Hi expert, is it true that nowadays new car are not equiped with autolock feature (car lock when step on brake pedal)? was told by car sales person that this is safety regulation.

yes, is our Malaysia regulation.
To prevent you locked inside your car in accident event in this most safest country!

u trust salesman???

its optional

Yes new cars don't have auto lock anymore.
Unless you be the bomba president of m'sia and announced to recall for install for free to install like the safety belt. For who bought from year 2012.



This post has been edited by kimsim: Jul 25 2013, 03:44 PM

peugeot 408 has speed sensitive auto lock.

maybe the locals don't?

myvi SE 2012 has this feature standard what...

Opps you win!!!

Auto lock door is now not allowed for safety reasons

But car manufacture can provide auto auto lock feature if and only if they put impact sensing door unlock

Proton have :

ECE Regulations

which model of proton?

u dont argue with god car brand

New Toyota
New Perodua
New Mazda
New Ford
New Suzuki
etc. etc. etc.

Sume tade

You are right, now snatch thief no need to dangerously to break in the window to steal jor. They can openly open your door and take your bag/handbag when you waiting in the traffic. You can save as no need to fixed your window and have new window tint anymore. You save more no need to fixed. Nice ler.
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If anyone can't detect above paragraph is a sarcasm, please have a check with a doctor.

All new car no longer have the auto lock function, those VW, Nissan, Toyota, Honda... all don't have such feature anymore, local brand maybe still got.

malaysia regulation??? wah..when everyone is going forward, we malaysia goes backwards..superb!!

BTW..give me one example how autolock is such a big problem that it need to be removed from being standard issue?

bomba say de wor..later car crash serious accident
bomba wan remove door also susah if auto lock feature there

this bomba is stupid but who go and listen to them? the JPJ also equally stupid.

Already said car accident..of cause hard to open. Even when without lock it will be hard to open. Does that means we need to leave our doors unlock even when we are driving? We can still manually lock them and what difference does it make? Why these people so stupid? So with this autolock removed, bomba is pushing the problems to police. Now..police will have problems with increased car related robberies and theft. Push the problems to who?

Think logically, if u manually lock the door, it would actomatically unlock when u meet accident, mind u if it ever occur that might just save ur live (as every second count during emergency) just practice to lock the door after u get into the car like how u fastern seat belt, no fruss.

Police & Bomba r just giving a safety advise, Cursing Bomba or Police doesn't help isn't it ?

Bukan bomba/jpj. Its ECE regulations.

You can put autolock feature IF you have BCM impact sensing auto door unlock.

And Proton do have this in their Preve. Preve was built to comply global safety standard in mind.

http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/d...SP-51-07r1e.pdf

Not malaysia dey, it global standard.

So those new car has to comply ECE standard, since they lacking BCM to sense impact to unlock the door.

Proton Preve have autolock and impact sensing auto unlock.

Any proton model that have Body Control Module (BCM) such as exora and preve

its easy to install autolock outside if doesnt comes as stended ...btw accident lock or no lock does make differences ??

Eh, who say new car dont have autolock? VW got.. But then if crash it will auto unlock

Test driven Mazda 6 2.5 the other day and it doesn't have autolock (be it speed sensing or brake pressing)

this is a worldwide thing not only in malaysia...who got time to open your door take your bag and leave when smashing the window is a faster way? what a dumbass

It makes a difference. Modern cars are designed in a way that you should be able to open the doors without much force. That AFAIK goes into the NCAP ratings.

You can only have that feature if the car unlocks itself. And IMHO that makes sense.

To be honest I don't understand what the problem is. When the airbags are deployed send a signal to the central locking to open the doors. Deployed airbags are a clear signal that there was an accident.

The whole point of banning autolock in non-BCM cars is rendered moot the moment the driver enters the car and manually locks the door.

Does the regulating bodies think that all the owners will never lock their doors if it was not done automatically?

