity, skills that allow them to master both unarmed combat and a diverse array of weapons.

After a lifetime of preparation, anointed monks are permitted to leave their monasteries' halls to serve the decrees of the Patriarchs. The emblem on their foreheads marks them as survivors, achievers, and pillars of their society.

Monks embody the will of Ivgorod’s one thousand and one gods in every step and every strike.
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Official resources/guides from battle.net:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/

Monk short story, additional Lore from battle.net:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/lore/short-story/monk/

General profile/calculator:
http://d3up.com/
http://www.diabloprogress.com/

Monk skill calculator:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk

additional Calculators/resources compiled by forumer polarzbearz over this thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2413898

Damage calculator:

http://www.diablodamagecalculator.com/
http://www.bios-gaming.de/d3dps/

Effective HP calculator (for tanks):

http://rubensayshi.github.com/d3-ehp-calculator/

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POPULAR MONK BUILD:

Cookie Cutter
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk...#33;!a..c.a
Requirement: 25%CC
Characteristics: Teleport hit with FoT:Thunderclap, buff by MoC:Overawe, and with decent CC%, Cyclones will generate effectively and deals supporting damages
Iconic LYN Member: Holy cowithgun
Sample:


Tempest Rush
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#.c!d!.a
Requirement: spirit regen of 13 buffed, low APS, 2H
Characteristics:TR uses spirit while channeling, and high attack speed making the usage even worst, hence 2H are preferred.
Optional: 3-piece inna for 0.33 spirit regen, 4-piece inna set for SW reduction bonus
Iconic LYN Member: waklu the master of TR says :
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I believe u already cover most of it 
Spirit regen buffed >12.00, low APS, High DPS 2Hand weapon(Skorn recommended),
4 piece of Inna Set for SW bonus 
Skill Link: Optimized MP0/1 TR Build 
For cyclone to be most efficient, get ChC to be higher then 42% (native CC & TR Bonus %ChC ) 
Just drop me a message here in you need more info

Complete TR Guide from US Monk Forum : Complete TR Guide 1.07 from Druin
Sample:


Wave Of Light
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#UeX!b!b.Y
Requirement: spirit regen of 10 buffed
Characteristics: Exalted soul to store excessive spirit generated from Fist of fury buffed by Infuse with Light, which used to drop WoL
Iconic LYN Member: yuhhaur the Nirvana Bells
Guide from Main Forum: [Synergy/Build Guide] Nirvana
Sample:


Cyclones Strike
Requirement:
Characteristics: You vacuum mobs to you
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Ninja Dodge
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk...3;dW!Z...Yc
Requirement: high Dex
Characteristics: Have you seen the Matrix brows.gif
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Combo Strike
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#abU!g!acZ
Requirement: You need to keep an eye on the buffs
Characteristics: high buffed dps
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The Followers of YTar

No Nickname Battle Tag Profile Main skill focus
1 yuhhaur *yuhhaur#1278 I'm the one with everything!
2 Sabenarian SabenarianX#6876 FoT + EP
3 Ahlok SU3DE#6935 FoT + Cyclones + EP
4 dreaming *bsl#6386 standard cookies cutter
5 Quazacolt Quazacolt#1116 SW/MoC cookie cutter
6 present me *vicson#6535 FoT -SW -CYCONE STRIKE -BLINDING FLASH -MANTRA (OWE)-SERENITY
7 CyborgR *KongEng#6236 FoT + SW + Bell
8 tarvalslain87 Lanfear#6407 TR / Cookie Cutter / Bell
9 Gladfly *StudioT#6544 FoT + SW cookie cutter cause I love WKL too much
10 samuraislash *samuraislash#1594 quikening + wol + sw
11 Cowithgun *cowithgun#6484 FoT+SW and BlindingFlash+MOC+WoL
12 DannyBoi NightBane#2103 FOT/SW/Bell
13 Eywh77 *Eywh77#1272 FoT + SW + EP
14 Fe3doe *fe3doe#6358 Cookie cutter/TR+Bell
15 waklu *waklu#6726 Master of TR+Bell
16 gnuix gnuix#6401 FoT + SW + Cyclone
17 spacejimmy *JIMMYCHAN#1561 FoT + Bell