It's like if a victim dies due to rescuers were unable to unlock his car, those organizations and carmakers can go




This post has been edited by dares: Jul 25 2013, 07:43 PM

i know its global standard, but does it suit to our country?
we all know that all people will manual lock the car when your car dont come with auto lock right?

there are a lot of global standard, like 4 or 6 airbags in any car, this should be a better regulation to implement here instead of disable auto lock...

JPJ might pick several regulation from UNECE which can be implemented. If JPJ do not enforce it, car manufacturer does not even have to follow it.

For example the UN R94 and R95 for frontal collision is one of JPJ regulation but not enforce due to car manufacturer not ready to do it. If it is enforce, most import cars here are not comply to this regulation to begin with.

All the new cars which started manufactured in2009 onwards, all the cars will not have the auto lock features, even local distributor want to add-on on their own also is almost impossible due to newer car rely too much on the ECU even the brake light, front light.... is connected to the ECU OBD2, and this is also the reason newer car no longer can simply modify the auto lock into the car, like those Pronton Waja, Myvi....., the only way is buy the OBD2 speed sensing auto lock which is connect to the OBD2 socket, inside lowyat forum also got people selling.

autolock or not doesnt affect me much, cuz i got always lock the doors immediately after entering the car.....takut kena rob =.=

Nais

really?

woah such regulations, malaysia would be quick to adopt.. because it cut costs for manufacturers. ESP / 6 airbag standard dont want to adopt , cost problem bla bla

exactly like banning plastic bags but not providing paper bags.. malaysian consumers always at a loss

Yes for most modern car.

Jurassic P1 not sure. :-)

There r plenty of car with 6 airbags & ESP, u just need to 'pay' for it, it's a case of demand & supply, when consumer willing to pay for it, supplier will supplies accordingly.

U suppose to use recycle bag or basket, if cutting plastic bag then chop more trees to made paper bags, what's the point ? We r talking about taking care of the environment here.

For P1 only Preve and Exora.

Not really, look at Vios vs Fiesta Sedan. Almost the same price, but worlds apart in terms of safety equipment. If the consumers tell Toyota they want 6 airbags and ESP, Toyota will prolly answer "CAN! pay RM20k more."

agree, 1st world problem. no auto-lock? lock it yourself lar. what so hard? i dont see ppl complain in the 80s on car without alarm or central locking?

that is why, u can have the choice not to buy that crappy vios. plenty of choices out there. you know Vios is a money sucking model. why still buy?

car lock when pressed on pedal is kinda cheap lock which those local cars install at shop acc last time.
auto locked when reached 20km/h is better.

still driving old camry and so far no problem.. been like you before, never think of quality of a product, simply choose korean car , a kia forte because fitted in with many accessories. at the end, sold of the car also. Korean cars with many accessories, its more like a display rather than its really functional. will never buy korean cars again. wasted my money and time keep sending to SC. Send to SC = time, sold off = money

Since Fiesta & Cerato giving 6-7 air bags just buy those car, why so fruss over Vios doesn't provide ? almost all the member here highly praise Cerato, so just buy it, why bother what Toyota giving ? like do I care if China car failed euro ncap ? not buying them.

Offcoz deep inside everybody still love Toyota, KIA/NAZA doesn't give much glamour isn't it, that why Vios outsell Forte by 4-5 folds despite lower specs. lol....

Can u ask Developer to sell u a fully furnished 1500sq ft condo in Mt Kiara at RM 250K ? or 5 stars hotel to sell their food at hawker stall price ? They would ask u to fly wau bulan isn't it ?

No need to pay more. Elsewhere the Toyota models are equipped with ESP and 6 airbags at no premium, and they cost as much as their continental competitors. It is just that Toyota wants to make more profit.

Either I misunderstood Jolokia or you guys misunderstood me. My point is more along the lines of what Kadajawi posted below....Jolokia said we will get safer cars as long as we are willing to pay, my question was: why do we have to pay more for safety? when elsewhere in the world the cars they buy get similar levels of safety with cars in their respective price brackets.

In the context of Malaysia, every car sold RM80k or more should get 6 airbags and ESP.

This post has been edited by dares: Jul 26 2013, 12:39 PM

Those "elsewhere" also charge u RM 4-6 for a liter of gasoline, a simple lunch at RM 50, monthly water bill at RM 500, their people should tembak their govt for not following Malaysia fuel price, food price, electric & water bill.
It's is not because thing r expensive, it's because u r poor, why u see so many Benz, BMW, Audi surrounding u ?
Car r base on brand, house r base pn location, do u compare house in TTDI to Semenyih ? or JB with Singapore ?? U can build a bungalows in kampong with 500K but with the same money u can't even afford a 1500sq ft condo in KL.

Why are we talking about Benz, BMW, Audi? I'm talking about safe cars, not luxury cars. You don't have to buy a luxury car to have 6 airbags + ESP, at least you shouldn't have to.

I'm asking if Koreans and Ford can offer much more safety at a relatively cheap price, IN MALAYSIA, why can't everyone else? Clearly it can be done and still be profitable, right? Why are we still getting 2 airbags without ESP inside the RM90k price range? Why should we pay more if it can be done cheaper?

It has absolutely nothing to do with gasoline price, lunch money or water bill. Those fckers are reaping huge profit margins at our expense.

This post has been edited by dares: Jul 26 2013, 01:21 PM

You don't understand it. It has nothing to do with the price of gas, lunch, water, housing, ... dares is right.

You see, in Europe, 10000 Euro will get you a Fiesta with 7 airbags and ESP. A 208 with 6 airbags and ESP. A Toyota Yaris with 6 or 7 airbags and ESP. A Jazz, again 6-7 airbags and ESP. A Nissan March/Micra with 6 or 7 airbags and ESP. Heck, a Daihatsu Sirion (Myvi) with 6 airbags and ESP. Taxes are the same for all cars.
In Malaysia RM 70-90k will get you a Fiesta and 208 or Rio with 6-7 airbags and ESP. But the Vios, Jazz/City and Almera will have to do with 1 or 2 airbags and usually no ESP.

Why can some brands offer their cars with all the safety features (plus other gadgets) for less than 90k, while other brands claim to be unable to do so? Do you think continental brands get lower taxes? Or what could be the reason?

There is simply no excuse why brands like Toyota, Honda and Nissan can't offer the full set of safety features that has been standard elsewhere for ages. The only reason why they do that is that they can earn more profits by omitting those features, since people will buy those cars anyway.

Yes that what said buy KIA buy Ford, ignore Toyota, if u still insist Toyota pay more.
same as if u wanna live in mt kiara pay more or live in smaller unit, or else moved to cheaper area & get bigger unit.

How can they ripped u off when u dont buy their products ? is Vios the only car available on Malaysia ? u have plenty of choice, or u been forced to signed a contract only buying Toyota brand ?
End of the day u still want that Toyota badge right ? lol... Koreans car the best konon....

Just saying more money doesn't necessarily = more safety....or more safety doesn't necessarily = more money, that's all

So.. all of the discussion...
derail far from original ts topic...huhuhuuuuu

pay for it? as if we're not paying enough?? go look at other countries, when it is standard requirements , carmakers would have to make them standard. thats all.

U can't expect everything to be cheap isn't it ? cheap petrol, cheap insurance, cheap labour, sure expansive car price lah !
In those elsewhere country, cheap car, expansive petrol, expansive insurance, expansive parking, expansive labour, so back to same thing.
If any of u living in those countries before surely know what i mean, u may get a cheap car but end up paying through ur nose maintaining it.
Even our south east asia neighbours do not require 6 air bags as standard features, offcoz u can alway choose what u like, base on your affordability.