Note: * indicate PL100
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Updates on Monk
V 1.0.8 - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/9647272/pa...w-live-5-7-2013 :
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The Love and Hate of Inna Set
1. Inna temperance - can definitely go for a decent good. Best is VIT roll, follow by AR, then single resist. The rest is as good as a brimstone when you move up the dps mark. This item is the BIS in monk - more than 90% of the monk community are using it. You would want to have a 8%IAS in a TR set for spirit preservation, or a 9%IAS in full dps build for the extra APS.

2. Inna radiance - A good inna radiance can last you till you find a CC%mempo. You can consider to invest.

the above two are sufficient to make up for the inna set bonus.

3. inna belt - the power of inna belt lies in the %elemental damage. In order to benefit from it you are better to use a black weapon (weapon with no lightning/holy/fire/cold/poison damage), a Witching hour will beat it.

4. inna vast expenses - this chest armor packs with high ehp from its Life% & VIT. there are other choices here:
--- BoA crafting
--- IK chest comes with high armor
--- BT chest with good VIT+AR
--- Tal with IAS%

The downside is that inna set are all without native AR roll.

Life On Hit (LoH) VS Lifestealing (LS)

QUOTE(cowithgun @ Sep 7 2012, 12:24 PM)
lets assume you get average 75k damage, 3% LS will give you 2.25k * 20% = 450 life. that is less than what you will get from 300 LoH on multiple mobs if you use FoT. but if you have plan to push for higher DPS, LS is probably better in long run. at least you will get LS from both hit and Sweeping wind.

however, that is just in theory.  blush.gif may be people that have tested it before can share their experience.
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IINM LS has no multiple mob co-efficient scaling, which means that if you're hitting multiple mobs, your life stealing value goes up exponentially while LoH has that issue as you mentioned

assuming what i said is correct:
- with 3% LS
if you deal 100k dmg. and you hit 5 mobs, that's 500k dmg = 15k *20% = 3000 life per hit on 100k x5 mobs)

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oh ya, not to mention skills also having a modifier:


reviewing this video just to refresh some of the facts in my head lol

krip even did a math summary:
to equate 3% ls against 847 LoH, you need to do 113k dmg (per hit obviously)

then again, i am doing 100-200k dmg crits, and my 7ss does like 400-500k crits rofl. (if all 7 strikes crit, at max dmg, thats 3.5mil dmg mind you, can pretty much halfen cydea's hp pretty damn easily)

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from here:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978370136?page=2#24

the co-efficient is already calculated on per spell basis (huge aoe spells get less for example)
while LS does not have such co-efficient. so if you're doing really f***ing crazy dmg, LS is the way to go smile.gif




" Black Weapons "

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The "+x% Elemental Damage" affix works by adding "x%" of your physical damage to your attack, in the form of the damage type listed.

So, really basic example:
Your physical damage is 100, and the item adds +3% Fire damage.
You gain 3 extra damage to your attacks as Fire damage.


Things this takes into account:
Rings, mojos, orbs (etc) that have an "X-Y" damage affix (e.g. "1-2 Damage")
The base damage range of your weapon, before any elemental damage is added from the affix
+Min or +Max affixes on weapons

(Note: It doesn't benefit from "+X-Y Elemental Damage" affixes on weapons.)

We realize the current wording for this affix can be confusing, and it's something we'd like to make more clear in the future. If you have any suggestions for how this affix could be better worded, we're definitely interested in your suggestions. Just keep in mind that space is limited in item tooltips, and that whatever we use would need to be translated into all of our supported languages.


official sources:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6413025317#13

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6413025317?page=6#101

while i still can't get official math wiz and what not, i think we *SHOULD* be able to trust blue posts although blue has not replied on the inquiry as per the 2nd link/post.

tldr: elemental weapon sucks



Damage reduction formula/calculation

variables:
raw damage = 10000
melee reduction = 30%
Armor reduction = 70%
AllRe reduction = 50%

example calculations:
10000 - 3000 (30% reduction as melee)=7000
7000 - 70% = 2100 - 50% = 1050
7000 - 50% = 3500 - 70% = 1050

reshuffle the melee 30% to the last:
10000 - 30% = 3000 - 50% = 1500 - 30% = 1050

proof that multiplicative formula takes no effect from its formula order smile.gif

further links/references:
https://www.google.com.my/search?q=diablo+3...chrome&ie=UTF-8

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4735894322

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/...uction-interact

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/114567...-Stat-Mechanics
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Gameplay

"How to kill inferno Ghom" videos:

Quazacolt
http://livestre.am/40JFh

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Holy cowithgun's guide to play a monk
QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 17 2013, 11:03 AM)
You should really come back! You are missing a lot of fun stuff. There's a couple of things you should try:

Objective 1 - Try TR/Bell build (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7199912895) or ask our in-house TR master waklu

1. Get yourself a LS Skorn with dex and LS. Can get as low as a few millions.
2. Get Stone of Jordan (SOJ) with 2 spirit regeneration or more, if can, get with additional Bell damage. Trick to search for this in AH:
- Look for armor, dont set to Ring. Just any armor.
- Spirit regeneration = 2
- Damage vs Elite = 25%
- Check each SOJ for Increased Crit Change for Wave of Light... Just checked awhile ago, can get in 10mil.
- If budget problem, just get high Damage vs Elite (>29%) with anything else. Can get in 2 mil.
3. Get 4 Inna set; Randiance, Tempest, Vast, Belt for sweeping wind bonus. These are cheap, except Vast and Tempest that may cost a bit more.
4. You are good to go! Depending on you DPS, you probably can farm up to MP8. Farming MP5 is OK.

Objective 2 - Farm as many Demonic Essence as possible
1. Have fun with the mobility and ability to kill Elite fast!
2. Try Vault of the Assassin (VOTA) Act 2 for fast DE farming
3. Get like 1000 DE!

Objective 3 - Crafting
1. The most powerful gear in the game now is crafted item
2. You need to craft in sequence:
- Shoulder
- Bracer
- Gloves
- Amulet
3. Within 1000 de, you should be able to craft pretty decent top end gear! (No guaranty, just me personal experience)

Objective 4 - Upgrade your other gears
1. Now that you have those 4 decent crafts, use the rest of the gold to upgrade your Weapon, rings, etc

Side quest - Uber
1. Add a few monks/barbarian in first page, join the Uber
2. Craft a Hellfire ring!

If you share your profile, may be we can give some specific advise on which piece that need urgent upgrade...
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LemoNT hardware lag fix
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2401493
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Holy cowithgun's guide to gear a monk.

QUOTE(cowithgun @ Sep 7 2013, 02:12 PM)

I'll start with some stuff that pop into my head after seeing a few new/returning monks:

1. Find the best MP that suitable for your DPS/EHP and LS.
- Calculate XP/drops gain over time
- Take fun factor into consideration
- CuteCow 276k unbuff DPS, best in MP8 with Ruby and Hellfire... it's also most fun.
2. Slowly aim towards MP10, that is the goal. You'll need this baseline:
- 250k unbuff DPS... lower also ok, but may not be efficient
- 500k EHP (d3up.com) with dual Life steal
- 550k EHP with single >2.8 LS
- Lower also can, just may kite more and again, lost in term of efficiency
- To get 500k EHP, you may need around 5k armor, 500 resist all, 50k HP.

Gearing towards MP10!