Why waste time asking Toyota to oblige to these rule, just buy Cerato & Fiesta lah ! Why ? still dream of Toyota leh.....lol... thats why Toyota alway No. 1 loh.

Pakai KIA tak glamour leh...Rofl..

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jul 26 2013, 05:35 PM

VW has auto lock but only from outside to inside. Means any doors can still be open able from inside.

support you all the way!

I wouldn't want a Toyota even if it had EU spec. I'd rather buy a Korean car. I'm just saying that Toyota wouldn't have to increase the price. They could easily give decent safety equipment for all trim levels and still earn well. Safety isn't so expensive. It is just that they want to make profit, and customers are happy to pay way too much for the cars.

I dun understand, if the doors it can unlock automatically during an accident if it was locked manually, it means that the sensors and what not were already in place. then whats stopping it from unlocking automatically if it was on autolock??

I am no automotive specialist, that's what I read.from internet & magazine, surely there are reason behind it, it's no a few manufacturer but most manufacturer do not fit autolock anymore, those who fitted it would need to ensure the door will release in case accident, I guess most doesn't wanna get into trouble paying hefty compensation in case autolock.
As I said just practise the habit of locking the door manually like putting on seatbelts.

you are right. the litigation avoidance is a very good point.

is it so difficult to move the now "smooth touch" of a locking switch which is within reaching distance at the doors?
older cars door locking mechanism was push and pull at the end part of the door..
now most cars is having it near the door opening lever which is within reaching distance
just because some smart guy or girl created the "auto lock/auto speed sensing lock/etc etc" thingy to make it "easier or convenient" for us doesn't mean every car should have it unless the manufacturer wants it to be incorporated in their cars, don't be lazy, just move a bit to lock or unlock the car doors...
anyhow it depends on humans...other people in other countries wouldnt really bother about having this auto lock thingy, they are more concern with fuel economy and eco-friendly vehicles.....it's a matter of being discipline to either flip the door lock...

This post has been edited by Jinster: Jul 29 2013, 09:54 AM

To lock the car as soon as you enter the car should be cultivated by all drivers, especially the ladies. With kidnapping, robberies and snatch thieves so rampant in Malaysian car parks and at traffic light, locking the doors is a must! I always lock the car door as soon as I enter my car, even my car has speed sensing auto lock feature. Bad guys can get into your car even before you start the car !

But HAVING auto lock will be an ADDED security to help make sure you don't forget (people do forget once in a while, especially when age is catching up). Double security is what I am after (triple if I can). Never leave anything to chances if one can plan, take measures and minimize mishap from happening.

Another possible scenario is you remember to lock the car door as soon as you enter your car as always and drive off. Then you have to stop the car to pick up some passenger(s), door unlock, passenger(s) got in and you drive off again, forgetting to lock the car this time and at a traffic light you become the victim of a snatch and run motorbike robbery.

Or another member of your family who seldom drives, one day he/she needs to do some chores and drives your car which has NO auto lock feature, and he/she will be exposed to the dangers looming on the streets/in the car parks. I think no one would want to see anything untoward happen to their love ones.

In the last two or three years, there have been a lot more car hijacks/kidnapping/traffic light snatch robberies in Malaysia, could it because the auto door lock feature has been taken out as standard feature ? And the bad guys are taking advantage of this !!

Auto lock is not an expensive fixture, much much cheaper than the useless sunroof, body kit, 17/18" rims, BUT much much more IMPORTANT to every occupant/driver of a vehicle, in my opinion.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 12:35 PM

The removal of autolock was done around Sept 2012. Previously autolock was installed on many cars.

Then how come my son's Mazda3 year 2011 is without auto lock ?

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 12:38 PM

Could it be the law was officially implemented in Sept1012, but directive to take out auto lock was given much earlier. Car manufacturers/distributors are only too happy to oblige to take out the feature as it saves cost, which means more profit. See how they drag their feet and give all sort of excuses and apply for exemption when asked to comply with the minimum airbags/ESP requirements.

Could be. I remember that in LYN MYVi group this issue came out around Sept 2012. Ppl were complaining why their new cars don't have autolock whereas last month's cars came with autolock.

mazda cars originally don't have auto lock in the first place..

auto lock got pros and cons..
it's good when it's good.. (safety purposes)
it's bad when it's bad.. (accident cannot unlock, a child was left behind in the car; cannot open due to autolock - i know a 5 year old may be able to open back but what if it's a baby)

if ur car got no autolock, be responsible and remember to use it manually..
if ur car has autolock, be responsible and well aware of it when it is in operation

This post has been edited by Jinster: Jul 29 2013, 12:54 PM

I don't think it saves them cost. Look at the Forbes article + video I've posted recently about hacking a car. With access to the onboard computer you can do pretty much everything, including pulling on the seatbelt, fully pressing the clutch, deactivating or activating the brakes, jerk around the steering wheel, change the speedometer or any other display... Auto lock is just an easy software feature. Auto unlock should be very easy too, so it is probably what jolokia said, they want to avoid being sued.

If you MANUALLY locked the door, rescuers also CANNOT open the door from outside in an accident. Usually when a car has speed sensing auto lock, it will has auto UNLOCK during an accident (either activated by impact sensor or when airbags being deployed, some says when engine stopped)

One should not leave one's child ALONE in the car in the first place. Furthermore no parent should leave a child in an UNLOCK car and go off to do his/her chores, the child may be kidnapped. The auto lock feature I am referring to is the speed sensing type, not the elapsed time like some car models which automatically lock all door if left unattended(even with the keys in the ignition!), I got caught once with my company's car at a petrol station during refueling. Real embarrassing

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 01:13 PM

If you MANUALLY locked the door, rescuers also CANNOT open the door from outside in an accident.

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i think they should ban car door lock. Problem solved.

From the manufacturers/distributors of cars standpoint, most of them would rather NOT take the risk of being sued by providing auto lock feature which the legislative has issued a directive not to be installed. Unless they can at the same installed auto UNLOCK during an accident. But they are still subjected to legal suits in the event the auto UNLOCK feature failed in an accident.

Sad, because it's a lose-lose situation. Consumers lost (less protection), manufacturers lost (risk of being sued)

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 01:38 PM

PERFECT SOLUTION: Lower Cost and better rescue Efficiency.

As old Chinese saying: Don't eat then you won't burp loh !

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 01:39 PM

Think I am going to skip my lunch, going to save me money and time, won't burp and lose weight. All the benefits !

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 01:49 PM

No worry for me. Nobody will be interested in hacking my cars. Not enough enemies, not enough assets to be hijacked/kidnapped or murdered by wife/children for inheritance.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 01:48 PM

Aiyoyo ! Already said the door will automatically unlock when the car meet accident, installing autolock "may" disable this features.

Just use finger powered automatically lock your door once you in the car lah ! Can Exercise your finger, improve your memory & Go Green

auto unlock failed...

A 55-year-old businessman from Rohini was charred to death in the old Dwarka underpass near IGI Airport after his car allegedly caught fire. The victim, Pawan Gupta, could not come out of the car due to technical failure. Gupta was going towards his residence in the wee hours of Sunday when his WagonR car caught fire, police said. The police are yet to ascertain the reason behind the incident.
The doors of the car were locked due to some technical problem and Gupta couldn’t come out of the vehicle in time. Police broke the glass of his car to take out his body.
“Forensic experts are carrying out investigation to find out the actual cause of fire,” said a police official and added it is suspected that a technical problem in the AC or a spark in the car might have led to the fire.
“We came to know about the incident around noon after the police informed my uncle, as the car was registered in his name. We are awaiting the post-mortem report,” said Ankush, Gupta’s son.
Gupta, a marble trader, owned a factory in Mangolpuri. He was returning to his residence from the airport, where he had gone to receive his friend’s son, who was coming from Germany. “But Gupta did not meet his friend’s son and was returning alone when the accident took place,” police said.
Police statistics showed that fire incidents inside cars are triggered by fuel leak in the engine bay, coupled with short-circuit. Sometimes a crack near the engine or battery of the car may cause fire.