1. Craft! You need a lot of DE! 1000!
- Craft Bracer. Easiest to get BIS. Aim to get 6cc, AR, Vit.
- Craft Shoulder. Second easiest. Aim to get high Vit with Life%, AR.
- Craft Gloves - Harder, but try to aim for Tri-fecta
- Craft Amulet - Second hardest - try to aim Tri-fecta
- I dont recommend crafting Chest, not easy to get 3 socket and lots of Vit. Moreover, you may need Inna Vast to go with Inna Helm for the bonus.

2. Helm - Best choice - Mempo with 6cc if gold no issue. Otherwise, Inna Radiance with high Dex, high Vit, resist, and 6cc.

3. Chest - Inna vast/ Tal Rasha for 8/9% IAS. 8% IAS Tal Rasha with high Vit is actually quite affordable.

4. Belt - The Witching Hour - high Dex, high crit dmg, vit, resist, if got Life%, even better. Lower end, get low Dex, but still with high crit dmg could give you about same DPS, but a lot cheaper.

5. Pant - Inna Temperance - Best pant in game. Aim for high Vit / dex. Otherwise, lower end can get in less than 1mil.

6. For DW, nothing beats Nat Ring + Nat Boot. Gives you 7% more CC.
- Nat boot, if $ no issue, get high Dex > 250 dex + vit. Lower end, forget the vit. it's a lot cheaper.
- Nat ring, best stat that gold can buy biggrin.gif Lower end, whatever that fit your budget. biggrin.gif

8. Weapons - for cost conscious, get high Echoing Fury with Crit Dmg and socket. Sometimes, double dex also just as good.
- Otherwise, get both Dex, LS, socket, crit dmg.
- BOTH MUST HAVE SOCKET. At least one must have Life steal.
- Avoid getting defense stat in weapon... like vit. weapons deal damage... get highest dmg u can afford.

Best gear need a lot of gold... but I dont recommend spending a lot of gold right now, especially new iLvl gear will make yours obsolete.

My FastCow got 200k DPS and 600k EHP at around 150mil back then. Just for comparison purpose. biggrin.gif
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Masta gladfly's guide to gear a monk
QUOTE(gladfly @ Sep 7 2013, 04:46 PM)
OK. I will contribute as well.

I'll start with a starter monk (all rounder). 100k DPS on a budget.

Essentially a mp5-6 capable monk. Ingredients:-

1. One cupful of OWE Passive - stack an elemental resist on your gears. Try looking at Arcane, cold, lightning (these tend to be cheaper), physical , fire and poison seems more expensive. Generally what you want is to push you AR to 500 or so.

2. A handful of STI passive- This boosts your Armor. Nuff said

3. Add a dash of highest DPS weapons with the  highest attack speed. The reason for IAS increase is Monk can only generate spirit from hitting mobs so the faster you hit the faster you generate spirit.

4. Mix the weapons in a bowl with Socket, Crit Hit Damage and LoH. Try looking for as much LoH as possible as sub 100k dps, LoH is much more effective. Then combine the bowl mixture with ingredient 1,2 and 3.

5. Put the mixture into a cookie tray and use a cookie cutter as mold. Cookie cutter - FoT (Thunderclap), Breath of Heaven (Blazing wrath) Mantra of conviction (Overraw), Blind (Faith in the Light), Serenity (Ascension) and Sweeping Wind (Cyclone).

6. Bake it ingredients with minimum 35% Crit Chance, 25% Attack Speed and 300% Crit Damage for MP1. For faster baking time, use a ruby for +exp and a Hellfire Ring.

7. To garnish,  put  minimum 2300 dex, 1000 Vit and 12% Movement speed as sides.

Serve while Hot!!
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dreaming that shop ah..me and cow went different place to try one..but not in Malaysia...

Trust me..fire res of 1M also EHP tarak cukup. I still remember the after effect next day in toilet..
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