Also for in the event you find yourself kidnapped in your own car.

Guys, if there is no Auto-Lock, if the driver locks his car door manually, all the doors will still lock together right, so long as there is central locking right. This should not be an issue right.

According to AW, for cars to have auto-lock, the cars must also have auto-unlock.

This is the feature that is not in the Jazz Petrol CKD which is in the CBU says AW.

Auto lock feature DOES NOT PREVENT occupants inside the car from unlocking the door (unless malfunction like katijar's story above). It only prevent intruder from opening the door from outside the car. So if you in the event were kidnapped and left inside your own car, you still can escape by just opening the door, provided you were not tied up like a rice dumpling (ketupat).

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 03:52 PM

May be the fire or electronic short circuit made the auto UNLOCK function failed (whether the car had auto LOCK feature-unknown).

Motto of the day, leave your car door unlock at all time to prevent locking yourselves inside the car when "shit things" happened. Or lock your car at all times to prevent "shit things" from happening. May be an actuary will be able to calculate the odds.

Your own safety, your own decision. No one should decide for you.



This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 04:08 PM

Are all the new cars sold in Malaysia nowadays come with AUTO UNLOCK safety feature in an accident, including Kancil, Vva, Proton Saga etc ? Can someone please enlighten all the forumers. Thank you.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 04:15 PM

I suppose this ban on auto locking is coming from Europe, where the risk of being hijacked is lower.

I remember I read somewhere in the Focus forum in US while searching to find out why Ford Focus in Malaysia do not have speed sensing auto lock function(applicable to external only), the US models have the option for user to program whether to activate the auto lock feature or turn it off.

Your safety, you decide motto.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 04:41 PM

Use my elbow to autolock

Haha that what I do in those day when I drive Iswara, so used to it that I am doing the same thing when I change car, only to find out new car doesn't have knob there. Lol....

Same here. In those days, it is called elbow-matic door lock !

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 04:52 PM

So all the argument here doesn't apply to me, because it doesnt actually affect me

It doesn't affect you because the bad guys dare not rob you, you look BADDER than them(calf size forearm with tattoos all over resting on the door sills), I guess.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Jul 29 2013, 05:02 PM

I dont keep my valuables in plain sight

Sometimes even if you keep your valuables like handbag/money bag out of sight, the experienced assailants will still be able to spot them by stalking you before the robbery. The girl friend of a friend was robbed at a traffic light, the robbers just opened the passenger door and grabbed her handbag she kept under the passenger seat and sped off.

Ooo no wonder new car no auto lock

Can install OBD chipset under the steering but when kids open it manually you can kick brake to lock it or door open will have double signal for Honda car. Emergency break will auto unlock. Other model I dont know.

manual car lock will auto unlock during accident? Got such feature? How come auto lock cannot unlock during accident? I don't get the point?

Lel the salesman bullshit you?

My Iriz bought in 2015 got speed based auto lock. I don't need to press brake. Just drive above 20km/h and it will auto lock.

King Myvi still using brake paddle auta auto lock? Lel.

Lol... dont simply mislead ppl... only cheapskate manufacturers like toyota honda dont provide auto lock, because they dont want add additional sensor to auto unlock when accident happens...

All conti car still have auto lock features in Msia

This post has been edited by freeman1: Apr 16 2021, 10:39 PM

Kesian buy expensive Jepunis overlord car, but got no auto lock.

People just open the door and hijack.



This post has been edited by JohnL77: Apr 16 2021, 10:50 PM